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GB could draw Serbia in DC...

revolution
09-26-2005, 03:44 PM
Murray v Djokovic in front of around 6,000 screaming Brits in Birmingham would be an exciting match up, let's hope it happens.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-26-2005, 03:46 PM
:yeah:

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 03:52 PM
Let's hope not...we will lose!

We could beat Tipsarevic twice, but I could Djokovic winning both singles. The doubles...they have Zimonjic, so it would be far from easy for us!

Is it a home tie anyway?

Balls, based on the current rankings, Great Britain is 25 and will be the 5th best nation in Euro/Africa Zone 1....meaning we are NOT seeded, and will have to play either India, Czech Republic, Belgium or Italy before the WG Qualies. :bigcry: Yikes! :eek: :eek:

alfonsojose
09-26-2005, 03:55 PM
Surely Djokovic would suffer the cramp of his life, with a half-an-hour delay. Pierce and Coria will be :mad: of envy :tape:

revolution
09-26-2005, 03:55 PM
We are seeded.

We would be at home against Serbia, Morocco (best possible draw imo), Luxembourg or Israel.

We would be away to Ukraine or Portugal.

Funnily enough if we do draw Ukraine then Andy will face a rematch with Sergey Stakhovsky, whom he beat in the USO juniors final.

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 04:03 PM
We are seeded.

We would be at home against Serbia, Morocco (best possible draw imo), Luxembourg or Israel.

We would be away to Ukraine or Portugal.

Funnily enough if we do draw Ukraine then Andy will face a rematch with Sergey Stakhovsky, whom he beat in the USO juniors final.

Not sure how we have managed to be seeded but boy is that a relief!!! :woohoo: From this year's Euro/Africa draw, 4 nations are seeded, and we would be the 5th ranked nation for the draw on Thursday.

You are right about Morocco. Last time we drew them, that was the worst possible tie IMO and this time they have pretty much no one. Amazing how a team's strength can completely change in the space of a couple of years!

The away ties aren't bad either really. Ukraine have only Stakhovsky I think, and the worst thing they can do is play it on clay which still gives us a good chance. Portugal aren't that strong either.

Luxembourg and Israel are the worst two, probably worst being Israel because of their doubles team and 2 relatively good singles players. Luxembourg will be like facing an inferior Switzerland.

hitchhiker
09-26-2005, 04:07 PM
bates will substitude murray with Jamie Delgado

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 04:11 PM
bates will substitude murray with Jamie Delgado

:lol: If the tie is on hard court then Jamie D could very well make the team anyway...it isn't that difficult for him to do better than Parmar, Bogo and Hilton right now. But there again we are dead set on keeping Sherwood as a doubles player. :shrug:

TheBoiledEgg
09-26-2005, 04:21 PM
heard GB are thinking of playing in Glasgow if they get a home tie cos of all the Scots in their squad.

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 04:22 PM
Another Murray's thread :o

:lol: Would you like it even more if I said that there is a good chance a home tie could be hosted by Glasgow?!!

I seriously hope not...Birmingham is an awesome venue and has had terrific crowds and sell-outs. Furthermore, pretty much anyone in the country can get to Birmingham as it is central. I for one won't be able to travel to Glasgow...and many others will be in the same boat too.

Galaxystorm
09-26-2005, 04:24 PM
Another Murray's thread :o

The next one will be surely : " Murray , an erotic myth " :retard:

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 04:26 PM
Another Murray's thread :o

The next one will be surely : " Murray , an erotic myth " :retard:

I'd get started on that then! :devil:

Galaxystorm
09-26-2005, 04:28 PM
:lol: Would you like it even more if I said that there is a good chance a home tie could be hosted by Glasgow?!!.

You know what ?? I had prefered that Murray was english and not scottish.

Scotland a very nice place that i'm starting to hate thanks for Murray's supporters :silly:

revolution
09-26-2005, 04:31 PM
Another Murray's thread :o

The next one will be surely : " Murray , an erotic myth " :retard:

This is also a Djokovic thread, hence the reason I put both players in the post.

