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Hagar
09-25-2005, 04:28 PM
At 2*-3 in the fifth set. Ollie smashes and BEFORE the ball hits the court, A-Rod yells that it's out. It was THIRTY centimeters in. And A-Rod KNEW it. But instead of giving the point to Ollie, he accepted the game point.
And this killed a match which was until then very enjoyable.

BIG BOO FOR A-ROD and the team from the USA! :(

David Kenzie
09-25-2005, 04:32 PM
Was the ball called out by the line judge or the umpire ? If not why would Roddick win the point ?

Penguin
09-25-2005, 04:36 PM
The way I saw it was that only Andy called the ball out! I m still sitting here, completely baffled...
It s really very upsetting that an otherwise excellent match was decided in such a horrile way...

stijntje
09-25-2005, 04:39 PM
you are just so unfair Roddick! :sad:

turt
09-25-2005, 04:40 PM
Definitely the USA should be ashamed of this! And the ITF officials too!

Andy yelled before the point was over, but Ollie smashed without a doubt in the court, and after some discussions the chairman gave the point (and the break!) to the USA! Unbelievable and totally unfair! I believe the USA needed this cheat to stay in the World Group, but they definitely didn't show any fair play in this...

SHAME ON YOU team USA! :mad:

savesthedizzle
09-25-2005, 04:42 PM
Sorry to interrupt the USA bashing, once I leave by all means continue, but the match was on clay, no? Didn't anyone go to check the mark? Rochus could have made them, since it was on clay.

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 04:43 PM
And the Roddick bashing continues :rolleyes:

Grinder
09-25-2005, 04:44 PM
It's not Roddick's fault blame the officiating.

jes_021
09-25-2005, 04:44 PM
Definitely the USA should be ashamed of this! And the ITF officials too!

Andy yelled before the point was over, but Ollie smashed without a doubt in the court, and after some discussions the chairman gave the point (and the break!) to the USA! Unbelievable and totally unfair! I believe the USA needed this cheat to stay in the World Group, but they definitely didn't show any fair play in this...

SHAME ON YOU team USA! :mad:

Ollie really hasn't been lucky lately. In his match against Fed at the USO a shot from Fed was far out and was overruled as in by the chairman. :rolleyes:

And now this little stunt from Andy. Did the guy really need this to win, like all those aces weren't enough for him :rolleyes:

turt
09-25-2005, 04:45 PM
Sorry to interrupt the USA bashing, once I leave by all means continue, but the match was on clay, no? Didn't anyone go to check the mark? Rochus could have made them, since it was on clay.
But the chairman AND the lineswoman didn't see the ball!!!! It was on the chairman's side of the court but he couldn't see it!!! Really the judge's fault too! But Andy should have given the point instead of accepting that stolen game

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 04:47 PM
The match turned Roddick's way in the fifth set when Rochus missed the easiest of volleys to give the American a 4-2 lead. The Belgians disputed the call but finally relented.


I don't get what you guys are talking about:shrug:

stijntje
09-25-2005, 04:48 PM
It's not Roddick's fault blame the officiating.

that's bullshit...

what about fairplay between the players?!
he did show he doesn't have any!

and all my respect to Roddick disappeared after that 'situation'

I'll hope he'll get a serious injuriy soon and can't play for a while!!!

turt
09-25-2005, 04:49 PM
The match turned Roddick's way in the fifth set when Rochus missed the easiest of volleys to give the American a 4-2 lead. The Belgians disputed the call but finally relented.


I don't get what you guys are talking about:shrug:
Well this is a good piece of deliberately wrong match report :tape:

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 04:50 PM
that's bullshit...

what about fairplay between the players?!
he did show he doesn't have any!

and all my respect to Roddick disappeared after that 'situation'

I'll hope he'll get a serious injuriy soon and can't play for a while!!!
Geeeeeeeez what a lame and sore loser we've got here :rolleyes:
I hope you injure your finger and don't post here for a while!!!

Hagar
09-25-2005, 04:50 PM
I would have been perfectly able to live with the final result if it wasn't for this idiotic phase. The thing is judge nor linesperson saw it, that smash went like lightning so fast it was. What should have been done was Andy giving the point to Ollie, or second best at least accepting to replay the point.
I have seen a lot of tennismatches and this is simply the most disgraceful thing I have ever seen.
You know, Andy had 2 BPs and this happened on the first. If he would have given this point to Ollie (normal thing to do coz the bloody smash was in and EVERYBODY saw it, and the replay showed it), he still was a BP up.

This phase will be kept and pursue Andy for the rest of his career. BIG BOO for Andy!!!

nkhera1
09-25-2005, 04:51 PM
that's bullshit...

what about fairplay between the players?!
he did show he doesn't have any!

and all my respect to Roddick disappeared after that 'situation'

I'll hope he'll get a serious injuriy soon and can't play for a while!!!

And you just lost all credibility you ever had. I don't even wish injury on my worst enemies.

Grinder
09-25-2005, 04:51 PM
that's bullshit...

what about fairplay between the players?!
he did show he doesn't have any!

and all my respect to Roddick disappeared after that 'situation'

I'll hope he'll get a serious injuriy soon and can't play for a while!!!
Yeah...

I'm sure Roddick is crushed now that he's lost you're respect

Arcadion
09-25-2005, 04:51 PM
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Allez-H²
09-25-2005, 04:52 PM
The match turned Roddick's way in the fifth set when Rochus missed the easiest of volleys to give the American a 4-2 lead. The Belgians disputed the call but finally relented.


I don't get what you guys are talking about:shrug:
Yeah, change volley into smash and missed with in with a margin. They could've atleast replayed the point but they just gave it on such a crucial point of the match :rolleyes: That's just plain wrong

BiancaUL
09-25-2005, 04:52 PM
Wishing people injury is not cool. It just makes you a bigger ass than you proclaim the one you're wishing to be injured to be.

But the chairman AND the lineswoman didn't see the ball!!!!

Even if they didn't get a good look at whether it was in or out initially, why couldn't they have checked the mark?

great smash
09-25-2005, 04:53 PM
I was present at the match.

Truly big mistake, for which the umpire is to blame.

It's a pitty didn't offer to replay the point. He was clearly hesitating.

Such an anti climax...

I do hope the umpire will lose his badge over this. It would say it was the mose clear error I ever witnessed.

s.m.
09-25-2005, 04:54 PM
It's not Roddick's fault blame the officiating.

no he is to blame for constantly putting pressure on officials on just about every tournament, or match, with his spoiled brat type of behaviour
he acts like f...... george w bush
he needs to shut up, and grow up

turt
09-25-2005, 04:54 PM
Geeeeeeeez what a lame and sore loser we've got here :rolleyes:
I hope you injure your finger and don't post here for a while!!!
Well, the little Belgian fights for 4 hours and a half, and then loses serve because of a stolen point from both the officials and the USA team members. He can't break back because of Andy's terrific serve and ends up losing the match because of this unbelievable mistake, and you say we should get over it? Well you f*** off!

It's definitely unfair and had you seen the match you would agree with all of us :tape:

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 04:55 PM
It surely was a match with lot's of complaints and fighting :shrug: :o
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star
09-25-2005, 04:55 PM
But the chairman AND the lineswoman didn't see the ball!!!! It was on the chairman's side of the court but he couldn't see it!!! Really the judge's fault too! But Andy should have given the point instead of accepting that stolen game

What about the MARK? I've not seen a disputed call on clay where they didn't check the mark.

Oh well, I'll see it later on today, so I'll get to see it for myself.

turt
09-25-2005, 04:55 PM
Wishing people injury is not cool. It just makes you a bigger ass than you proclaim the one you're wishing to be injured to be.



Even if they didn't get a good look at whether it was in or out initially, why couldn't they have checked the mark?
Because they didn't even have a clue where it landed :tape:
Never seen such a mistake with these consequences...

star: the referee didn't find the mark! Can you believe it! I hope you see the point and then we will agree that it's such a terrible mistake!

stijntje
09-25-2005, 04:56 PM
no he is to blame for constantly putting pressure on officials on just about every tournament, or match, with his spoiled brat type of behaviour
he acts like f...... george w bush
he needs to shut up, and grow up

lol

I like the Roddick - Bush comparision...

two BLOODY, FUCKING assholes!!!

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 04:57 PM
This phase will be kept and pursue Andy for the rest of his career. BIG BOO for Andy!!!
Thanks in large part to people like you whose job it is to turn molehills into mountains.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/justgoto/leftards/wambulance.gif

:lol:

great smash
09-25-2005, 04:58 PM
Because they didn't even have a clue where it landed :tape:
Never seen such a mistake with these consequences...

True, after the lineswoman declared she had seen the ball out, the umpire didn't dare to question that judgement anymore.

I can only repeat: one of the clearest errors I've ever seen

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 04:58 PM
Well, the little Belgian fights for 4 hours and a half, and then loses serve because of a stolen point from both the officials and the USA team members. He can't break back because of Andy's terrific serve and ends up losing the match because of this unbelievable mistake, and you say we should get over it? Well you f*** off!

It's definitely unfair and had you seen the match you would agree with all of us :tape:
:rolleyes: same to you dude......but do we really have to get this far?:shrug: Unfair things are always happening in life you know :angel:

BiancaUL
09-25-2005, 04:58 PM
no he is to blame for constantly putting pressure on officials on just about every tournament, or match, with his spoiled brat type of behaviour

Oh please. Almost every player on tour pitches fits over perceived bad calls. Somehow Roddick has power that almost everyone else lacks to actually influence with his pissy fits?

Riiight.

Arcadion
09-25-2005, 04:59 PM
I'll hope he'll get a serious injuriy soon and can't play for a while!!!
Evil much?
I think so.

turt
09-25-2005, 04:59 PM
:rolleyes: same to you dude......but do we really have to get this far?:shrug: Unfair things are always happening in life you know :angel:
Well, great players don't need to cheat to get out of trouble. Thus Andy is not a great player.

He should have given the point for the sole reason he shouted before the point was over! Then should have given the point because the smash landed in the court without discussion!

