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Who will Win the Davis Cup Final: Croatia vs Slovakia?

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:20 PM
Congrats to both sides and we will have a new Davis Cup winner irrespective of who wins.

Both of the nations deserve to be there and who will win the final.

MariaV
09-25-2005, 04:21 PM
I am soooooo for Croatia!!!!!!! AJMO HRVATSKA!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :bigclap: :yippee: :bounce:

Denaon
09-25-2005, 04:23 PM
I guess Croatia will be my fav now :rolleyes: Where will this Final be played?

savesthedizzle
09-25-2005, 04:23 PM
This is an awesome final.. exciting for both countries. I'm pretty torn as to who will win. I like both teams. I think I'm going to tip the edge to Slovakia. I think Beck could take out Ancic in a singles match, especially since the tie would be in Slovakia. So unless Ljubicic wins all three again for the third time in a row, I think it's Slovakia's.

I'll be interested to see the court selection. Both teams play well on the same surfaces, so it's not like they can really pick a surface that hinders their opponents too greatly.

savesthedizzle
09-25-2005, 04:23 PM
I guess Croatia will be my fav now :rolleyes: Where will this Final be played?


I hear it will be in Slovakia :)

revolution
09-25-2005, 04:25 PM
I want Slovakia to win, for Experimentee :hug: and also as I like Dom.

But I wonder if Goran's presence will ignite the Croatians to win?

User id 7816
09-25-2005, 04:27 PM
congrats to both teams! :yeah: they've had impressive wins on the way to the final, and I guess one thing sure in the final is it will be played on very fast courts.

I think the winner will be the host nation (which will be decided by draw I hear?).
Good luck to both teams!

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:30 PM
They have never played before and the DC organisers didn't expect this final, so this will make things interesting.

If the Croatians pick the surface they could easily pick clay, because of Beck's weakness on that surface.

MariaV
09-25-2005, 04:33 PM
Well, as I heard it will be played in Slovakia - Bratislava?

LJUUUU-BO LJUU-BO!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :bigclap: :bounce: :yippee:

Scotso
09-25-2005, 04:33 PM
They have never played before and the DC organisers didn't expect this final, so this will make things interesting.

If the Croatians pick the surface they could easily pick clay, because of Beck's weakness on that surface.

I'm pretty sure it will be in Slovakia.

And everyone knows who I voted for :angel:

vincayou
09-25-2005, 04:34 PM
None of them had an easy road to the final (euphemism) so all credit to them. I guess that Slovakia advantage to receive (did they travel once this year?) and choose the surface will be less a factor (apart from the crowd factor) because Croatia prefer fast surface as well (what wasn't the case for Spain and Argentina)

I say Croatia. But Slovakia have never been the favourite in most of their encounter this year, and they seem to relish it.

silverwhite
09-25-2005, 04:35 PM
My head says Croatia but my gut says Slovakia. :shrug:

vincayou
09-25-2005, 04:37 PM
They have never played before and the DC organisers didn't expect this final, so this will make things interesting.

If the Croatians pick the surface they could easily pick clay, because of Beck's weakness on that surface.

Is Ljubicic really much better (real question)? Ljubicic has been the man for Croatia this year, they should try and find a surface which suits him I think.

PaulieM
09-25-2005, 04:37 PM
ivan will win the DC final

Alvarillo
09-25-2005, 04:38 PM
Go Slovakia! You deserve it! :worship:

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 04:38 PM
RDucky wishes to point out that Ljubicic is 5-0 v Hrbaty, and 2-1 v Beck, and that if Czechoslovakia wants to stand any chance of winning, they must opt to play the final on clay.

MariaV
09-25-2005, 04:39 PM
ivan will win the DC final
TOTALLY AGREE PAULIE!!!!!!! LJUUUU-BO LJUUUU-BO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hug: :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce: Ljubo will be the new hero for Croatia!!!!!! :D :banana: :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce:

s.m.
09-25-2005, 04:41 PM
Congrats to both sides and we will have a new Davis Cup winner irrespective of who wins.

Both of the nations deserve to be there and who will win the final.

we deserve it more
if we win, we will have 2 tough road wins in way to trophy
in the same time slovakia has played all at home
that is just not the same
we must win this match, and we will win it ;)

User id 7816
09-25-2005, 04:42 PM
the h2h turns out to be not so important in DC, at this level...:rolleyes:
and those who are overconfident seem to have it bitter in the end, so I guess noone will underestimate noone in the final.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:43 PM
RDucky wishes to point out that Ljubicic is 5-0 v Hrbaty, and 2-1 v Beck, and that if Czechoslovakia wants to stand any chance of winning, they must opt to play the final on clay.

Czechoslovakia hasn't existed since 1993.

PaulieM
09-25-2005, 04:44 PM
TOTALLY AGREE PAULIE!!!!!!! LJUUUU-BO LJUUUU-BO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hug: :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce: Ljubo will be the new hero for Croatia!!!!!! :D :banana: :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce:
Ljubo rocks my world!!! :hearts: :rocker2:

Experimentee
09-25-2005, 04:44 PM
I hope Slovakia, but the Croats will be the favourite. Hrbaty must win both his matches I would think, and he has a bad record against Ljubicic. However things are different in DC. If they play on a fast surface, Beck can win a match or two, but fast surface would also favour Croats. Its a bit of a dilemma.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:44 PM
Is Ljubicic really much better (real question)? Ljubicic has been the man for Croatia this year, they should try and find a surface which suits him I think.

Ljubo and Ancic are much better on clay than Beck.

s.m.
09-25-2005, 04:45 PM
the tie is played in bratislava
slovaks will chose the surface
draw was made earlier

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:45 PM
I hope Slovakia, but the Croats will be the favourite. Hrbaty must win both his matches I would think, and he has a bad record against Ljubicic. However things are different in DC. If they play on a fast surface, Beck can win a match or two, but fast surface would also favour Croats. Its a bit of a dilemma.

Ljubo has been brilliant in DC this year, it's mainly through his huge efforts that they have got this far.

MariaV
09-25-2005, 04:47 PM
RDucky wishes to point out that Ljubicic is 5-0 v Hrbaty, and 2-1 v Beck, and that if Czechoslovakia wants to stand any chance of winning, they must opt to play the final on clay.
Say HI to Ducky :hug: and AJMO HRVATSKA!! :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce:

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 04:49 PM
Czechoslovakia hasn't existed since 1993.

But I'm sure that's what they called it when I went on holidays there after visiting the Byzantine empire. :scratch:

Oh well, I'm a long way from there now, sitting here in Van Demon's land.

:lol:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:51 PM
But I'm sure that's what they called it when I went on holidays there after visiting the Byzantine empire. :scratch:

Oh well, I'm a long way from there now, sitting here in Van Demon's land.