JMG
09-26-2005, 04:38 PM
I think Stakhovsky never played for Ukraine.

adee-gee
09-26-2005, 04:40 PM
I could play Roger Federer in the final of Wimbledon next year. Lets hope it happens ;)

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 05:09 PM
I could play Roger Federer in the final of Wimbledon next year. Lets hope it happens ;)

You'd hold the rare distinction of being one of the only players in the draw not to have lost to him ;)

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 06:54 PM
This is also a Djokovic thread, hence the reason I put both players in the post.

Every thread is a Djokovic thread.

Djokovic would win 6-0 6-0 6-0, so clearly Murray is praying that this does not occur.

Oh, I'm JUST KIDDING. Relax.

Tipsarevic has actually been quite good in Davis Cup, btw. Mind you, he hasn't played any DC matches on grass.

Jim Jones
09-26-2005, 07:03 PM
We are seeded.

We would be at home against Serbia, Morocco (best possible draw imo), Luxembourg or Israel.

We would be away to Ukraine or Portugal.

Funnily enough if we do draw Ukraine then Andy will face a rematch with Sergey Stakhovsky, whom he beat in the USO juniors final.
well apparently Sergey Stakhovsky does not play Davis Cup for Ukraine. I think he does not even consider himself Ukrainian despite being listed as such. He may want to play for Russia or Poland I think.
Also Pashanski is playing better than Tipservic so he should also be viewed.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 07:07 PM
Every thread is a Djokovic thread.

Djokovic would win 6-0 6-0 6-0, so clearly Murray is praying that this does not occur.

Oh, I'm JUST KIDDING. Relax.

Tipsarevic has actually been quite good in Davis Cup, btw. Mind you, he hasn't played any DC matches on grass.

He may not win 6-0 6-0 6-0, but he would win.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-26-2005, 07:10 PM
yeah, of course:retard:

But it will be on a fast court, so no chance for Novak.

revolution
09-26-2005, 07:11 PM
He may not win 6-0 6-0 6-0, but he would win.

Maybe, but home crowd would be a major factor. Unless you're Jurgen Melzer. :cool:

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 07:13 PM
yeah, of course:retard:

But it will be on a fast court, so no chance for Novak.
I didn't realize that Novak was a claycourter.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 07:22 PM
yeah, of course:retard:

But it will be on a fast court, so no chance for Novak.

You're right, that's why he lost in the first round of Wimbledon.

Grinder
09-26-2005, 07:29 PM
All these up and coming youngsters (except for Nadal) seem to be good all surface players

Scotso
09-26-2005, 07:33 PM
All these up and coming youngsters (except for Nadal) seem to be good all surface players

Nadal's had better success on all surfaces than any of them, so I think you need to qualify your statement with something.

Grinder
09-26-2005, 07:42 PM
Nadal's had better success on all surfaces than any of them, so I think you need to qualify your statement with something.

Nadal 4R Australian, W Roland Garros, 2R Wimbledon, 3R US Open

Murray 3R Wimbledon, 2R US Open

Gasquet 3R Roland Garros, 4R Wimbledon, 4R US Open

Monfils 2R Australian,1R Roland Garros,3R Wimbledon, 1R US Open

Djokovic 1R Australian, 2R Roland Garros,3R Wimbledon,3R US Open

Gasquet has had more success on grass than Nadal as well as Monfils, Murray and Djokovic. That already falsifies that Nadal has had better success than any of them on ALL surfaces.

Aside from grass Nadal is more successful, but I still wouldn't consider him an all court player, because he is still much more successful on clay even if he is still a good player on hard court.