Penguin
09-25-2005, 05:00 PM
The match turned Roddick's way in the fifth set when Rochus missed the easiest of volleys to give the American a 4-2 lead. The Belgians disputed the call but finally relented.


I don't get what you guys are talking about:shrug:

Now I dont agree with the strong words some of my fellow Belgians are using, but I do understand where they're coming from... This quote above is just absolutely hilarious! I hope someone sends you a video of the point, and you ll see how this quote is just as twisted as the American fair-play and the umpire's competence...

star
09-25-2005, 05:01 PM
awwww Stijntje. I'm gonna forgive you because I know you are upset, but wishing injury on a player is never cool.

Once upon a time, some people wanted to ban an Andy fan because they interpeted her post as wishing an injury on a player (although she didn't), but I guess it's ok if someone wishes injury on Andy. :lol:

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 05:01 PM
And the bashing continues.......the better team won.

BiancaUL
09-25-2005, 05:01 PM
Because they didn't even have a clue where it landed

Then that is totally on them. The other player shouldn't have to do double duty out there.

It was bad officiating (if it happened like you claim). It sucks, but it happens to everyone at some point.

star
09-25-2005, 05:02 PM
Now I dont agree with the strong words some of my fellow Belgians are using, but I do understand where they're coming from... This quote above is just absolutely hilarious! I hope someone sends you a video of the point, and you ll see how this quote is just as twisted as the American fair-play and the umpire's competence...

It's going to be shown right now on TV. I'm sure they will show that point as well. Thanks for being fair minded about it. Maybe you can tell us why they didn't check the mark.

Grinder
09-25-2005, 05:03 PM
Oh well, Blake would have beaten Vliegen or Christophe Rochus anyway.

Black Adam
09-25-2005, 05:03 PM
Now I dont agree with the strong words some of my fellow Belgians are using, but I do understand where they're coming from... This quote above is just absolutely hilarious! I hope someone sends you a video of the point, and you ll see how this quote is just as twisted as the American fair-play and the umpire's competence...
Well when people are angry they say all sorts of things ;)
I that quote came from DC site.

turt
09-25-2005, 05:03 PM
Then that is totally on them. The other player shouldn't have to do double duty out there.

It was bad officiating (if it happened like you claim). It sucks, but it happens to everyone at some point.
I'm going to repeat myself, but Andy should have given the point for the sole reason he shouted before the point was over! Then should have given the point because the smash landed in the court without discussion!

The officials did a terrible mistake, but Andy cheated. How the combination of both gave the break to the USA, I still don't understand :confused:

great smash
09-25-2005, 05:03 PM
Now I dont agree with the strong words some of my fellow Belgians are using, but I do understand where they're coming from... This quote above is just absolutely hilarious! I hope someone sends you a video of the point, and you ll see how this quote is just as twisted as the American fair-play and the umpire's competence...

Very true. The only one I really blame is the umpire. He just made a huge professional error.

I do regret this kind of description of the point: One really shouldn't question whether the ball was in: IT WAS

Penguin
09-25-2005, 05:04 PM
And the bashing continues.......the better team won.

shouldnt this thread be limited to people who actually saw the point? :confused:

This is not your everyday Andy/USA bashing, once you watch the entire match, and understand how tight it was, and then watch this CRUCIAL point, and see how it was no more than STOLEN from the Belgians, you will understand why some people in here cannot control their emotions :wavey:

turt
09-25-2005, 05:06 PM
I'd like to point out that I've never been in the Andy bashing bandwagon before today, but today was just too much and unfair

star
09-25-2005, 05:08 PM
Penguin, I do understand why people are so emotional because it was a tight match and Davis Cup makes people even more emotional. Plus, I always get a little upset when someone is beating Ollie because he's so little and cute. :) :)

So, thanks for being a fair poster and expressing yourself without name calling.

purple_star
09-25-2005, 05:08 PM
I like the Roddick - Bush comparision...


my sentiments exactly. :haha:
funny, i saw bush on tv last night and i remembered andy.. dont know why. :confused:

Penguin
09-25-2005, 05:09 PM
It's going to be shown right now on TV. I'm sure they will show that point as well. Thanks for being fair minded about it. Maybe you can tell us why they didn't check the mark.

thats the problem... I do not understand why they never even looked for a mark. There was a huge discussion and I though the umpire was contemplating to replay the point (which would have been a terrible decision as well, as Andy was the only one who called the ball out, BEFORE it even landed in the court). Then all of the sudden the umpire says:'game USA' :confused:

The worst thing is: before the discussion, Andy had already moved to the ad side, ready to receive Oliviers next serve... And you really did see the guilt on his face when the umpire suddenly said 'game USA'

great smash
09-25-2005, 05:11 PM
thats the problem... I do not understand why they never even looked for a mark. There was a huge discussion and I though the umpire was contemplating to replay the point (which would have been a terrible decision as well, as Andy was the only one who called the ball out, BEFORE it even landed in the court). Then all of the sudden the umpire says:'game USA' :confused:

The worst thing is: before the discussion, Andy had already moved to the ad side, ready to receive Oliviers next serve... And you really did see the guilt on his face when the umpire suddenly said 'game USA'

true, after the call, 'game USA' you could see he didn't like it. Talked to McEnroe about it, but then took the game in the end

s.m.
09-25-2005, 05:12 PM
Oh please. Almost every player on tour pitches fits over perceived bad calls. Somehow Roddick has power that almost everyone else lacks to actually influence with his pissy fits?

Riiight.

go on and continue to live in that bubble
roddick the person is anoying to any objective tennis fan
i have seen the way he talks to officials
people that are 30 yaers older than him
he is a spolied brat, who has a great lack of culture

Hagar
09-25-2005, 05:13 PM
And the bashing continues.......the better team won.

Come on!!! This is not about the fact that the USA won. Nobody here is saying that the USA would have lost if they gave that point to Belgium. The fact is that Andy shouted during the point and should therefore have given it to Belgium.
As me and other said it, it was a enjoyable match that could have gone either way but this is a dirty spot on the result. AND on Andy coz this scene is on tape and will be repeated during his career!!!

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Last Wednesday, in the round of sixteen at the Rome Masters, Fernando Verdasco of Spain was serving to America's top player, Andy Roddick. Verdasco had lost the first set and was down 5-3, love-40 -- triple match point. After he hit deep on the second serve, the line judge called the ball out and Roddick had the match.

Only, Roddick refused to accept the point. Verdasco's serve had nicked the line, he said. Stunned, the umpire let Roddick overrule him. Verdasco then fought back, held serve, won the set and then the match. Sports Illustrateds Frank Deford

most players just "play the calls

star
09-25-2005, 05:17 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Andy has had plenty hissyfits on tape.

User id 7816
09-25-2005, 05:18 PM
At 2*-3 in the fifth set. Ollie smashes and BEFORE the ball hits the court, A-Rod yells that it's out.

can someone explain to me, HOW THE HELL can a player AFFORD to shout a damn call themselves???? I must be really stupid but I really cant comprehend this.


It was THIRTY centimeters in. And A-Rod KNEW it. But instead of giving the point to Ollie, he accepted the game point.
And this killed a match which was until then very enjoyable.

BIG BOO FOR A-ROD and the team from the USA! :(

lets say Roddick dediced not to be fair play this time, but neither the linesman nor the umpire saw suspision in a ball thats 30 cms in????..sorry??? I'm lost.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 05:19 PM
Sports Illustrateds Frank Deford

How many players just "play the calls?" Roddick has always been very fair.

jezus guy... if you would have seen the match between Roddick and Rochus, or at least that one point, you wouldn't say those things...

Roddick just behaved like a stupid asshole and really lost all my and many others' credibility !!!

Hagar
09-25-2005, 05:21 PM
I'm going to repeat myself, but Andy should have given the point for the sole reason he shouted before the point was over! Then should have given the point because the smash landed in the court without discussion!

Exactly.

As I said, I've seen a couple of tennismatches in my life but I've never seen anything like this. At first, I thought it was a joke!

s.m.
09-25-2005, 05:21 PM
Last Wednesday, in the round of sixteen at the Rome Masters, Fernando Verdasco of Spain was serving to America's top player, Andy Roddick. Verdasco had lost the first set and was down 5-3, love-40 -- triple match point. After he hit deep on the second serve, the line judge called the ball out and Roddick had the match.

Only, Roddick refused to accept the point. Verdasco's serve had nicked the line, he said. Stunned, the umpire let Roddick overrule him. Verdasco then fought back, held serve, won the set and then the match.[I][QUOTE] Sports Illustrateds Frank Deford

How many players just "play the calls?" Roddick has always been very fair.


i watched that match
ref was just going to go down and check the line
it was an obvious ace
he was not going to give the point to roddick
line judge said it was fault, main didn´t say nothing
roddick didn´t show anything than
he just saved some time

great smash
09-25-2005, 05:22 PM
can someone explain to me, HOW THE HELL can a player AFFORD to shout a damn call themselves???? I must be really stupid but I really cant comprehend this.



lets say Roddick dediced not to be fair play this time, but neither the linesman nor the umpire saw suspision in a ball thats 30 cms in????..sorry??? I'm lost.


At least you should see the point yourself.

I'm sure it will be available online soon!

Penguin
09-25-2005, 05:23 PM
can someone explain to me, HOW THE HELL can a player AFFORD to shout a damn call themselves???? I must be really stupid but I really cant comprehend this.
lets say Roddick dediced not to be fair play this time, but neither the linesman nor the umpire saw suspision in a ball thats 30 cms in????..sorry??? I'm lost.

So is everyone who did see the match! :o There's just one thing to say:

?HUH?

RonE
09-25-2005, 05:23 PM
Well, it appears Andy's mojo is back..... with a vengeance :tape:

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:25 PM
well whatever the case, whether andy acted improper or not, I haven't seen the point yet, I am watching the match on ESPN and Ollie Rochus was standing toe to toe with roddick. I'm impressed

stijntje
09-25-2005, 05:27 PM
well whatever the case, whether andy acted improper or not, I haven't seen the point yet, I am watching the match on ESPN and Ollie Rochus was standing toe to toe with roddick. I'm impressed

believe me!
I already saw the point, and that American did act like a stupid child by not giving the point to Rochus!!!

