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Karol Beck wins first rubber. vamos argentina!

daze11
09-23-2005, 04:12 PM
i am horrified to report it, but the only way i can minimize my own embarrassment is by fessing up right here in GM.

the "great" guillermo coria went to his first davis cup match of the semifinal tie and was SCHOOLED in straight sets by happless Karol Beck 7-5 6-4 6-4. Karol Beck has had a LOSING RECORD in EVERY YEAR he has played and has lost in the FIRST ROUND in THREE successive grand slam events.

Losing to a player such as this in a davis cup tie is equal to allowing someone to take you by the mouth and pour maggots down your throat and make you swallow them infront of a wildly applauding crowd.

I havent felt this embarrassed since....robby ginepri, just a few weeks ago. :rolleyes:

PaulieM
09-23-2005, 04:14 PM
:lol: poor guille:hug:

R.Federer
09-23-2005, 04:14 PM
It is quite incredible win for Karol and tough loss for guille -definitely one no one expects

daze11
09-23-2005, 04:15 PM
i propose, to make it easier to handle, again ADMITTING IT is the key. It will take away the humiliation and we will feel cleansed. ALL TOGETHER now, we coria lovers & supporters, repeat:

"GUILLE, WE LOVE YOU. BUT YOU WENT OUT THERE AND GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A WORTHLESS 2-PENNY PUNK. HE BEAT YOU AND BEAT YOU AND BEAT YOU. NOW, COME IN SO WE CAN FEED YOU SOME NICE WARM SOUP AND GIVE YOU A HUG."

:hug:

kundalini
09-23-2005, 04:17 PM
wow

PaulieM
09-23-2005, 04:17 PM
"GUILLE, WE LOVE YOU. BUT YOU WENT OUT THERE AND GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A WORTHLESS 2-PENNY PUNK.
hmm i bet you and karolbeckfan are going to get on really well.:p

alexito
09-23-2005, 04:18 PM
congratulations beck
coria loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r

daze11
09-23-2005, 04:21 PM
hmm i bet you and karolbeckfan are going to get on really well.:p
well, i may be embarrassed for the moment, but at least i dont have to go around being embarrassed for a whole career! :haha:

tangerine_dream
09-23-2005, 04:22 PM
I havent felt this embarrassed since....robby ginepri, just a few weeks ago. :rolleyes:
I don't see any embarassment in losing a five-setter to Robby Ginepri on his best surface? It was a great match.

*Ljubica*
09-23-2005, 04:23 PM
Did you have to mention pouring maggots down throats when I'm about to eat my evening meal :eek:

Anyway - seriously - I think the main problem here was under-estimating the opponent. I read the Argentine Press most days - and all the players and media were so confident of this tie - somewhat like the Australians before the quarter final against Argentina :rolleyes: Beck isn't a great player, but he is one of these solid ones who occasionally pulls off a surprise result, and obviously rises to the occasion when playing for his country - just like his fellow Slovak Hrbaty does. I didn't see the match so I won't comment on whether Coria was "schooled" or not - I was planning to go at one time, but had to cancel for various personal reasons so could only follow it on live score. However, although I never hide my hearty dislike of Coria here, I somewhat doubt he was "schooled" - he doesn't give up easily and it's not as though he was bagelled or anything. I do think he has some serious psychological problems on court nowadays though - far too many double faults in his game from what I can tell - and a failure to perform on the big stage that wasn't in his game 2 years ago,

daze11
09-23-2005, 04:30 PM
Did you have to mention pouring maggots down throats when I'm about to eat my evening meal :eek:

Anyway - seriously - I think the main problem here was under-estimating the opponent. I read the Argentine Press most days - and all the players and media were so confident of this tie - somewhat like the Australians before the quarter final against Argentina :rolleyes: Beck isn't a great player, but he is one of these solid ones who occasionally pulls off a surprise result, and obviously rises to the occasion when playing for his country - just like his fellow Slovak Hrbaty does. I didn't see the match so I won't comment on whether Coria was "schooled" or not - I was planning to go at one time, but had to cancel for various personal reasons so could only follow it on live score. However, although I never hide my hearty dislike of Coria here, I somewhat doubt he was "schooled" - he doesn't give up easily and it's not as though he was bagelled or anything. I do think he has some serious psychological problems on court nowadays though - far too many double faults in his game from what I can tell - and a failure to perform on the big stage that wasn't in his game 2 years ago,thanks rosie. i expected a bigger :lol: from you, so :worship: for not kicking a horse when hes down.

i thought it was rather big of me to report this, since no one had mentioned it, and wanted to admit cleanly the fact of the loss.

it is a SCHOOLING in that this is a match he should have won by easier scores than he lost by! It would not be considered a schooling in a traditional sense, no.

i know he did fight hard, but anyone can come up flat. and the crowd, from the little i saw, was already putting all their energy into beck and supplying him with loud crazed support, i'm sure he responded well to the environment.

oneandonlyhsn
09-23-2005, 04:36 PM
Guille :(

*Ljubica*
09-23-2005, 04:36 PM
:p thanks rosie. i expected a bigger :lol: from you, so :worship: for not kicking a horse when hes down.

i thought it was rather big of me to report this, since no one had mentioned it, and wanted to admit cleanly the fact of the loss.

it is a SCHOOLING in that this is a match he should have won by easier scores than he lost by! It would not be considered a schooling in a traditional sense, no.

i know he did fight hard, but anyone can come up flat. and the crowd, from the little i saw, was already putting all their energy into beck and supplying him with loud crazed support, i'm sure he responded well to the environment.

I'm British - we like our "fair play" and generally don't kick a man/horse/tennis player when he's down!!! :p And - yes - it was big of you to start this thread!!! :hug:

daze11
09-23-2005, 04:38 PM
I don't see any embarassment in losing a five-setter to Robby Ginepri on his best surface? It was a great match.
ok, if you insist...then since losing to florian mayer in the semis of sopot on clay just a few weeks before that. :rolleyes:

the dude is brilliant, but you've gotta stop to take some mental notes at some point in the year. put on the brakes and work out your inner-kinks before going forward. it cant all happen on the court.

Truc
09-23-2005, 04:50 PM
I'm not embarrassed. We know Coria can lose to players like Beck on this surface if he doesn't bring his A-game. Things like this happen in Davis Cup, nothing tragic here. I haven't seen the match, but probably Beck also was on fire today.
It would be more embarrassing on clay, but not indoors in Bratislava. It's a bad loss, of course, but not so unexpected. At least not for me.

(If he really was overconfident, as Rosie said, then it's a good lesson. It's so obvious the Slovaks are a very tough opponent when they are playing at home, I can't believe he was underestimating them.)

daze11
09-23-2005, 04:53 PM
I'm not embarrassed. We know Coria can lose to players like Beck on this surface if he doesn't bring his A-game. Things like this happen in Davis Cup, nothing tragic here. I haven't seen the match, but probably Beck also was on fire today.
It would be more embarrassing on clay, but not indoors in Bratislava. It's a bad loss, of course, but not so unexpected. At least not for me. i thought of that at the start, too...i always see him as the great guille, but i also looked through a different lense, and said to myself, "just remember, for all his titles and accomplishments, he is also a player who has never won an indoor event" and it cant be overlooked in this result.

i may be mistaken, but while coria has made finals, i dont know that he has ever won a hard court title, period.

