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AGASSI DOPED!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!!

swede
09-25-2005, 12:42 PM
http://aftonbladet.se/ettor/webb/26_normal.html

http://aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,703986,00.html

A book of three tennis people, one Magnus Norman points out players who has taken drugs, for example agassi. Also matches who has been fixed but that ATP hide all that stuff, and now ATP is very scared.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-25-2005, 12:43 PM
:lol:

*Ljubica*
09-25-2005, 12:43 PM
I thought everyone in tennis knew this :angel:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 01:02 PM
The world is round.

Denaon
09-25-2005, 01:03 PM
http://aftonbladet.se/ettor/webb/26_normal.html

http://aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,703986,00.html

A book of three tennis people, one Magnus Norman points out players who has taken drugs, for example agassi. Also matches who has been fixed but that ATP hide all that stuff, and now ATP is very scared.
:scratch: I can't read that language (swedish?).....If true (Agassi being doped, I do not care much) and ATP has responsibilities and there's proof, I WILL CELEBRATE WITH A NAKED DANCE. :secret: I know I'm safe on this one, it's not gonna happen :lol:

amierin
09-25-2005, 01:09 PM
This has been discussed on US tennis sites. Of course the ATP won't do a thing against St. Andre.

swede
09-25-2005, 01:09 PM
:scratch: I can't read that language (swedish?).....If true (Agassi being doped, I do not care much) and ATP has responsibilities and there's proof, I WILL CELEBRATE WITH A NAKED DANCE. :secret: I know I'm safe on this one, it's not gonna happen :lol:

hey, you are from argentina so I can understand you dont care :tape:

*Ljubica*
09-25-2005, 01:12 PM
:scratch: I can't read that language (swedish?).....If true (Agassi being doped, I do not care much) and ATP has responsibilities and there's proof, I WILL CELEBRATE WITH A NAKED DANCE. :secret: I know I'm safe on this one, it's not gonna happen :lol:

Shame I'll miss the naked dance :devil:

Denaon
09-25-2005, 01:20 PM
hey, you are from argentina so I can understand you dont care :tape:
No, you don't understand.
I'm not into finding new doping cases to redeem the argentine cases. If Agassi doped or not (it's not my business to clear that out) and in the case ATP has hidden it, well that's a different story....and you can get the whole picture of this ARGENTINIAN DOPERS SOAP OPERA.

sigmagirl91
09-25-2005, 01:56 PM
:scratch: I can't read that language (swedish?).....If true (Agassi being doped, I do not care much) and ATP has responsibilities and there's proof, I WILL CELEBRATE WITH A NAKED DANCE. :secret: I know I'm safe on this one, it's not gonna happen :lol:

Please do keep your clothes on, hon. ;)

Pea
09-25-2005, 01:59 PM
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

star
09-25-2005, 02:01 PM
I think there have been suspicions about Andre ever since he put Gil Reyes on the payroll and begin to bulk up. Plus his taking months off during each season also leads people to believe he is using steroids.

I'd love to get a copy of Magnus's book.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 02:06 PM
The part of the article that relates to Agassi.

Bland de tennisstjärnor som pekas ut finns Andre Agassi, toppspelare som vid flera tillfällen omgetts av dopningsrykten.

Skälet är de mirakelkurer som vid flera tillfällen förvandlat Agassi från lönnfet och slapp till supertrimmad på bara några veckor - och att han ibland plötsligt och utan förklaring valt att hoppa av och inte ställa upp i vissa turneringar.

Amongst the tennis stars which points out Andre Agassi, top players on a number of occasions are surrounded by doping rumours.

The reasons of the miracle cures on a number of occasions Agassi transforms from chubby and flabby to supertrim in only some weeks and that he sometimes suddenly and without explanation chosen to withdraw and not show up in certain tournaments.

*Ljubica*
09-25-2005, 02:09 PM
Thanks for the translation.

hablovah19
09-25-2005, 02:13 PM
I guess this really shouldn't surprise me :eek:

we usually give up our own athletes (ben johnson) while other countries, well... :lol:

star
09-25-2005, 02:15 PM
I wouldn't be putting the halo on Canada just yet. Canada didn't "give up" Ben Johnson. He was caught after his win at the Olympics. (Korea, I think) It wasn't Canada, it was the Olympic testing.

NyGeL
09-25-2005, 02:16 PM
it's a political decission, like most doping cases (for example... cañas)

hablovah19
09-25-2005, 02:16 PM
I wouldn't be putting the halo on Canada just yet. Canada didn't "give up" Ben Johnson. He was caught after his win at the Olympics. (Korea, I think) It wasn't Canada, it was the Olympic testing.

but we didn't try to cover it up/hush it up... instead he suddenly was more of a jamaican, instead of a canadian :haha:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the translation.

That was the basic version and I couldn't be bothered doing the whole article, though I might get the book.

Saumon
09-25-2005, 02:21 PM
who wrote that book? magnus? :confused:

sigmagirl91
09-25-2005, 02:22 PM
Agassi and doped in the same sentence: the ATP will shit bricks.

Denaon
09-25-2005, 02:24 PM
Agassi and doped in the same sentence: the ATP will shit bricks.
:haha: :lol:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 02:24 PM
Agassi and doped in the same sentence: the ATP will shit bricks.

The words that can be made to use a sentence are sweeping, under and carpet.

sigmagirl91
09-25-2005, 02:25 PM
The words that can be made to use a sentence are sweeping, under and carpet.

And quickly, moving, and on will follow.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 02:27 PM
There has always bee this rumor on the non participation of Andre in en edition of AO, at the last minute, for a mysterious wrist injury...
regarding Ben Johnson it was linked to an internal war in the IOC on testing procedures, and to a new test on stanozolol that just appeared for the games... Ben Johnson paid for so many athletes, that was a bit too much though he was guilty...

hablovah19
09-25-2005, 02:29 PM
There has always bee this rumor on the non participation of Andre in en edition of AO, at the last minute, for a mysterious wrist injury...
regarding Ben Johnson it was linked to an internal war in the IOC on testing procedures, and to a new test on stanozolol that just appeared for the games... Ben Johnson paid for so many athletes, that was a bit too much though he was guilty...

I felt sorry for Ben Johnson in that regard! :sad:

The only thing is why did he have to make the same mistake twice ?? :banghead:

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 02:37 PM
Could someone post the translated version pls ?

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 02:40 PM
Could someone post the translated version pls ?

I just did.

Peoples
09-25-2005, 02:45 PM
http://aftonbladet.se/ettor/webb/26_normal.html

http://aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,703986,00.html

A book of three tennis people, one Magnus Norman points out players who has taken drugs, for example agassi. Also matches who has been fixed but that ATP hide all that stuff, and now ATP is very scared.
Get the **** outta here pointless ***hole and take your stupid ass rumours **** with you

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 02:49 PM
bloddy l'equipe :rolleyes:

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 02:50 PM
I just did.

he would like it translated to a more exotic language.

perhaps swahili, or american.

:p

PaulieM
09-25-2005, 02:51 PM
it can't be true, andre is god, and god doesn't do drugs

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 02:55 PM
it can't be true, andre is god, and god doesn't do drugs

it's true.

even Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones are willing to vouch for him!!!

:eek:

Carito_90
09-25-2005, 02:57 PM
There must be so many doping cases we probably never hear about because the ATP covers them...

amierin
09-25-2005, 03:01 PM
it's true.

even Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones are willing to vouch for him!!!

:eek:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

American's don't want to believe this or discuss it. Post it on ESPN or SI and see what happens. Your thread dies from lack of interest.
I'm against doping because it makes marginal players or players who should be retired look competitive with the top men/women.
But the two people vouching for Andre say it all. Armstrong is right up there with Andre in sainthood.

PaulieM
09-25-2005, 03:03 PM
it's true.

even Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones are willing to vouch for him!!!

:eek:
jesus and the virgin mary don't lie

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 03:03 PM
Agassi and Armstrong walk on water together.

revolution
09-25-2005, 03:06 PM
What a rubbish thread.

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 03:08 PM
jesus and the virgin mary don't lie

:lol:

MisterQ
09-25-2005, 03:12 PM
It's all speculation. :shrug:

Agassi is tested quite frequently, like the others. If you wish to believe that the ATP is covering up results, well, I can't prove it one way or the other. That would just be more speculation. ;)

hablovah19
09-25-2005, 03:23 PM
it's true.

even Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones are willing to vouch for him!!!

:eek:

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Chloe le Bopper
09-25-2005, 03:27 PM
Get the **** outta here pointless ***hole and take your stupid ass rumours **** with you

:retard:

Denaon
09-25-2005, 03:28 PM
:retard:
:lol:

Experimentee
09-25-2005, 03:35 PM
The part of the article that relates to Agassi.



Amongst the tennis stars which points out Andre Agassi, top players on a number of occasions are surrounded by doping rumours.

The reasons of the miracle cures on a number of occasions Agassi transforms from chubby and flabby to supertrim in only some weeks and that he sometimes suddenly and without explanation chosen to withdraw and not show up in certain tournaments.

So the 'evidence' for this is that he works out and withdraws thru injury sometimes. Hardly credible.
Everyone knows Andre is struggling with some injuries, especially during the last few years. And he didnt transform from flabby to trim in an unusual amount of time. It took him some months to do that, and it was years ago anyway.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 03:37 PM
So the 'evidence' for this is that he works out and withdraws thru injury sometimes. Hardly credible.
Everyone knows Andre is struggling with some injuries, especially during the last few years. And he didnt transform from flabby to trim in an unusual amount of time. It took him some months to do that, and it was years ago anyway.