User id 7816
09-25-2005, 05:28 PM
At least you should see the point yourself.

I'm sure it will be available online soon!

yeah i'd like to...it sounds too weird.

great smash
09-25-2005, 05:28 PM
well whatever the case, whether andy acted improper or not, I haven't seen the point yet, I am watching the match on ESPN and Ollie Rochus was standing toe to toe with roddick. I'm impressed

Well, don't focus on Andy.

It's the umpire job to make the proper call. He didn't.

Penguin
09-25-2005, 05:29 PM
well whatever the case, whether andy acted improper or not, I haven't seen the point yet, I am watching the match on ESPN and Ollie Rochus was standing toe to toe with roddick. I'm impressed

glad someone is actually watching the match... please let us know how you perceive this particular point once you get to it (2-3 15-40, final set). it would be nice to have an objective American perspective as well :)

stijntje
09-25-2005, 05:30 PM
Well, don't focus on Andy.

It's the umpire job to make the proper call. He didn't.


and what about the fair play between two players?

how do you feel if Rochus wouldn't give a point to Roddick that he really deserved?!

liptea
09-25-2005, 05:31 PM
believe me!


Maybe we'll wait to watch it ourselves k thanks bye.

star
09-25-2005, 05:31 PM
well whatever the case, whether andy acted improper or not, I haven't seen the point yet, I am watching the match on ESPN and Ollie Rochus was standing toe to toe with roddick. I'm impressed

Ollie is wonderful. I mean, when you watch him play you cant' help but like him. :)

Ollie also broke Andy's serve. So much for the claim that Ollie had no chance to break Andy in the final game.

Stijntje, you've kind of lost credibility with me with all of your name calling and wishing injury on a player. I hope you calm down and we can all discuss the point when we've seen it.

Wojtek
09-25-2005, 05:32 PM
Well, great players don't need to cheat to get out of trouble. Thus Andy is not a great player.

He should have given the point for the sole reason he shouted before the point was over! Then should have given the point because the smash landed in the court without discussion!

I agree. I don't think Roger will scream Out in the same situation. Roddick was, is and will be fucking asshole.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:32 PM
oh hey as for the roddick bush comparison? I don't think roddick is responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent people

liptea
09-25-2005, 05:33 PM
how do you feel if Rochus wouldn't give a point to Roddick that he really deserved?!

Maybe..it isn't the player's job to do that. If anything, Andy isn't to blame here; it's the linespeople that took his word for it, or the chairperson that didn't get down and check the mark. And yeah, maybe Andy shouldn't have shouted a line call for himself. But a player doesn't call his own lines, the professionals around the court do.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:33 PM
Ollie is wonderful. I mean, when you watch him play you cant' help but like him. :)

he's cute too :drool:

great smash
09-25-2005, 05:33 PM
and what about the fair play between two players?

how do you feel if Rochus wouldn't give a point to Roddick that he really deserved?!

I regret he didn't give the point. But I was there in the audience with a friend who said: It's war, he should take the point.

I don't agree with this, but still I blame the umpire, after all, he made a big mistake, and I'm sure Andy doesn't feel good about this

star
09-25-2005, 05:33 PM
glad someone is actually watching the match... please let us know how you perceive this particular point once you get to it (2-3 15-40, final set). it would be nice to have an objective American perspective as well :)

It already sounds as if the officials blew it from your description. The question is whether a player is obligated to give the point to an opponent.

I've seen players give up the point and I've seen them not give up the point. I've been mad a players who didn't give up the point, and I've not been mad at them. I think if you want the player who got rooked to get the point, you get mad, and if not, you don't. Just what I've seen from my own experience.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 05:34 PM
oh hey as for the roddick bush comparison? I don't think roddick is responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent people

but they do both look like monkeys! ;)

jes_021
09-25-2005, 05:34 PM
I just feel sad for the guy that he needs to act like this to win his points.

star
09-25-2005, 05:34 PM
he's cute too :drool:

Very cute -- Even if I am taller than he is. ;)

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 05:34 PM
I'm always amazed how people overreact to bad line calls, particularly when a player they dislike is in the center of the storm. You'd think this was the first time in ATP history that a horrendous call was made during a high-pressure match. And of course, it's aaalll Roddick's fault because only Roddick is allowed to make calls on clay and all the linespeople and chair ums simply kotow to him. :lol:

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:35 PM
but they do both look like monkeys! ;)

one i would like to spank, the other i would like to choke :devil:

jes_021
09-25-2005, 05:35 PM
It already sounds as if the officials blew it from your description. The question is whether a player is obligated to give the point to an opponent.

I've seen players give up the point and I've seen them not give up the point. I've been mad a players who didn't give up the point, and I've not been mad at them. I think if you want the player who got rooked to get the point, you get mad, and if not, you don't. Just what I've seen from my own experience.

I think the point is more that Andy already called the ball out before it even hit the court ;)

liptea
09-25-2005, 05:38 PM
I think the point is more that Andy already called the ball out before it even hit the court ;)

thanks for trying, but no. the point is that it doesn't even matter what Andy calls. It's not his job, and no one was obligated to listen to him.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:38 PM
btw I am at 4-2 3rd set so it will take a while to get there, thats if ESPN doesn't cut out the point...

arn
09-25-2005, 05:38 PM
I saw the point, very difficult to judge when you are a linesman, cos Rochus smashed the ball really hard with an angle (but clearly in when seen on television) . But it's also clear Roddick knew the ball was in, he already went to the ad-side of the court to receive.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 05:39 PM
thanks for trying, but no. the point is that it doesn't even matter what Andy calls. It's not his job, and no one was obligated to listen to him.

is that you defense?

sorry, but that's just nothing...
just see that one point first before you try to make some comments about it please!

NYCtennisfan
09-25-2005, 05:40 PM
Clearly Roddick should be banned from the ATP, stripped of all of his titles, and made to serve a two year term as a ball boy to learn the proper respect of the game that he so clearly lacks.

That's what this evil man deserves. He is EVIL!!!!!!

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:42 PM
Andy roddick really, really, really, really ,really, really, really, REALLY SUCKS on clay

ok, i know this is nothing new but i had to relieve myself

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 05:42 PM
I just saw the point and it was indeed a bad call by the lines people, hitting the inner side of the line. Too bad that this should happen at such a crucial point in the fifth set but it's not the first annoying bad call and it won't be the last.

Olivier Rochus said that it's a bit frustrating to end such a match like that but those things happen in sports.
No idea how Roddick behaved about this but he was in a good position to see that the ball was in. I have seen enough players call back a judgement even if the call was to their benefit but I don't blame Roddick for not recalling it. It wasn't his job...it would have been great if he did but it wasn't his duty to do so.

I don't think Christophe or Kristof would have much chance to beat Blake anyway but it would have been fun to at least have that opportunity. Maybe Malisse would have been able to do so but...he wasn't in the team.

turt
09-25-2005, 05:48 PM
Well the referee made the biggest mistake: according to the ITF rules (Appendix 5):
A line umpire who cannot make a call shall signal this immediately to the chair
umpire who shall make a decision. If the line umpire can not make a call, or if there
is no line umpire, and the chair umpire can not make a decision on a question of
fact, the point shall be replayed.
Since neither the lineswoman nor the chairman did see the point, it should at least have been replayed (which would have been a stolen point too anyway), but to give it to the USA is beyond understanding!

Andy did a fault too because he shouted before the point ended. Had Olivier's ball been out, Olivier still could have won the point according to the ITF rules (same appendix):
Case 8: A ball is blown back over the net and the player correctly reaches over the
net to try to play the ball. The opponent(s) hinders the player from doing this. What
is the correct decision?
Decision: The chair umpire must decide if the hindrance was deliberate or
unintentional and either awards the point to the hindered player or order the point
to be replayed.

So definitely there's no explanation why the point was given to the USA :confused:

buddyholly
09-25-2005, 05:49 PM
Andy roddick really, really, really, really ,really, really, really, REALLY SUCKS on clay

ok, i know this is nothing new but i had to relieve myself

He makes you pee your pants, does he?

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:51 PM
I just watched Roddick at 4 all in the 3rd set have a fit at the Belgian coach because he stood up when Ollie fell down during the first point of the game.... It does seem at this point in the match Andy was acting a bit of ...ahem... a brat

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 05:52 PM
He makes you pee your pants, does he?

he makes me do a lot of things in my pants :devil:

star
09-25-2005, 05:53 PM
Wow. That was a great running forehand passing shot from about 8 feet behind the baseline. (Andy hit it.) :)

s.m.
09-25-2005, 05:53 PM
oh hey as for the roddick bush comparison? I don't think roddick is responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent people

i talk about attitude
sheriff, cowboy
roddick is the same, but only a tennis player

buddyholly
09-25-2005, 05:54 PM
Andy did a fault too because he shouted before the point ended. Had Olivier's ball been out, Olivier still could have won the point according to the ITF rules (same appendix):

Are you trying to say a shout is a hindrance? What about Guga's grunt? What about the shouts of ''out'' as a signal to your doubles partner? I don't think a shout is a hindrance, otherwise grunting would have to be banned. Why couldn't Andy have a grunt that sounds like ''out''. I always heard Seles shout ''Henri'', but it doesn't mean she had the hots for Forget.

star
09-25-2005, 05:55 PM
i talk about attitude
sheriff, cowboy
roddick is the same, but only a tennis player

What do you know about sheriffs or cowboys outside the movies? Maybe you should live around some of each before making such statements.

Andy isn't in the least like a cowboy, and certainly not like a sheriff.

s.m.
09-25-2005, 05:56 PM
Clearly Roddick should be banned from the ATP, stripped of all of his titles, and made to serve a two year term as a ball boy to learn the proper respect of the game that he so clearly lacks.

