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Which of these should consider a career change to doubles specialist?

Margy
09-27-2005, 07:10 PM
The following players are all former top 10 ranked players who are now at the upper end of the age bracket for active singles players. Their current performance is either stagnating at a level well below what they (and their fans) expect of them or continuing to decline. Not that they are incapable of remaining on tour as singles players, but their current positions and level of play seem to be frustrating them and their fans.

Looking at Jonas Bjorkman as an example of a player with a similar history who has refocused his attention to doubles and has been very successful there (though he does still play some singles); which of the following might benefit by making the transition to doubles specialist?


Carlos Moya - age 29 - current rank 26 - career high rank #1 in 1999

Tim Henman - age 31 - current rank 32 - career high rank #4 in 2002

Greg Rusedski - age 32 - current rank 34 - career high rank #4 in 1997

Albert Costa - age 30 - current rank 76 - career high rank #6 in 2002

Rainer Schuettler - age 29 - current rank 85 - career high rank #5 in 2004

For reference:
Bjorkman - age 33 - current rank 81 - career high rank #4 in 1997
current doubles rank #2

Not only would refocusiing on doubles, an admittedly less physically demanding game, allow these players to remain on tour longer; but the addition of some top names to the regular doubles players ranks would enhance the doubles marketability.

What do you think about these players in particular? Do you think it would be a good move for them or not? And there may be other players in the same situation also. Feel free to add to the list. These were just the ones that came to my mind.

SwissMister1
09-27-2005, 07:15 PM
Ferrero/Hernandez will be the #1 team next year, no one else should even bother showing up :)

savesthedizzle
09-27-2005, 07:16 PM
Ferrero/Hernandez will be the #1 team next year, no one else should even bother showing up :)


:lol: :yeah:

deliveryman
09-27-2005, 07:23 PM
Defintely Tim Henman would make the best double's specialist on that list.

alfonsojose
09-27-2005, 07:24 PM
Henman/Schuettler :yeah:

musefanatic
09-27-2005, 07:34 PM
It'a about time that Schuettler went into doubles, I get surprised now when he wins!

Shabazza
09-27-2005, 07:40 PM
Henman/Schuettler :yeah:
:cool:

Angle Queen
09-27-2005, 07:40 PM
Defintely Tim Henman would make the best double's specialist on that list.:yeah: Yep.

adee-gee
09-27-2005, 07:51 PM
Henman is obviously the best prospect for doubles, but he's still more than able to compete in singles to be fair (even if his results this year suggest otherwise). Same for Rusedski, he's a solid doubles player but if he played it would be to the detriment of his singles, and he's still been doing pretty well in singles.

adee-gee
09-27-2005, 07:52 PM
By the way, I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tim was ranked higher than number 4 at one point.

Margy
09-27-2005, 08:05 PM
By the way, I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tim was ranked higher than number 4 at one point.

I pulled those numbers off their ATP player profiles and his says #4.

Whether they are correct or not :shrug:

adee-gee
09-27-2005, 08:18 PM
I pulled those numbers off their ATP player profiles and his says #4.

Whether they are correct or not :shrug:

Hmm, I thought he'd reached number 2 or 3 at one point, maybe a Timmy fanatic can clarify it for us :)

Margy
09-27-2005, 08:18 PM
Henman is obviously the best prospect for doubles, but he's still more than able to compete in singles to be fair (even if his results this year suggest otherwise). Same for Rusedski, he's a solid doubles player but if he played it would be to the detriment of his singles, and he's still been doing pretty well in singles.

Gosh yes, anyone still ranked in the top 50 is certainly doing fine in singles. Many pro players make a career of tennis and never get into the top 50. But my point is that these guys have done better than that and seem now to be agonizing over evry loss. So might they be happier if they adapt to doubles play and get back to the top echelons there.

Henman seems like one who would do well at doubles without making major changes to his game. Whereas others like Moya would have to adapt more. But if they could commit to the change, could they be successful; and would they be happier with success there instead of continuing to be frustrated with their singles play? I think that when questions about "retirement" begins to come up in postmatch interviews then players ought to start considering all their options.

Scotso
09-27-2005, 08:19 PM
I don't think any of those five are exceptional doubles players... so none.

Margy
09-27-2005, 08:31 PM
I don't think any of those five are exceptional doubles players... so none.