Domino
09-26-2005, 07:46 PM
Nadal 4R Australian, W Roland Garros, 2R Wimbledon, 3R US Open

Murray 3R Wimbledon, 2R US Open

Gasquet 3R Roland Garros, 4R Wimbledon, 4R US Open

Monfils 2R Australian,1R Roland Garros,3R Wimbledon, 1R US Open

Djokovic 1R Australian, 2R Roland Garros,3R Wimbledon,3R US Open

Gasquet has had more success on grass than Nadal as well as Monfils, Murray and Djokovic. That already falsifies that Nadal has had better success than any of them on ALL surfaces.

Aside from grass Nadal is more successful, but I still wouldn't consider him an all court player, because he is still much more successful on clay even if he is still a good player on hard court.


Add in the fact that Djokovic is younger...and also make the point that some people bloom later than others, but their potential can still be the same or better.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 07:49 PM
So if a player reaches the second round of all slams, he's an all court player, but if he reaches the QF on three but wins Roland Garros, he's a claycourter? :retard:

And Nadal has made the 3rd round of Wimbledon, and what he misses to Gasquet minorly on grass, he makes up for by being better than him on the other surfaces.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 07:51 PM
That already falsifies that Nadal has had better success than any of them on ALL surfaces.

Yes and no, depending on how you mean it. I mean that taking all surfaces into account, Nadal is the best in terms of variety of success.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-26-2005, 07:53 PM
Nadal won against Spadea and then lost to Muller:retard:

Grinder
09-26-2005, 07:55 PM
If you play extremely well one year, the results are bound to come on all surfaces including the weakest surface. Puerta had a terrible hardcourt record (something like ten wins) but after he made it to the Roland Garros final, he made it to the quarters of Montreal TMS.

Nadal was not close to making it to the quarterfinals of any slam other than Roland Garros besides for the Australian Open. He may develop into a consistent all surface player, but I consider Gasquet an all court player because he has won Nottingham (grass), reached the final of Metz (hard) and been to the final of TMS Hamburg (clay).

I consider an all courter someone who can strongly perform on all three surfaces, not just clay and hardcourt or grass and hardcourt.

revolution
09-26-2005, 07:56 PM
Grinder, Nadal's Wimby best is 3R, not 2R, as he reached the third round in 2003.

Grinder
09-26-2005, 07:57 PM
Grinder, Nadal's Wimby best is 3R, not 2R, as he reached the third round in 2003.
I wasn't putting the best results, I was just showing this year's result.


Yes, I agree right now Nadal is better overall than all those guys, but I'm speaking in terms of the future, it's all speculation.

Galaxystorm
09-26-2005, 08:00 PM
Nadal 4R Australian, W Roland Garros, 2R Wimbledon, 3R US Open

Murray 3R Wimbledon, 2R US Open

Gasquet 3R Roland Garros, 4R Wimbledon, 4R US Open

Monfils 2R Australian,1R Roland Garros,3R Wimbledon, 1R US Open

Djokovic 1R Australian, 2R Roland Garros,3R Wimbledon,3R US Open

Gasquet has had more success on grass than Nadal as well as Monfils, Murray and Djokovic. That already falsifies that Nadal has had better success than any of them on ALL surfaces.

Aside from grass Nadal is more successful, but I still wouldn't consider him an all court player, because he is still much more successful on clay even if he is still a good player on hard court.

* Clay : Nadal has won a Grand Slam, the rest of them :o
* Hard court : Nadal has a masters series, and a final . The rest of them :o
* Grass: You forgot Nadal reached 3rd round in Wimbledon when he was only 17 and a pair of months . Only Gasquet has reached a more round :eek:

Did you say " All these up and coming youngsters (except for Nadal) seem to be good all surface players " ?? . No comment.

Galaxystorm
09-26-2005, 08:07 PM
I wasn't putting the best results, I was just showing this year's result.


Yes, I agree right now Nadal is better overall than all those guys, but I'm speaking in terms of the future, it's all speculation.

Murray better than Nadal in the future ?? :lol:

Djokovic, Murray, Monfils , Gasquet none of them will never be as good as Nadal.

Nadal's statistics talk about he will be one of the great players in ATP history , not only a top 10 player as Djokovic ,. Monfils and Gasquet will be.