That's what this evil man deserves. He is EVIL!!!!!!

he is not even a man
he´s a brat
a spoiled brat

star
09-25-2005, 05:57 PM
Are you trying to say a shout is a hindrance? What about Guga's grunt? What about the shouts of ''out'' as a signal to your doubles partner? I don't think a shout is a hindrance, otherwise grunting would have to be banned. Why couldn't Andy have a grunt that sounds like ''out''. I always heard Seles shout ''Henri'', but it doesn't mean she had the hots for Forget.

:lol:

Anyway, I was thinking the same thing, but thought it not worthwhile to mention.

Many players also shout out as a point is ending (but before it actually ends) either because they think they have won or lost the point.

I'm losing count of how many times Ollie has broken Andy. This also doesn't give too much credibility to Stijntje.

buddyholly
09-25-2005, 05:58 PM
he makes me do a lot of things in my pants :devil:

Well, we're not in Non-tennis, so we have to be discrete, but the meaning was clear.

arn
09-25-2005, 05:58 PM
Are you trying to say a shout is a hindrance? What about Guga's grunt? What about the shouts of ''out'' as a signal to your doubles partner? I don't think a shout is a hindrance, otherwise grunting would have to be banned. Why couldn't Andy have a grunt that sounds like ''out''. I always heard Seles shout ''Henri'', but it doesn't mean she had the hots for Forget.

Shooting 'out' or 'in' before a call is made can influence a linecall in your favour. I don't think a grunt has that effect ;) I think Andy shooting out DID influence the linecall in this case.

star
09-25-2005, 05:59 PM
he is not even a man
he´s a brat
a spoiled brat

Please make up your mind. Is he a brat or a sheriff/cowboy? Can't be both. :lol:

Papakori
09-25-2005, 05:59 PM
still it was a good match, I was there but the Belgians booed Andy alot and jeered at him. I think at one point someone said to the umpire "Get out of the fucking way" or something rude like that

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 05:59 PM
Wow. That was a great running forehand passing shot from about 8 feet behind the baseline. (Andy hit it.) :)
Yes, it was. :D

I'm still confused as to what transpired at 4-4 in the third. Andy was mad at the Belgium captain for something. :confused: btw, this is the same captain who trash-talked Andy during the dinner.

Newswire:

The match turned Roddick's way in the fifth set when Rochus missed the easiest of volleys to give the American a 4-2 lead. Officials could not find the impact mark and went with the lineswoman's call. The Belgians disputed but finally relent

"I have never been so disappointed," Rochus said. "It could have gone either way. It was that close."

The match was the longest for the United States in 16 years and kept the capacity crowd of 3,500 spellbound.

"The crowd was going crazy," Roddick said.

With fans jeering every U.S. point after the crucial line call, the Americans left the court without celebrating.

"It would have been unprofessional," Roddick said. "You don't want that quality of a match to end like that. You would not want to rub it in people's faces."

There goes the US team being cheating jerks again.

s.m.
09-25-2005, 06:00 PM
What do you know about sheriffs or cowboys outside the movies? Maybe you should live around some of each before making such statements.

Andy isn't in the least like a cowboy, and certainly not like a sheriff.

all metafors
i am the world
i am the man
all i say goes
it will me my way or no way
that attitude
if you don´t get that, than that is your problem

star
09-25-2005, 06:00 PM
Well, we're not in Non-tennis, so we have to be discrete, but the meaning was clear.

Since when has being in GM stopped people from making explicit sexual comments?

I'd love to see how you guys talk around 13 year-olds in real life.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:01 PM
Shooting 'out' or 'in' before a call is made can influence a linecall in your favour. I don't think a grunt has that effect ;) I think Andy shooting out DID influence the linecall in this case.

J2H calls balls all the time, how come no one bitches when she does it?

Neely
09-25-2005, 06:01 PM
Please make up your mind. Is he a brat or a sheriff/cowboy? Can't be both. :lol:
:yeah: :lol:

star
09-25-2005, 06:02 PM
all metafors
i am the world
i am the man
all i say goes
it will me my way or no way
that attitude
if you don´t get that, than that is your problem

What does that have to do with sheriffs or cowboys? You clearly have no experience with either, so, I would guess that's your problem.

star
09-25-2005, 06:03 PM
J2H calls balls all the time, how come no one bitches when she does it?

I take it this question was rhetorical. :lol:

star
09-25-2005, 06:03 PM
God, Ollie is cute!

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:03 PM
Since when has being in GM stopped people from making explicit sexual comments?

I'd love to see how you guys talk around 13 year-olds in real life.

is there a real life 13ager in here? if so I apologize for my comments and will act more dignified :p

s.m.
09-25-2005, 06:05 PM
What does that have to do with sheriffs or cowboys? You clearly have no experience with either, so, I would guess that's your problem.

you are either dumb, or you are really bored
either way :wavey:

star
09-25-2005, 06:05 PM
The place is filled to the gills with young teenagers.

I mean, how old do you think Stijntje is? :lol:

Matthias13
09-25-2005, 06:06 PM
When Ollie smashed the ball the umpire gave the point to Belguim, but then the line judge said she didn't saw the ball. The umpire than didn't find a mark and instead of replaying the point they gave the game to the USA. What a disgrease. It killed the match. I wil never look the same at Roddick, who I used to like.

liptea
09-25-2005, 06:06 PM
is that you defense?

sorry, but that's just nothing...
just see that one point first before you try to make some comments about it please!

I know I haven't seen the point. But I don't understand people that are like, "wtf andy needs to call his lines correctly." Because that isn't his job. No one HAD to listen to him, even if Andy shouldn't have called the ball on his own. Andy's call doesn't overrule a chair umpire or a linesperson.

arn
09-25-2005, 06:07 PM
J2H calls balls all the time, how come no one bitches when she does it?

Normally shooting 'out' doesn't pose a real problem, but sometimes it does. If I were the one in charge, I would say it's not permitted at all so we would not have these kind of discussions ;)

star
09-25-2005, 06:09 PM
you are either dumb, or you are really bored
either way :wavey:

hmmm. I live around cowboys and I know the sheriff very well. How does that make me stupid? I think maybe you are the one engaging in rather stupid stereotyping without knowing a damn thing about it. :lol:

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 06:09 PM
When Ollie smashed the ball the umpire gave the point to Belguim, but then the line judge said she didn't saw the ball. The umpire than didn't find a mark and instead of replaying the point they gave the game to the USA. What a disgrease. It killed the match. I wil never look the same at Roddick, who I used to like.
Brilliant logic. The umpire apparently didn't do his job correctly and so it becomes all Roddick's fault.

1sun
09-25-2005, 06:10 PM
if what is said is true then i cant understand how people can defend roddick :shrug: roddick alot of the time does act like a jerk on the court but ive never really seen him be unsporting or a cheat. but i did not see the point so therefore i am assuming nothing on the subject.
on winning the match: roddick got lucky.

star
09-25-2005, 06:10 PM
Normally shooting 'out' doesn't pose a real problem, but sometimes it does. If I were the one in charge, I would say it's not permitted at all so we would not have these kind of discussions ;)

If I were the one in charge, so many things would change. I'd agree with you about that one, and then there's the whole injury time out/bathroom break thingy. :lol:

buddyholly
09-25-2005, 06:11 PM
When Ollie smashed the ball the umpire gave the point to Belguim, but then the line judge said she didn't saw the ball.

Tangy just quoted a newswire report that said the umpire went with the lineswoman's out call.
There are many conflicting accounts of the incident in this thread, but which one is correct? No-one seems to know for sure.

liptea
09-25-2005, 06:11 PM
Brilliant logic. The umpire apparently didn't do his job correctly and so it becomes all Roddick's fault.

NO YOU'RE WRONG. Obviously, it's the player's job to call all the lines, and when he shouts a word, everyone listens to him. That's why it's Andy's fault, JEEZ TANGY YOU'RE A MOOORRONN aNdY SUxxXxXx!!!!!ONE!!!ELEVEN!!!111

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:12 PM
If i was in charge the game would be played nude...
to make sure the on court attire isn't distracting to the other player of course :devil:

star
09-25-2005, 06:12 PM
When Ollie smashed the ball the umpire gave the point to Belguim, but then the line judge said she didn't saw the ball. The umpire than didn't find a mark and instead of replaying the point they gave the game to the USA. What a disgrease. It killed the match. I wil never look the same at Roddick, who I used to like.

Ok. It sounds as if the umpire should have replayed the point, but why is it Andy's fault that he didn't? That's where I get confused. Maybe it will become clear when I see the point.

star
09-25-2005, 06:14 PM
If i was in charge the game would be played nude...
to make sure the on court attire isn't distracting to the other player of course :devil:

I can go for short shorts, and perhaps no shirts, but that's as far as I go.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:17 PM
but radek stepanek and vince spadea would have to play in full sweats with bags over their heads

star
09-25-2005, 06:21 PM
No, they wouldn't be alowed to play. There would have to be try-outs to get to play. :lol:

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:22 PM
like american idol? that's how we're going to pick the next governor of kaleeforneea

croat123
09-25-2005, 06:26 PM
it's gonna be on american tv in like 30 minutes so you roddick fans can see what an asshole he is :)

star
09-25-2005, 06:28 PM
like american idol? that's how we're going to pick the next governor of kaleeforneea

You might do better that way. :)

Croat, it's on right now and in the 5th set too. Try to keep up, man.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:30 PM
it is 2-1 in the 4th set for me

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 06:31 PM
it's gonna be on american tv in like 30 minutes so you roddick fans can see what an asshole he is :)

he may be an asshole, but he's MY asshole :p

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 06:35 PM
A bit more news about this linecall thing:

Roddick sees USA through

Some might say it was just a Davis Cup by BNP Paribas World Group Playoff tie -just. With Croatia and the Slovak Republic gaining historic Finals berths, a USA win against Belgium isn’t that big a deal, right? Try telling that to anyone on Team USA, which managed to retain its position in the prestigious Davis Cup by BNP Paribas World Group.

Try telling that to anyone on the Belgian team, which lost in the Play-offs for a third consecutive year, and so must remain in Europe/Africa Group I. Try telling that to Olivier Rochus, who felt he lost his chance to upset world No. 3 Andy Roddick due to a line call that hardly anyone heard and a ball mark that no one could find.

