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Murray - Is He Really A Claycourter?

joeb_uk
09-23-2005, 06:25 PM
Ok i recently posted this in another thread:
"I dont know if anyone feels the same, but you have to question whether murray really is a claycourt player like he makes out. His results have been crap on clay, and the only evidence we have of him being any good on the surface is his wannabe talk. He always talks himself up on clay, and then has bad results!

I have had a closer look at his results on clay:

Ettlingen Challenger Qualifying Draw Germany
CH 21 May 2005 to 22 May 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 L Marcel GRANOLLERS-PUJOL (ESP) 4-6 1-6


Dresden Challenger Germany
CH 16 May 2005 to 22 May 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 W German PUENTES-ALCANIZ (ESP) 6-3 6-3
16 L Michael LAMMER (SUI) 4-6 3-6


Spain F6 Futures Spain
FU 02 May 2005 to 08 May 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 W Pablo ANDUJAR-ALBA (ESP) 6-1 4-6 6-3
16 W Javier GARRAPIZ-BORDERIAS (ESP) 6-3 6-0
QF L Daniel GIMENO-TRAVER (ESP) 4-6 3-6


Spain F5 Futures Spain
FU 25 Apr 2005 to 01 May 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 W Stephane BOHLI (SUI) 7-5 0-6 6-4
16 W Daniel MONEDERO-GONZALEZ (ESP) 6-4 4-6 6-3
QF W Borja MARTINEZ-LEJARZA (ESP) 6-0 6-1
SF L Javier GENARO-MARTINEZ (ESP) 5-7 5-7


Barcelona Spain
CS 18 Apr 2005 to 24 Apr 2005 Entry : WC Clay (O)
64 L Jan HERNYCH (CZE) 6-3 4-6 4-6


Valencia Qualifying Draw Spain
WS 02 Apr 2005 to 03 Apr 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 L Federico LUZZI (ITA) 3-6 3-6


Napoli Challenger Qualifying Draw Italy
CH 26 Mar 2005 to 27 Mar 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 L Julio SILVA (BRA) 3-6 3-6


Barletta Challenger Italy
CH 21 Mar 2005 to 27 Mar 2005 Entry : Q Clay (O)
32 W Arnaud DI PASQUALE (FRA) 6-4 6-3
16 L Alessio DI MAURO (ITA) 2-6 1-6


Barletta Challenger Qualifying Draw Italy
CH 19 Mar 2005 to 20 Mar 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 B BYE
16 W Maximilian ABEL (GER) 6-7(7) 6-3 7-5
QF W Giancarlo PETRAZZUOLO (ITA) 6-3 6-1



Santiago Challenger Qualifying Draw Chile
CH 23 Jan 2005 to 24 Jan 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 L Felipe PARADA (CHI) 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 3-6


La Serena Challenger Qualifying Draw Chile
CH 15 Jan 2005 to 16 Jan 2005 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 W Luis HORMAZABAL (CHI) 6-2 6-1
16 W Oscar SERRANO-GAMEZ (ESP) 6-3 6-3
QF L Juan-Antonio MARIN (CRC) 5-7 3-6


Spain F34A Futures Spain
FU 13 Dec 2004 to 19 Dec 2004 Entry : DA Clay (O)
32 W Hugo TARACIDO-LOUREIRO (ESP) 6-0 6-3
16 W Gorka FRAILE-EXTEBERRIA (ESP) 6-3 6-4
QF W Andis JUSKA (LAT) 6-3 RET
SF W Dusan KAROL (CZE) 7-5 6-1
FR W Nicolas TOURTE (FRA) 6-4 5-7 7-5

Now compared to his results on hardcourt/grass (His record on clay is quite inferior). I dont think he even made the rolandgarros junior final did he? And Of course have to add his loss today.

Dirk
09-23-2005, 06:27 PM
He is young give him time. Look how long it took Roger to become great on clay although Roger was great on clay as a junior.

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:28 PM
wel judeing on todays performance then no, but why would he say his best surface is clay if it isnt? maybe after a few years on tour his results on clay will be better than his results on other surfaces

alfonsojose
09-23-2005, 06:30 PM
He's a teenager. His hormones confuse him. He loves to be spanked on clay :drool: :smash:

joeb_uk
09-23-2005, 06:31 PM
He is young give him time. Look how long it took Roger to become great on clay although Roger was great on clay as a junior.
Yeah but i dont think roger was constantly talking himself up as a claycourt player. Its only because of what murray has said that it made me wonder how good he really is on the surface.