In fact right now we can say that he'll be the second best teenager in ATP history behind Borg.

Grinder
09-26-2005, 08:09 PM
Murray better than Nadal in the future ?? :lol:

Djokovic, Murray, Monfils , Gasquet none of them will never be as good as Nadal.

Nadal's statistics talk about he will be one of the great players in ATP history , not only a top 10 player as Djokovic ,. Monfils and Gasquet will be.

In fact right now we can say that he'll be the second best teenager in ATP history behind Borg.
I never said he would be better, don't jump to conclusions. I said they all seem to be good from surface to surface.

I like Nadal, look at my sig.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 08:12 PM
I wasn't putting the best results, I was just showing this year's result.


Yes, I agree right now Nadal is better overall than all those guys, but I'm speaking in terms of the future, it's all speculation.

You can't use what they might accomplish to say that they are better all-court players.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 08:12 PM
* Clay : Nadal has won a Grand Slam, the rest of them :o
* Hard court : Nadal has a masters series, and a final . The rest of them :o
* Grass: You forgot Nadal reached 3rd round in Wimbledon when he was only 17 and a pair of months . Only Gasquet has reached a more round :eek:

Did you say " All these up and coming youngsters (except for Nadal) seem to be good all surface players " ?? . No comment.

Thanks.

Galaxystorm
09-26-2005, 08:20 PM
I remember when some weeks before Miami masters series Patrick McEnroe in an interview talked about Nadal had only talent to do great things on clay because his topspin in the rest of surfaces wasn't efficient and also said Nadal's serve was horrible. In his opinion Monfils and Berdych had more future than Nadal.

Some weeks later Patrick had to shut his mouth when Nadal in Miami reached the final and was about to beat on hard court Federer ( who will be the best player in the history ) . Some months later Nadal won Agassi in Montreal on hard court.

When Berdych, Monfils, Gasquet, Murray , Djokovic etc have won a masters series on hard court beating Agassi , when one of these players are able to reach the fifth set against Federer on hard, and when one of these players have caught Nadal at the entry ranking, please call me, meanwhile to say one of these players can be better than Nadal in the long run are just twaddles

Aleksa's Laydee
09-27-2005, 07:21 AM
Whens the draw please :bigwave:

adee-gee
09-27-2005, 07:25 AM
All these up and coming youngsters (except for Nadal) seem to be good all surface players

:haha:

That was supposed to be a joke, right?

Xmanfan
09-27-2005, 10:01 AM
I hope to god we get a home tie and not away for the 6th time in a row. Most likely venue for home tie is Glasgow - not birmingham. Sorry! I don't mind who we get as long as we win!

Horatio Caine
09-27-2005, 10:20 AM
I hope to god we get a home tie and not away for the 6th time in a row. Most likely venue for home tie is Glasgow - not birmingham. Sorry! I don't mind who we get as long as we win!

I want Birmingham! :bigcry:

We won't know our exact opposition until February I think. We will know which of 2 nations we could play on Thursday.

vincayou
09-27-2005, 11:01 AM
I remember when some weeks before Miami masters series Patrick McEnroe in an interview talked about Nadal had only talent to do great things on clay because his topspin in the rest of surfaces wasn't efficient and also said Nadal's serve was horrible. In his opinion Monfils and Berdych had more future than Nadal.

Some weeks later Patrick had to shut his mouth when Nadal in Miami reached the final and was about to beat on hard court Federer ( who will be the best player in the history ) . Some months later Nadal won Agassi in Montreal on hard court.

When Berdych, Monfils, Gasquet, Murray , Djokovic etc have won a masters series on hard court beating Agassi , when one of these players are able to reach the fifth set against Federer on hard, and when one of these players have caught Nadal at the entry ranking, please call me, meanwhile to say one of these players can be better than Nadal in the long run are just twaddles

Nadal has developped quicker, but I wouldn't bet against the fact that Berdych, Djokovic or Gasquet will be better than him on fast surface in the future. Gasquet was injured during the whole Us season and went further than him at USO.