“You fight for four hours, 20 minutes,” Rochus said. “I already lost two tiebreakers. I never played a match that was so close…to go out like this is tough. What can you do?

Even with his 67(4) 76(4) 76(5) 46 63 victory, which put the United States ahead 3-1, an insurmountable lead, Roddick was subdued, along with the entire U.S. team. Roddick didn’t thrust his arms in the air after Rochus netted his final forehand service return. Team USA merely walked on court to congratulate Roddick.

“To be honest, after what happened, it would have been unprofessional to go on and on,” Roddick said.

“The team came on court, but I said, ‘Let’s get out of here.’ It wouldn’t be right (to celebrate on court), especially because you don’t want that quality a match to end like that. If we celebrate as a team in a small little room, then we do. But I didn’t feel that was the right time or place to go on.”

In the end, a four-hour, 32 minute match, the longest match for an American team since the tie-break was instituted in Davis Cup in 1989, will be remembered for the incident that contributed to Roddick’s triumph. With Rochus serving at 2-3, 15-40 in the fifth set, the Belgian hit a penetrating forehand deep to Roddick’s backhand. Roddick threw up a lob and watched, helplessly, as Rochus lined up an overhead, which he crushed with ease crosscourt. The crowd, filling the Sportplaza Leuven better than it had all weekend, roared. But then the drama unfolded.

USA Captain Patrick McEnroe thought he saw the sideline judge motion that Rochus’ overhead was out. He brought it to the attention of chair umpire Sune Alenkaer. Then the sideline judge walked up. By this time, Rochus and Belgian Captain Steven Martens began to wonder what was going on.

With nobody able to find the mark, the original call had to stand, and the linejudge had indeed signalled the ball was out. So after several minutes of discussion, with lots of gesturing by the Belgians, Alenkaer climbed back into his chair and announced, “Game to USA.”

“The ball was not even touching the line,” Rochus said. “The umpire was so sure it was good he did not even see the mark. I don’t know how the linegirl could see it out.”

With the break, Roddick endured the suddenly hostile crowd, which had been well-behaved throughout the weekend, and held serve through the end of the match, punctuating his final service game with two of his 35 aces.

“It’s disappointing that controversy is going to surround a match of that level,” Roddick said.

Said McEnroe, “Let it be said that it’s not our job to make the calls. I understand their [the Belgians] being upset. But for them to be upset with us is pretty surprising. …It’s really not right that it ended the way it did with controversy.”

twahumboldt
09-25-2005, 06:37 PM
alright, im in the US viewing the match right now, and haven't got to the fifth set yet, but once again andy is showing disgusting behavior. He is berating the umpires, yelling at the Belgium coach, and the fans. Andy is utterly disgusting, i want the US to win, but i wish this ass would lose.

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 06:37 PM
You can watch a little video of it on vrtnieuws.net - click on tennis - then on meer in the orange topic 'België moet het hoofd buigen voor de VS' - then on video dag drie:

video dag drie - vrtnieuws (http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/sporza/nnII_sporza_start/index.shtml)
Sorry, I can't seem to give you a direct link

Belgian coach Martens said afterwards that the decision made by the linesperson to give the point to Roddick couldn't be overruled because the umpire didn't see the point and they could not find a mark on the clay, which is an odd decision according to the coach because "the ball was in".

1sun
09-25-2005, 06:38 PM
you can post all the articles you want, you aint gonna change anybodys opinions on the matter. you'll find articles saying roddick was an ass and articels saying roddick did nothing wrong. im sure your looking for the latter ones and posting them ;)

1sun
09-25-2005, 06:43 PM
cheers cast, but the video is very jolty

Matthias13
09-25-2005, 06:51 PM
Of course it wasn't Roddick fault that the line judge called the ball out, but Andy was so fair troughout the math that you might expect that he could give that ball in. Olivier did it several times on the Roddick's serve so why couldn't he? Of course, he wanted to win so badly but I still believe he wasn't acting fair. Of course, that's just my opinion :)

star
09-25-2005, 06:51 PM
you can post all the articles you want, you aint gonna change anybodys opinions on the matter. you'll find articles saying roddick was an ass and articels saying roddick did nothing wrong. im sure your looking for the latter ones and posting them ;)

Probably the ones saying Andy was an ass aren't in a language Tangy understands, so it would be hard for her to find them and post them. :)

But, I agree. Nothing will change anyone's mind. Few people on this board are open to having thier minds changed. :lol:

Matthias13
09-25-2005, 06:52 PM
Ok. It sounds as if the umpire should have replayed the point, but why is it Andy's fault that he didn't? That's where I get confused. Maybe it will become clear when I see the point.

I'm sorry but I forgot this quotation

star
09-25-2005, 06:52 PM
You can watch a little video of it on vrtnieuws.net - click on tennis - then on meer in the orange topic 'België moet het hoofd buigen voor de VS' - then on video dag drie:

video dag drie - vrtnieuws (http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/sporza/nnII_sporza_start/index.shtml)
Sorry, I can't seem to give you a direct link

Belgian coach Martens said afterwards that the decision made by the linesperson to give the point to Roddick couldn't be overruled because the umpire didn't see the point and they could not find a mark on the clay, which is an odd decision according to the coach because "the ball was in".

I think they should have just let Ollie choose the mark. Because he's so cute. :) :) :)

Timariot
09-25-2005, 06:57 PM
Stop whining about Andy's behaviour, it's easy to preach about morals and gamesmanship when you're sitting home in your nice comfy chair, with nothing on the line. If the linesmen/umpire/referee screw up, it's not the fault of the players.

If I was a pro tennis player, Lord knows I would lie, cheat and steal the victory whenever possible, even if I consider myself a honest person normally.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:00 PM
If I was a pro tennis player, Lord knows I would lie, cheat and steal the victory whenever possible, even if I consider myself a honest person normally.

:eek:

User id 7816
09-25-2005, 07:02 PM
thank for the link Castafiore, but its too patchy so I cant make out anything of the game...anyhow, I'm sad for Oli, to fight so hard and get that is damn cruel. Im sure the ppl have appreciated his effort.

bandabou
09-25-2005, 07:08 PM
I guess the umpires should just be banned....

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:11 PM
they need to hurry up and find a cheap and effective electric line calling system

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 07:12 PM
you can post all the articles you want, you aint gonna change anybodys opinions on the matter. you'll find articles saying roddick was an ass and articels saying roddick did nothing wrong. im sure your looking for the latter ones and posting them ;)
I'm just posting the news as I find them. I'd rather read various opinions from the newswire than hysterical rantings from GM Roddick-haters who blame Roddick for everything that goes wrong in their life.

As for the mysterious "Roddick is an ass" news items, I'm amazed you haven't written one for your school paper yet.

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 07:12 PM
OK...second attempt.

This time it's the news on a Flemish commercial tv station VTM.
After the first commercial (first 20 seconds), just skip to 32 minutes into the video (slow replay of Ollie's good shot at 33:20)

VTM Nieuws (http://www.vtm.be/asx/vtmnieuws/vtmnieuws19uur_Zo.asx)

PS The first item is about the new Belgian world champion road cycling Tom Boonen :)

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:15 PM
The place is filled to the gills with young teenagers.

I mean, how old do you think Stijntje is? :lol:

I'm a 25-year-old civil engineer...

And what about you?

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:17 PM
I'm a 25-year-old civil engineer...

And what about you?

then why don't you engineer yourself some civility

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:18 PM
Ok. It sounds as if the umpire should have replayed the point, but why is it Andy's fault that he didn't? That's where I get confused. Maybe it will become clear when I see the point.

Roddick had to give the point to Rochus, because he knew that smash was well into the court...

It's just a matter of fairplay!

croat123
09-25-2005, 07:19 PM
roddick knew the ball was in, that ball wasn't even touching the line. any true sportsman would give the point to their opponent. rochus overruled some calls in roddick's favor earlier

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:21 PM
why do so many people on MTF act like Roddick is the only person in the world to play the calls? most players play the calls. I have never seen Agassi, Federer, Safin, or most of the other top players go against a call

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 07:23 PM
then why don't you engineer yourself some civility
:haha:

star
09-25-2005, 07:24 PM
Roddick had to give the point to Rochus, because he knew that smash was well into the court...

It's just a matter of fairplay!

Yeah, it would be nice if every player would give up points when there is a wrong line call, but the truth is they don't. I've seen a ton of players walk away from a dispute and not say a thing even though they knew the call was wrong. If you haven't seen this, you haven't watched much tennis. I'm not saying I wish it weren't different, but the reality is every player takes wrong calls whey they come their way.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:25 PM
then why don't you engineer yourself some civility

because I'm quite perfect enough like this...

do you want to learn something?!

star
09-25-2005, 07:26 PM
What regular poster are you Stijntje? You've posted more today than you have in the last three years. :lol:

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 07:26 PM
Interesting. At 1-0 in the fifth with Ollie serving his serve was called out but Andy called it in. Wow, what a cheating jerk. Clearly, he stole this entire DC series away from the Belgiums.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:27 PM
I want to learn how paracelsus got away with falsely claiming he had created the homunculus and why so many other scientists of his time had also claimed they had created homunculi

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:27 PM
What regular poster are you Stijntje? You've posted more today than you have in the last three years. :lol:

that's because I normally don't want to discuss with such ordinary people as you!

Timariot
09-25-2005, 07:28 PM
roddick knew the ball was in, that ball wasn't even touching the line. any true sportsman would give the point to their opponent.

What did I just say about being a true sportsman in a comfy chair?

By the way, some players consider it classless to give away points; as if implying that they need some handicap.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:29 PM
Interesting. At 1-0 in the fifth with Ollie serving his serve was called out but Andy called it in. Wow, what a cheating jerk. Clearly, he stole this entire DC series away from the Belgiums.


you mean BelgIANS I suppose?! :rolleyes:

star
09-25-2005, 07:29 PM
Stijntje, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You are a 25 year old professional person and you are acting like this? That's really sad.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:30 PM
that's because I normally don't want to discuss with such ordinary people as you!

and you are somehow unordinary?

twahumboldt
09-25-2005, 07:30 PM
Its just the way that Andy carrys himself. He always acts like his shit doesnt stink

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:30 PM
What did I just say about being a true sportsman in a comfy chair?