This doesn't say this is a recent thing and a timeframe hasn't been mentioned. I am not saying either way if he is guilty or not, but if he is it wouldn't be released.

Chloe le Bopper
09-25-2005, 03:38 PM
I have to say that I'm not terribly impressed by the "evidence" myself. Obviously a player would have more reason to be suspicious of Andre's habits than I. But until the man fails a drug test, I can't really say much more. Even then, I try to give benefit of the doubt ;)

That said, I don't see why some posters have an issue with it being posted. It was said - er, or written ;). When Vladmir opened his mouth about the entire Argentine squad, I wonder if the same posters were in that thread whining about rumours and what not? I doubt it.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 03:41 PM
The article talks about Cañas, those players who failed tests and names not released cause of the contaminated tablets, but this is only an extract.

Denaon
09-25-2005, 03:44 PM
The article talks about Cañas, those players who failed tests and names not released cause of the contaminated tablets, but this is only an extract.
Oh, that's the list I'm looking for.......:devil:

Nikki♥
09-25-2005, 03:46 PM
Shame I'll miss the naked dance :devil:

:crying2:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 03:46 PM
Oh, that's the list I'm looking for.......:devil:

They only talked about the Cañas story, but they didn't mention the names of the ones who had contaminated tablets.

Denaon
09-25-2005, 03:47 PM
They only talked about the Cañas story, but they didn't mention the names of the ones who had contaminated tablets.
Oh no.......:sad: I was so excited I almost wet my pants.......:sad:

Jogy
09-25-2005, 03:48 PM
Well, the thing is that about other players it is rumours only, about Argentina players it is FACT, hard FACT that they dope and are big cheaters.

Always funny again how people say "it would not be release when Agassi or other players dope" :lol: ooohhhhhhh, I'm so sorry. Poor Argentina is always disadvantaged, right? :sad: I'm crying for you :tears: Everybody is against Argentina.
:lol:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 03:49 PM
Oh no.......:sad: I was so excited I almost wet my pants.......:sad:

I'll have to get the book before I can know if that's the case.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 03:50 PM
Always funny again how people say "it would not be release when Agassi or other players dope" :lol: ooohhhhhhh, I'm so sorry. Poor Argentina is always disadvantaged, right? :sad: I'm crying for you :tears: Everybody is against Argentina.
:lol:

You're a funny guy, if you seriously don't think looking after the best interests of people who are of the most benefit doesn't happen, then you live in Russia.

Denaon
09-25-2005, 03:52 PM
Well, the thing is that about other players it is rumours only, about Argentina players it is FACT, hard FACT that they dope and are big cheaters.

Always funny again how people say "it would not be release when Agassi or other players dope" :lol: ooohhhhhhh, I'm so sorry. Poor Argentina is always disadvantaged, right? :sad: I'm crying for you :tears: Everybody is against Argentina.
:lol:
Ohhhhhh get over this Jogy......you're boring me :yawn:

Denaon
09-25-2005, 03:53 PM
I'll have to get the book before I can know if that's the case.
I'll be waiting for your reports about this book :yeah:

Jogy
09-25-2005, 03:56 PM
Ohhhhhh get over this Jogy......you're boring me :yawn:
Denaon fool, new doping cases do not make unhappen the Argentina doping cases.

But if you feel better saying that other players are taking doping, then do it :wavey:

Jogy
09-25-2005, 03:58 PM
You're a funny guy, if you seriously don't think looking after the best interests of people who are of the most benefit doesn't happen, then you live in Russia.
Everybody is against little poor Argentina and against little other poor countrys :sad: so sad...

Denaon
09-25-2005, 04:02 PM
Denaon fool, new doping cases do not make unhappen the Argentina doping cases.

But if you feel better saying that other players are taking doping, then do it :wavey:
:lol: what a fool you are, have you at least read what I posted in this thread? I pity you, poor single-celled brained being.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:05 PM
Everybody is against little poor Argentina and against little other poor countrys :sad: so sad...

Ok, how do you want me to explain it to you.

Here it is. Poland is in the EU, has some of the best farming land in Europe and the most farmers per capita, can produce quality produce cheaper than most of the EU, but can't get the Agricultural subsidy. Why? This is because France who benefits from this most, doesn't want to lose a major asset and keep its farmers happy, though for the overall EU it is not in the best interests.

This is similar to the example of a powerful group (ATP) looking after its most powerful members hence the players who draw in the most cash, in this case it doesn't matter where they are from, just how much cash they can make. Agassi is in that group and nothing would happen to him if he got caught doping.

Peoples
09-25-2005, 04:07 PM
You're a funny guy, if you seriously don't think looking after the best interests of people who are of the most benefit doesn't happen, then you live in Russia.
You contradicted yourself and said the opposite ;) But anyway, you have no evidence about what you were trying to say and whether you live in Russia or not doesn't change that you're desperately trying to make a fact out of a fantasy. Facts are the punishments received by Argentines. Everybody else passes drug tests too, including Agassi, no matter the sour grapes or whatever by the Swede. Conspiracy theories have always been popular.

Peoples
09-25-2005, 04:08 PM
Agassi is in that group and nothing would happen to him if he got caught doping.
That's what you keep saying but you just don't know.

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 04:10 PM
Everybody is against little poor Argentina and against little other poor countrys :sad: so sad...

you play the role of the idiot so well.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:10 PM
You contradicted yourself and said the opposite ;) But anyway, you have no evidence about what you were trying to say and whether you live in Russia or not doesn't change that you're desperately trying to make a fact out of a fantasy. Facts are the punishments received by Argentines. Everybody else passes drug tests too, including Agassi, no matter the sour grapes or whatever by the Swede. Conspiracy theories have always been popular.

I did not write the article? I translated what was written and nothing more. I didn't put in a view in there.

To make it clear for you. If Agassi failed a doping test I doubt it would be made public and it would be covered up, this does not mean I think Agassi has been taking banned substances, there is a clear difference.

Denaon
09-25-2005, 04:12 PM
That's what you keep saying but you just don't know.
Can you say the opposite??? Can you assure that, even if a contaminated tablet or even some mistake in his diet, made him test positive, that would turn public and he'd be taken to a jury to prove his innocence? Do you really see that happening?

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 04:12 PM
I did not write the article? I translated what was written and nothing more. I didn't put in a view in there.

To make it clear for you. If Agassi failed a doping test I doubt it would be made public and it would be covered up, this does not mean I think Agassi has been taking banned substances, there is a clear difference.
that was not clear as I also thought that was your opinion...

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:15 PM
that was not clear as I also thought that was your opinion...

No, I am not a journalist and that was the translated relevant section to Agassi, but as I said before and you have been watching sport for many years that the top guys get protected eg Carl Lewis in 1988.

Peoples
09-25-2005, 04:18 PM
I did not write the article? I translated what was written and nothing more. I didn't put in a view in there.

To make it clear for you. If Agassi failed a doping test I doubt it would be made public and it would be covered up, this does not mean I think Agassi has been taking banned substances, there is a clear difference.
Fine, thanks for clearing it up. I agree it would be covered up until it's 100% sure, after they made the further analysis. But if that's positive too no doubt he'd get a ban like anyone else.

Peoples
09-25-2005, 04:19 PM
No, I am not a journalist and that was the translated relevant section to Agassi, but as I said before and you have been watching sport for many years that the top guys get protected eg Carl Lewis in 1988.
You also see a lot of top guys in major doping scandals.

AgassiFan
09-25-2005, 04:20 PM
To make it clear for you. If Agassi failed a doping test I doubt it would be made public and it would be covered up, this does not mean I think Agassi has been taking banned substances, there is a clear difference.

It's called having your cake and eating it too. I thought you were made of better stuff than this, George.

As for Andre, as I told you and R.Federer before, I thought he doped. And if he did, just as with Armstrong and Marion, it would have been/will be leaked, and there is not a thing ATP or USTA could do about it in the end.

Until there is hard proof, this thread isn't worth the pixels it's burned on. :)

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:21 PM
Fine, thanks for clearing it up. I agree it would be covered up until it's 100% sure, after they made the further analysis. But if that's positive too no doubt he'd get a ban like anyone else.

This is where we disagree, it depends on how dispensible the athlete is, if they are good and don't generate much interest, then they are banned, otherwise everything is done to protect them.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 04:22 PM
No, I am not a journalist and that was the translated relevant section to Agassi, but as I said before and you have been watching sport for many years that the top guys get protected eg Carl Lewis in 1988.
True, and big football events like World Cup are also very protected by all sorts of tricks like wrong testing procedures and stuff... French team was left alone in terms of surprise tests for a good "preparation" in 98 six months prior to the World Cup... too much business interest at stake, and tennis should not be spared on that regards...

its.like.that
09-25-2005, 04:23 PM
No, I am not a journalist and that was the translated relevant section to Agassi, but as I said before and you have been watching sport for many years that the top guys get protected eg Carl Lewis in 1988.

eg Lance Armstrong in [...], 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, [...]

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:24 PM
It's called having your cake and eating it too. I thought you were made of better stuff than this, George.

As for Andre, as I told you and R.Federer before, I thought he doped. And if he did, just as with Armstrong and Marion, it would have been/will be leaked, and there is not a thing ATP or USTA could do about it in the end.

Until there is hard proof, this thread isn't worth the pixels it's burned on. :)

What, I don't know either way if he is doped or not I am not his nandrolone or EPO dealer?

Marion Jones only got found out by association and Armstrong well he hasn't been found guilty has he?

Do you think I wrote this article or something?

