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Ivanisevic offered Davis Cup spot!

In_Disguise
09-28-2005, 01:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4284018.stm


Croatia captain Niki Pilic wants former Wimbledon champion Goran Ivanisevic in his squad for the Davis Cup final.
Pilic originally suggested the 34-year-old play off against Sasa Tuksar for the fourth place in the team to face Slovakia in December.

But he explained: "Perhaps it was a bit careless and taken out of context. Obviously the position is Ivanisevic's if he wants it."

Ivanisevic retired in 2003 but has been playing on the senior tour.

"He is the golden boy of Croatian sport and Croatian tennis and there is no ambiguity about his nomination," said Pilic.

Ivanisevic was on the sidelines as assistant coach as Croatia reached the final for the first time in their history with victory over Russia.

Even if he is included in Croatia's playing squad, Ivanisevic has a slim chance of actually playing.

Ivan Ljubicic and Mario Ancic have played both singles and doubles for Croatia throughout this year, with Ivo Karlovic first reserve.

Meanwhile, hosts Slovakia remain hopeful that they can stage the final at their National Tennis Centre in Bratislava.

The venue seats just 4,000, the minimum allowed under Davis Cup regulations.

By contrast, Spain won last year's title in front of 27,000 spectators, the largest-ever crowd to attend an official tennis competition.

The International Tennis Federation will inspect the stadium but it remains possible the final could be moved to an ice hockey venue, with an 8,000 capacity.

"It's possible that we will have to play someplace else," said Slovak number one Dominik Hrbaty.

"But we'd like to play in the NTC, we know it well there and we feel good there."

Scotso
09-28-2005, 01:54 PM
Sasa :sad:

Sugar Kane
09-28-2005, 02:00 PM
I'd LOVE to see him play again, great idea :D:D:D:D:D

Experimentee
09-28-2005, 02:11 PM
To be fair, they should play off. A retired player cant just come in and take someones spot without having to prove that he is still useful :(

Scotso
09-28-2005, 02:13 PM
To be fair, they should play off. A retired player cant just come in and take someones spot without having to prove that he is still useful :(

I agree, I don't think it's fair at all.

Margy
09-28-2005, 03:40 PM
To be fair, they should play off. A retired player cant just come in and take someones spot without having to prove that he is still useful :(

You are absolutely right. This is not only unfair to Tuksar but to the other 3 members of the team who will now have their accomplishments overshadowed by the "return of the king". If he comes in for a playoff match and actually earns the spot, that would be different. But just gifting him with it is totally, totally wrong! :(

hitchhiker
09-28-2005, 04:22 PM
open doors into the croatian davis cup team all of a sudden. i assume the croatian president is going to be one of the reserves.

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 04:24 PM
You are absolutely right. This is not only unfair to Tuksar but to the other 3 members of the team who will now have their accomplishments overshadowed by the "return of the king". If he comes in for a playoff match and actually earns the spot, that would be different. But just gifting him with it is totally, totally wrong! :(
Guys, Goran is almost considered a god out there, I tell you !

hitchhiker
09-28-2005, 04:25 PM
last i heard you can bid for the last place on the team on ebay

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 04:27 PM
last i heard you can bid for the last place on the team on ebay
:lol: how do you think Ferrero got his place in Spain DC team ? ;)

s.m.
09-28-2005, 04:34 PM
you are all talking about things that you know nothing about
way off base
talking about unfair, justice, and so on
none of the people involved feels those things, but you all do
ridiculous
croatia davis cup team is united, and will show that in bratislava when they lift that trophy together

hitchhiker
09-28-2005, 04:37 PM
croatia davis cup team is united, and will show that in bratislava when they lift that trophy together

how can they lift the trophy together when karlovic is part of the team?

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 04:40 PM
how can they lift the trophy together when karlovic is part of the team?
BTW doesn't Karlovic count as 2 players ?

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 04:41 PM
how can they lift the trophy together when karlovic is part of the team?

:haha:

hitchhiker
09-28-2005, 04:43 PM
BTW doesn't Karlovic count as 2 players ?

personally i count him as 1/7th of a player. a serve, no forehand, backhand, volley, drop shot, lob or smash.

Margy
09-28-2005, 04:44 PM
you are all talking about things that you know nothing about
way off base
talking about unfair, justice, and so on
none of the people involved feels those things, but you all do
ridiculous
croatia davis cup team is united, and will show that in bratislava when they lift that trophy together

Easy for you to say...You're not the one that just got dumped from the team :lol:

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 05:05 PM
this is a terrible idea, he should not be on the team, this is Ivan and Mario team.just let it go goran.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
09-28-2005, 05:38 PM
Go Goran! :crazy:

Margy
09-28-2005, 06:10 PM
Easy for you to say...You're not the one that just got dumped from the team :lol:

:lol: s.m. bad repped me for this comment. did somebody forget to take their medicine today? :lol:

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 06:13 PM
:lol: s.m. bad repped me for this comment. did somebody forget to take their medicine today? :lol:
:haha: Don't joke with national stuff with Croats, they lose their humor...