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:33 PM
He's a teenager. His hormones confuse him. He loves to be spanked on clay :drool: :smash:
lol

joeb_uk
09-23-2005, 06:34 PM
wel judeing on todays performance then no, but why would he say his best surface is clay if it isnt? maybe after a few years on tour his results on clay will be better than his results on other surfaces
Maybe he is just a wannabe :shrug: But i do find it hard to believe that it could be his best surface. But i am also confused on why he would say it :p

PaulieM
09-23-2005, 06:34 PM
well he said he likes to play on clay, so maybe he enjoys it even if his results aren't great :shrug:

joeb_uk
09-23-2005, 06:34 PM
He's a teenager. His hormones confuse him. He loves to be spanked on clay :drool: :smash:
:lol:

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 06:34 PM
Good drop shots but footwork is crap for clay, and not so much topspin from what I saw live today... Stan is better !

joeb_uk
09-23-2005, 06:36 PM
well he said he likes to play on clay, so maybe he enjoys it even if his results aren't great :shrug:
Thats what i thought, he says his best surface is clay (as in ability wise). But I guess maybe his favourite surface is clay (and because of that, he thinks its his best surface :eek: )

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:43 PM
Thats what i thought, he says his best surface is clay (as in ability wise). But I guess maybe his favourite surface is clay (and because of that, he thinks its his best surface :eek: )
:lol:

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:46 PM
Good drop shots but footwork is crap for clay, and not so much topspin from what I saw live today... Stan is better !
yeah hes a bit lazy on the footwork. he has sum good drop shots but how many do you need to play in a match? :eek: he seemed to be hititng one evry second ball and they were getting way to predictable. he wasnt winning the majority of the points when he drop shotted so it was a bit of a bad tactic. his shot selection was poor as well today, but you can tell he has alot to improve on which is a good sign really, if he works hard, he can go far.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 07:17 PM
He constructs the points well! He plays great from what I see! This means nothing, he improved more than 200%:ras: He can play with topspin too, but he doesn't like. He showed some good shot-making today:D Hopefully he continues like this, then it's not much time to go till he's on top of the game:woohoo:

HE GOT THE 3RD WC INTO BANGKOK:woohoo::yeah:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 07:18 PM
yeah hes a bit lazy on the footwork. he has sum good drop shots but how many do you need to play in a match? :eek: he seemed to be hititng one evry second ball and they were getting way to predictable. he wasnt winning the majority of the points when he drop shotted so it was a bit of a bad tactic. his shot selection was poor as well today, but you can tell he has alot to improve on which is a good sign really, if he works hard, he can go far.

He got stronger too:yeah:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 09:00 PM
Well I would say no.. And joeb_uk, Murray made it to the SF of the FO Junior this year ;) to answer your question in your first post. Atm I am wondering how he could do this coz today he reaaaaaally played poorly (sorry to his fans)... Dropshots, sometimes strong serve... what else? Nearly nothing... At least to little to win at least a set... And man this boy has NO physical condition... After 2 sets he was already stretching his legs (or his back)...

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 09:07 PM
I agree, his game is a lot more suited to hard courts and probably grass courts too. Today was the 1st time I'd seen him play an ATP match on clay (his only previous one was against Hernych) and I didn't think he played too badly, but he doesn't have the patience, or the physical ability to continously get balls back like a Nadal or Coria. He knows his game better than anyone though, and he's got his head in the right place so if he thinks his game is best on clay then I'll go along with it, but he'll need to put in some big performances to match his efforts on the other surfaces.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 09:09 PM
Not right.

He made some exellent shot-making.
And has lots of power in his groundstrokes...
I think he played a good match today, Wawrinka just made the important points.
I didn't notice that he stretch after 2 sets:lol: impossible, he can go over 3.30 without cramping.

Nathy
09-23-2005, 09:16 PM
He made some exellent shot-making.


Right, I completely agree. "SOME" not enough though...


And has lots of power in his groundstrokes...


Quite right coz he hits the ball quick after the rebound some times...


I think he played a good match today, Wawrinka just made the important points.


Don't agree here... Wawrinka made the important points yes, but Murray didn't play as he used to play on grass for example... What Andy only did today: DROPSHOTS! And sometimes serving well but that's nearly all...


I didn't notice that he stretch after 2 sets:lol: impossible, he can go over 3.30 without cramping.

I was there in the stands and saw this with my own eyes, maybe at that right moment the tv camera wasn't showing him :rolleyes:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 09:24 PM
Right, I completely agree. "SOME" not enough though...



Quite right coz he hits the ball quick after the rebound some times...



Don't agree here... Wawrinka made the important points yes, but Murray didn't play as he used to play on grass for example... What Andy only did today: DROPSHOTS! And sometimes serving well but that's nearly all...