By the way, some players consider it classless to give away points; as if implying that they need some handicap.


Oh, you call it "give away points"...

Well, in my opinion Rochus just deserved that point because of great play...

star
09-25-2005, 07:31 PM
you mean BelgIANS I suppose?! :rolleyes:

You are completely entitled to roll your eyes at that one. :lol: :lol:

1sun
09-25-2005, 07:32 PM
I'm just posting the news as I find them. I'd rather read various opinions from the newswire than hysterical rantings from GM Roddick-haters who blame Roddick for everything that goes wrong in their life.

As for the mysterious "Roddick is an ass" news items, I'm amazed you haven't written one for your school paper yet.
ive already written and submitted and got an A* :)
regarding the initial part of your quote, tell me please then, why are you in this thread reading and the defending him?

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 07:36 PM
why do so many people on MTF act like Roddick is the only person in the world to play the calls? most players play the calls. I have never seen Agassi, Federer, Safin, or most of the other top players go against a call
Didn't Nadal go against a call in the semi-final against Federer (and the French public gave him a standing ovation for his fair play :) ) and he did it again in the final against Puerta?
I seem to recall that he also did so in some tie break a couple of months before and because of his own recall, he lost that set but he went on to win the match.
I'm sure that others have done the same thing. In fact, I remember Coria doing so only recently if I'm not mistaken.
In the tournament in Barcelona (I think it was Barcelona), I saw the match Ferrero vs Nadal and both were great. The French commentator was talking about the Spanish tennis school of gentlemen. When a call was dodgy, one player would ask the other player to have a look and because they trust the fair play of the opponent, they would just go with his decision. Great to see that!

That said: again, Roddick did not HAVE to recall it. That was the duty of the umpire and the linespeople.
To be honest, I doubt if I would recall a call in an important match and I would use the "it's not my job" defence, pointing to the line judges.

Every top player has had bad line calls at crucial points. It's frustrating but it's part of the sport.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:36 PM
go to hell and take some dope as most of the Argentines!!!

unordinarily rude

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 07:36 PM
you mean BelgIANS I suppose?! :rolleyes:
Spelling flames are the last resort of people who have lost their original argument. :wavey:

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:37 PM
Didn't Nadal go against a call in the semi-final against Federer (and the French public gave him a standing ovation for his fair play :)

I deftly avoided mentioning nadal :)

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:38 PM
Spelling flames are the last resort of people who have lost their original argument. :wavey:


Don't you get it?!

I don't need an argument, because I know I'm right... Ask the other posters about their opinion and they will all tell you the same : Roddick is just an unfair tennis player without any class...

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 07:38 PM
go to hell and take some dope as most of the Argentines!!!
Komaan, Stijntje...no reason to be this upset about one bad call.
It's too bad that this has happened but it does not make a bad guy out of Roddick.

1sun
09-25-2005, 07:39 PM
cheers cast, that one was much better, btw the news woman was damn fine!!!talk about a blonde bombshell!!
regarding the incident, didnt see any of roddicks actions so cant have an opinion on the situation.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:40 PM
Don't you get it?!

I don't need an argument, because I know I'm right... Ask the other posters about their opinion and they will all tell you the same : Roddick is just an unfair tennis player without any class...

I am an "other poster" and I don't agree with you

star
09-25-2005, 07:40 PM
go to hell and take some dope as most of the Argentines!!!

Nice one. :clap2:

I know you are trying to hit where it hurts, but I'm not Argentine. :)

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:41 PM
Nice one. :clap2:

I know you are trying to hit where it hurts, but I'm not Argentine. :)


I know, but you live there at the moment... That's bad enough!

1sun
09-25-2005, 07:42 PM
Probably the ones saying Andy was an ass aren't in a language Tangy understands, so it would be hard for her to find them and post them. :)

:lol:
always indenial. poor lass

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:43 PM
I am an "other poster" and I don't agree with you

yes, you and 50% of the American people (the stupid-ones = the Bush-voters) won't agree with me...

but all the normal people of human society will say I'm right...

star
09-25-2005, 07:44 PM
Didn't Nadal go against a call in the semi-final against Federer (and the French public gave him a standing ovation for his fair play :) ) and he did it again in the final against Puerta?
I seem to recall that he also did so in some tie break a couple of months before and because of his own recall, he lost that set but he went on to win the match.
I'm sure that others have done the same thing. In fact, I remember Coria doing so only recently if I'm not mistaken.
In the tournament in Barcelona (I think it was Barcelona), I saw the match Ferrero vs Nadal and both were great. The French commentator was talking about the Spanish tennis school of gentlemen. When a call was dodgy, one player would ask the other player to have a look and because they trust the fair play of the opponent, they would just go with his decision. Great to see that!

That said: again, Roddick did not HAVE to recall it. That was the duty of the umpire and the linespeople.
To be honest, I doubt if I would recall a call in an important match and I would use the "it's not my job" defence, pointing to the line judges.

Every top player has had bad line calls at crucial points. It's frustrating but it's part of the sport.

I think that players do give up points sometimes. Andy has done this too when he didnt' have to. (I don't count clay points in this where the mark can be seen. Many players save the umpire a trip down.) It usually gets a nice hand from the crowd because it doesn't happen that often. But I'll bet every pro player has put a bad call in his back pocket more than once.

Leo
09-25-2005, 07:45 PM
12 pages after only 3 hours or so?! :eek: No way do I have the energy to read all of it, especially since it's mostly silly name-calling.

I just saw the point on TV and... lame. That ball was so clearly in. By far the worst line call I've seen since Serena/Capriati USO '04. I didn't hear anything from Roddick during the point but I wasn't really paying attention.

Poor Olivier, you fought so hard and to lose like that blows. I think Christophe would have had a great chance against Blake, as well.

star
09-25-2005, 07:45 PM
yes, you and 50% of the American people (the stupid-ones = the Bush-voters) won't agree with me...

but all the normal people of human society will say I'm right...

So, let me get this straight. If I voted for Kerry, I would agree with you?

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:46 PM
yes, you and 50% of the American people (the stupid-ones = the Bush-voters) won't agree with me...

but all the normal people of human society will say I'm right...

I am NOT A BUSH VOTER AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU
that is absolutely the worst logic i have ever heard, worst then the damn call. and that guy is a civil engineer? thank god not in my city

twahumboldt
09-25-2005, 07:47 PM
alright, just saw it in the US. Horrible call, but, at least Andy didnt argue that it was out, at least from what they showed here. horrible way to decide a match. Andy will never ever concede another point after rome.

star
09-25-2005, 07:47 PM
12 pages after only 3 hours or so?! :eek: No way do I have the energy to read all of it, especially since it's mostly silly name-calling.

I just saw the point on TV and... lame. That ball was so clearly in. By far the worst line call I've seen since Serena/Capriati USO '04. I didn't hear anything from Roddick during the point but I wasn't really paying attention.

Poor Olivier, you fought so hard and to lose like that blows. I think Christophe would have had a great chance against Blake, as well.

The bad thing about the Serena/Jennifer match was that those horrific calls happened several times, not just once.

(I think Jennifer must have voted for Bush. ;) )

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:47 PM
So, let me get this straight. If I voted for Kerry, I would agree with you?

of course, because people who voted for Kerry are clever enough to understand I'm right...

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 07:48 PM
So they just showed THAT point on ESPN and I am :haha: right now because as I suspcted, Roddick had absolutely nothing to do with the bad call, as idiots like stijntje have wrongly been claiming all along. And Hagar was dead wrong too. Andy never yelled the ball "OUT" or made any call. He said absolutely nothing.

Ollie's ball was in, but the lineswoman went up to the chair to say that she had called the ball out. Roddick said and did nothing, he just went to sit in the chair and get some rest. Team Belgium had a long discussion with chair ump. Eventually the chair ump rules in USA's favor and Andy won the point. Andy went back to sit with his team. Saying and doing nothing, just going along with what the chair ump said, exactly as he should have. Why exactly should Andy argue the Belgian's case for them? Tell me the logic in that. :o

So once again, the anti-Roddick hysterics are exposed on MTF for what are: just more of the same "Andy sucks!" whining. :lol: Thanks for the laugh people, it's been real.

Scotso
09-25-2005, 07:48 PM
12 pages after only 3 hours or so?! :eek: No way do I have the energy to read all of it, especially since it's mostly silly name-calling.

I just saw the point on TV and... lame. That ball was so clearly in. By far the worst line call I've seen since Serena/Capriati USO '04. I didn't hear anything from Roddick during the point but I wasn't really paying attention.

Poor Olivier, you fought so hard and to lose like that blows. I think Christophe would have had a great chance against Blake, as well.

I agree on all counts. I'm not reading through this thread, and it was a bad call... poor Olivier.

But I don't really see how you can blame Roddick. If he acted like a jerk the entire match, I'd be the first to jump on the Pandy-bashing bandwagon. Everyone knows I have no love for Roddick, but the bad call was just that, a bad call. Roddick doesn't make the calls.

And I don't understand why the entire team or the entire country would be attacked for what Roddick did, even if he did anything wrong.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:49 PM
of course, because people who voted for Kerry are clever enough to understand I'm right...

I voted for kerry and i think you are a complete dolt

star
09-25-2005, 07:49 PM
I am NOT A BUSH VOTER AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU

So, now you've just convinced Stijntje that ALL Americans are stupid. :lol: :lol:

Luckily I know many charming Belgians so I don't have to judge them by Stijntje.

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 07:49 PM
regarding the incident, didnt see any of roddicks actions so cant have an opinion on the situation.