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:25 PM
True, and big football events like World Cup are also very protected by all sorts of tricks like wrong testing procedures and stuff... French team was left alone in terms of surprise tests for a good "preparation" in 98 six months prior to the World Cup... too much business interest at stake, and tennis should not be spared on that regards...

Those Mexicans got done at the Confeds Cup, well Juve had been at it for ages and nothing came of it. It's pro sport and a business and in any business valuable assets must be protected, why would this be any different?

Timariot
09-25-2005, 04:30 PM
This is certainly not the first time I've heard doping rumours about Agassi floating around, so I'm not shocked at all that someone comes up with these claims.

Merton
09-25-2005, 04:32 PM
Ok, how do you want me to explain it to you.

Here it is. Poland is in the EU, has some of the best farming land in Europe and the most farmers per capita, can produce quality produce cheaper than most of the EU, but can't get the Agricultural subsidy. Why? This is because France who benefits from this most, doesn't want to lose a major asset and keep its farmers happy, though for the overall EU it is not in the best interests.

This is similar to the example of a powerful group (ATP) looking after its most powerful members hence the players who draw in the most cash, in this case it doesn't matter where they are from, just how much cash they can make. Agassi is in that group and nothing would happen to him if he got caught doping.

The ATP would consider the benefit of enhanced reputation versus the cost of lost revenues/bad publicity. Clearly, the cost is higher for higher ranked/famous players. If the cost exceeds the benefit, then the ATP would do nothing. Moreover, the players would anticipate that, creating an incentive to take performance enhancement drugs. (Still, that does not prove that players would cheat since they should also consider the long run effects of the drugs. I guess incentives are different for different players)

One reasonable way to escape this situation is having an independent body perform the tests, getting financed out of the ATP. That would clearly improve the credibility of drug testing.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:35 PM
The ATP would consider the benefit of enhanced reputation versus the cost of lost revenues/bad publicity. Clearly, the cost is higher for higher ranked/famous players. If the cost exceeds the benefit, then the ATP would do nothing. Moreover, the players would anticipate that, creating an incentive to take performance enhancement drugs. (Still, that does not prove that players would cheat since they should also consider the long run effects of the drugs. I guess incentives are different for different players)

One reasonable way to escape this situation is having an independent body perform the tests, getting financed out of the ATP. That would clearly improve the credibility of drug testing.

It's pro sport, there will always be people trying to get an advantage anyway they can.

I said this years ago that the ATP should just give up their testing of drugs and let the Dick Pound Gang at WADA take over this side of things.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 04:39 PM
It's pro sport, there will always be people trying to get an advantage anyway they can.

I said this years ago that the ATP should just give up their testing of drugs and let the Dick Pound Gang at WADA take over this side of things.
I read recently that tests are not performed by the ATP anymore but by ITF, and the Canas ban lenght (2 years) shows that WADA recomandations are accepted now in tennis.

R.Federer
09-25-2005, 04:41 PM
It's called having your cake and eating it too. I thought you were made of better stuff than this, George.

As for Andre, as I told you and R.Federer before, I thought he doped. And if he did, just as with Armstrong and Marion, it would have been/will be leaked, and there is not a thing ATP or USTA could do about it in the end.

Until there is hard proof, this thread isn't worth the pixels it's burned on. :)
Yes you did ask me if I think it, and I said it never cross my mind but also I said that if it was true the A.T.P either will try to conceal or tell andre to take extended injury break or so. Of course this is not fool proof, which is why maybe Magnus comes out with some 'evidence' about it. I don't know if Magnus evidence is good, but it is very libelous to come up with stuff like this against an active players so maybe he knows something.

This is why more European as well as South American are needed on the A.T.P board, so all players get exposed equally if they are caught and also proportional testing on players.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 04:41 PM
I read recently that tests are not performed by the ATP anymore but by ITF, and the Canas ban lenght (2 years) shows that WADA recomandations are accepted now in tennis.

The ITF would only do it in Slams or Davis Cup, whereas WADA do it for the Olympics.

HappyAndie
09-25-2005, 04:47 PM
A lot of times players and the media from certain countries just like to pee in other people's parties. Armstrong did not dope; Do none of you find it more than a little interesting that FRANCE is the one advocating the "fact" that Armstrong doped so much? France is just unhappy that an AMERICAN won the Tour so many times in a row, instead of some type of French domination which is an obvious preference. They are looking for any way that they can to discredit his achievements.

It's the same for Agassi. Agassi is a fitness freak. I don't believe the man needs steroids. If he was caught now with streroids, I'm sure that if they did cover it up, they would just tell him to retire. This man is just trying to smash Andre's mud pie and make himself feel better about life. It's disgusting.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 04:54 PM
A lot of times players and the media from certain countries just like to pee in other people's parties. Armstrong did not dope; Do none of you find it more than a little interesting that FRANCE is the one advocating the "fact" that Armstrong doped so much? France is just unhappy that an AMERICAN won the Tour so many times in a row, instead of some type of French domination which is an obvious preference. They are looking for any way that they can to discredit his achievements.
Sorry but we as French don't care that an American, a Belgian or a Zimbabwean dominates the tour... this is the defense of Armstrong, surfing on the French bashing post WMD research et al. the thing is that some proofs exist, though not done in the official way with B sample etc., that Armstrong took EPO. But honestly, when you know that the journeyman in cycling can take 150 shots a year of every kind of products, how can you possibly imagine that Armstrong, coming back from cancer, can dominate these junkie guys (some have written books on it) without EPO and other stuff like actogevin found in the Armstrong's team hotel rubbishes in 2000. Why France would be against Armstrong while it had accepted Lemond for example ?
And for Agassi, unfortunately if he's a fitness freak, there is another real freak, Gil Reyes, who is built like a Schwarzenegger and didn't do that without little pills I think, which is not a good sign...

AgassiFan
09-25-2005, 05:11 PM
.And for Agassi, unfortunately if he's a fitness freak, there is another real freak, Gil Reyes, who is built like a Schwarzenegger and didn't do that without little pills I think, which is not a good sign...
..

Gil Reyes has trained hundreds of athletes who were not dopers. Not compelling.

Cycling is known as the "dirtiest" sport of all, implicating, Indurain, Ulrich and on down the line, so this hypocritical grandstanding is unnecessary. Most importantly, however, cycling is not at all comparable to tennis in terms of the benefit/risk of EPO, et al.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 05:13 PM
Most importantly, however, cycling is not at all comparable to tennis in terms of the benefit/risk of EPO, et al.

Actually EPO is very helpful for a tennis player especially ones who have very good endurance, considering it's a speed/endurance event there are benefits for sure.

star
09-25-2005, 05:15 PM
How do you know those "hundreds of athletes" were not doping?

Also blood doping and EPO are helpful in tennis. If you don't think stamina is important in tennis, you haven't been watching much. Even in the 90's Courier complained that there were players who might be blood doping.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 05:16 PM
Actually EPO is very helpful for a tennis player especially ones who have very good endurance, considering it's a speed/endurance event there are benefits for sure.
EPO is good for a lot of sports, including tennis and football, whatever some people say...

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 05:20 PM
EPO is good for a lot of sports, including tennis and football, whatever some people say...

I know that, but I was just referring to that particular example, and there are other newer forms of it as well like NESP, which is even better than EPO.

It does depend on the sport, though there is only so far sand dunes and altitude training can get you.

NYCtennisfan
09-25-2005, 05:52 PM
The funniest thing about this thread is that the very same posters who would be up in arms if some other player were accused of doping, or have lingering grudges against some players (both active and retired) because they have accused one of their favorite players of doping, are the same ones who are using circumstantial "evidence" to say Agassi is a doper. That's really funny.

Did he dope? He might have. Or maybe he didn't. But the circumstantial evidence is hardly overwhelming.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 05:57 PM
Did he dope? He might have. Or maybe he didn't. But the circumstantial evidence is hardly overwhelming.

I didn't write the article, just performed a translation and did you miss my viewpoint on whether he is doped or not. :)

andre the great
09-25-2005, 06:00 PM
What a load of crap. Sure Agassi could survive 20 years as a doper in Tennis without ever yielding a positive result! And if there was a positive result the ATP would bury it and the Media would just ignore it!! What nonsense. The fact that Andre has never been accused in two decades of top class participation in Tennis speaks of his total innocence to me. I also think that Andre and Graf are people of real integrity and wouldn't show uo at GS events smiling as if nothing has happened if a test result had been buried somewhere along the way. Andre works himself into the ground out of pure love for the sport.He owes the sport nothing but chooses to continue to make events like the US open truly special. This sort of slurs on his character are disgusting.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:04 PM
The funniest thing about this thread is that the very same posters who would be up in arms if some other player were accused of doping, or have lingering grudges against some players (both active and retired) because they have accused one of their favorite players of doping, are the same ones who are using circumstantial "evidence" to say Agassi is a doper. That's really funny.

Did he dope? He might have. Or maybe he didn't. But the circumstantial evidence is hardly overwhelming.
Let's not be naive, I don't believe they do what they do without taking substances. You have sponsor, tournament organisers pressure, even we participate as fan in this pressure, and to stay at the top consistently, there is no miracle...
Agassi is one of my faves, I just notice some funny stuff in his entourage or scheduling, they are not evidences, but even himself insisting on his cortisone shots doesn't sound very healthy as an approach. If at 35 you have back of hip problem, rest, or even retire, what's the point at the end of the day, with all his achievements ?

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 06:05 PM
Andre is guilty (without evidence) to you guys, but Cañas gets busted with an illegal substance in him and he's an "innocent victim"? :shrug:

Sounds about as fair and balanced as Fox "News".