Duncan
09-27-2005, 11:11 AM
Hope its played in Glasgow, then i can go!

skel1983
09-27-2005, 11:24 AM
If this tie is played on the ultra quick indoor stuff in Birmingham i can't see Rusedski being beaten by Novak or Tip, but you know Greg is 32 now and alot can happen till now and April, but if Greg is in as good a form as he is now he will win both his matches and it will be upto Andy or doubles to win the other.

*julie*
09-27-2005, 06:12 PM
* Clay : Nadal has won a Grand Slam, the rest of them :o
* Hard court : Nadal has a masters series, and a final . The rest of them :o
* Grass: You forgot Nadal reached 3rd round in Wimbledon when he was only 17 and a pair of months . Only Gasquet has reached a more round :eek:

Did you say " All these up and coming youngsters (except for Nadal) seem to be good all surface players " ?? . No comment.

I think you didn't exactly understand what Grinder said. By his comments, he meant that Nadal has a favorite surface (no need to tell you which one ;) ) and another one where he is not as confident with.
For example, I still don't know which are the best and worst surfaces for Gasquet, while it's clear that Nadal's favorite surface is clay and his least one is grass.
But, It doesn't mean that Nadal is not the best of all the players mentionned.

Grinder
09-27-2005, 08:58 PM
I think you didn't exactly understand what Grinder said. By his comments, he meant that Nadal has a favorite surface (no need to tell you which one ;) ) and another one where he is not as confident with.
For example, I still don't know which are the best and worst surfaces for Gasquet, while it's clear that Nadal's favorite surface is clay and his least one is grass.
But, It doesn't mean that Nadal is not the best of all the players mentionned.

Exactly, thanks Julie

Galaxystorm
09-27-2005, 11:20 PM
I think you didn't exactly understand what Grinder said. By his comments, he meant that Nadal has a favorite surface (no need to tell you which one ;) ) and another one where he is not as confident with.
For example, I still don't know which are the best and worst surfaces for Gasquet, while it's clear that Nadal's favorite surface is clay and his least one is grass.
But, It doesn't mean that Nadal is not the best of all the players mentionned.

I understood perfectly what he said and above all what he meant. ( I'm not sure you understood what he meant )

By the way i'm not the only one who understood the same than me .( KarolBeck fan, Adee-gee )

Surely Nadal will need to win 4 US Open and 5 Aus open before people starts to think in him not only as a claycourter :o , on the other hand Monfils and Gasquet just reaching a second round :eek: on a hard tournament as for example Chennai will be considered better hardcourters than Nadal :retard:

By the way, this will be my last message about this subject.

Chloe le Bopper
09-28-2005, 12:21 AM
I think you didn't exactly understand what Grinder said. By his comments, he meant that Nadal has a favorite surface (no need to tell you which one ;) ) and another one where he is not as confident with.
For example, I still don't know which are the best and worst surfaces for Gasquet, while it's clear that Nadal's favorite surface is clay and his least one is grass.
But, It doesn't mean that Nadal is not the best of all the players mentionned.

More accurately, Nadal has one surface where he is undoubtedly the best in the world - not simply one surface which he favours. Clearly his results on other surfaces linger behind these. I'm not sure that it's accurate to look at that discrepancy and suggest that he's one of the only up and comers who hasn't shown signs of developing into an all surface player.

PennyThePenguin
09-28-2005, 01:05 AM
He may not win 6-0 6-0 6-0, but he would win.

:yeah:

Raquel
09-29-2005, 05:15 PM
Serbia plays Israel in February with the winner playing GB in April, so Serbia v GB is a definite possibility. It would be great if it was held in Glasgow. I may have to go back home and see it if it was :)

revolution
09-29-2005, 05:59 PM
GB v Serbia.. I'd deffo want to go.. Murray v Djokovic is too much an attraction not to. :yeah: