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Robin Söderling- Teamplayer and patriot

Aphex
09-25-2005, 08:59 PM
:bowdown:
Robin Söderling declined to play in the DC tie India-Sweden this weekend, citing a knee injury as the cause. Andreas Vinciguerra on the comeback trail from injury had to withdraw from a couple of clay-court tournies to be reserve player.

Now, suddenly Söderling is well enough to participate in the Thailand Open. So his knee couldn't cope with the grass in India but he can play on hardcourt$ in Bangkok.

Don't you just love this guy?

Needless to say his teammates, especially Andreas Vinciguerra, who needed to play as much as possible on clay before that season is over, are also very happy about the situation. :o

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 09:04 PM
Faen, I love you Toad that is great work for sure and yes Vinci had to pull out of the challenger in Poland and trying to qualify for Palermo.

Vinci also got sick as well in India, not bad for a reserve player, who is trying to build his career again, while Söderling is on the beach somewhere.

jole
09-25-2005, 09:05 PM
Nothing new, but I agree it needs to be highlighted.

LaTenista
09-25-2005, 09:19 PM
Soderling isn't the only player who missed DC. I've heard all about the Volandri money dispute. What about Radek Stepanek, who's due to play Ho Chi Minh this week? That's got to be leaving a bad taste in someone's mouth seeing as Germany has just become the first nation to ever kick the Czech Republic out of the world group. :eek:

Jiri Novak had a legit injury and he isn't playing a tournament this week.

Tim Henman and Carlos Moya both went on the record saying they wouldn't play DC at all this year and look at the sort of year they've both been having :tape:. Is there a DC curse?

Scotso
09-25-2005, 11:15 PM
There are a lot of top players in the sport who refuse to play DC... it's their decision, no?

I don't see anyone attacking Agassi for it.

revolution
09-25-2005, 11:18 PM
I agree with LaTenista, and when Novak was declared unfit, then Stepanek shouldn't have been so selfish as not to play. He has cost his country their world group place, and they shouldn't let him in again if he comes crawling back. Note all the Murray haters crying for poor little vilified Stepanek? Well this proves exactly what an asshole he is.

Henman would not have made the difference against the Swiss the way he was playing, plus they had a fully fit squad, and Spain can call on a few class acts.

howardean
09-26-2005, 05:55 AM
There are a lot of top players in the sport who refuse to play DC... it's their decision, no?

I don't see anyone attacking Agassi for it.

i agree, i don't see why people seem to place DC on some higher level that makes it some criminal offense not to play it. while i respect the players who give up their time to play for their country with no ranking points or money
to gain, i don't think it should be separated from the other tournaments in terms of obligation to play it. plus, you liked my thread ;)

Aphex
09-26-2005, 08:42 AM
:haha:
This is the good stuff. A stir up shit journo, two team mates in conflict and they even bring in the top suit at the end.

From Svenska Dagbladet:

Rift in the Swedish DC team

Open conflict between Robin Söderling and the other Swedish players

Sweden's Davis Cup team is shook by internal struggles. Cause: Robin Söderling declined to play in the India tie due to a knee injury but will participate in the Bangkok ATP tournament which starts today.
-I didn't want to risk retiring from a DC match, says Robin to SvD.
-He probably knows he's done wrong, says Andreas Vinciguerra.

Robin Söderling has also before had trouble gelling with the DC gang and the other day he got to know the rift was even deeper.
-I received an sms from the guys in the team which said: "Good luck in Bangkok".( :lol: )
How did you react?
-Bah, it's so ridiculous and unneccessary, this doesn't make it more fun to play DC. It would've been better if they'd called me to check out the facts first.
What are the facts?
-I have a knee injury which will be operated on after the last tournament of the year. The doctors have said it won't be aggravated by playing.
But why withdraw from a DC match to play an ATP tournament now?
-Because I only play for myself on the tour, if I feel pain I can retire and it will only affect myself. If I was playing DC and had to retire the whole team would suffer, says the 21 year old Västgöte, who is not surprised by the other guys reaction.
-I could almost forsee they would think I'm egoistical, I just let them do it, I couldn't care less.

Although Andreas Vinciguerra and the other players of the DC team don't call-at least not in public- Robin a traitor, they are critical of his actions and hesitant towards his explanation:
-If I had said no to DC i would never play the week after. The question is how Robin's knee suddenly could be so well he can play both singles and doubles in Bangkok. But I hope the injury is the real reason behind his not playing, says "Vinci".
What do you mean?
-Well, unless there's another reason($$$$$$$), which would be disrespectful towards the team and the country, says "Vinci" who is affected the most by Robin's withdrawal.

The 24 year old skåning misses two claycourt tournaments, and the week in New Delhi is a big bump on his comeback trail after a couple of years in injury hell.
-Me, I don't hesitate to come if the team needs me, says "Vinci", who knew he'd be a reserve player.
Söderling says he also doesn't hesitate to play DC but will have to live with the doubts.
-The behaviour as such doesn't send a positive signal, says, the head of Swedens Tennis Association, Tony Wiréhn, although he doesn't want to pass to harsh a judgment.
-I want to talk to Robin in person before I say any more, but if it's the case he doesn't feel the same joy as the others representing his country, we'll have to do something about it.

If spontaneous Robin Söderling only looked after his own rapport with the DC team he would in the current situation be served by being more calculating and withdraw from the Bangkok tournament- "the knee wasn't up for it".
Jonas Arnesen

Now they need to rig the draw for R32 of the Stockholm Open so we can have a :boxing: Toad vs. Vince
(Sorry about the sloppy translation. No time. No dictionary)

Plastic Bertrand
09-26-2005, 09:13 AM
It would not have taken much time for Soderling to say hey I am not interested in playing Davis Cup beforehand instead of faking of a knee injury to get out of it and play in a tournament, at least Stepanek was good enough to say at the start of the season I am not playing Davis Cup, whether or not people agree with the choice made.

Kristen
09-26-2005, 10:26 AM
I don't dislike Robin, and I can see where he's coming from, with his comments. I can also understand why the Swedish team would be a bit "WTF?" because I thought the same, when I saw the list for Bangkok. However, if he thinks he might be able to play, and the pressure will only be from himself, then good on him.

If he had been part of the DC team, what then? What if it turns out his knee does give him a bit of grief and he has to pull out? (Waiting for the 'ifs and buts are irrelevant' comment)Then people would find another reason to diss him because he's such a bastard with no personality or professionalism. I like that he's a bit different to the rest of the guys. He's weird, he's quiet and abrupt and probably a bit abrasive towards some people. I don't care. He's Swedish, is competent at times, and has always been polite when I've spoken with him.

I understand that Vinci's ranking is pretty ugly right now, but I'm so glad he's been chosen for the team. He's an amazing player and I'd like to think that even though he's suffered from dehydration (crazy boy!) and is out of tournaments, he will gain confidence and get back into the swing of things from his participation in DC.

Deivid23
09-26-2005, 10:28 AM
It´s nothing new, a lot of players do similar things, not a think I like, of course (and the Captains also, if not just ask Robredo)

Aphex
09-26-2005, 10:28 AM
There are a lot of top players in the sport who refuse to play DC... it's their decision, no?

I don't see anyone attacking Agassi for it.

In this case, I disagree. Söderling(and Pim-pim) was on the only traveling team around (Team Catella) when he was younger sponsored by among others Tennis Sweden. They've invested a lot of money into his career. So he owes them at least a couple of years of DC service IMO. He's not a self-made man like Björkman or Ryderstedt.

Agassi played DC for more than a decade and brought home the cup several times. That's a different story, isn't it?

*Ljubica*
09-26-2005, 10:45 AM
There are a lot of top players in the sport who refuse to play DC... it's their decision, no?

I don't see anyone attacking Agassi for it.


I agree. If people want to play for their country - then good for them - but if they don't that is their personal choice and they should not be villified for it in my opinion. Tennis players have relatively short careers and must do what is best for them - their health, their finances and supporting their families - DC is not an obligation and Soderling, Stepanek etc should not be treated as some kind of traitor or pariah for saying "no".

nobama
09-26-2005, 12:07 PM
Roger hasn't committed to playing next year. He told the fans what they wanted to hear on Saturday but then qualified his statement by saying he'd make a decision in the next few weeks. I think as a player you should be in or out - either you commit to play or you don't. I don't like this 'I'll play when it fits my schedule' or 'I'll play when the team is in a bind and needs me to save them'. There's no way Switzerland will win DC without Roger (and maybe not with him either), so if he wants at least a shot the cup he's gonna have to play.

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 01:33 PM
Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick, but if Stepanek said at the start of the year that he wasn't going to play DC this year, then fair play to him for not playing this week. It is not his fault that Czech Republic lost. 9 months is plenty of time for the other team players to reach some sort of form good enough to win any tie.

If I am right, Soderling gave notice a few days before the tie? Deciding to play the day after the tie is selfish, but as Rosie said players have short careers and it is up to them how much they jeopardise their bodies. Equally, if he had committed to the tie, what part would he have played? He is not in form, and hasn't played much. Bjorkman and Johansson are excellent grasscourt players and are head-and-shoulders above the Indian singles duo on that surface. They didn't need him for the tie...

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 01:39 PM
Roger hasn't committed to playing next year. He told the fans what they wanted to hear on Saturday but then qualified his statement by saying he'd make a decision in the next few weeks. I think as a player you should be in or out - either you commit to play or you don't. I don't like this 'I'll play when it fits my schedule' or 'I'll play when the team is in a bind and needs me to save them'. There's no way Switzerland will win DC without Roger (and maybe not with him either), so if he wants at least a shot the cup he's gonna have to play.

I have to agree with some points here. Roger should commit or stay out. Obviously, if he plays then the Swiss have an 80% chance of winning against ANY nation, but it is a little stupid just to play to keep them in the WG. Davis Cup obviously isn't a priority for him at the moment...my guess is he will focus on it if he wins the French within the next 2 years. Then his only remaining goals apart from winning more slams would be an Olympic gold medal and the Davis Cup.

Equally, his decisions are good. He is giving the rest of the Swiss team a chance to win a WG match without him. That would give the team members vital experience and confidence...there needs to be a future beyond Federer.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 02:49 PM
I think we also need to qualify all of this by looking at the circumstances. This wasn't the DC semifinal. Sweden was in absolutely no danger of losing to India, even without Soderling... so I really don't understand why people are so upset.

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 02:55 PM
I think we also need to qualify all of this by looking at the circumstances. This wasn't the DC semifinal. Sweden was in absolutely no danger of losing to India, even without Soderling... so I really don't understand why people are so upset.

You don't see the problem with this then? It's easy the Toad only needed to say to the team I don't want to play DC, just like Stepanek did at the start of the season with the Czechs. No need to use a bullshit excuse for an injury. it's not like the regular tour where he would get fined.

JMG
09-26-2005, 03:06 PM
What about Moodie? He's playing in Vietnam, but didn't play in DC so that S.Africa went down to Group II. Was he injured?

Scotso
09-26-2005, 03:07 PM
You don't see the problem with this then? It's easy the Toad only needed to say to the team I don't want to play DC, just like Stepanek did at the start of the season with the Czechs. No need to use a bullshit excuse for an injury. it's not like the regular tour where he would get fined.

Exactly, there's no need for an excuse so maybe it wasn't one?

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 03:08 PM
Exactly, there's no need for an excuse so maybe it wasn't one?

He said he was injured, but can play the next day? That's making up an injury excuse, when he could have said "No, I'm not interested in playing this tie".

Yoel and co.
09-26-2005, 03:36 PM
That's got to be leaving a bad taste in someone's mouth seeing as Germany has just become the first nation to ever kick the Czech Republic out of the world group. :eek:



Didn't Israel kick the Czech out something like 10 or 15 years ago?

Yoel and co.
09-26-2005, 03:43 PM
Sorry, Israel d. Czech in the first round of the World Group, back in 1987.

Israel's best success in DC so far :sad:

Aphex
10-02-2005, 08:28 AM
More stir up shit. Now from Scandinavia's largest tabloid, Aftonbladet:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,705725,00.html

The tennis war

They can't stand eachother- the fight in the DC team has been going on for long.

Robin Söderling's not playing Davis Cup recently is only the tip of the ice-berg. Sportbladet can now reveal large conflicts going way back in the Swedish team.
-Robin isn't popular among the others. He has a terrible ego. Somebody ought to take him hard by the ear, says television expert Janne Gunnarsson (Gunnarsson is an idiot).

The Swedish players were angry since Robin Söderling said no to the DC tie against India due to an injury, and then played in the ATP tournament in Bangkok. A scornful sms to Söderling from the rest of the team stated clearly Jonas Björkman and Andreas Vinciguerra's opinion on the matter.
But Janne Gunnarsson claims the conflict between is an old one, and that this is only a part of the truth.

"Not best mates"
-It's been known for a long time Robin and Joachim "Pim-pim" Johansson can't stand eachother since they were young. During the Davis Cup quarterfinal against the USA in Delaware(? Florida) last year Robin had such an attitude Jonas Björkman, Thomas Enqvist and the others simply refused to practise with him. He had to play with Wilander instead.
Legendary Davis Cup player Anders Järryd confirms the conflict between Söderling and "Pim-pim".
-I know he and "Pim-pim" had problems with eachother when they were younger, and you can't say they're best mates nowadays either, he says.
Thomas Enqvist is very diplomatical on the Delaware issue.
- I don't know anything about it. But of course sometimes you have a difference of opinion, he says.
Janne Gunnarsson states the problems have come because of Söderling being selfish.
-Robin has a terrible ego. He's the kind of guy who doesn't cheer when others are successful. He needs someone to take him hard by the ear. I understand the other guys being annoyed with him skipping DC only to play in Thailand.
-Andreas Vinciguerra had to say no to two clay tournaments just to be benched in India. If the tie had been played at home or in Las Vegas, and preferably a semifinal or a final, I'm sure Robin would have played.

Was thinking about what's good for the team
Robin Söderling disagree on the criticism.
-I'm not best mates with anybody on the team, but I don't dislike anyone. Me and "Pim-pim" have nothing against eachother, but we have strong personalities and of cousre there are talk when we're both play well and competes in the same tournaments, he says.
Do you understand your DC teammates being offended by you playing in Thailand?
-No, I was thinking about what was good for the team. The whole team would've suffered if I had to retire from a DC-match. Also it was good for me to have a week's rest. But Jonas Björkman shouldn't talk, he said no to Davis Cup a couple of years ago (first round 97), since he had been dropped from the squad the previous round (Kulti played the deciding singles rubber in the 96 final instead of him).
Do you think you're a diva?
-No, I don't know about that. Tennis is an individual sport. I don't think I'm more of an egoist than the other guy, I'm just more honest about it.
David Tanentsapf

Voices about Robin
-He's a good guy, but he's still in a period when you think more about what's good for yourself. I hope they solve the issues. We need a healthy Robin in Davis Cup.
Anders Järryd

-Robin is a nice guy, but he's very temperamental on the court. He needs to learn how to keep his mood in check. Ivan Lendl once said: you have to learn how to win, but also how to lose.
Tennis "oracle" Björn Hellberg

-He played brilliant tennis, but his behaviour is not exemplary. You don't gain anything by doing so.
DC-captain Mats Wilander after Söderling pying in the Stockholm Open final 2003.

-After he won the point he scorned me straight in the face. He seems to have problems
World #1 Roger Federer being angry with Söerling trying to psych him in the match at Halle this year.

jole
10-02-2005, 08:40 AM
Do you think you're a diva?
-No, I don't know about that. Tennis is an individual sport. I don't think I'm more of an egoist than the other guy, I'm just more honest about it.

-After he won the point he scorned me straight in the face. He seems to have problems
World #1 Roger Federer being angry with Söerling trying to psych him in the match at Halle this year.

:haha:

Aphex
10-11-2005, 10:59 PM
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=450665

The Swedish tabloids (and Aphex :unsure: ) are having a field day with the DC conflict. Now Söderling's father joins in on the action :cool: :

Söderling: It's like kindergarten

First he explained himself at a meeting with Tennis Sweden-then Robin Söderling, 21, pulled out of Stockholm Open due to an injury. At the meeting was Bo Söderling, 65, who thinks his son has been unfairly labeled a troublemaker.
-You could treat someone with respect even if they're 20 and the others are 30, couldn't you?
Robin Söderling is operated today at St Göran's Hospital in Stockholm. Hopefully the lingering knee injury will be fully healed for the start of next season.
His withdrawal from the Stockholm Open has nothing to do with the fight in the DC team, Robin Söderling explains.
As for the rest he's laying low:
-I have said what I wanted to say, many times over. As far as I'm concerned, this is finished business.

Dad at the meeting.
During the press conference at Kungliga Tennishallen Bo Söderling is standing a bit back in the room. He was there when his son met with the chairman of Tennis Sweden, Tony Wiréhn, to explain his stance on the conflist with his DC team mates. At the meeting was also Per Hjertquist from IMG.
-Robin got to tell his version of the events. It's a shame both sides of the matter haven't come forth before, says Bo Söderling.

"Wasn't treated with respect"
He thinks there is a age hierarchy in the DC team and calls it "kindergarten like"
-The older players have demanded that Robin should subordinate himself since he's the youngest. He hasn't accepted this situation. Can you demand respect from him, if his teammates don't treat him with respect? Bo Söderling asks.
He also put part of blame for the fight on DC captain Mats Wilander.
-This is a managment issue, that's my opinion.
Has Robin spoken with Wilander since the India tie?
-Yes, Wilander called him up last week excusing himself. He has only phoned Robin once before in his time as DC captain. That was before the France tie this winter. Robin was in the Milan final, but Wilander didn't know. He thought Robin was injured.

Christofer Brask

Aphex
10-11-2005, 11:09 PM
:eek: Söderling is winning this fight. Wilander has only spoken with him once!?

Aphex
10-11-2005, 11:31 PM
http://expressen.se/expressen/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=450671

Wilander:"I have my way of working"

"A managment issue" Rodin Söderling's dad calls the fight in the DC team.
-I have my way of working, Mats Wilander answers, who's abiding his time when it comes to his future as DC captain.

Mats Wilander explains why he hasn't called Robin Söderling more often:
-I don't have much contact with any of the players. They have their own coaches and other people in their entourage, that's enough.
Do you have any considerations when it comes to Söderling turning down the DC qualis against India to play an ATP tournament instead?
-No. I have no considerations about this story whatsoever. Only I think it's sad the press got hold of it and we couldn't keep the lid on it in the team.
Are quarrels in the DC team something new?
-Well, sometimes i was called a "cheap smålännning" by my teammates...only kidding, what's new is that it's out in the open.
How do you regard your future as DC captain?
-We'll see, we'll see. It's seems like other issues are on the agenda right now, says Wilander referring to the current Söderling conflict.
What will make you decide?
-Many different parts: myself, the players, Tennis Sweden...It'll probably take a week, two at the most. Hopefully we can make a decision during the Stockholm Open.

Christofer Brask

enqvistfan
10-12-2005, 08:48 AM
Well, Söderling didn't respect his team mates. It's not very clever to refuse a selection telling that he was injured. Other Swedes would have accepted even if it was to support from the bench his team mates. Instead, he prefered to play in Thailand and we know the result, now, he has to go under surgery. It would have been better for him just to stay and support his colleagues (I won't say his friends :lol: Apparently, the youngs want to privilege their own carrier. I totally understand Vinci who cancell some tournaments to be in India. I really hope he'll be back in the team very often. Robin is so strange and still maybe a bit too young.

delsa
10-12-2005, 12:47 PM
And what about Grosjean declining a selection because he was "mentally and physically tired" or rather because he prefered to be in holidays with his family...
OK he was honest in a way but he could have announced it earlier and i doubt he was "so exhausted"...
As it was said, he hurt his team who could have won their quaterfinal tie with him...
This is not the first time a player find bad excuses not to play in DC.

ginny_legend
10-12-2005, 12:56 PM
at least soderling puts effort in unlike wimpy clay courters who don't give a fuck.

Chloe le Bopper
10-12-2005, 05:24 PM
at least soderling puts effort in unlike wimpy clay courters who don't give a fuck.
Er, yeah, that was relevant :retard:

revolution
10-12-2005, 05:27 PM
at least soderling puts effort in unlike wimpy clay courters who don't give a fuck.

hmm.. try Stepanek or one of those responsible for the Czech world group relegation for someone who 'doesn't give a fuck'

Horatio Caine
10-12-2005, 07:27 PM
hmm.. try Stepanek or one of those responsible for the Czech world group relegation for someone who 'doesn't give a fuck'

Unless I am wrong, stepanek hasn't played DC at all this year and announced his decision at the end of last year / beginning of this year. In which case he cannot be held at all responsible for the Czech relegation. It is their problem that they didn't have more in-form players for the tie.

Soderling is the one at fault. He should have at least been on the bench for his tie or shouldn't have played tennis at all. As it is it seems he has now re-injured himself for being so daft...or else he doesn't want to face the music back home.