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:06 PM
I also think that Andre and Graf are people of real integrity and wouldn't show uo at GS events smiling as if nothing has happened if a test result had been buried somewhere along the way.
You're naive I think. I love him but I don't think he drank water and ate vitamin C only...

alfonsojose
09-25-2005, 06:08 PM
:scratch: I can't read that language (swedish?).....If true (Agassi being doped, I do not care much) and ATP has responsibilities and there's proof, I WILL CELEBRATE WITH A NAKED DANCE. :secret: I know I'm safe on this one, it's not gonna happen :lol:
:drool: Andre, please. Just a bit of Trolldolone. I want to see Denaon's crotch :devil:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 06:09 PM
Andre is guilty (without evidence) to you guys, but Cañas gets busted with an illegal substance in him and he's an "innocent victim"? :shrug:

Sounds about as fair and balanced as Fox "News".

Is that right? Come to think of it I have never said Cañas was guilty or innocent, just that the WADA should be solely in charge of doping tests.

R.Federer
09-25-2005, 06:12 PM
You're naive I think. I love him but I don't think he drank water and ate vitamin C only...
I understand what you say. But this must be true of almost all the players no? People are taking supplements, most of which are legal but some perhaps untested and some on which A.T.P has not made a rule?

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 06:15 PM
You're naive I think. I love him but I don't think he drank water and ate vitamin C only...

What if people started saying the same about Federer ... constantly? With no proof. How would you feel? "Federer is so good. He must be doping!" Remember how he took time off after Wimbledon for his "foot"? It was actually a chance to dope for a few weeks to get ready for Cincy and the US Open! (How stupid and absurd is that nonsense???)

It's wrong to accuse people of crimes when you have no evidence. It's plain wrong. I don't care if it's players I can't stand like Lleyton Hewitt or Mary Pierce ... you don't accuse them of doping unless they are caught. "Lleyton never cracked his rib or hurt his foot. He took time out to dope after the Australian Open." What if I started spreading such rubbish?

People keep saying Nadal is on juice because he's too muscular for an 19 year old. I'm a teacher in a high school, and there are plenty of guys with muscles just like Nadal that are not on steroids. Sheesh ... so many haters in this world.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:17 PM
I understand what you say. But this must be true of almost all the players no? People are taking supplements, most of which are legal but some perhaps untested and some on which A.T.P has not made a rule?
Would you have the temptations, knowing that growth hormone is not detectable, to take it, if you had many points to defend, thus a status, sponsors, revenues, media coverage, etc. ? Answer honestly... NO ?

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 06:18 PM
Would you have the temptations, knowing that growth hormone is not detectable, to take it, if you had many points to defend, thus a status, sponsors, revenues, media coverage, etc. ? Answer honestly... NO ?

Well, that proves it! :rolleyes: Agassi doped .... just like Roger? :shrug:

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 06:19 PM
Would you have the temptations, knowing that growth hormone is not detectable, to take it, if you had many points to defend, thus a status, sponsors, revenues, media coverage, etc. ? Answer honestly... NO ?

Can't test for HGH and it's not like they can't afford it.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:19 PM
What if people started saying the same about Federer ... constantly? With no proof. How would you feel? "Federer is so good. He must be doping!" Remember how he took time off after Wimbledon for his "foot"? It was actually a chance to dope for a few weeks to get ready for Cincy and the US Open! (How stupid and absurd is that nonsense???)

It's wrong to accuse people of crimes when you have no evidence. It's plain wrong. I don't care if it's players I can't stand like Lleyton Hewitt or Mary Pierce ... you don't accuse them of doping unless they are caught. "Lleyton never cracked his rib or hurt his foot. He took time out to dope after the Australian Open." What if I started spreading such rubbish?

People keep saying Nadal is on juice because he's too muscular for an 19 year old. I'm a teacher in a high school, and there are plenty of guys with muscles just like Nadal that are not on steroids. Sheesh ... so many haters in this world.
Maybe Fed too, because this is a system, but it's a larger debate than that, it's about reconversion, future health of these guys, level of money in sport that should be limitated... the whole thing has to be rethought IMO.

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 06:22 PM
Can't test for HGH and it's not like they can't afford it.

Then I guess I can indiscriminately accuse every single ATP player of being on it? :devil:

No, I guess I'll just accuse the American legends who've never tested positive, but continue worshiping Scandinavians who've tested positive for drugs, been banned, (and still live in denial about it).

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:24 PM
Well, that proves it! :rolleyes: Agassi doped .... just like Roger? :shrug:
Don't be black or white I don't accuse anyone but what I say is that we ask a lot to these guys, and we want them to be "oure" while in all other parts of the society we accept that people are not pure, in business, politics, show business, etc. Why ?

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 06:27 PM
Then I guess I can indiscriminately accuse every single ATP player of being on it? :devil:

No, I guess I'll just accuse the American legends who've never tested positive, but continue worshiping Scandinavians who've tested positive for drugs, been banned, (and still live in denial about it).

They're all on something is that a surprise.

What are you going on about? Someone posted an article I translated the relevant part to Agassi. I didn't write it.

What players are you going on about? If you are going to throw crap at Scandinavian players, how about using something called a memory when John McEnroe and Gerulaitis admitted taking cocaine, only difference is they didn't get caught.

R.Federer
09-25-2005, 06:31 PM
Would you have the temptations, knowing that growth hormone is not detectable, to take it, if you had many points to defend, thus a status, sponsors, revenues, media coverage, etc. ? Answer honestly... NO ?
Yes if it is not only undetectable, but also does not show in the body, and helps in the game I think there will be players tempted to do it. But I think that the growth hormone will show up in a bigger body (is that not correct?)

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:33 PM
Yes if it is not only undetectable, but also does not show in the body, and helps in the game I think there will be players tempted to do it. But I think that the growth hormone will show up in a bigger body (is that not correct?)
Nope, look at skinny cyclers, if you do specific work, like aerobic stuff etc, you won't grow that much...

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 06:34 PM
Don't be black or white I don't accuse anyone but what I say is that we ask a lot to these guys, and we want them to be "oure" while in all other parts of the society we accept that people are not pure, in business, politics, show business, etc. Why ?

I do understand that humans will be humans. They are not pure.

What I am firmly against is accusing anyone of a crime without hard evidence. What I am also against is the notion that the ATP eagerly encourages Americans to dope while persecuting the blameless, compassionate Argentines.

There are people who vehemently defend Cañas' innocent and decry the ATP for its "politics" despite the physical evidence, and these same people state that Agassi has definitely doped and that the ATP sweeps it under the rug without a shred of physical evidence.

star
09-25-2005, 06:37 PM
Maybe Fed too, because this is a system, but it's a larger debate than that, it's about reconversion, future health of these guys, level of money in sport that should be limitated... the whole thing has to be rethought IMO.

Or we just say dope away. We dont' care. Go for it. Ruin your life if you want.

A lot of the stuff about drugs is scare tactics. There isn't any clinical proof that taking steroids harms one long term. Arnold seems to be doing just fine and he took that stuff like candy when he was competing.

For me personally, I've turned away from Baseball and athletics because of drugs. However, I continue to watch cycling. Go figure.

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:39 PM
I do understand that humans will be humans. They are not pure.

What I am firmly against is accusing anyone of a crime without hard evidence. What I am also against is the notion that the ATP eagerly encourages Americans to dope while persecuting the blameless, compassionate Argentines.

There are people who vehemently defend Cañas' innocent and decry the ATP for its "politics" despite the physical evidence, and these same people state that Agassi has definitely doped and that the ATP sweeps it under the rug without a shred of physical evidence.
It's always hard to swallow that our fellows nationals take drugs... now, you have some inertia in some countries where there is much at stake economically, maybe US, Australia, France, Spain today, Germany in the past... things will move more slowly when players of these countries are caught, that's for sure...

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:44 PM
Or we just say dope away. We dont' care. Go for it. Ruin your life if you want.

A lot of the stuff about drugs is scare tactics. There isn't any clinical proof that taking steroids harms one long term. Arnold seems to be doing just fine and he took that stuff like candy when he was competing.

For me personally, I've turned away from Baseball and athletics because of drugs. However, I continue to watch cycling. Go figure.
I was passionate about cycling, especially Indurain, now it's like dead in my heart... :sad:
some epidemiologic studies should be carried on on big scales. They did it in Italy on football because some specific diseases appear in Calcio. But taking medicines for years, that are supposed to cure heavy diseases like Alzheimer shouldn't do a lot of good globally. In the case of EPO, there are big problems in variations of the level of steel in the blood I know...

AgassiFan
09-25-2005, 06:47 PM
Another huge difference between Armstrong and Agassi is this: Armostrong became a MOUNTAIN-CLIMBING MACHINE almost out of nowhere, after he miraculously survived cancer, no less. He goes from being merely a good young talent to being the greatest cyclist of all time in his 30s.

With Agassi, not only did he FAIL to improve athleticly in such a dramatic way as Armostrong, he is clearly NOT the same athlete he used to be in his prime when he, despite not paying attention to his fitness, he was FLYING all over the place - yes, Andre is visibly slower, with less powerful groundstrokes, often runs out of gas by the 2nd set - as he should be as he ages. The only reason he keeps playing decent tennis still is the high % strategy coupled with extraordinary hand-eye coordination.

And his work ethic is indeed legendary now, so it's not as if we're talking about someone like Marat all of the sudden discovering tremendeous bursts in his mid-30s....