PaulieM
09-28-2005, 06:47 PM
i'm glad to see him on the team, though to be fair he should have had to play the playoff match. oh well :shrug:

Adman
09-28-2005, 06:52 PM
To be fair, they should play off. A retired player cant just come in and take someones spot without having to prove that he is still useful :(

I would agree with this statement but I would love to see Goran playing for his country, this might bring out some of his great tennis especially in a Davis Cup final.

Eclectic Goddess
09-28-2005, 07:03 PM
ANOTHER thread about this? *sighs* Although it's the unpopular opinion, I still have to say that I don't see any problem with Goran being on the team. It's a sentimental choice, not a practical one, but that's up to Pilic to deal with. The chances that he'll actually play a live match are slim to none, and it's not as though Tuksar would have gotten to, either. Regardless of who is officially on the team, I'm sure they'll both be there to cheer on their countrymen.

Finally, I will say the same thing that I say when I hear people whistling about a call they didn't like. It's not up to you, so get over it.

Scotso
09-28-2005, 07:15 PM
ANOTHER thread about this? *sighs* Although it's the unpopular opinion, I still have to say that I don't see any problem with Goran being on the team. It's a sentimental choice, not a practical one, but that's up to Pilic to deal with. The chances that he'll actually play a live match are slim to none, and it's not as though Tuksar would have gotten to, either. Regardless of who is officially on the team, I'm sure they'll both be there to cheer on their countrymen.

Finally, I will say the same thing that I say when I hear people whistling about a call they didn't like. It's not up to you, so get over it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I don't think that "get over it" is called for here.

Tuksar may not get to play, but he has earned his place on the team. Goran may be Croatian tennis' star, but he didn't earn this spot. It's not fair to Tuksar to just be booted off for the finals.

s.m.
09-28-2005, 07:31 PM
:lol: s.m. bad repped me for this comment. did somebody forget to take their medicine today? :lol:

:haha: Don't joke with national stuff with Croats, they lose their humor...


it was in the heat off the moment :p

but when we are a little relaxed, here is a story about tuksar ( and his good friend karanusic )
they both played couple weeks ago in kiev, challanger
day before they played, word spread around split that tuksar and karanusic are trowing their matchas and that they will lose to players that are 10 classes above them
and by ranking also
then it snowballed across croatia, and people massivly playced bets against those two clowns
result?
together they won 8 games
4 sets, 2 players, 8 games
labadze is little baby for those two

:devil:

Eclectic Goddess
09-28-2005, 07:33 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I don't think that "get over it" is called for here.

Tuksar may not get to play, but he has earned his place on the team. Goran may be Croatian tennis' star, but he didn't earn this spot. It's not fair to Tuksar to just be booted off for the finals.
You're right, and I withdraw my "get over it". Although everyone has the right to their own feelings and opinions, I just don't understand why people take things like this so personally and can't just let it go.

I'm really not trying to start an arguement, I'm just trying to grasp your position, but how is it that Tuksar earned his spot? By showing up to the last two ties? Tuksar didn't play a match, not even a dead rubber, and Goran was there as well, as an "assistant coach".

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 07:38 PM
Goran just wants to glory, time for him to move on get over it, its Ivan and Mario's time.

croat123
09-28-2005, 07:42 PM
:haha: Don't joke with national stuff with Croats, they lose their humor...
very true :p

Margy
09-28-2005, 07:47 PM
Regardless of who is officially on the team, I'm sure they'll both be there to cheer on their countrymen.

Finally, I will say the same thing that I say when I hear people whistling about a call they didn't like. It's not up to you, so get over it.

At the risk of getting another bad rep from s.m. :angel:

While they both may be there to cheer on the team, the only ones in the official team photos and holding the cup at the presentation will be the 4 official team members and the captain. So if Goran really wants to be a part of this, then he should fight it out on court for the spot or just take a role as an assistant coach (didn't Spain have 3 captains last year?) so he can be there as a non-playing member. He has already had his years in the spotlight. Let the ones who have brought the team this far have their opportunity to shine to take it all the way.