:lol:

Hehehe

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 04:51 PM
I hope Slovakia, but the Croats will be the favourite. Hrbaty must win both his matches I would think, and he has a bad record against Ljubicic. However things are different in DC. If they play on a fast surface, Beck can win a match or two, but fast surface would also favour Croats. Its a bit of a dilemma.

well how many more matches would you want him to win :shrug:

User id 7816
09-25-2005, 04:52 PM
the tie is played in bratislava
slovaks will chose the surface
draw was made earlier

the whole slovak's team home play has been very strong and it will lift them again for the final!

good luck Slovaks :D

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 04:57 PM
Say HI to Ducky :hug: and AJMO HRVATSKA!! :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce:

Ducky said to say that he misses you :smooch:, and that he shall be back soon...

:eek:

Horatio Caine
09-25-2005, 05:22 PM
Much depends on the surface that the Slovaks choose. They would be wise to choose a slower surface, maybe clay, which would favour Hrbaty. Beck wouldn't like it though. If they go for an indoor hard / carpet court then the tie is 50/50 IMO.

I'd say Croatia to win...Ljubo and Ancic have made an exceptional team this year, even though Ljubo has counted more towards the team's success. Slovak's hopes rest very much on Dom.

Jimnik
09-25-2005, 05:33 PM
WOW, they couldn't have picked 2 smaller countries to reach the Davis Cup final - maybe Gilles Muller will get Luxembourg to the final next year.

Is this the 1st time the DC final will feature no top 10 players? It's really quite astonishing what these guys have achieved. Spain and Argentina have so may top 100 players to choose from while Slovakia have just the two. Ljubicic has been unbelievable this year. Beating Agassi and Roddick in America on hard courts and beating the Bryan brothers in doubles - ubelievable. Now he's done the treble again, beating Youzhny, Davydenko and Andreev/Tursunov. Ljubicic has been the player of the season.

I think this is Croatia's year.

tangerine_dream
09-25-2005, 05:35 PM
RDucky must be feeling sad that he can't show up and rub Team Croatia in everyone's faces. :angel:

Frankly, after Croatia demolished the US earlier this year, I'll always felt that is seems to be Croatia's time to win DC, so good luck to them in the final. I hope it's broadcast here in the states.

adelaide
09-25-2005, 05:42 PM
I hope this is Croatia's year :D woot!

I♥PsY@Mus!c
09-25-2005, 06:03 PM
I hope Croatia will win and Ivan will win all matches too. ;)

MariaV
09-25-2005, 06:23 PM
Ducky said to say that he misses you :smooch:, and that he shall be back soon...

Good good! :D I hope he'll be back soon, at least by the DC final... :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bounce: miss him too! :hug: :hug:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 08:16 PM
Wouldn't it be good if Goran could play a role in Croatia winning the DC final, if it wasn't for him as a pioneer then Ljubo and Ancic would have found it more difficult to breakthrough.

Fergie
09-25-2005, 08:30 PM
ivan will win the DC final
:yeah:

AJMO Ivan, AJMO HRVATSKA!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

Corey Feldman
09-25-2005, 08:39 PM
if slovaks at home i'll say them...
although Hrbaty is 0-5 v Ljubicic and lost 3 in a row v. Ancic .. Beck also has losing numbers to Ivan/mario.
so some issues there

alfonsojose
09-25-2005, 08:42 PM
i really don't care, so good luck to both teams :shrug:

Jogy
09-25-2005, 08:49 PM
Please Slovakia, now take the title and don't let stupid Ljubicic win it :retard: :retard:

nermo
09-25-2005, 09:46 PM
i think, they won't be playing until December?..still a long period from now so anything can happen,
anyway.. if Slovakia kept those spirits, they have better chances i think
but despite the results, Ljubicic have my respects..and 'll be a big powerful card :)

Chris Seahorse
09-25-2005, 09:49 PM
I am so so divided as to who to root for. There are no two people in the whole world of tennis who deserve to hold the Davis Cup trophy aloft more than Miloslav Mecir and Goran Ivanisevic. Only one will.

1sun
09-25-2005, 09:53 PM
the croats will cruise to victory

Deivid23
09-25-2005, 10:42 PM
Slovakia, and easier than expected

Jimnik
09-25-2005, 11:07 PM
Slovakia are at home but have a real problem choosing the surface.

Hrbaty is Slovakia's no.1 but Ancic has beaten him 3 times in a row on grass, hard and clay courts. Ljubicic has beaten Hrbaty 5 times in a row on carpet, hard and clay courts. Beck favours the same surfaces as Ancic and Ljubicic so he doesn't care which surface they play on. He has a loosing record against both.
It seems almost hopeless.

But I still think that inspite of this, Slovakia should opt for clay. Ljubicic is clearly more uncomfortable on this surface whereas Hrbaty can cope much better on this surface than the Croatians. Beck will struggle but, unfortunately, I think Slovakia have to accept that he'll loose his matches whatever surface they play on.
In the doubles, the big serves of Ancic/Ivanisevic/Ljubicic will be neutralised on clay giving the advantage to the Slovaks who don't serve so big.

If the tie is played on fast courts, I would fancy a 5-0 win to Croatia. On clay, it could go to a 5th rubber.

Scotso
09-25-2005, 11:09 PM
Beck will struggle but, unfortunately, I think Slovakia have to accept that he'll loose his matches whatever surface they play on.

That's what people said vs. Spain, and again vs. Argentina.

bad gambler
09-25-2005, 11:11 PM
can anyone stop ljubicic?

i see him winning both singles matches, so the doubles could well decide this, sign that this final could be really tight!

croat123
09-25-2005, 11:14 PM
here's the thing. by picking clay, slovakia automatically loses because beck just can't play on it period.

if they pick a fast surface, ivan will win all three of his matches

therefore, croatia wins :p

croat123
09-25-2005, 11:15 PM
That's what people said vs. Spain, and again vs. Argentina.
yes, except those were matches were the surface was an issue

croat123
09-25-2005, 11:18 PM
Please Slovakia, now take the title and don't let stupid Ljubicic win it :retard: :retard:
:wavey:

you're an idiot :D

s.m.
09-25-2005, 11:56 PM
Please Slovakia, now take the title and don't let stupid Ljubicic win it :retard: :retard:

suck this

http://www.index.hr/images2/ljubicicdaviscup189v.jpg

Jogy
09-26-2005, 12:01 AM
suck this
the only one who will suck will be Ljubicic against Hrbaty and Slovakia ;) :lol:
:wavey:


you're an idiot :D
I'm an idiot, but not more as you spraying hate for players like Roddick or other players that YOU yourself dislike

croat123
09-26-2005, 12:10 AM
the only one who will suck will be Ljubicic against Hrbaty and Slovakia ;) :lol:
:wavey:



I'm an idiot, but not more as you spraying hate for players like Roddick or other players that YOU yourself dislike
only for roddick, and i have a number of sane reasons for hating him :)

KoOlMaNsEaN
09-26-2005, 12:11 AM
I think Croatia will win/ They seem to be a more unified team and plus they are great in all of their matches. It will take something good to beat 'em

s.m.
09-26-2005, 12:13 AM
the only one who will suck will be Ljubicic against Hrbaty and Slovakia ;) :lol:
:wavey:


suck like agasssi, a-rod, bryans, belgians, pavel, hanescu, germans.......
they all got their share
hrbaty the girl, and beck are next
don´t you worry ;)

Jogy
09-26-2005, 12:17 AM
suck like agasssi, a-rod, bryans, belgians, pavel, hanescu, germans.......
they all got their share
hrbaty the girl, and beck are next
don´t you worry ;)
:lol:
Hrbaty this girl, will slap crybaby and whiner Ljubicic's ass like never before in this Davis Cup final ;)

ys
09-26-2005, 01:14 AM
Slovaks will put them on slow dirt and will beat them easily..