I just watched this on TV. Roddick did absolutely nothing whatsoever. Rochus hits a smash on the line. Roddick and Rochus move as if to continue the game. Suddenly the lineswoman walks up to the chair umpire and whispers something. Now the umpire and the Belgian coach begin to talk ... along with Rochus. Roddick just rests because he's tired. He doesn't say anything. The game is awarded to Roddick. The crowd boos. The shot was good and it sucks the lineswomen messed things up, but Andy Roddick did absolutely NOTHING wrong. Nothing!

I feel bad for Rochus, but the American team has nothing to be "ashamed" of. What a troll!

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:49 PM
I am NOT A BUSH VOTER AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU

I understand... As a Bush voter it's not easy to say you voted for that asshole...

Well, you knew those things in advance...

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 07:51 PM
Luckily I know many charming Belgians so I don't have to judge them by Stijntje.
Please don't, star.

Stijntje, leave politics out of this please and FFS, it's just one bad call.

Whatup86
09-25-2005, 07:51 PM
I just saw the point on TV and Roddick said Nothing!. After Olivier hit the smash Roddick was walking over to the other side of the court. Then the lines lady walked up to the chair ump and said she called it out. Roddick then sat in a lines person chair while everyone else was fighting over the call. roddick did nothing wrong, its the lines lady and chair umps fault.

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 07:51 PM
And I don't understand why the entire team or the entire country would be attacked for what Roddick did, even if he did anything wrong.

Roddick did nothing ... literally. He just rested. Didn't argue ... and he certainly did not call the shot out! I watched it just now. He did not call the shot out. If anyone is too blame, it's the lineswoman.

MissMoJo
09-25-2005, 07:53 PM
That was a horrible way to lose serve in such a big match. I'm not a Roddick fan, but i put the blame on the lineswoman and the umpire especially, who didn't make any effort to check the mark. Oli really played his heart out :sad:, too bad James couldn't be the DC hero

croat123
09-25-2005, 07:54 PM
alright, just saw it in the US. Horrible call, but, at least Andy didnt argue that it was out, at least from what they showed here. horrible way to decide a match. Andy will never ever concede another point after rome.
he didn't concede that point. the ball was clearly in and the ump would have come down and have called it good :o

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:54 PM
Roddick did nothing ... literally. He just rested. Didn't argue ... and he certainly did not call the shot out! I watched it just now. He did not call the shot out. If anyone is too blame, it's the lineswoman.

... and dickhead Roddick...

If he had at least some sportmanship in his body, he should have said the ball was in indeed...

But he didn't and that's what this discussion is all about...

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:54 PM
I understand... As a Bush voter it's not easy to say you voted for that asshole...

Well, you knew those things in advance...

I really shouldn't be dignifying this with a response but I will anyway. I am a registered Democrat and have never voted for a republican in my life, nor will i ever. If you go to non-tennis you will see i just had a discussion regarding George W Bush's wreckless and murderous policies which I oppose completely. You, however, my friend, suffer from some sort of inferiority complex, which this is the last time i will speak of, as how i do not think it is fair to aggravate someone's obvious mental defect.

selesfan
09-25-2005, 07:54 PM
What a bunch of drama queens, Andy did not call the shot out, he didn't even speak :rolleyes: It certainly wasn't his fault that the lineswoman made an atrocious call

1sun
09-25-2005, 07:56 PM
well i think that is why people are upset because roddick new the ball was well in and didnt say anything. and because it was such an important point thats why people are so pissed. did he not shout out or something before the ball landed? thats what someposters said. i dunno :shrug: and to be honest i dont really give a shit but it makes for good reading! :cool:

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 07:56 PM
What a bunch of drama queens, Andy did not call the shot out, he didn't even speak :rolleyes: It certainly wasn't his fault that the lineswoman made an atrocious call

agreed

star
09-25-2005, 07:57 PM
awwww. Ollie was upset at the end. He gave Andy the cold fish handshake, but I don't blame him at all. He fought his heart out. It's a pity the bad call had to mar the match.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 07:57 PM
I really shouldn't be dignifying this with a response but I will anyway. I am a registered Democrat and have never voted for a republican in my life, nor will i ever. If you go to non-tennis you will see i just had a discussion regarding George W Bush's wreckless and murderous policies which I oppose completely. You, however, my friend, suffer from some sort of inferiority complex, which this is the last time i will speak of, as how i do not think it is fair to aggravate someone's obvious mental defect.

sure, as I already said... it must not be easy to admit you are a monkey Bush-voter...

and obviously most of them want to hide their political choice...

I can understand... very well... very very well...

star
09-25-2005, 07:58 PM
did he not shout out or something before the ball landed? thats what someposters said.

Yeah. That's what some posters SAID. :lol: :lol: :lol:

selesfan
09-25-2005, 07:59 PM
well i think that is why people are upset because roddick new the ball was well in and didnt say anything. and because it was such an important point thats why people are so pissed. did he not shout out or something before the ball landed? thats what someposters said. i dunno :shrug: and to be honest i dont really give a shit but it makes for good reading! :cool:

He didn't shout anything, he was as quiet as a mouse. I usually agree that Andy has some annoying oncourt behavior but he behaved himself pretty much today. He looked too tired to complain. And he isn't the first player to not concede a point. A lot of the players leave it up to the umpires.

savesthedizzle
09-25-2005, 07:59 PM
Can I just ask in what universe how a person voted in a presidential election matters when discussing an issue in TENNIS?

Oy vey. No wonder GM has a bad rep.

twahumboldt
09-25-2005, 08:00 PM
he didn't concede that point. the ball was clearly in and the ump would have come down and have called it good :o

He didnt make the ump come down, he conceded the point.

star
09-25-2005, 08:00 PM
I really shouldn't be dignifying this with a response but I will anyway. I am a registered Democrat and have never voted for a republican in my life, nor will i ever. If you go to non-tennis you will see i just had a discussion regarding George W Bush's wreckless and murderous policies which I oppose completely. You, however, my friend, suffer from some sort of inferiority complex, which this is the last time i will speak of, as how i do not think it is fair to aggravate someone's obvious mental defect.

Yeah I mean..... call me a drug addict, a murderer, a child molester, but do NOT call me a Bush voter!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 08:00 PM
sure, as I already said... it must not be easy to admit you are a monkey Bush-voter...

and obviously most of them want to hide their political choice...

I can understand... very well... very very well...

you understand nothing, i am now convinced you are not a civil engineer, you are just a lying little kid, probably all of 12 years old, and i think Star had it right the first time. Grow up and grow some pubic hair

1sun
09-25-2005, 08:01 PM
Yeah. That's what some posters SAID. :lol: :lol: :lol:
just cant trust peoples words these days......
btw, how the hell did politics get into a thread about a line call??? :eek:

jes_021
09-25-2005, 08:03 PM
sure, as I already said... it must not be easy to admit you are a monkey Bush-voter...

and obviously most of them want to hide their political choice...

I can understand... very well... very very well...

Is this bitching at posters really necessary?

If your mad because of that point, thats okay, I didn't like it either, but it would be nice to show some class towards posters who defend their point of view without resorting to name calling.

1sun
09-25-2005, 08:03 PM
Can I just ask in what universe how a person voted in a presidential election matters when discussing an issue in TENNIS?

Oy vey. No wonder GM has a bad rep.
lol, my thoughts exactly. o well, its a fun read.
:boxing: people :boxing: fight!

stijntje
09-25-2005, 08:04 PM
you understand nothing, i am now convinced you are not a civil engineer, you are just a lying little kid, probably all of 12 years old, and i think Star had it right the first time. Grow up and grow some pubic hair

well... ask me some civil engineering (option chemics) stuff and I'll answer you immediately...

star
09-25-2005, 08:05 PM
btw, how the hell did politics get into a thread about a line call??? :eek:

Because it's GM???

liptea
09-25-2005, 08:11 PM
Andy could have given Rochus the call. But from what I saw on television, it was total confusion on court. Pat McEnroe wasn't even in the conversation with the chair umpire; I might be wrong, but I think they were discussing in French? When they awarded the game to the USA, Andy walked over to his team and talked to his coach for about a minute. It was hard to figure out what was going on, or why the point had suddenly been given to the Americans. And without a mark, I doubt they would have gone with Andy's version anyway.

It really is unfair to blame Andy. Blame the lineswoman all you want. Or blame the court, I have no idea where that mark went.

1sun
09-25-2005, 08:11 PM
Because it's GM???
true

amierin
09-25-2005, 08:16 PM
Andy did nothing wrong. Some are saying that PMac pointed the supposed "out" mark to the chair and then the lineswoman came up and said the ball was out from where she stood. They replayed the point several times and the ball was clearly in, dust cloud and all. Through the entire thing Andy did what any tired player would do, sit down and suck wind. There was no on court celebration and the entire US team left the court when the match was over. At no time did the chair go and look at/for the mark IIRC.

I do hope that Andy gave the lineswoman a, cough, "reward",cough that will make up for her never doing lines calls again in Belgium. :devil:

Not that it matters but I did vote for Kerry.

partygirl
09-25-2005, 08:23 PM
he ran off court without any celebration, and tried to keep the rest of the team subdude out of respect for the crowds upset, wow what an ass...he could have jumped and celebrated after what happend to the u.s team in los angles.

...i guess you guys need someone to hate, to bad its misdirected at a generally good guy. :rolleyes: :wavey: :sad:

Castafiore
09-25-2005, 08:24 PM
What's it with Belgians and lineswomen?

Earlier in the year, Malisse went nuts because of some crazy decision by a lineswomen.
Our Belgian players need to borrow some tricks from Roddick on "how to use your charm and influence linespeople"

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 08:24 PM
well i think that is why people are upset because roddick new the ball was well in and didnt say anything. and because it was such an important point thats why people are so pissed. did he not shout out or something before the ball landed? thats what someposters said. i dunno :shrug: and to be honest i dont really give a shit but it makes for good reading! :cool:

Roddick didn't say anything when the ball landed. He was quiet as a mouse and really tired looking. We don't know if Roddick knew the ball was in or not. According to tennis ettiquette, you're supposed to let the officials decide calls, and not argue with them either way.