And I know the decision isn't up to me. I really don't have any vested interest in this since neither of the final teams are ones I follow much. Saying that, I think it allows me to look at the situation pretty objectively. And from any perspective of fairness, this decision is wrong. I'm sure that Tuksar is being gracious about losing his spot but how could he be otherwise. We can point out the unfairness here; but if he complains, it's like attacking the national hero. I just feel really bad for him. :hug:

s.m.
09-28-2005, 07:49 PM
Goran just wants to glory, time for him to move on get over it, its Ivan and Mario's time.

you are defending honors of ančić and ljubičić :confused:
ljubičić that carried goranīs picture with wimbledon trophy in his wallet, and who said after win against russia that goran saved him in that tie, because he didnīt feel well on first trainings
but then goran came and gave him advices, in pair with loosening the tight atmosfere
i think ljubičić himself would tell you that you are talkin bullshit
i see that some are in funny spirit with this subject, but some are talking rubbish and provoking

s.m.
09-28-2005, 07:51 PM
At the risk of getting another bad rep from s.m. :angel:


i wanted to give you good, but it says i must spread reputation around before giving it to you again :p

Scotso
09-28-2005, 07:53 PM
You're right, and I withdraw my "get over it". Although everyone has the right to their own feelings and opinions, I just don't understand why people take things like this so personally and can't just let it go.

I'm really not trying to start an arguement, I'm just trying to grasp your position, but how is it that Tuksar earned his spot? By showing up to the last two ties? Tuksar didn't play a match, not even a dead rubber, and Goran was there as well, as an "assistant coach".

Yes, partly by showing up. Ivanisevic wasn't a part of it until the finals... so it kind of shows where his feelings are about the team. If he really believed in them, shouldn't he have been there from the beginning?

Despite the fact that Tuksar hasn't played, he was willing to. He was there to support them and to play if called on. That's the most important thing, isn't it? To be willing?

And his ranking has also earned him this spot.

Scotso
09-28-2005, 07:55 PM
you are defending honors of ančić and ljubičić :confused:
ljubičić that carried goranīs picture with wimbledon trophy in his wallet, and who said after win against russia that goran saved him in that tie, because he didnīt feel well on first trainings

RDucky is a Ljubicic fanatic. He would be unhappy with anyone but Ivan getting any glory or press.

croat123
09-28-2005, 07:58 PM
At the risk of getting another bad rep from s.m. :angel:

While they both may be there to cheer on the team, the only ones in the official team photos and holding the cup at the presentation will be the 4 official team members and the captain. So if Goran really wants to be a part of this, then he should fight it out on court for the spot or just take a role as an assistant coach (didn't Spain have 3 captains last year?) so he can be there as a non-playing member. He has already had his years in the spotlight. Let the ones who have brought the team this far have their opportunity to shine to take it all the way.

And I know the decision isn't up to me. I really don't have any vested interest in this since neither of the final teams are ones I follow much. Saying that, I think it allows me to look at the situation pretty objectively. And from any perspective of fairness, this decision is wrong. I'm sure that Tuksar is being gracious about losing his spot but how could he be otherwise. We can point out the unfairness here; but if he complains, it's like attacking the national hero. I just feel really bad for him. :hug:
so should karanusic be pissed off that sasa is on the team? roko played a match for the team (dead rubber) this year. tuksar hasn't

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 07:58 PM
RDucky is a Ljubicic fanatic. He would be unhappy with anyone but Ivan getting any glory or press.

hey jackass, why dont you find out what going on before you speak on the subject.

Scotso
09-28-2005, 07:59 PM
hey jackass, why dont you find out what going on before you speak on the subject.

There was nothing mean or malicious about my post.

And if you are trying to deny it, both you and I and everyone else know that you would be lying.

croat123
09-28-2005, 07:59 PM
Yes, partly by showing up. Ivanisevic wasn't a part of it until the finals... so it kind of shows where his feelings are about the team. If he really believed in them, shouldn't he have been there from the beginning?

Despite the fact that Tuksar hasn't played, he was willing to. He was there to support them and to play if called on. That's the most important thing, isn't it? To be willing?

And his ranking has also earned him this spot.
goran was at the last two ties as well

Margy
09-28-2005, 08:00 PM
i wanted to give you good, but it says i must spread reputation around before giving it to you again :p

Thanks anyway. :)

And I do understand that Goran is a legend and people would like to see him there. If one of the team members got hurt and they picked him over the next best active player, that would be a great spirit move. But I just really sympathize with Tuskar or, for that matter, any player who gets jerked around for political reasons. I felt the same way last year when Spadea wasn't given a shot at the USA team when he was higher ranked than the players that were being considered. He took it to the media to resolve. But then he wasn't fighting a legend. :D

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 08:00 PM
There was nothing mean or malicious about my post.

And if you are trying to deny it, both you and I and everyone else know that you would be lying.

right.....im still saying, dont talked about something you dont know.

Scotso
09-28-2005, 08:02 PM
right.....im still saying, dont talked about something you dont know.