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 01:21 AM
Slovaks will put them on slow dirt and will beat them easily..
Even that isn't guarenteed. Out of Ancic, Ivan, and Beck, Beck is probably the worst on clay :shrug: If the Slovak's use clay, and I guess there is a good chance that they will, then it will probably come down to the doubles. Unless Beck surprises me, which he very well may. It is Davis Cup, afterall.

Scotso
09-26-2005, 01:30 AM
Even that isn't guarenteed. Out of Ancic, Ivan, and Beck, Beck is probably the worst on clay :shrug: If the Slovak's use clay, and I guess there is a good chance that they will, then it will probably come down to the doubles. Unless Beck surprises me, which he very well may. It is Davis Cup, afterall.

Beck is for sure the worst on clay.

I think it might be a good move, though. Dominik would probably win his matches, and they could just pray to win the doubles.

They could also put Kucera out there, he's probably better on clay than Karol.

ys
09-26-2005, 01:33 AM
Even that isn't guarenteed. Out of Ancic, Ivan, and Beck, Beck is probably the worst on clay :shrug:

Slovaks can still play Kucera..:) Besides, it will be December.. No one is ready to play on clay.. Hrbaty will win his matches. And Ancic will lose his matches anyway.. He can't win a singles match in DC..

ys
09-26-2005, 01:35 AM
Beck is for sure the worst on clay.


I don't think we can say for sure.. Most of his losses on clay this year came to very good clay players, players who are easily better on clay than Ljubicic or Ancic.

RogiFan88
09-26-2005, 02:29 AM
I don't know who'll win but I'm cheering for CROATIA cos I want Ljubicic to win.

hablovah19
09-26-2005, 02:51 AM
I hope Croatia wins :bounce:

Deivid23
09-26-2005, 06:46 AM
can anyone stop ljubicic?

i see him winning both singles matches, so the doubles could well decide this, sign that this final could be really tight!

I´m wondering who´s gonna stop Hrbaty playing at home though ;)

Deivid23
09-26-2005, 06:49 AM
Slovaks will put them on slow dirt and will beat them easily..

Imo Slovakia will choose for sure the same surface that they´ve been using so far as Hrbaty is a monster on that court and also Beck and Mertinak feel great there. "Don´t touch those things that have worked great"

bad gambler
09-26-2005, 06:57 AM
I´m wondering who´s gonna stop Hrbaty playing at home though ;)

I guess it all depends on the surface :shrug: Both like it fast so it will be interesting if they play on clay.

Stevens Point
09-26-2005, 07:33 AM
I hope to see Goran come back! :)


www.eurosport.com
Ivanisevic to come back?

Former Wimbledon champion Goran Ivanisevic could come out of retirement to play in December's Davis Cup final against Slovakia, Croatia captain Niki Pilic said after his side's semi-final victory on Sunday.


Ljubicic the hero as Croatia advance

Assistant coach Ivanisevic joined in the celebrations at Split's Gripe Sports Hall after Ivan Ljubicic had capped a superb weekend by beating Nikolay Davydenko 6-3 7-6 6-4 to give Croatia a decisive 3-1 lead over Russia.

Split-born Pilic, who in a previous role steered Germany to three Davis Cup crowns, said Ivanisevic and Sasa Tuksar, the fourth player in this weekend's semi-final, will play off 10 days before the final to be held in Bratislava in December.

"I'm telling everyone now for the first time that there will be a one-off match between Goran and Sasa at my club in Munich," Pilic told reporters.

"It will be held on a fast rebound ace court at 500m altitude, and that will help Goran," he added with a smile.

"Whoever wins will be the fourth player. But if Goran loses he will still be with us for the final. If Goran wins Sasa will also still be with us."

fanancic
09-26-2005, 08:01 AM
CROATIA WILL WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Ivan can't lose a match in DC; Ancic Ljubicic are the best tam of double and Mario Will win his first single in DC!!!!

Aleksa's Laydee
09-26-2005, 08:50 AM
croatia i hope! :D

MariaV
09-26-2005, 10:16 AM
Ljubo & Mario won't lose the dubs and Ivan will take the 2 singles needed. :D Whatever the surface. AJMO HRVATSKA!!!!!!! :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :bigclap:

Deivid23
09-26-2005, 10:32 AM
I guess it all depends on the surface :shrug: Both like it fast so it will be interesting if they play on clay.

Yes, I´ve just read Hrbaty thinks they may use a slower surface, hope they don´t as I think they should stick to the same conditions that have carried them to the final.

User id 7816
09-26-2005, 10:53 AM
hmm, they wouldnt possibly choose a surface that fits them less well than the one they've had all the success on, just coz it may be less favourable for the croatians too, would they? atleast they know their high chances in the IH so it wouldnt make much sence I guess...

Poljud
09-26-2005, 10:57 AM
I wouldnt be surprised if Slovakia chose rebound ace. Definitely the best for Hrbatyboy, QF at Oz Open not to mention his singles successes in Adelaide/Auckland.

Anyone planning on going? Im definitely going to try!

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 12:55 PM
Yes, I´ve just read Hrbaty thinks they may use a slower surface, hope they don´t as I think they should stick to the same conditions that have carried them to the final.

There are a lot of factors involved here. The Croatians are competent on all surfaces, so if Slovakia chose clay then Beck would lose 2 singles matches. Then it would come down to the doubles, and Ljubo/Ancic are a very good doubles team for sure.

If they go faster surface it will suit the Croatians a bit more, though Hrbaty can play on the fast ones as well. I can't wait to see what they will do for this tie.

Deivid23
09-26-2005, 01:02 PM
There are a lot of factors involved here. The Croatians are competent on all surfaces, so if Slovakia chose clay then Beck would lose 2 singles matches. Then it would come down to the doubles, and Ljubo/Ancic are a very good doubles team for sure.

If they go faster surface it will suit the Croatians a bit more, though Hrbaty can play on the fast ones as well. I can't wait to see what they will do for this tie.

Sure, I knew about Hrbaty´s record at DC so I wasn´t surprised by his high-standard performances, but from what I´ve seen in both ties against Spain and Argentina, Beck has also played at an excellent level so I wouldn´t be sure about him losing both matches on clay. It´s not as he can´t play tennis at all on clay, I see it more as an attitude problem (mainly, lack of patience) and that won´t be too much of a headache on a DC final tie. But on clay, Mertinak won´t be as effective so they will likely lose the doubles rubber on a slower surface. Still think the best would be playing as always, in that little court of Bratislava with that fast surface. Looking forward to Slovak decision, anyway.

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 01:23 PM
I don't see Beck beating Ljubo on clay, and the Croatians do have an advantage in the doubles, though it's a very close thing. I just hope it goes down to the 5th match like in 2002.