The whole "She should never call lines again" is ridiculous. Everyone is going to make bad calls. All of us would make bad calls, too. I feel really bad for Rochus, but c'est la vie.

sierra91
09-25-2005, 08:25 PM
Not that it matters but I did vote for Kerry.

:lol:

Actually, it does matter ... adds quite a bit to your creditiliby.

1sun
09-25-2005, 08:27 PM
Roddick didn't say anything when the ball landed. He was quiet as a mouse and really tired looking. We don't know if Roddick knew the ball was in or not. According to tennis ettiquette, you're supposed to let the officials decide calls, and not argue with them either way.
you are allowed to concede a point though?or not?

MissMoJo
09-25-2005, 08:29 PM
:lol:

Actually, it does matter ... adds quite a bit to your creditiliby.
Where do the nader voters stand? :shrug: :sad:

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 08:29 PM
Will Hagar admit what a complete a$$ he is for being wrong about Roddick? :sad:

Will Hagar, turt, jes_021, stijntje, croat, 1sun, s.m., Allez-H2, and purple_star, who all quickly jumped on the "Andy Roddick is an unsporting asshole who cheated and stole the Davis Cup" bandwagon without any facts to back up their preposterous statements have the guts to finally admit they were mistaken and apologize after it was proved how very wrong they were?

My guess is no. It's been my experience that most MTF idiots like these people can never admit that they were wrong and have no problem slandering a player they hate so much. They will all slink quietly back under their rocks and act like they never said any such thing because they'll be too embarassed to admit any wrongdoing. Tsk, tsk. Just another day in GM. :)

sierra91
09-25-2005, 08:32 PM
Where do the nader voters stand? :shrug: :sad:

:haha:

good point!

Golfnduck
09-25-2005, 08:33 PM
The umpire makes the calls, not the players. The umpire called it out, then it's out. I am suprised that he did not go look at the mark though.

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 08:34 PM
you are allowed to concede a point though?or not?

Yes, you are allowed to concede points as far as I know. But maybe he didn't see whether it was in or out. It hit the line when you watched the slow-mo replay, but it was such a huge smash and Roddick was all the way on the other side of the court ... maybe he really didn't know whether it was in or not? We'll never know. I just don't think we can say whether players should concede points because we have the advantage of slow-mo replays, etc.

I just don't think it's fair to judge one way or the other because we don't know what Roddick saw or didn't see.

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 08:37 PM
Ugh, this whole business of Bush voters, Kerry voters, etc. is so pathetic. I get so tired of .... erm .... [desperately trying not to stereotype] ... "people" who cannot separate politics and sports. They view athletes as extensions of the politicians they hate. Pathetic ...

great smash
09-25-2005, 08:37 PM
I 'm not one to bash Roddick for what he did or didn't do.

However, he DID know the ball was in.

But again, blame the umpire, he's there to do a professional job.

stijntje
09-25-2005, 08:41 PM
he ran off court without any celebration, and tried to keep the rest of the team subdude out of respect for the crowds upset, wow what an ass...he could have jumped and celebrated after what happend to the u.s team in los angles.

...i guess you guys need someone to hate, to bad its misdirected at a generally good guy. :rolleyes: :wavey: :sad:

a good guy would have given the point to Rochus... ;)

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 08:42 PM
Ugh, this whole business of Bush voters, Kerry voters, etc. is so pathetic. I get so tired of .... erm .... [desperately trying not to stereotype] ... "people" who cannot separate politics and sports. They view athletes as extensions of the politicians they hate. Pathetic ...

my apologies and I will try not to be goated into irrelevant debates about my non-tennis related beliefs.... now lets get back to the ridiculous Roddick bashing,
shall we?

1sun
09-25-2005, 08:43 PM
Yes, you are allowed to concede points as far as I know. But maybe he didn't see whether it was in or out. It hit the line when you watched the slow-mo replay, but it was such a huge smash and Roddick was all the way on the other side of the court ... maybe he really didn't know whether it was in or not? We'll never know. I just don't think we can say whether players should concede points because we have the advantage of slow-mo replays, etc.

I just don't think it's fair to judge one way or the other because we don't know what Roddick saw or didn't see.
i think thats why people are upset because he didnt concede the point. he walked to the ad side after the point so he new it was in.

great smash
09-25-2005, 08:44 PM
a good guy would have given the point to Rochus... ;)

Personally I think he took the point because his captain had told hem to.

When the umpire called "Game USA", he realised the consequences of the bad call, and didn't feel good about it. That is when he walk to Partick McEnroe, and after a small chat he decided to play on, not conceding the point.

1sun
09-25-2005, 08:46 PM
Will Hagar admit what a complete a$$ he is for being wrong about Roddick? :sad:

Will Hagar, turt, jes_021, stijntje, croat, 1sun, s.m., Allez-H2, and purple_star, who all quickly jumped on the "Andy Roddick is an unsporting asshole who cheated and stole the Davis Cup" bandwagon without any facts to back up their preposterous statements have the guts to finally admit they were mistaken and apologize after it was proved how very wrong they were?

My guess is no. It's been my experience that most MTF idiots like these people can never admit that they were wrong and have no problem slandering a player they hate so much. They will all slink quietly back under their rocks and act like they never said any such thing because they'll be too embarassed to admit any wrongdoing. Tsk, tsk. Just another day in GM. :)
oi, why the hell is my name in that list? i did not say roddick was a cheat or unsporting, i even siad i cant have an opinion because i did not see the point.i did not go against roddick in this situation. glad to see you reconsidered make a new thread about it, or did your attempt fail?
btw, your the fucking idiot you piece of shit

jes_021
09-25-2005, 08:52 PM
Will Hagar admit what a complete a$$ he is for being wrong about Roddick? :sad:

Will Hagar, turt, jes_021, stijntje, croat, 1sun, s.m., Allez-H2, and purple_star, who all quickly jumped on the "Andy Roddick is an unsporting asshole who cheated and stole the Davis Cup" bandwagon without any facts to back up their preposterous statements have the guts to finally admit they were mistaken and apologize after it was proved how very wrong they were?

My guess is no. It's been my experience that most MTF idiots like these people can never admit that they were wrong and have no problem slandering a player they hate so much. They will all slink quietly back under their rocks and act like they never said any such thing because they'll be too embarassed to admit any wrongdoing. Tsk, tsk. Just another day in GM. :)

:rolleyes: Well, let me say this from one MTF idiot to another then.

I've never been an Andy basher and always liked the guy well enough, but my opinion is that he should have given the point to Rochus since he did see it was in.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 09:00 PM
i want to make friends, not enemies...

1sun and jes_021, can we be friends? :p

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 09:01 PM
I've never been an Andy basher and always liked the guy well enough, but my opinion is that he should have given the point to Rochus since he did see it was in.
But he did concede the point. He was walking over to the ad court to receive serve but then the lineswoman walked up the ump and said she called it out. It's not Andy's job to play linesperson.

I don't understand why some of you insist on putting even some of the blame on Roddick's shoulders. He's not the linesperson or the chair ump. He did the right thing and kept his mouth shut and stayed out of it. Even if he DID argue that the ball was in it wouldn't have mattered because the linesperson already called it out and what she says, goes.

And I'm sorry I called you an idiot. :hug:

I'm not sorry I called 1sun an idiot. :p

jes_021
09-25-2005, 09:01 PM
i want to make friends, not enemies...

1sun and jes_021, can we be friends? :p

Sure :angel: :p

jes_021
09-25-2005, 09:02 PM
But he did concede the point. He was walking over to the ad court to receive serve but then the lineswoman walked up the ump and said she called it out. It's not Andy's job to play linesperson.

I don't understand why some of you insist on putting even some of the blame on Roddick's shoulders. He's not the linesperson or the chair ump. He did the right thing and kept his mouth shut and stayed out of it. Even if he DID argue that the ball was in it wouldn't have mattered because the linesperson already called it out and what she says, goes.

And I'm sorry I called you an idiot. :hug:

I'm not sorry I called 1sun an idiot. :p

Lets call it a truce :lol: ;)

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 09:03 PM
yay i have an MTF friend :bounce:

jes_021
09-25-2005, 09:08 PM
yay i have an MTF friend :bounce:

Are we making history here? :p

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 09:09 PM
nah, i am just glad I am not fighting with someone. I don't come on MTF alot, but it seems like whenever I do, i get into some petty little squabble with someone

jes_021
09-25-2005, 09:11 PM
nah, i am just glad I am not fighting with someone. I don't come on MTF alot, but it seems like whenever I do, i get into some petty little squabble with someone

Well, thats MTF for you. Its like a sport for some people, getting into arguments. :lol:

star
09-25-2005, 09:12 PM
oi, why the hell is my name in that list? i did not say roddick was a cheat or unsporting, i even siad i cant have an opinion because i did not see the point.i did not go against roddick in this situation. glad to see you reconsidered make a new thread about it, or did your attempt fail?
btw, your the fucking idiot you piece of shit

I too thought you were staying out of this particular argument.

It would be so nice not to call other posters pieces of shit or other terms of endearment. :sad:

star
09-25-2005, 09:13 PM
nah, i am just glad I am not fighting with someone. I don't come on MTF alot, but it seems like whenever I do, i get into some petty little squabble with someone


:hug: :hug: awwwww

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 09:16 PM
I love you guys, and I'm not just sayin that :angel:

1sun
09-25-2005, 09:18 PM
i want to make friends, not enemies...

1sun and jes_021, can we be friends? :p
yeah sure. :)
i dont wanna make enemies either but if someone is accusing me of something im not gonna take a liking to it and let it slide.btw im not refering to you,iam refering to tangywangy.

Phunkadelicious
09-25-2005, 09:20 PM
I am sure tang meant whatever s/he said to be a compliment of the highest order :p

Jennay
09-25-2005, 09:20 PM
Ah, but he's always an asshole when he wins!

1sun
09-25-2005, 09:20 PM
I too thought you were staying out of this particular argument.

It would be so nice not to call other posters pieces of shit or other terms of endearment. :sad:
ok i admit that was harsh and iam sorry tangywangy.i didnt mean to offend you and if i did iam sorry. but not sorry about calling you an idiot :p