No, I don't think Andre confined himself to Vitamin C and "soft" suppliments, either but that's subject for another thread.

And yes, Gil Reyes in his 30 some odd career has trained 1000s of athletes, college and pro, officially and unofficially, most of whom never even came close to being suspected of doping in their various sports. I am sure they're guilty by association, ain't that right my Argentine amigo? :)

TheMightyFed
09-25-2005, 06:53 PM
Another huge difference between Armstrong and Agassi is this: Armostrong became a MOUNTAIN-CLIMBING MACHINE almost out of nowhere, after he miraculously survived cancer, no less. He goes from being merely a good young talent to being the greatest cyclist of all time in his 30s.

With Agassi, not only did he FAIL to improve athleticly in such a dramatic way as Armostrong, he is clearly NOT the same athlete he used to be in his prime when he, despite not paying attention to his fitness, he was FLYING all over the place - yes, Andre is visibly slower, with less powerful groundstrokes, often runs out of gas by the 2nd set - as he should be as he ages. The only reason he keeps playing decent tennis still is the high % strategy coupled with extraordinary hand-eye coordination.

And his work ethic is indeed legendary now, so it's not as if we're talking about someone like Marat all of the sudden discovering tremendeous bursts in his mid-30s....

No, I don't think Andre confined himself to Vitamin C and "soft" suppliments, either but that's subject for another thread.

And yes, Gil Reyes in his 30 some odd career has trained 1000s of athletes, college and pro, officially and unofficially, most of whom never even came close to being suspected of doping in their various sports. I am sure they're guilty by association, ain't that right my Argentine amigo? :)
There is no comparison I think between Agassi and Armstrong, because in cycling this is pure force and stamina, so directions to take and thus temptations are easier. While in tennis, if you have a crappy serve or no hand (touch), or if your dumb tactically, you can take whatever you want, it won't change anything....

star
09-25-2005, 06:56 PM
Lots of steroid freaks are also fitness freaks. In fact most of them are. Just because somebody works out a lot means nothing.

Give me the names of these thousands of athletes and their sports. You keep saying that over and over, but who are they?

Merton
09-25-2005, 07:09 PM
Or we just say dope away. We dont' care. Go for it. Ruin your life if you want.

A lot of the stuff about drugs is scare tactics. There isn't any clinical proof that taking steroids harms one long term. Arnold seems to be doing just fine and he took that stuff like candy when he was competing.

For me personally, I've turned away from Baseball and athletics because of drugs. However, I continue to watch cycling. Go figure.

You need proof that the substances don't harm in the long term and this is hard to get. If they could get an FDA approval then they would just legalize drugs, making them available for everybody. Clearly, they cannot get FDA approval.

In statistics, you may not be able to reject "the null hypothesis" that drug x causes no harm. This, however, does not imply that the null hypothesis is true.

Jenrios
09-25-2005, 07:33 PM
There has always bee this rumor on the non participation of Andre in en edition of AO, at the last minute, for a mysterious wrist injury...
regarding Ben Johnson it was linked to an internal war in the IOC on testing procedures, and to a new test on stanozolol that just appeared for the games... Ben Johnson paid for so many athletes, that was a bit too much though he was guilty...

This is the occasion Rios more or less accused him - and said the ATP would never, ever have Agassi suspected of doping, and would cover up any scandal concenring him. He said it was practically common knowledge on the ATP tour.

I love reading players bios - I hope this one is translated into English. I quite liked Norman.

Action Jackson
09-25-2005, 07:35 PM
This is the occasion Rios more or less accused him - and said the ATP would never, ever have Agassi suspected of doping, and would cover up any scandal concenring him. He said it was practically common knowledge on the ATP tour.

I love reading players bios - I hope this one is translated into English. I quite liked Norman.

Rios never actually said he was doping, but I remember many people having a go at him for those comments he made.

Jogy
09-25-2005, 07:43 PM
Here it is. Poland is in the EU, has some of the best farming land in Europe and the most farmers per capita, can produce quality produce cheaper than most of the EU, but can't get the Agricultural subsidy. Why? This is because France who benefits from this most, doesn't want to lose a major asset and keep its farmers happy, though for the overall EU it is not in the best interests.
Polish agriculture is not so bad like you think.
And with that example you are comparing apples and potatoes.

Jogy
09-25-2005, 07:44 PM
you play the role of the idiot so well.
open your eyes idiot
saying "everbody is ganging up against Argentina" and "other players also take doping but are just not reported" is a weak ass excuse and is laughable and it comes from this people who make apologys for everything and who can't take facts (facts that Argentina players doped much in past)

Jenrios
09-25-2005, 07:46 PM
well, he more or less said it, heavily implied it - but he definitely said the ATP would never allow it to come out if it were true. I expected Rios to cop huge flak over his comments, and was waiting for the US media to slaughter him - but it never surfaced in the uS media - and I guess rather than go for Marcelo;s jugular, they'd rather burythe story? I'm obviously naive, because from the comments here, it's obvious most posters think he is doping. Have only ever seen just the odd posts in the forums I post in and no real mention of it in the media in the UK that I can re-call.

Jogy
09-25-2005, 07:48 PM
:lol: what a fool you are, have you at least read what I posted in this thread? I pity you, poor single-celled brained being.
hahaha, too funny Denaon :haha:

people like you, Denaon, must be the reason why Argentina is so much disliked in other South and Middle American countrys :rolleyes:

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 08:47 PM
It's common knowledge that Federer dopes. The ATP knows about it, but they've covered it up because they would suffer a huge economic blow if Federer were banned from the game. Also, the last 2 years of ATP tennis would be severely discredited. It's obvious that he's doped because he's so good. And he faked his foot problem after Wimbledon so he could take some time off to use performance-enhancing drugs. All the guys on tour say this is just common knowledge.

This is exactly what I'm reading about Agassi.

Aphex
09-25-2005, 09:07 PM
:lol: Norman and those journos are probably going to release this book just before the Stockholm Open. Then when Agassi comes he will be bombarded with questions about these rumours. Entertainment will ensue. :haha:

Neely
09-25-2005, 09:09 PM
It's common knowledge that Federer dopes. The ATP knows about it, but they've covered it up because they would suffer a huge economic blow if Federer were banned from the game. Also, the last 2 years of ATP tennis would be severely discredited. It's obvious that he's doped because he's so good. And he faked his foot problem after Wimbledon so he could take some time off to use performance-enhancing drugs. All the guys on tour say this is just common knowledge.

This is exactly what I'm reading about Agassi.
:haha:

just too good! :yeah: :worship:

Peoples
09-25-2005, 09:10 PM
It's common knowledge that Federer dopes. The ATP knows about it, but they've covered it up because they would suffer a huge economic blow if Federer were banned from the game. Also, the last 2 years of ATP tennis would be severely discredited. It's obvious that he's doped because he's so good. And he faked his foot problem after Wimbledon so he could take some time off to use performance-enhancing drugs. All the guys on tour say this is just common knowledge.

This is exactly what I'm reading about Agassi.
Spot on. It's something new he's taking, extremely nasty, extremely dangerous and technique enhancing! It's a public secret on tour...

NYCtennisfan
09-25-2005, 09:13 PM
It's common knowledge that Federer dopes. The ATP knows about it, but they've covered it up because they would suffer a huge economic blow if Federer were banned from the game. Also, the last 2 years of ATP tennis would be severely discredited. It's obvious that he's doped because he's so good. And he faked his foot problem after Wimbledon so he could take some time off to use performance-enhancing drugs. All the guys on tour say this is just common knowledge.

This is exactly what I'm reading about Agassi.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 09:30 PM
The even bigger tragedy in the Federer story is that Mirka tries out all the new performance-enhancing drugs before Fed does to make sure they're safe for him. The last one she tried made her gain a ton of weight. It's a real tragedy. :sad:

P.S. It's the same drug Serena got on earlier this year! :tape:

sigmagirl91
09-25-2005, 09:31 PM
The even bigger tragedy in the Federer story is that Mirka tries out all the new performance-enhancing drugs before Fed does. The last one she tried made her gain a ton of weight. It's a real tragedy. :sad:

P.S. It's the same drug Serena got on earlier this year! :tape:

What, birth control? ;)

Raquel
09-25-2005, 10:01 PM
Is it Magnus Norman who has specifically named Agassi as taking drugs? He (or whoever mentioned Andre specifically) really has to be careful with what they're saying without any hard evidence, or they could be taken to court and sued. Without any drug test results, it sounds more like hearsay and gossip from a trashy tabloid rather than a serious book.

Aphex
09-25-2005, 11:33 PM
I just read an excerpt from the book. It only says Agassi has been rumoured to be on performance enhancing drugs. So nothing new really. And no lawsuit material. The tabloid probably only used Agassi's name to sell the article to its' readers, since Agassi and Pim-pim are the only famous active tennisplayers in Sweden. But it sure seems to be an interesting book. Magnus Norman is probably not much of a co-author just a sales booster.

LoveFifteen
09-25-2005, 11:47 PM
I just read an excerpt from the book. It only says Agassi has been rumoured to be on performance enhancing drugs. So nothing new really. And no lawsuit material. The tabloid probably only used Agassi's name to sell the article to its' readers, since Agassi and Pim-pim are the only famous active tennisplayers in Sweden. But it sure seems to be an interesting book. Magnus Norman is probably not much of a co-author just a sales booster.

The only famous active tennis players in Sweden are Agassi and Pim-pim? That is the biggest shock of this entire thread.

Aphex
09-25-2005, 11:53 PM
Ok, maybe ToJo, since he reached Wimbledon SF and Federer, since he did as Wilander 88. But tennis is not a very mainstream sport in Sweden at the moment.