Beck and Ancic on clay for the Davis Cup that would be worth seeing, though if they play on a fast surface then Beck becomes more of a factor. The choice will be interesting as each surface choice gives one advantage, then takes another away.

JonnyC21
09-26-2005, 01:49 PM
I think Croatia will win, but if it's on clay it will be tough as Hrbaty is a formidable clay court player and Ljubo and Ancic's games don't translate as well to the surface as they do to faster courts, although they are far from hacks on the surface.
On hard Slovakia will be blown away, they played above their station against Argentina but with Ivanisevic the Croats will be super inspired.

oneandonlyhsn
09-26-2005, 02:00 PM
ivan will win the DC final

Ditto, unless the Slovaks find a way of winning the 1st match against Ljubo Croatia will win it

Jim Jones
09-26-2005, 02:45 PM
WOW, they couldn't have picked 2 smaller countries to reach the Davis Cup final - maybe Gilles Muller will get Luxembourg to the final next year.

Is this the 1st time the DC final will feature no top 10 players? It's really quite astonishing what these guys have achieved. Spain and Argentina have so may top 100 players to choose from while Slovakia have just the two. Ljubicic has been unbelievable this year. Beating Agassi and Roddick in America on hard courts and beating the Bryan brothers in doubles - ubelievable. Now he's done the treble again, beating Youzhny, Davydenko and Andreev/Tursunov. Ljubicic has been the player of the season.

I think this is Croatia's year.
Croatia is twice the size of Belguim and Slovakia is bigger than Switzerland. :)

croat123
09-26-2005, 02:50 PM
Croatia is twice the size of Belguim and Slovakia is bigger than Switzerland. :)
croatia has 4.5 million people, belgium has 10.5 million, switzerland has 7.5

not to mention the fact that croatia was involved in a major civil war a bit over 10 years ago and is a signifcantely poorer country than belgium and switzerland

Chris Seahorse
09-26-2005, 03:09 PM
There are a lot of factors involved here. The Croatians are competent on all surfaces, so if Slovakia chose clay then Beck would lose 2 singles matches. Then it would come down to the doubles, and Ljubo/Ancic are a very good doubles team for sure.

If they go faster surface it will suit the Croatians a bit more, though Hrbaty can play on the fast ones as well. I can't wait to see what they will do for this tie.

I think Slovakia would be crazy to play the tie on clay. Sure neither Ljubicic or Ancic are at their best on clay but they are both a damn sight better on the surface than Beck.

For the record since the start of 2003 Karol Beck is 4-23 on clay. His wins came against Didac Perez, John Van Lottum, Wayne Arthurs and Igor Kunitsyn. Since beating Didac Perez (currently ranked 375) in May 2004, Beck has lost all 8 matches he has played on clay in straight sets. Not one of the 18 sets has gone into a tiebreak either. Okay so playing on clay means conceding two ties to the Croats. That would be fine if Slovakia could be confident about winning the other three ties but as Hrbaty has lost his last three matches to Ancic and ALL FOUR matches he has played against Ljubicic this is hardly the case. Hrbaty is 0-1 vs Ancic on clay and 0-2 vs Ljubicic on clay.

People talk about Ljubicic as if he is one of the those guys who is much better on some surfaces that others. I don't really believe that to be so. What is true is that Ljubicic is a much better player in some SITUATIONS that others. Were Beck or Hrbaty to play Ljubicic in a Grand Slam (any Grand Slam, except in the case of Beck RG) I would fancy the Slovaks to win. Ljubicic is a crap Grand Slam competitor whose career slam record speaks for itself (15-25), but in Davis Cup he is going to be very tough to beat WHATEVER they play on.

So what do the Slovaks do? They need Beck to provide at least one singles win as they clearly can not depend on Hrbaty for two. That means they don't play on clay. At the same time Ancic and Ljubicic both have big serves, bigger than the Slovaks for sure. So what surface do they go with then? They lay a medium to slow paced hardcourt. It is still a tough ask but that gives them their best chance for victory for sure.

propi
09-26-2005, 03:13 PM
Slovakia :woohoo:
Could be nice if Karol Kucera played... he's world class :worship:

Chris Seahorse
09-26-2005, 03:24 PM
Slovakia :woohoo:
Could be nice if Karol Kucera played... he's world class :worship:

I like Kucera too but his form over the last few months suggests he's very much past his best. Shame - they could really have used the Kucera of the late 90s or even the Kucera of 2003. But this years model isn't going to get a win against Ancic or Ljubicic methinks.

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 03:44 PM
I think Slovakia would be crazy to play the tie on clay. Sure neither Ljubicic or Ancic are at their best on clay but they are both a damn sight better on the surface than Beck.

Strange things happen and I was throwing out different scenarios, though I do know Beck and claycourt clown are fairly apt.

That would be fine if Slovakia could be confident about winning the other three ties but as Hrbaty has lost his last three matches to Ancic and ALL FOUR matches he has played against Ljubicic this is hardly the case. Hrbaty is 0-1 vs Ancic on clay and 0-2 vs Ljubicic on clay.

DC is different, for example Hrbaty is crap against Haas, come DC time then he grows extra legs, the situation could be the same here, then again it might not be same here.

So what do the Slovaks do? They need Beck to provide at least one singles win as they clearly can not depend on Hrbaty for two. That means they don't play on clay. At the same time Ancic and Ljubicic both have big serves, bigger than the Slovaks for sure. So what surface do they go with then? They lay a medium to slow paced hardcourt. It is still a tough ask but that gives them their best chance for victory for sure.

What's the saying the team is only as strong as its weakest link. Ancic is better than Beck on clay, therefore the surface would more than likely be hardcourt. The speed of the hardcourt could be interesting, they won't make it like ice.

Ljubo is on fire in DC as well, so do they cater to their strengths or try and find weaknesses in the Croatian team.

Chris Seahorse
09-26-2005, 04:01 PM
Strange things happen and I was throwing out different scenarios, though I do know Beck and claycourt clown are fairly apt.



DC is different, for example Hrbaty is crap against Haas, come DC time then he grows extra legs, the situation could be the same here, then again it might not be same here.



What's the saying the team is only as strong as its weakest link. Ancic is better than Beck on clay, therefore the surface would more than likely be hardcourt. The speed of the hardcourt could be interesting, they won't make it like ice.

Ljubo is on fire in DC as well, so do they cater to their strengths or try and find weaknesses in the Croatian team.

I think we agree. A slowish hardcourt is definately what is called for :)

Chris Seahorse
09-26-2005, 04:09 PM
DC is different, for example Hrbaty is crap against Haas, come DC time then he grows extra legs, the situation could be the same here, then again it might not be same here.


Completely agree. And I hope that Hrbaty can win at least one of his matches and don't see any reason he can't (although it won't be easy) but I think the point I was trying to make was that it wouldn't greatly benefit Dominik playing on clay and he has just as much chance on fast surfaces to get some wins as on clay. Also I think it is likely both Karol and Dominik are going to have to get wins against Ancic. If either of them can beat Ljubicic that would be a wonderful bonus.