What exactly is it that I'm "talked" about that I don't know?

s.m.
09-28-2005, 08:03 PM
RDucky is a Ljubicic fanatic. He would be unhappy with anyone but Ivan getting any glory or press.

ljubičić is getting all the glory, and nothing will change that
i mean 9 victorys :worship:
he is carrying croatia on his back in this season

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 08:05 PM
What exactly is it that I'm "talked" about that I don't know?

well to skip all the boring stuff..blah blah blah blah, many Croats dont consider Ivan a "true Croatian".

s.m.
09-28-2005, 08:07 PM
well to skip all the boring stuff..blah blah blah blah, many Croats dont consider Ivan a "true Croatian".

lol
you are wrong, but you obviously have your opinion firm on that
sad to hear that
you say many, i know none

Margy
09-28-2005, 08:07 PM
so should karanusic be pissed off that sasa is on the team? roko played a match for the team (dead rubber) this year. tuksar hasn't

It's my understanding that Tuksar was the captain's pick for the spot prior to goran letting it be known he wanted in. Therefore, I assume the captain knew what he was doing in selecting Tuksar over Karausic; and Tuksar earned the spot through merit. I'm more than happy to applaud Goran if he wins the spot in a challenge match as was originally suggested.

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 08:11 PM
lol
you are wrong, but you obviously have your opinion firm on that
sad to hear that
you say many, i know none

well, i am telling, what i heard straight from the man himself.

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 08:13 PM
ohh S.M thanks for the bed rep :lol: why? cuz i have an opinion? im suprised KarolBeckMan has not given me one yet.

s.m.
09-28-2005, 08:13 PM
I'm more than happy to applaud Goran if he wins the spot in a challenge match as was originally suggested.

that was never going to happen
it was internal good natured trash talking by those two
nothing more

s.m.
09-28-2005, 08:19 PM
ohh S.M thanks for the bed rep :lol: why? cuz i have an opinion?

i donīt like that people are talikng about all of this, because itīs a fake subject
it dosenīt exist
match ivanisevic-tuksar dosenīt exsist
row in team dosenīt exsist
unhappy players donīt exist
i donīt know whatīs the point of all that
that is not in croatia davis cup interest
it has nothing to do with opinion
you have your opinion, but donīt make things up, or take for a fact something that some people think about someone

Scotso
09-28-2005, 11:20 PM
I agree, I don't think it's fair at all.

s.m., you need to chill with the bad reps, dude. people are allowed opinions.

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:35 PM
s.m., you need to chill with the bad reps, dude. people are allowed opinions.

bad rep his back, just the way i do it to you :lol:

Scotso
09-28-2005, 11:39 PM
I wasted all mine good-repping people today.

s.m.
09-29-2005, 08:07 AM
s.m., you need to chill with the bad reps, dude. people are allowed opinions.

if you tell lies or construct something that is not there, i will give you bad reputation
for the second time, and i guees you understand english, it has nothing to do with opinions

s.m.
09-29-2005, 08:08 AM
and for all who care so much about tuksar, ančić, and ljubičić
ančić replyed in todayīs papers to topic ivanišević in davis cup team

˝To say he deserves the spot is an understatment. Even if he is retired from tennis. Goran is really part of this generation. I feel, and i am sure that Ljubičić, and Karlović feel the same, that Goran helped me a lot, he never made a problem of playing. Not even when he was in the top 10, or 2nd in the world.˝

Scotso
09-29-2005, 09:03 AM
With all due respect, Ancic isn't the one being booted off the team.

s.m.
09-29-2005, 01:52 PM
With all due respect, Ancic isn't the one being booted off the team.

yes
and we will find ljubičić qoute, and then tuksar, and then you will all find some new bone to chew
:wavey:

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 04:36 PM
yes
and we will find ljubičić qoute, and then tuksar, and then you will all find some new bone to chew
:wavey:

Do you really thing they will say something bad, to start trouble. right

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 04:37 PM
if you tell lies or construct something that is not there, i

read what you said here, then read your own sig, idiot.

s.m.
09-29-2005, 10:59 PM
read what you said here, then read your own sig, idiot.


your parents obviously did a lousy job with you, but donīt take it out on me ;)
you solve your frustration with somebody who gives a shit

El Legenda
09-30-2005, 04:36 AM
your parents obviously did a lousy job with you, but donīt take it out on me ;)
you solve your frustration with somebody who gives a shit
you are quite stupid.

Eclectic Goddess
09-30-2005, 07:06 AM
Once again, an interesting topic has broken down into petty name-calling.

I'm not shocked, but I am bored. Guess I'm done with this thread.

El Legenda
09-30-2005, 07:07 AM
Once again, an interesting topic has broken down into petty name-calling.

.
:lol: sry, im just messing with this kid, but he is taking it seriously ;)