I was there in the stands and saw this with my own eyes, maybe at that right moment the tv camera wasn't showing him :rolleyes:

Might be, but this has nothing to do with his fitness.:o

Buddy, don't forget, Grass isn't Clay, At one point you have to agree, his returns were:worship: This could bring Federer some Problems:devil: I don't think that he'll beat him, but it won't be a bagel show:woohoo:
I think at the begin of the 3rd he out-played Wawrinka, it was great, the power of his FH, I can't imagine ppl said before that he has no power:haha:

yeah, the 137 mph serves are just a fluke:shrug:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Might be, but this has nothing to do with his fitness.:o

Buddy, don't forget, Grass isn't Clay, At one point you have to agree, his returns were:worship: This could bring Federer some Problems:devil: I don't think that he'll beat him, but it won't be a bagel show:woohoo:
I think at the begin of the 3rd he out-played Wawrinka, it was great, the power of his FH, I can't imagine ppl said before that he has no power:haha:

yeah, the 137 mph serves are just a fluke:shrug:

I said "strong serve" SOMETIMES ;)

Beginning of 3rd set he out-played Wawrinka? Oh come on, Wawrinka was depressuring a bit, that's all... When he came back to his level of play (which is superior to Andy's) he came back and won the set and the match :p

And yes, agree on the returns, really good ones today :yeah:

And IF Roger plays Andy, I have never thought about a bagel show... We all know Murray is better than Mackin... Sure it will be "more difficult" ( :rolleyes: ) for Roger against Andy than against Mackin, but who cares? We'll win the doubles tomorrow :p

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 09:34 PM
Do you know that Federer has a horrible H2H against (young) players he plays the first time?:devil::tape:

Vo wo chumsch?:o

Nathy
09-23-2005, 09:41 PM
Do you know that Federer has a horrible H2H against (young) players he plays the first time?:devil::tape:

Vo wo chumsch?:o

Tell me how his H2H against Mackin looks like :rolleyes: Maybe he isn't young, I don't know :p We'll see what happens but I really dont think your god will beat MY GOD ;)

WTF? :confused:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 09:45 PM
Tell me how his H2H against Mackin looks like :rolleyes: Maybe he isn't young, I don't know :p We'll see what happens but I really dont think your god will beat MY GOD ;)

WTF? :confused:

:lol: I mean talented players:haha:


We'll see:p

You're not swiss?:sad:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 11:15 PM
:lol: I mean talented players:haha:


We'll see:p

You're not swiss?:sad:

Okay I see ;)

I really do not worry about this :p

Yes I am but from the French part so I don't get any Schwizertütsch sorry :p

Pheobo
09-23-2005, 11:16 PM
I think once his game matures he'll be a god clay court player, but nothing extraordinary...

kundalini
09-24-2005, 01:10 AM
It was 105 - 103 points.

Only that Andy totally failed to win the key points.

If he had served 62% instead of 42% he might have won comfortably.

Otherwise I thought he played ok - certainly better than I expected and well enough to make me think he could be a contender on clay in 2 or 3 years' time.

As for his best surface, it is not at all clear - perhaps grass but that might have been the home crowd effect rather than the surface.

Anyway, he looked a decent clay court player who couldn't get his first serve in play on the crucial points, playing against an opponent who produced big serves and smart plays when needed.

LaPetiteSerbe
09-24-2005, 05:48 PM
I don't think so..he can play on clay good, but only because he learned. His serve can be a big weapon, and he has alot of potential to play good on grass and hardcourt IMO :)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-24-2005, 06:08 PM
His returns were:inlove::drool::yeah:

I'd say he's a allrounder:D

tangerine_dream
05-16-2009, 09:05 PM
I'm bumping this Murray thread to get a moderator to come running and close it.

Then after they close it they will look around and see the racist crap posted in the results thread and do their proper job.

Roddickominator
05-16-2009, 09:17 PM
Funny thread.

TennisViewer531
05-17-2009, 08:31 AM
He's a claycourter - but not as good as the others...

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 09:02 AM
He's a total mug on clay.

Jōris
05-17-2009, 09:11 AM
Murray is the second best clay courter of the year.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VFmvDdpUtv4/RoRDJjuzAwI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/x4nlHFm7tRU/s320/Graphic1.jpg

born_on_clay
05-17-2009, 11:09 AM
He's a mug on clay. Let's face it...

Andi-M
05-17-2009, 11:22 AM
He looks bad on clay because he's soo good on HC, but in reality he isn't.
Based on his points earned on clay this year he's cetainly top 10 on this surface. Difficult to judge really because CC spealists play minor events and get lots of points but flop out 1R/2R of clay masters. He's gotten to a SF of a clay AMS has Monaco, Almugro, Robredo, Acasuso, Montanes.....no! Only Wawrinka has done well in big clay events out of the so called spealists.

He has alot of potential to do better still i think. I expect to see consistantly decent showings at RG over next few years.