Raquel
09-26-2005, 12:04 AM
Ok, maybe ToJo, since he reached Wimbledon SF and Federer, since he did as Wilander 88. But tennis is not a very mainstream
sport in Sweden at the moment.
What about Nadal? Obviously he's had a lot of attention this year and he did win Bastad.

sigmagirl91
09-26-2005, 12:05 AM
The only famous active tennis players in Sweden are Agassi and Pim-pim? That is the biggest shock of this entire thread.

I don't know whether to laugh or shit my pants.

revolution
09-26-2005, 12:26 AM
It's common knowledge that Federer dopes. The ATP knows about it, but they've covered it up because they would suffer a huge economic blow if Federer were banned from the game. Also, the last 2 years of ATP tennis would be severely discredited. It's obvious that he's doped because he's so good. And he faked his foot problem after Wimbledon so he could take some time off to use performance-enhancing drugs. All the guys on tour say this is just common knowledge.

This is exactly what I'm reading about Agassi.


Thanks for giving me one of the biggest laughs in years.

Denaon
09-26-2005, 12:43 AM
hahaha, too funny Denaon :haha:

people like you, Denaon, must be the reason why Argentina is so much disliked in other South and Middle American countrys :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

sawan66278
09-26-2005, 12:49 AM
Maybe I'm a little stupid...did Magnus Norman accuse Agassi of taking steroids? The posts are little unclear...

mandoura
09-26-2005, 01:53 AM
hahaha, too funny Denaon :haha:

people like you, Denaon, must be the reason why Argentina is so much disliked in other South and Middle American countrys :rolleyes:

Is it?

Well, Argentina is very much liked in Egypt.

Denaon ;) .

PaulieM
09-26-2005, 01:59 AM
hahaha, too funny Denaon :haha:

people like you, Denaon, must be the reason why Argentina is so much disliked in other South and Middle American countrys :rolleyes:
if everyone from argentina is like denaon then that sounds like a very nice place :)

AgassiFan
09-26-2005, 03:29 AM
Agassi should be disqualified. And he should have a choice of 2 players, one male, one female, who will be banned along with him.

irma
09-26-2005, 05:36 AM
If Andre knows that he would be covered up by the ATP then he had no reasons to withdraw fron Australia either. So it's a contradicting accuse!

LoveFifteen
09-26-2005, 06:26 AM
Ok, maybe ToJo, since he reached Wimbledon SF and Federer, since he did as Wilander 88. But tennis is not a very mainstream sport in Sweden at the moment.

Wow, ToJo won a Grand Slam, and he doesn't even get respect in his own country. No wonder he tries to stir up publicity for himself by calling Maria Sharapova ugly and calling Coria stupid.

P.S. If Andre did dope, then he should be punished! His punishment should be to make love to me for hours and hours. :drool:

TenHound
09-26-2005, 07:32 AM
I'd bet the mortgage that AA's been doing drugs since his comeback for far too many reasons to count. Even JMac did back in his day - remember his ex discussed that & he refused to deny it, when asked directly. You'd have to be deaf, dumb & blind to think AA wasn't doped to the gills.

Further, I heard an interview w/Ted Robinson this summer on local sports radio. He said "when the history of tennis is written, it will come out that for the last 5-6 yrs. Everyone did steroids. They were even handed out by ATP trainers to help the guys heal faster. They were everywhere."

where things get particularly nasty is that Guardian last wk. wrote that Mafia now controls EPO - and possibly other performance enhancers as well. That's Extremely Dangerous for future of sports. But as we know, tennis already has serious problems w/those types muscling their way in.

TheMightyFed
09-26-2005, 07:53 AM
I'd bet the mortgage that AA's been doing drugs since his comeback for far too many reasons to count. Even JMac did back in his day - remember his ex discussed that & he refused to deny it, when asked directly. You'd have to be deaf, dumb & blind to think AA wasn't doped to the gills.

Further, I heard an interview w/Ted Robinson this summer on local sports radio. He said "when the history of tennis is written, it will come out that for the last 5-6 yrs. Everyone did steroids. They were even handed out by ATP trainers to help the guys heal faster. They were everywhere."

where things get particularly nasty is that Guardian last wk. wrote that Mafia now controls EPO - and possibly other performance enhancers as well. That's Extremely Dangerous for future of sports. But as we know, tennis already has serious problems w/those types muscling their way in.
unfortunately this is a wise and realistic post, "closing the eyes" is the favourite sport of many (all ?) sport governing bodies, and they often see judicial investigations or surprise testing as threats and bothering processes, which speaks volumes on their activities. With the suplements stories we discovered the little recipies of the ATP, giving nandrolone to the players for better recuperation and then trying to cover it in a pathetic way. I mean, if they gave nandrolone to the players, do you think a player would have any hesitation to take another undetectable product ? You don't feel guilty in that kind of environment. And if we look back, we know after some years that Borg, Wilander, Gerulaitis and Vilas were taking coke, together with JMac, who was also on steroids. Plus there are no evidences but dubious revelations here and there: Lendl, Chang and Courier with their legendary stamina were BALCO customers, Becker was addicted to slipping pills and painkillers (which are part of the usual arsenal of doping regimens), and cortisone injections are part of the routine of Agassi and even Gimelstob... without mentioning Coria, Puerta, Chela, Korda... so wait a few years, we'll know then what happens today on the tour...

Aphex
09-26-2005, 07:55 AM
Wow, ToJo won a Grand Slam, and he doesn't even get respect in his own country. No wonder he tries to stir up publicity for himself by calling Maria Sharapova ugly and calling Coria stupid.

P.S. If Andre did dope, then he should be punished! His punishment should be to make love to me for hours and hours. :drool:
Actually he wasn't the first Swede to diss a Russian tennis babe. Jonas Björkman played mixed with Anna K. at Wimbledon a couple of years back. He said she didn't look that great up close. Yes, all of us Swedish males are this nice. :D ;)

Aphex
09-26-2005, 07:59 AM
What about Nadal? Obviously he's had a lot of attention this year and he did win Bastad.
Well, at least Björn Borg likes him...

Plastic Bertrand
09-26-2005, 08:25 AM
This is not unusual that there are drug rumours around Agassi. There were strong rumours about Muster being on some drugs and Becker came out and accused him in Monte Carlo after he lost to him. Becker was another one who had a pill addiction as mdhubert mentioned earlier.

It would be good to believe that doping in tennis was not a problem, but that is just a dream. There is plenty of money to be had in tennis, so it stands to reason that players will do everything they can to get stronger, get over injuries quicker, so they can return to the game and earn their living, if this means taking some substances then the temptation is there.

LoveFifteen, while conveniently forgetting that John McEnroe took cocaine and steroids during his playing days, in my view recreational drugs like cocaine and pot should not be tested for. This would also mean Yannick Noah was a drug cheat as well, but it is so much easier to highlight Scandinavian players in your case, when you don't like the source of the article.

GWH, it might be easier not to do translations of tabloid articles, even ones that are relevant to the particular topic.

niko
09-26-2005, 08:36 AM
I wonder if Roger is taking steroids or doped. Let's say he doesn't then it doesn't really matter,but what if he does then hmmm it must be fucking good stuff.

TheMightyFed
09-26-2005, 08:38 AM
I wonder if Roger is taking steroids or doped. Let's say he doesn't then it doesn't really matter,but what if he does then hmmm it must be fucking good stuff.
whatever he takes his coffee with, the damn talent is there, and that's what I like at the end of the day. From some ex Davis Cup player source, he's clean, which would be amazing given his current level... it seems that in tennis the most prone players to dope are the ones coming back from injuries and older players.

Tennis Fool
09-26-2005, 08:40 AM
I have to say that I'm not terribly impressed by the "evidence" myself.
Because if you aren't "terribly impressed" no one else on MTF should be :)

Tennis Fool
09-26-2005, 08:44 AM
It's called having your cake and eating it too. I thought you were made of better stuff than this, George.


You haven't been reading enough of George's posts.

iliketennis
09-26-2005, 09:03 AM
:retard:
:lol:

Chloe slips her likeness into yet another post :rolleyes:

FrogBurger
09-26-2005, 09:13 AM
Sellouts disgust me

*Ljubica*
09-26-2005, 04:51 PM
Nice to see that - as usual - what MTF discusses one day becomes news in the Argentine Press the next ;)

http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=212755&IdxSeccion=100795

Action Jackson
09-26-2005, 04:59 PM
You haven't been reading enough of George's posts.

That's impressive coming from the Fountain of Misinformation and Lord of the Misleading Subject Titles.

tennis elbow
09-26-2005, 05:01 PM
maybe there is an Argentinean journalist among MTF regular posters... ;)

on a second note, the article is a little bit more expansive than the translation posted by GWB...

Denaon
09-26-2005, 05:03 PM
Nice to see that - as usual - what MTF discusses one day becomes news in the Argentine Press the next ;)

http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=212755&IdxSeccion=100795
This is what rumoring is all about....

Denaon
09-26-2005, 05:06 PM
Oh thanks PaulieM and mandoura, my sweet friends :D

tangerine_dream
09-26-2005, 05:49 PM
Since when was pot a performance enhancing drug? ;) :smoke:

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 06:26 PM
Nice to see that - as usual - what MTF discusses one day becomes news in the Argentine Press the next ;)

http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=212755&IdxSeccion=100795
That just never stops being hilarious.