You're right about their past performance at doubles but they rarely or never play it. Singles has been their focus and they haven't wanted to distract themselves from that game while they were at the top of it. But I think they all have the ability to play great doubles if they start to get experience there.

Well, actually, I've never seen Schuettler play; so I know nothing about his game :lol: . But since he's fallen the furthest of the group, I just figured he might be willing to try something new.

adee-gee
09-27-2005, 08:34 PM
Henman/Rusedski were very successful together during DC, despite not liking each each other.

Just another thing, Henman now has a couple of kids, and Rusedski has one on the way. If they didn't think they could compete in singles anymore there is no way they'd go into doubles, they'll settle down with their respective Lucy's.

Papakori
09-27-2005, 08:35 PM
Henman and Schuettler

jtipson
09-27-2005, 08:54 PM
Hmmm, the OP is using race ranks I think, that's a bit unfair.
Bjorkman is currently number one in doubles.
Henman's career high is four, that's correct, however he was at that rank as recently as this time last year.

1sun
09-27-2005, 08:58 PM
By the way, I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tim was ranked higher than number 4 at one point.
nah 4 is his highest ranking. he reached last year as well.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-27-2005, 09:01 PM
If they want to start playing doubles, they better retire, doubles will die anyway:o

Scotso
09-27-2005, 09:06 PM
In my opinion, Schuettler's best weapon is his speed, it's had has done so much for him in singles. In doubles, his weapon would be pretty much useless for him... I don't think he'd make a great doubles specialist.

MariaV
09-27-2005, 09:07 PM
Henman/Rusedski were very successful together during DC, despite not liking each each other.

Just another thing, Henman now has a couple of kids, and Rusedski has one on the way. If they didn't think they could compete in singles anymore there is no way they'd go into doubles, they'll settle down with their respective Lucy's.

Exactly. Tim won't keep on playing just the dubs, that's obvious. And sad IMO. :sad:

Leo
09-27-2005, 09:11 PM
I don't think any of those five are exceptional doubles players... so none.

Definitely none of them would fare well.

Leo
09-27-2005, 09:12 PM
In my opinion, Schuettler's best weapon is his speed, it's had has done so much for him in singles. In doubles, his weapon would be pretty much useless for him... I don't think he'd make a great doubles specialist.

Which is why Youzhny got tired of carrying him and had to dump him for anyone with volleying ability. ;)

Carlita
09-27-2005, 09:13 PM
Moya's only down in the ranking because while he was injured (shoulder) he had a lot of points to defend! He should stick to singles....he's still good and will come back next year!!! Got some years left to play! :p

He's not a good doubles player, never was never will be. :lol:

adee-gee
09-27-2005, 09:24 PM
I'm convinced Henman reached 2 or 3 in the entry rankings :shrug:

Margy
09-27-2005, 09:26 PM
Just another thing, Henman now has a couple of kids, and Rusedski has one on the way. If they didn't think they could compete in singles anymore there is no way they'd go into doubles, they'll settle down with their respective Lucy's.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about the kids issue. And you're right about them wanting to be with the family as the kids grow up. I've said that about Agassi. That when Steffi and the kids can't travel with him because the kids are in school; that's when he'll retire.

Lee
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
Yeah, I hadn't thought about the kids issue. And you're right about them wanting to be with the family as the kids grow up. I've said that about Agassi. That when Steffi and the kids can't travel with him because the kids are in school; that's when he'll retire.

There's always home schooling and is quite popular these days, thanks to internet!

Scotso
09-27-2005, 09:36 PM
I'm convinced Henman reached 2 or 3 in the entry rankings :shrug:

No, #4 was his career high.

Margy
09-27-2005, 09:51 PM
Moya's only down in the ranking because while he was injured (shoulder) he had a lot of points to defend! He should stick to singles....he's still good and will come back next year!!! Got some years left to play! :p

He's not a good doubles player, never was never will be. :lol:

I hope that you're right. I'd like to see him back up there and sticking around for years to come. He is still my main man ! That's why I want him to do whatever it takes, even if that means trying his hand at doubles to keep playing.