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 04:12 PM
Completely agree. And I hope that Hrbaty can win at least one of his matches and don't see any reason he can't (although it won't be easy) but I think the point I was trying to make was that it wouldn't greatly benefit Dominik playing on clay and he has just as much chance on fast surfaces to get some wins as on clay. Also I think it is likely both Karol and Dominik are going to have to get wins against Ancic. If either of them can beat Ljubicic that would be a wonderful bonus.

Ok, Ljubo/Ancic win the doubles, this means that Hrbaty has to win on Day 1 against Ancic, as for the surface well he used to be better on clay than he is now.

Ljubo is like Nalle he lifts his game for DC and I will be looking forward to this final. I'd be happy either way as to who wins the Cup, but I will go for Slovakia, doesn't mean they will win.

croat123
09-26-2005, 04:13 PM
I think we agree. A slowish hardcourt is definately what is called for :)
like the one ljubo beat the americans on? :)

Chris Seahorse
09-26-2005, 04:27 PM
like the one ljubo beat the americans on? :)

Yup like the one Ljubo beat the americans on. I didn't say it would be easy.

mickymouse
09-26-2005, 04:48 PM
I hope it's Slovakia but with Ljubicic and Ancic against Hrbaty and Karol Beck, I have to say the odds are heavily tipped against them.

Experimentee
09-26-2005, 04:55 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if Slovakia chose rebound ace. Definitely the best for Hrbatyboy, QF at Oz Open not to mention his singles successes in Adelaide/Auckland.

Anyone planning on going? Im definitely going to try!

Rebound Ace wouldnt be a bad idea. But its pretty rare apart from Australia and I doubt they'd go to the trouble.

Deivid23
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
I hope it's Slovakia but with Ljubicic and Ancic against Hrbaty and Karol Beck, I have to say the odds are heavily tipped against them.

Not so heavily if we have a look at betting markets. They are settled at around 55-45% favouring the Croats atm.

Margy
09-26-2005, 10:33 PM
Well, I haven't personally done any court surface analysis...but looking at what others have written, it doesn't appear to be an overwhelming deciding factor whichever surface is chosen. And as others have already commented, H2H match results in regular tournament play are not valid indicators of Davis Cup play results. It's a whole different atmosphere where you have to expect the unexpected. As both teams have already this year gone into ties as the underdogs and come out as victors, I think you have to allow that this one could easily go either way. Records would tend to give the nod to Croatia, but Slovakia has choice of court and the home crowd advantage which, in DC, is tremendous. Given that we're not talking any real superstars here, I say that Slovakia will ride the crest of the at home advantage to the win.

(Not at all influenced by the fact that of the players left in this, Hrbaty is my favorite :) )

RaVeR
09-26-2005, 10:45 PM
GOOD LUCK CROATIA!!

CROATIA MUST WIN DAVIS CUP!!

El Legenda
09-27-2005, 05:22 AM
Go Ljubo

mickymouse
09-27-2005, 07:33 AM
Not so heavily if we have a look at betting markets. They are settled at around 55-45% favouring the Croats atm.

They probably figured it's the finals after all and the odds shouldn't be too lopsided. But it's hard to see the Croatian duo losing unless it's played on clay, which unfortuantely isn't the forte of the Slovak's team either.

By the way, do you remember last year's odds for the finals between Spain and USA?

Deivid23
09-27-2005, 10:13 AM
They probably figured it's the finals after all and the odds shouldn't be too lopsided. But it's hard to see the Croatian duo losing unless it's played on clay, which unfortuantely isn't the forte of the Slovak's team either.

By the way, do you remember last year's odds for the finals between Spain and USA?

Well, it´s a matter of opinions, I honestly think Slovakia will win if they play in the same surface they´ve done against Spain and Argentina,they have been a very underrated team throughout the year and this won´t change even in the finals.

Yeah Spain´s odds in last DC final were around @1.33 which meant a 75-25% chances favouring the Spanish team.

gamesport
09-27-2005, 10:25 AM
croatia for sure

Experimentee
09-27-2005, 05:32 PM
I think a hardcourt would be best but I wouldnt be surprised if they stick with the winning formula and use the same surface as they've always had. They've used it in every tie this year, even against the Netherlands, who like fast surfaces.

Raquel
09-27-2005, 06:53 PM
Slovakia want to hold the final at the Slovakian Tennis Centre which holds the bare minimum amount of people allowed in the ITF rules. Obviously the Slovaks would like to hold it where they have had good success in other ties but with home advantage maybe it would be a good thing to move to the 8,000 seater and get as much of a Slovak crowd in as possible? Compared to last year when Spain used one end of a football stadium, the Slovakian Tennis Centre would be totally different.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pages/v4/l2/s57/e7329/sport_lng2_spo57_evt7329_sto770849.shtml

Slovakia scored a shock 4-1 victory over favoured Argentina over the weekend to reach the Davis Cup final for the first time where they will face Croatia in December.

The Slovaks want to again play at their National Tennis Centre (NTC), which only seats around 4,000 -- the absolute minimum allowed under Davis Cup rules.

By comparison, Spain won last year's title in front of 27,000 spectators, the largest crowd to attend an official tennis competition ever.

"An International Tennis Federation (ITF) team will come to assess the situation next week," said Zuzana Wisterova, a spokeswoman for the Slovak Tennis Federation.

"Nothing has been decided yet, but obviously, the team wants to stay in the National Tennis Centre."

ALTERNATIVE VENUE

An alternative venue for the final is an ice hockey stadium in Bratislava, which could seat around 8,000 spectators, but the players are against such a move.

"It's possible that we will have to play someplace else," said Slovak number one Dominik Hrbaty. "But we'd like to play in the NTC, we know it well there and we feel good there."

The tennis centre opened two years ago with a 3-2 loss to the United States.

But it has since seen the team ride a wave of victories, including an upset of title holders Spain in the first round as well as thrashings of the Netherlands and Argentina.

The Slovaks believe they would not have to change the stadium, although they will have to obey to regulations on making available space for sponsors, players, fans and the ITF itself.

"It is 99 percent certain that we will play here (NTC). I believe that the ITF will accept this," head of the Slovak Tennis Federation, Igor Moska, told journalists.

El Legenda
09-27-2005, 07:10 PM
so whats the surface in the NTC- indoor carpet-Croatia wins- Hard- Croatia wins- Clay- Croatia wins- Grass- Croatia wins?

Jimnik
09-28-2005, 12:30 AM
I still think clay is Slovakia's wisest choice.
Forget Beck, he'll loose his matches whatever surface they play on. At least on clay, Hrbaty should be able to edge Ancic and Ljubicic. It could then come down to who wins the doubles and I think it's 50-50.