Okay, fess up. Which one of you Argie posters works in media? ;)

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 06:29 PM
Since when was pot a performance enhancing drug? ;) :smoke:
I've always found this a little absurd. The only possible benefit I can see of marijuana is that it might calm you down.

That reminds me of the Canadian snowboarder that nearly had his gold medal stripped because marijuana was found in his system. He claimed that he inhaled second hand smoke at a party :lol:

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 06:30 PM
Chloe slips her likeness into yet another post :rolleyes:
You just never cease being clever, do you? :hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2005, 06:31 PM
Because if you aren't "terribly impressed" no one else on MTF should be :)
I don't believe that I stated that my opinion should be a guide for all others to follow, halfwit.

What's the matter, not getting enough attention from the dog recently?

tennisinparis
09-26-2005, 06:53 PM
well i was fooled....i thought this would be a decent spread with facts or inside information in it, but all i find it to be is subpar players and posters assuming certain people take enhancing drugs because their performances are greater than others. my thing is we have no clue who takes enhancing drugs and for most of them, will never know. for those who are caught, oh well, enhancing drugs will never be eradicated from sports, and to assume that certain players take them, when there is no founded evidence is crazy. because a person's body shape changes, because a person can still play at an old age, because a person wins the top tournament for so many years in a row, etc. he is accused of doping. i mean lets think of the many cases where people have owned tournaments or matches and haven't doped. for the last four years, federer has ownded the slams basically, but he hasn't doped. or at least there is the same amount of evidence between federer and agassi. it is ridiculous, get me a failed drug test or some real evidence and then we will discuss it. players trying to incriminate other players is very suspect. as far as how great athletes are covered from ever being banned or leaked that they doped, this is just crazy. don't we all know, there is always that person in an organization that is ready to incriminate a player or leak the information. i mean you see it in politics, you see it in sports, you see it in every aspect of life. there is always someone ready to lower someone by leaking the 'real' information and there are always the people ready to lower someone by making up information.

so how do you solve it, i have no clue, why not just let doping be legal and let the players take their own lives into their own hands and their own careers into their own hands. i guess that would be the wrong way about going about it, but probably the only 100% sure way of going about it.

Rex
09-26-2005, 07:00 PM
aaahhhhhhhhhhhh poooooooooooey----------------- i dunno, doesnt matter........one way or the other he is a great champ, not much anyone can say about it....

niko
09-26-2005, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=Chloe le Bopper]I've always found this a little absurd. The only possible benefit I can see of marijuana is that it might calm you down.

There's one more benefit of marijuana is that you can not be serious. :haha:

alelysafina
09-26-2005, 07:26 PM
Actually he wasn't the first Swede to diss a Russian tennis babe. Jonas Björkman played mixed with Anna K. at Wimbledon a couple of years back. He said she didn't look that great up close. Yes, all of us Swedish males are this nice. :D ;)
I would see why, aren't Swedish women supposed to be the most beautiful in the world?

AgassiFan
09-26-2005, 11:26 PM
aren't Swedish women supposed to be the most beautiful in the world?

Yeah, pretty much. Sweedish - prettiest; Russian - ugliest.

vogus
09-27-2005, 02:17 AM
George do you have some basis for believing that Agassi was doping up, and that the ATP knows about it and "swept it under the rug"? I'm not talking about anything resembling proof, i mean, just a plausible theory, circumstantial signs.

I'd be shocked if Agassi has done anything out of bounds on the doping front in the last 10 years. Before that, the first years when he started working with Reyes which were prior to serious drug testing in tennis, it wouldn't surprise me if he was using some extra-curricular stuff to bulk up.

iliketennis
09-27-2005, 02:19 AM
You just never cease being clever, do you? :hearts:

:wavey: Any time sugar

PS: I love those little red things you send to me everyday :inlove:

AgassiFan
09-27-2005, 03:09 AM
George do you have some basis for believing that Agassi was doping up, and that the ATP knows about it and "swept it under the rug"? I'm not talking about anything resembling proof, i mean, just a plausible theory, circumstantial signs.

I'd be shocked if Agassi has done anything out of bounds on the doping front in the last 10 years. Before that, the first years when he started working with Reyes which were prior to serious drug testing in tennis, it wouldn't surprise me if he was using some extra-curricular stuff to bulk up.


You don't think he was juiced out of his gourd against Federer at 2004 US Open? Be honest.

Word on the street is that 'Jaz Elle' is, in actuality, a BALCO subsidiary. Pretty clever of Andre.

Chloe le Bopper
09-27-2005, 04:20 AM
:wavey: Any time sugar

PS: I love those little red things you send to me everyday :inlove:
Everyday? Dream on, darling. Until today, I had forgotten that you existed. I can't even remember why I think you're a tool - er, aside from recent activity, that is.

iliketennis
09-27-2005, 04:25 AM
Everyday? Dream on, darling. Until today, I had forgotten that you existed. I can't even remember why I think you're a tool - er, aside from recent activity, that is.

Exactly, you can't remember because there is no reason for you to consider me a tool.

The reason I think that you're a tool? When you argue with someone for 2+ pages in one single thread, isn't it obvious that you're not getting anywhere/through to them? Maybe that's why your post count is so high.

But no hard feelings, I accept your apology. ;)

Chloe le Bopper
09-27-2005, 05:17 AM
Exactly, you can't remember because there is no reason for you to consider me a tool.

I can't remember because you're just really not very important. Nor is anybody around here. I don't remember the fights that I had with people last week, let alone ones that probably happened months ago. Yet every now and then I come across a poster that sets off my "tool radar" ... but I rarely can pinpoint why. Regardless, that is what happens with you. I'm sure that if I did a search, I would find the reason. But meh.

The reason I think that you're a tool? When you argue with someone for 2+ pages in one single thread, isn't it obvious that you're not getting anywhere/through to them? Maybe that's why your post count is so high.

Isn't it obvious by now that I don't post for other people?

While I don't remember what our disagreements were before, it's certainly making sense to me why I thought you were a tool.

I hope that several months from now you're still holding a grudge and posting random insults about me in threads that I formerly had little part of.

That, or you could try masturbation. Or mutual masturbation with Tennis Fool, who could clearly use a rub down.

iliketennis
09-27-2005, 06:04 AM
Oh it's ok, I'm not still holding a grudge againts you. Btw, you did really well with your tennis message boards, more members than us :D

Chloe le Bopper
09-27-2005, 06:08 AM
Oh it's ok, I'm not still holding a grudge againts you. Btw, you did really well with your tennis message boards, more members than us :D

Thanks.

My board has probably been around longer than yours. That, and most of the members don't post. Hundreds came over when wtaworld crashed a couple years ago and haven't relaly psoted since it went back up. I just haven't deleted nonactive users, is all.

AgassiFan
09-27-2005, 11:59 PM
You don't think he was juiced out of his gourd against Federer at 2004 US Open? Be honest.




Yo Vogus, my man, what say you?

vogus
09-28-2005, 01:38 AM
Yo Vogus, my man, what say you?


what point are you trying to make by asking me that? Of course, no, i don't think he was.

Wojtek
09-28-2005, 10:17 AM
It isn't only Agassi. 5 other players... any have their names?

joycomesmorning
09-28-2005, 12:52 PM
It isn't only Agassi. 5 other players... any have their names?
I don't know who the players are that Magnue Norman mentions in his expose...but one or all of them threatened to sue...and suddenly Mr. Norman doesn't remember so good...and has issued an apology and a major retraction!

Next!

jcm

cecilija
09-28-2005, 04:45 PM
i am sure he is doped
even remember the usopen sargsain told agassi gave him something to recover his body after marathonic matches against massu and mathieu
he said after take that he was incredible fine

after that the journalist asked sargis if that was a drug and then sargsian said it just was electrolites but i have my doubts........

cecilija
09-28-2005, 04:56 PM
thati s what sargsain said about his great friend agassi ......
"We talk every day during the [Open]," said Sargsian, who ia ranked
54th in the world and has one victory on the ATP tour. "He calls me
after the matches to congratulate me, to give me advice, to help me
out. He tells me about how to play certain players. He tells me how
to recover from long matches, tells me to take electrolytes. He is a
true friend. He gives from his heart. He means so much to me."


yes of course just basic electrolytes :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
09-28-2005, 04:56 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that 1)Sargis would just be passing drugs around out in the open, and 2) Sargis would be Agassi's drug supplier.

That makes so much sense. I don't know why I didn't think of it first!

Chloe le Bopper
09-28-2005, 04:58 PM
Oh, I read you backwards... not that it was entirely my fault.

Let me rephrase this:

I'm sure that 1) Agassi would just be passing around drug advice in the open, and 2) Agassi would be Sargis' drug supplier.

I don't know why I didn't htink of it first!

cecilija
09-28-2005, 04:59 PM
http://www.asapsports.com/tennis/2004usopen/090404SS.html

heres the whole interview

Q. Did you speak with him in the last days?

SARGIS SARGSIAN: Yeah. I've spoken to him every day. He's actually been unbelievable helpful to me. After Massu's match, he helped me out with some electrolytes, with some pills to recover, which he's been using. He's just an amazing friend. I actually spoke to him five minutes ago. He says he's going to help me out tomorrow also, even though we play each other. I don't know.


i am wondering what that pills are
:fiery:

cecilija
09-28-2005, 05:01 PM
coz u are silly girl

Yeah, I'm sure that 1)Sargis would just be passing drugs around out in the open, and 2) Sargis would be Agassi's drug supplier.

That makes so much sense. I don't know why I didn't think of it first!