Federerhingis
09-27-2005, 10:30 PM
Henman/Schuettler :yeah:


Yeah good combo, the baseliner with the serve and volleyer theoretically it should be a very sound team! And I sure know who you would be paying the most attention to on court. :wavey: Sie ist sehr sportlich! :yeah:

Carlita
09-27-2005, 10:40 PM
I hope that you're right. I'd like to see him back up there and sticking around for years to come. He is still my main man ! That's why I want him to do whatever it takes, even if that means trying his hand at doubles to keep playing.Have some faith in our dear Carlitos!! If the body wants...Charly will be back where he belongs next season! ;)

pesto
09-28-2005, 12:06 AM
Not only were Henman and Rusedski very successful at DC, but Henman also has 4 doubles titles including 2 at the Monte Carlo masters, and that is by playing infrequently, and in scratch partnerships, so who knows what he could do in a good stable partnership. His net game should be very useful in doubles.

It's interesting that he's had such success on clay, his worst surface. I guess it's because he enters the doubles as he knows he'll likely be dumped out of the singles, and needs the practice prior to Garros.

So I think that he could potentially be very successful, but I don't imagine that he wants to spend that much longer on the road once his singles career is over

Margy
09-28-2005, 12:14 AM
So I think that he could potentially be very successful, but I don't imagine that he wants to spend that much longer on the road once his singles career is over

It seems as though a lot of posters think that players would rather just retire after singles rather than try their hand at doubles since they'd be tired of being on the road. But I look at the former players who have become coaches which also keeps them on the road. And I can't imagine a coach making as much as a successful doubles player. Or am I wrong? What does a well known coach make in a year? Does anyone know?

NyGeL
09-28-2005, 04:19 AM
Henman/Costa

Moya, Rusedski and Schuettler are still being good :)

YoursTruly
09-28-2005, 06:16 AM
This is such a mean thread!!!! :)

Margy
09-28-2005, 08:27 PM
This is such a mean thread!!!! :)

It's not really...or it's not meant to be :angel:

I'd honestly just like to see these guys stay around longer, and I worry when I see them all depressed after their losses. If I could figure out how to do pictures, I'd post some of the ones of Moya and Henman in anguish. They're so sad. :hug:

Rex
09-28-2005, 08:40 PM
i say henman-- he has a good instinct at the net- shuettler could work, he is decent at the net, and your bog standard baseliner. so a team like this could succeed.

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 10:32 PM
It seems as though a lot of posters think that players would rather just retire after singles rather than try their hand at doubles since they'd be tired of being on the road.

I wasn't talking about all players. I was mainly talking about Henman and Rusedski and its just because they have/are about to have children. I can't ever see Moya becoming a doubles player because he knows he'll never be very good at it. Schuettler doesn't seem to be enjoying his tennis so I doubt he'd bother with doubles.

But I look at the former players who have become coaches which also keeps them on the road. And I can't imagine a coach making as much as a successful doubles player. Or am I wrong? What does a well known coach make in a year? Does anyone know?

The amount a coach makes depends on the player. I think a lot of them work on a %age of the winnings. I think the top coaches make more than most players that stick to doubles though, there isn't a huge amount of money in doubles anymore.

cecilija
09-28-2005, 10:35 PM
Tim has the tools to be a very good doubles players. even he won four doubles titles (he won montecarlo 2004)

Kristen
09-03-2006, 02:05 PM
Jürgen Melzer. Eventually. :bolt:

scarecrows
09-03-2006, 02:29 PM
I think Tim too

I think he should consider joining with, let's say Llodra, and give a try to win Wimbledon

jenanun
09-03-2006, 03:25 PM
I'm convinced Henman reached 2 or 3 in the entry rankings :shrug:

maybe he was seeded 2 or 3 in wimbledon...

but i m sure no.4 was the highest he has reached....

binkygirl
09-04-2006, 03:35 AM
By the way, I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tim was ranked higher than number 4 at one point.

His highest rank was four and it was just three years ago or so, I believe. He made a French Open semi that same year. When he hit 4, people were complaining about it, saying he didn't deserve it.

ae wowww
09-04-2006, 08:42 AM
Henman, Rusedski & Schuettler would all make very good doubles specialists..

ae wowww
09-04-2006, 11:05 AM
None of these guys need to play doubles - so as has already been said, if they couldn't hack it in singles, they'd just retire. There is no money issue for these mentioned guys. But hypothetically, they could consider a change.

stebs
09-04-2006, 11:12 AM
His highest rank was four and it was just three years ago or so, I believe. He made a French Open semi that same year. When he hit 4, people were complaining about it, saying he didn't deserve it.
He's been at four at more than one time in his career. '02 and '04.