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 12:35 AM
Just throwing this out there

last time Ljubicic played Hrbaty on Clay: 6-1 6-1 Ljubo

croat123
09-28-2005, 12:35 AM
the doubles isn't 50-50 though. ivan and mario just don't lose their dc doubles matches...ever. :p

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 12:39 AM
On for everyone that things Hrbaty has advantage on Clay over Ljubicic and Ancic

Career vs Ljubicic- 0-5 Clay 0-2, 1-6 1-6, 0-6 7-6 4-6

vs Ancic- 2-3(lost last 3), Clay 0-1,7 6 6 7 5 7 close match

so if Beck plans to lose both, Ivan beats Hrbaty, dead rubber after day 2.

drf716
09-28-2005, 04:10 AM
should've been russia but i think croatia although i voted for slovakia.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 09:38 AM
On for everyone that things Hrbaty has advantage on Clay over Ljubicic and Ancic

Career vs Ljubicic- 0-5 Clay 0-2, 1-6 1-6, 0-6 7-6 4-6

vs Ancic- 2-3(lost last 3), Clay 0-1,7 6 6 7 5 7 close match

so if Beck plans to lose both, Ivan beats Hrbaty, dead rubber after day 2.

So what? Hrbaty plays his very best tennis at DC, he´s a different player :shrug:

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 09:41 AM
so whats the surface in the NTC- indoor carpet-Croatia wins- Hard- Croatia wins- Clay- Croatia wins- Grass- Croatia wins?

This reminds me of your stubborn conviction of Ljubicic beating Nadal in Miami and the tie will be for sure much closer than you think

fanancic
09-28-2005, 12:53 PM
CROATIA WILL WIN !!!!

Jimnik
09-28-2005, 01:25 PM
On for everyone that things Hrbaty has advantage on Clay over Ljubicic and Ancic

Career vs Ljubicic- 0-5 Clay 0-2, 1-6 1-6, 0-6 7-6 4-6

vs Ancic- 2-3(lost last 3), Clay 0-1,7 6 6 7 5 7 close match

so if Beck plans to lose both, Ivan beats Hrbaty, dead rubber after day 2.
Those Ljubicic meetings were 5 years ago. They don't mean much.
Hrbaty has had better results, than the Croats, on clay this year and I think on home soil he would have the slight edge.
On grass, clearly Hrbaty would loose both his matches because he hates grass. Beck would have a chance but would still be the underdog.

croat123
09-28-2005, 03:31 PM
So what? Hrbaty plays his very best tennis at DC, he´s a different player :shrug:
and the croats don't play better in DC?

Baseline
09-28-2005, 03:33 PM
Considering past records, if the Slovaks do win, won't that say something about the surface?

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 05:41 PM
and the croats don't play better in DC?

Sure, Mario is a real force in DC

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 05:44 PM
Sure, Mario is a real force in DC

does anyone depend of Mario to win a match?(even thought if it gets to 5th rubber, he should have to trouble beating Beck, but it wont get there). Ivan wins 3, thats how its been all year. i mean Ivan spanks agassi in easy 3, makes roddick look like a fool in the 5th set, takes on davydenko in easy 3.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 05:48 PM
does anyone depend of Mario to win a match?(even thought if it gets to 5th rubber, he should have to trouble beating Beck, but it wont get there). Ivan wins 3, thats how its been all year. i mean Ivan spanks agassi in easy 3, makes roddick look like a fool in the 5th set, takes on davydenko in easy 3.

ITF should already give the trophy to Croatia

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 05:48 PM
ITF should already give the trophy to Croatia

I know, no point of waiting 2months :)

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 05:49 PM
does anyone depend of Mario to win a match?(even thought if it gets to 5th rubber, he should have to trouble beating Beck, but it wont get there). Ivan wins 3, thats how its been all year. i mean Ivan spanks agassi in easy 3, makes roddick look like a fool in the 5th set, takes on davydenko in easy 3.

And btw, if it gets decided in a 5th rubber and if they play in the same surface as Slovakia has played all their ties (which is a likely scenario) Beck will kill Mario ;)

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 05:50 PM
And btw, if all gets decided in a 5th rubber and if they play in the same surface as Slovakia has played all their ties (which is a likely scenario) Beck will kill Mario ;)

but if they do play on surface that slovakia played all their ties, Day 3 dead rubber.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 05:52 PM
but if they do play on surface that slovakia played all their ties, Day 3 dead rubber.

:lol:

Ancic won´t win Hrbaty and Beck will give Ivan a hard time for sure. Slovakia has also a chance on doubles rubber, it won´t be as easy as you think that´s guaranteed.

cecilija
09-28-2005, 05:54 PM
Croatia will win. ljubcic is too good for the slovaquians


that

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm with Deivid on this one, it'll be close.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 05:57 PM
but if they do play on surface that slovakia played all their ties, Day 3 dead rubber.

I told you the same in Miami in that Ljubicic-Nadal and I say it now: If you are so strongly convinced, you have pretty decent odds for Croatia to win the Cup, bet your house. ;)

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 06:02 PM
I told you the same in Miami in that Ljubicic-Nadal and I say it now: If you are so strongly convinced, you have pretty decent odds for Croatia to win the Cup, bet your house. ;)

Miami is one match and out. this is win 3 of 5 and Slovakia cant win 3 of 5. on whatever surface the pick.

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 06:03 PM
I told you the same in Miami in that Ljubicic-Nadal and I say it now: If you are so strongly convinced, you have pretty decent odds for Croatia to win the Cup, bet your house. ;)

I remember that match. A real classic. It was when the Croatian army were out in force on MTF, and wouldn't shutup. They've quietened down somewhat since then :D

cecilija
09-28-2005, 06:04 PM
croatia will win 3-2 or 4-1
ljbucic will win his two singles matches and the doubles match

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 06:05 PM
Miami is one match and out. this is win 3 of 5 and Slovakia cant win 3 of 5. on whatever surface the pick.

Slovakia can perfectly win 3 matches, and they won´t be far from that, wait and see ;)

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 06:07 PM
Slovakia can perfectly win 3 matches, and they won´t be far from that, wait and see ;)

no they can't, wait and see.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 06:07 PM
I remember that match. A real classic. It was when the Croatian army were out in force on MTF, and wouldn't shutup. They've quietened down somewhat since then :D

Indeed, this one will be louder though, specially now that indoor season comes and Ljubicic will start to make good results. When Ivan makes a good AMS Madrid and AMS Paris, wait and see how many Croats say Ivan will win all his matches in str8 sets in DC final ;)

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 06:09 PM
Indeed, this one will be louder though, specially now that indoor season comes and Ljubicic will start to make good results. When Ivan makes a good AMS Madrid and AMS Paris, wait and see how many Croats say Ivan will win all his matches in str8 sets in DC final ;)

Im not gonna wait after indoor season, ill say it now. Ivan will win every match he plays in DC FINAL. quote me.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 06:10 PM
Im not gonna wait after indoor season, ill say it now. Ivan will win every match he plays in DC FINAL. quote me.

Will Ivan show some mercy and let the poor Slovaks win a set?

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 06:11 PM
Indeed, this one will be louder though, specially now that indoor season comes and Ljubicic will start to make good results. When Ivan makes a good AMS Madrid and AMS Paris, wait and see how many Croats say Ivan will win all his matches in str8 sets in DC final ;)

Yeah you're probably right. I'm beginning to want Slovakia to win the DC now, it'll be funny.

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 06:11 PM
Will Ivan show some mercy and let the poor Slovaks win a set?

maybe 1.