AgassiFan
09-28-2005, 05:55 PM
http://www.asapsports.com/tennis/2004usopen/090404SS.html

heres the whole interview

Q. Did you speak with him in the last days?

SARGIS SARGSIAN: Yeah. I've spoken to him every day. He's actually been unbelievable helpful to me. After Massu's match, he helped me out with some electrolytes, with some pills to recover, which he's been using. He's just an amazing friend. I actually spoke to him five minutes ago. He says he's going to help me out tomorrow also, even though we play each other. I don't know.


:fiery:


Yeah, I remember reading it at 2004 USO and literally falling off my chair... It's, like, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU MORON!

cecilija
09-28-2005, 05:58 PM
u insult me coz u know all i said it is true :)
agassi is a cheater :D.

Yeah, I remember reading it at 2004 USO and literally falling off my chair... It's, like, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU MORON!

AgassiFan
09-28-2005, 06:07 PM
u insult me coz u know all i said it is true :)
agassi is a cheater :D.


No, silly, the "shut the fuck up, you moron" part was directed at Sargi Sargisian at the time of the incident. I hope Andre kicked his ass.

Come to think of it, since you have no proof, so you might as well shut the fuck up, as well.

cecilija
09-28-2005, 06:09 PM
ok i will do

No, silly, the "shut the fuck up, you moron" part was directed at Sargi Sargisian at the time of the incident. I hope Andre kicked his ass.

Come to think of it, since you have no proof, so you might as well shut the fuck up, as well.

cecilija
09-28-2005, 06:10 PM
but I have proof :D sargsian is the evidence
i think sargsian made a mistake and opened his mouth more than I should have:tape:

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 06:14 PM
Yeah, I remember reading it at 2004 USO and literally falling off my chair... It's, like, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU MORON!
I find incredible he said that... :eek: :eek:

michelleg
09-28-2005, 06:28 PM
Hello people, hasnt anyone here ever taken electrolyte tabs? I did all the time as a softball player (yes, I played collegiate softball,) its not doping in any way shape or form. As long as the tabs arent cross-contaminated from the pharma/supplier, its really just a salt tablet... It is the same electrolyte that you find in PediaLyte, a solution available over the counter that is given to children to prevent dehydration!

Sometimes I think people around here thrive on contrived drama or are just plain ignorant.

cecilija
09-28-2005, 06:33 PM
what about the pills???? sargsain said something about pills
even electrollytes are not that good to recover your body magically :rolleyes:

michelleg
09-28-2005, 06:44 PM
Electrolytes can be taken in pill form, and yes, they can seriously aid in recovery after a match/game....

Do you not play competitive sport?

cecilija
09-28-2005, 06:59 PM
read the post well, sargsain said electrlolytes and some other unknown pills

Electrolytes can be taken in pill form, and yes, they can seriously aid in recovery after a match/game....

Do you not play competitive sport?

michelleg
09-28-2005, 07:05 PM
'Scuse me, the word "and" was never in the original statement, the phrase regarding pills was used as an appositive to modify the noun "electrolytes." It might do you well to read Sargisian's comments again, ahem.

Once again, I can only reiterate that you are creating drama where none exists.

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 07:09 PM
'Scuse me, the word "and" was never in the original statement, the phrase regarding pills was used as an appositive to modify the noun "electrolytes." It might do you well to read Sargisian's comments again, ahem.

Once again, I can only reiterate that you are creating drama where none exists.
Sure that can be glucose or salt but every player has his own stuff, or the coach or physio takes care of that, it's pretty weird that he says another player gives him some pills... what's the point ? Agassi is not a pharmacist or a doctor...

michelleg
09-28-2005, 08:53 PM
I handed out tons of those salt tabs, as teammates often forgot their own.....and when I forgot, someone would always give me some...I seriously don't understand why this implies some type of conspiracy, as electrolyte tabs do not require a doctor or pharmacist for dispensation here in the U.S.

There also may be some cultural differences here, as what I would consider common practice among my fellow athletes here in the US may not be the same in other countries. I respect that you find it "different," but am merely trying to describe why it isn't weird or odd imo.

Actually, I'm not even a fan of Agassi truth be told......

Chloe le Bopper
09-28-2005, 09:43 PM
Sure that can be glucose or salt but every player has his own stuff, or the coach or physio takes care of that, it's pretty weird that he says another player gives him some pills... what's the point ? Agassi is not a pharmacist or a doctor...
Yet he's clearly a drug dealer. The evidence is just overwhelming!

michelleg
09-28-2005, 10:40 PM
Wow, guess that makes me one, too.

PM me your requests.

AgassiFan
09-29-2005, 12:28 AM
but I have proof :D sargsian is the evidence
i think sargsian made a mistake and opened his mouth more than I should have:tape:
\

Hey, whatever happened to that Fernando Gonzalez freak who was blathering on and on about Sigmagirl's "vecky"/"veki"? He was a riot!

Chloe le Bopper
09-29-2005, 04:12 AM
Wow, guess that makes me one, too.

PM me your requests.
Consider it done!

Raquel
09-30-2005, 11:36 AM
:lol: Norman and those journos are probably going to release this book just before the Stockholm Open. Then when Agassi comes he will be bombarded with questions about these rumours. Entertainment will ensue. :haha:
Guess who has just pulled out of Stockholm? Back injury, apparently.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=1172385

Action Jackson
09-30-2005, 11:37 AM
Guess who has just pulled out of Stockholm? Back injury, apparently.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=1172385

Yes, that back injury can flame up very badly in Swedish winters.

Raquel
09-30-2005, 11:46 AM
Yes, that back injury can flame up very badly in Swedish winters.
And in German springs, if I remember correctly.

Action Jackson
09-30-2005, 11:50 AM
And in German springs, if I remember correctly.

His experience of German food must have been so bad, he stayed away for so long.

Carlitos
09-30-2005, 01:38 PM
Andre Agassi, ranked 5th, withdrew from the Stockholm Open indoor tournament on Friday, citing his long-standing back injury as the reason.

Neely
09-30-2005, 02:19 PM
Yes, that back injury can flame up very badly in Swedish winters.
Yeah, I see. Pretty much the same with Gaudio's and other grasscourt lovers' injuries when grass season is ahead. :)

A very wise decision of Andre to take a timeout at this stage of the season for a rest :worship:

alfonsojose
09-30-2005, 02:36 PM
Yeah, I see. Pretty much the same with Gaudio's and other grasscourt lovers' injuries when grass season is ahead. :)

Exactly :yeah:

Action Jackson
09-30-2005, 07:10 PM
Yeah, I see. Pretty much the same with Gaudio's and other grasscourt lovers' injuries when grass season is ahead. :)

You have never suffered from an allergic reaction to grass have you? I have fun and it's one of the best ever things to experience.

revolution
09-30-2005, 09:36 PM
You have never suffered from an allergic reaction to grass have you? I have fun and it's one of the best ever things to experience.

:)

bad gambler
11-07-2009, 05:52 AM
Very interesting indeed Magnus hmmmm

gulzhan
11-07-2009, 06:26 AM
I didn't see the date first :haha:

TMJordan
11-07-2009, 06:28 AM
fuck agassi

nanoman
11-07-2009, 07:17 AM
:scratch: I can't read that language (swedish?).....If true (Agassi being doped, I do not care much) and ATP has responsibilities and there's proof, I WILL CELEBRATE WITH A NAKED DANCE. :secret: I know I'm safe on this one, it's not gonna happen :lol:

:music::banana::music:

GlennMirnyi
11-07-2009, 09:10 AM
Everybody with more than 2 brain cells has always known that.

maxardy
11-07-2009, 11:16 AM
yeah! best bump ever dude)

Action Jackson
11-07-2009, 11:25 AM
That's what you keep saying but you just don't know.

I did not write the article? I translated what was written and nothing more. I didn't put in a view in there.

To make it clear for you. If Agassi failed a doping test I doubt it would be made public and it would be covered up, this does not mean I think Agassi has been taking banned substances, there is a clear difference.

Hmm.

andylovesaustin
11-07-2009, 12:20 PM
The world is round.

:lol:

This keeps getting better and better.

rocketassist
11-07-2009, 01:00 PM
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0805/drugs-dragons-cats-space-time-continum-drugs-forgetfulness-demotivational-poster-1211266624.jpg

Nathaliia
11-07-2009, 01:05 PM
Shame I'll miss the naked dance :devil:
Maybe not?

Forehander
11-07-2009, 01:14 PM
take all Agassi's prize money away for fk sake. And throw Steffi Graf in jail for sending off some maniac to stab Monica Seles

fast_clay
11-07-2009, 02:44 PM
take all Agassi's prize money away for fk sake. And throw Steffi Graf in jail for sending off some maniac to stab Monica Seles

yeah, that duo really have a lot of 90's trash to answer for...

ServeAlready81
11-07-2009, 04:44 PM
It's funny reading through this thread and seeing just how naïve people are. I love how people put 100% trust in doping agencies who have had a history of covering up doping by top athletes to protect the $$$

Denaon
11-11-2009, 03:55 PM
Shit I'm not dancing naked!

thegreendestiny
11-11-2009, 04:14 PM
yeah, that duo really have a lot of 90's trash to answer for...

The "perfect" tennis couple.:rolleyes: Makes me wonder what kind of domestic situation they have behind those seemingly happy and perfectly arranged interviews and photoshoots. :confused:

rocketassist
11-11-2009, 04:26 PM
http://media.photobucket.com/image/crystal%20meth%20meme/stewart_roy/MotivatorCrystalMeth.jpg

DrJules
11-11-2009, 07:17 PM
Good thread.

Now confirmed by Agassi's own book.