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 06:12 PM
Im not gonna wait after indoor season, ill say it now. Ivan will win every match he plays in DC FINAL. quote me.

Ivan will suffer from nerves, the Dominator will take him out

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 06:13 PM
Yeah you're probably right. I'm beginning to want Slovakia to win the DC now, it'll be funny.

I don´t care who wins right now, but I´ll probably bet on Slovaks if odds drift enough as I think they will after Ljubicic gets some good wins in these 2 months

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 01:39 AM
I don´t care who wins right now, but I´ll probably bet on Slovaks if odds drift enough as I think they will after Ljubicic gets some good wins in these 2 months

well if Ljubo wins a few match in last 4 tournys he plays and his confiedence is high, yeah just what the slovaks need. and you said you know much about tennis :haha:

PaulieM
09-29-2005, 02:19 AM
Yeah you're probably right. I'm beginning to want Slovakia to win the DC now, it'll be funny.
:ras: that would break my heart :sad:

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 02:44 AM
:ras: that would break my heart :sad:
Dont worry Paulie, Ivan wont let that happen :lol:

Fergie
09-29-2005, 02:52 AM
Dont worry Paulie, Ivan wont let that happen :lol:
We know that! ;)

Deivid23
09-29-2005, 09:17 AM
well if Ljubo wins a few match in last 4 tournys he plays and his confiedence is high, yeah just what the slovaks need. and you said you know much about tennis :haha:

Well I don´t expect a simple mind like yours to understand how odds evolve and what is betting all about. Keep up these kind of ridiculous posts ;)

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 04:34 PM
Well I don´t expect a simple mind like yours to understand how odds evolve and what is betting all about. Keep up these kind of ridiculous posts ;)

well you can have all the odds you want, when there is no chance of winning, keep acting like you know something about tennis and betting, we are having great time watching your show.

croat123
09-30-2005, 02:11 AM
Well I don´t expect a simple mind like yours to understand how odds evolve and what is betting all about. Keep up these kind of ridiculous posts ;)
so you wait for one player to start playing great tennis and then constantly bet against them? :o

anyways, i don't care about odds. i don't care about what anyone thinks cause croatia (i.e. ivan) is gonna kick butt in the final and, not only are we gonna win dc this year, we're gonna win it next year too :p

El Legenda
09-30-2005, 06:19 AM
since we are talking about Davis Cup, how about a photo of DC moments this year

http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/ivanr.jpg

Action Jackson
11-29-2005, 12:30 AM
Only a few days to go and I still haven't decided who I think will win the Davis Cup. I wonder if Hrbaty or Ljubicic will be the first match. Russia were the last team to win the Davis Cup away from home.

DrJules
11-29-2005, 01:32 AM
Have to go with Croatia. They have the better and more experienced players in Ivan Ljubicic who is in very good form and Mario Ancic who is high quality. The court surface does not give either team a significant advantage unlike when Slovakia played Spain and Argentina who were let down by Coria. Expect Croatia to win first 3 rubbers. Among the 2 last matches Hrbaty played he was humiliated by Gonzalez and Roddick each only losing 3 games. Cannot remember when Beck played match against top 100 player.

RickDaStick
11-29-2005, 01:38 AM
According to Hrbaty: Slovakia will win

sol
11-29-2005, 01:56 AM
Croatia if Goran plays doubles :angel:

Action Jackson
11-29-2005, 02:02 AM
According to Hrbaty: Slovakia will win

Did he say that or just the fact that most people expect Croatia to win and they are not the favourites.

Scotso
11-29-2005, 02:49 AM
Did he say that or just the fact that most people expect Croatia to win and they are not the favourites.

Of course he said Slovakia will win. Did you expect him to say they will lose?

Action Jackson
11-29-2005, 02:51 AM
Of course he said Slovakia will win. Did you expect him to say they will lose?

Well if someone is going to say, they are going to win beforehand, then they have to deliver or look like a muppet.

El Legenda
11-29-2005, 02:52 AM
Of course he said Slovakia will win. Did you expect him to say they will lose?

hey dumbass, no one says they will win or lose, they say we or i have a chance.

what a stupid statement, think about what you said. wow.

Scotso
11-29-2005, 03:11 AM
hey dumbass, no one says they will win or lose, they say we or i have a chance.

what a stupid statement, think about what you said. wow.

you have serious issues.

El Legenda
11-29-2005, 03:13 AM
you have serious issues.

good come back

Scotso
11-29-2005, 03:16 AM
I've been told not to fight with you anymore, and I'm not going to.

El Legenda
11-29-2005, 03:18 AM
I've been told not to fight with you anymore, and I'm not going to.

Okay, see you later alligator :yawn:

who's trying to fight. im just telling you, no one says they will win or lose when asked. they always say i have a chance. :wavey:

Action Jackson
11-29-2005, 03:20 AM
Davis Cup is a different environment and anything can happen, well just hope for the Croatians sake that they don't underestimate Slovakia, it is not going to be 5-0 like some Cro fans think.

Scotso
11-29-2005, 03:58 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2749038&postcount=9

:haha:

El Legenda
11-29-2005, 04:05 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2749038&postcount=9

:haha:

Did i quote Hrbaty in the title of the thread? idiot.

Scotso
11-29-2005, 04:07 AM
no one says they will win or lose

so then, you are classified as "no one"?

El Legenda
11-29-2005, 04:08 AM
so then, you are classified as "no one"?
right on jack:yeah:

Oriental_Rain
11-29-2005, 04:18 AM
I hope SLOVAKIA will deliver but its gonna be a tough one :scared:

Action Jackson
11-30-2005, 06:00 AM
It looks like the poll result is clear enough, but if Slovakia win, it will be funny for a multitude of reasons.

syd
11-30-2005, 01:30 PM
i want Slovakia to win but crotia is stronger especially Ivan.

fanancic
12-01-2005, 09:46 AM
CROATIA!!!!!!

Action Jackson
12-01-2005, 11:50 AM
Ljubicic is playing the first match, so the Croats will be happy about this.

Deivid23
12-01-2005, 12:17 PM
And Beck is also playing (despite It looked like he was sitting) and those are very good news for Slovakia

Action Jackson
12-01-2005, 12:20 PM
Yes, I think maybe it might be some tactics from the Slovaks, we'll see soon enough the form.

Karol Beck (SVK) v Ivan Ljubicic (CRO)
Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) v Mario Ancic (CRO)

Karol Beck/Michael Mertinak (SVK) v Mario Ancic/Ivan Ljubicic (CRO)

Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) v Ivan Ljubicic (CRO)
Karol Beck (SVK) v Mario Ancic (CRO)

fanancic
12-01-2005, 12:26 PM
COME ON CROATIA !!!!!
COME ON MARIO !!!!

Jim Jones
12-01-2005, 12:38 PM
Yes, I think maybe it might be some tactics from the Slovaks, we'll see soon enough the form.

Karol Beck (SVK) v Ivan Ljubicic (CRO)
Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) v Mario Ancic (CRO)

Karol Beck/Michael Mertinak (SVK) v Mario Ancic/Ivan Ljubicic (CRO)

Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) v Ivan Ljubicic (CRO)
Karol Beck (SVK) v Mario Ancic (CRO)
You mean the newspaper article from Pravda could have been a tactic? After all it was the Slovak media that started this rumor. Speaking of the printed press, the Armstrong rumors perpetuated by l'equipe have not been founded. So things are looking bright for Puerta or maybe I'm too optimistic. :)

shotgun
12-01-2005, 01:14 PM
If it was a tactic, then I guess it was one of the dirtiest tactics in tennis history. Daniel Koellerer would be proud.

Scotso
12-01-2005, 01:51 PM
Go Karol and Slovakia :D

RickDaStick
12-01-2005, 10:29 PM
Kucera thinks this is more likely than Ivanisevic: “I believe the result after two days will be 3-0 because we are full of energy. We believe in ourselves.” This Karol guy talks a lot for a guy who hasnt done much, also you may have more energy but the Croats are just better players with bigger and better weapons so who cares if your full of energy.

Frederick16
12-01-2005, 10:31 PM
croatia should win. but it would be more dramatic if they play goran and he lose the decisive point!! :eek:

El Legenda
12-01-2005, 10:32 PM
Kucera thinks this is more likely than Ivanisevic: “I believe the result after two days will be 3-0 because we are full of energy. We believe in ourselves.” This Karol guy takes a lot for a guy who hasnt done much, also you may have more energy but the Croats are just better players with bigger and better weapons so who cares if your full of energy.

"full of energy" and "believe in ourselves" what does he think that Ivan and Mario are feeling. "we suck" and "whats the point"? it will be 3-0 after day 2. :wavey:

El Legenda
12-01-2005, 10:38 PM
Ivanisevic thinks that he won’t be appearing.

“If we win 3-1, there’s no point of playing [the fifth rubber] because everybody’s going to be drunk."

:rolls:

maryjane2
12-02-2005, 12:22 AM
Ivanisevic is an idiot and a joke. I can't wait to see Ljubicic choke as he usually does in the big ones.

maryjane2
12-02-2005, 12:23 AM
I would also like to mention Ivans great record in 5 set matches.

Scotso
12-02-2005, 12:25 AM
This Karol guy talks a lot for a guy who hasnt done much, also you may have more energy but the Croats are just better players with bigger and better weapons so who cares if your full of energy.

:haha:

He was ranked higher than Ivan's ever been.

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:30 AM
:haha:

He was ranked higher than Ivan's ever been.

by 2 spots.

and Federer is also ranked higher the Karol ever was. :wavey:

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:31 AM
Ivanisevic is an idiot and a joke. I can't wait to see Ljubicic choke as he usually does in the big ones.

I would aslo like to see you come back here, Saturday after the tie is over.

Grinder
12-02-2005, 12:32 AM
Dude, Karol Kucera was a pretty awesome player in the late 90's. I believe he was ranked as high as number 6, but yeah he really does seem overconfident. Good luck to Kucera, he is retiring after the Davis Cup final, so hopefully he'll win his dead rubber.

Oh and "Maryjane" how is Ivanisevic an idiot?

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:33 AM
I would also like to mention Ivans great record in 5 set matches.

i believe he has not lost a 5 set match in DC, and whats the point, its not like Beck and Hrbaty can push ivan to 5 sets.

Action Jackson
12-02-2005, 12:34 AM
Lot of testosterone flowing about and there is one golden rule about talking big, got to finish the job. Humble pie is one of things that people don't like to eat.

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:35 AM
Lot of testosterone flowing about and there is one golden rule about talking big, got to finish the job.

:rolls: are we the ones playing :confused: , cant really finish the job. but 2 of slovak players said they will win 3-0, lets see them finish the job.

Action Jackson
12-02-2005, 12:37 AM
:rolls: are we the ones playing :confused: , cant really finish the job. but 2 of slovak players said they will win 3-0, lets see them finish the job.

If Slovakia win, then you will be making excuses. Hrbaty never said they would win 3-0, selective reading, they said they'd win, but didn't give any score.

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:39 AM
If Slovakia win, then you will be making excuses. Hrbaty never said they would win 3-0, selective reading, they said they'd win, but didn't give any score.

why would i make exuses over something i cant control? why do people here think that fans of players are directly affected and had something to do with a lose?

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:40 AM
If Slovakia win, then you will be making excuses. Hrbaty never said they would win 3-0, selective reading, they said they'd win, but didn't give any score.

Karol K said it will be 3-0 Saturday.

Action Jackson
12-02-2005, 12:41 AM
why would i make exuses over something i cant control? why do people here think that fans of players are directly affected and had something to do with a lose?

It's just MTF policy for excuses to be dished out, when a favourite of theirs loses unexpectedly, just look at the delusional Fed fans after he lost to Nalbandian as reason enough.

Action Jackson
12-02-2005, 12:42 AM
Karol K said it will be 3-0 Saturday.

Hrbaty isn't Kucera, hence why I didn't mention it in my previous post.

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:43 AM
It's just MTF policy for excuses to be dished out, when a favourite of theirs loses unexpectedly, just look at the delusional Fed fans after he lost to Nalbandian as reason enough.

well there wont be a reason for Croats to make any excuses, but there will be a reason to :drink: :wavey:

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:44 AM
Hrbaty isn't Kucera, hence why I didn't mention it in my previous post.
you aslo said "they" didnt give any score. Kucera is part of the they- 2 slovak players. and he did give a score, so we were both wrong :)

Action Jackson
12-02-2005, 12:52 AM
you aslo said "they" didnt give any score. Kucera is part of the they- 2 slovak players. and he did give a score, so we were both wrong :)

Kucera is the cheerleader, but he is the one making the big claims. All will be revealed soon enough.

El Legenda
12-02-2005, 12:53 AM
Kucera is the cheerleader, but he is the one making the big claims. All will be revealed soon enough.

the winner will be known in about 18hours :)

maryjane2
12-02-2005, 02:57 AM
I'll be here on saturday to elaborate.

maryjane2
12-02-2005, 10:09 PM
So much for 3-0. I can't believe Kucera lost.

Guybrush
12-02-2005, 10:46 PM
So much for 3-0. I can't believe Kucera lost.

Yeah, an almost retired player has lost against a Top 10 player. Very strange! :haha:

musefanatic
12-02-2005, 10:57 PM
I can see it going to 3-2, I hope it does for Slovakia's sake anyway, never like to see a team get whitewashed (just like Britain did! :rolleyes: )

landoud
12-03-2005, 12:28 PM
Croatia

Galaxystorm
12-03-2005, 12:32 PM
I hope Slovakia :) . If they win the doubles rubber the final victory will be ours :rocker2:

Action Jackson
12-04-2005, 08:48 AM
The Croats are up 2-1 now, the question is can Ljubo win the hugest match of the year for him. I mean he owns Hrbaty when they play on the tour, but this has extra pressure, it would be logical to think that Croatia should be able to finish it from here, even if it goes to the 5th match, but the final has been enjoyable so far, well the last 2 matches anyway.

Action Jackson
12-05-2005, 11:58 AM
Congrats to Croatians on winning the Davis Cup.