Truc
09-23-2005, 04:58 PM
Actually, he's won an indoor event. Basel 2003. But he was on fire at that time.
(And he had a walk over in the final.)

daze11
09-23-2005, 05:04 PM
Actually, he's won an indoor event. Basel 2003. But he was on fire at that time.
(And he had a walk over in the final.):lol: :rolleyes: ...thats our boy! ;)

alfonsojose
09-23-2005, 05:10 PM
:rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

daze11
09-23-2005, 05:22 PM
:rolls: :rolls: :rolls:hold me, alfonsojose. i need some lovin'. assuage the cramps in my legs. massage the tightness in my...

alfonsojose
09-23-2005, 05:26 PM
hold me, alfonsojose. i need some lovin'. assuage the cramps in my legs. massage the tightness in my...
:drool: :drool: can u feel my breath on your pinky, hairy *ss . You're so tired after that long match. Let me give u the massage of your life :devil:

daze11
09-23-2005, 05:27 PM
:drool: :drool: can u feel my breath on your pinky, hairy *ss . You're so tired after that long match. Let me give u the massage of your life :devil:yes, this is a time for getting warm under the sheets with melted chocolates and fresh fruits. :aplot: guille is a very attractive soldier.

joeb_uk
09-23-2005, 05:29 PM
DAMN Coria should be straight setting a player like beck on any surface. Awful loss for coria. Even on carpet i expected argentina to make a clean sweep of slovakia (excluding doubles). This is a shocking loss :sad:

alfonsojose
09-23-2005, 05:38 PM
let's wait for his excuses. "I have a crotch injury. I grabbed it too hard last time so i couldn't pull the trick again"

fco253
09-23-2005, 05:56 PM
What a surprise! AJ talking out of his ass and self-embarrasing again...

Coria made not excuse whatsoever, he simply said that Beck is a better player than him in this surface and played a superior game today, so deserved the win ...


On the other hand, Coria has clearly developed a nerve managing problem... which is a bit odd since he is in the middle stages of his career, he hadn't those issues when younger, and has been a perennial Top 10 for the last 3 years...

He was never loose, his balls were not deep, and his serve problem showed up the minute the match got to a decisive point... he played the match wanting Beck to lose it and he didn't.

KB didn't played the monumental match some Argentine press will claim he did to protect Coria, but he was solid thru the whole match and aggresive and accurate in the big moments... kudos for him.

daze11
09-23-2005, 05:57 PM
let's wait for his excuses. "I have a crotch injury. I grabbed it too hard last time so i couldn't pull the trick again"that is not very loving, fonzie. :p i dont want to speak of crotch injuries.

daze11
09-23-2005, 06:18 PM
good article from the davis cup site:

Karol Beck described it as his best-ever victory in the Davis Cup by BNP Paribas, and to see the way he took Argentina’s top-ranked player Guillermo Coria apart, it’s hard to think he has played better in his entire career.

The 48th ranked Slovak overcame a forceful start from the world No 8, breaking the back of the match at the end of the first set. After that he went from strength to strength, running out a 75 64 64 victor after not once dropping serve in a two-hour 33-minute match.

One thing the match did from the very first point was nail the idea that this was an unfairly fast court. The opening rally had 16 strokes, and if there were any questions about the surface, they should be directed more towards Beck’s several stumbles than to the speed the ball left the rubber. The match was played mostly from the baseline, and if Beck was keen to get to the net, that was only because he figured it was the best way to beat Coria.

For the first nine games, Coria had the edge. He used his speed to run down every Beck short ball, and whenever the Slovak came to the net, Coria dropped the ball deftly at his feet to thwart the attack. For a while that undermined Beck’s confidence, and the match became a war of attrition from the baseline.

When Coria had Beck 0-30 at 4-5, all the hard work looked set to pay off. But remarkably, Beck reeled off 12 straight points to take the first set, and re-establish his own confidence at the expense of Coria’s. Two double faults contributed to Coria’s downfall in the 11th game, and another in the fifth game of the second set allowed Beck the one break he needed to take a 2-0 lead.

With Coria still to win a game against serve, the break Beck took to lead 2-1 in the third looked decisive, but in sight of victory, Beck got tight, made three errors and found himself 15-40 at 4-5. Here was Coria’s chance to break, but the normally decisive Argentinian dumped a tentative sliced backhand into the net on the second of the break points, and two points later Beck was home, symbolically with a volley.

Afterwards Coria was magnanimous in defeat. “I came up against a player who was better on the day,” he said. “Maybe the 4-5 situation in the first set was the decisive moment, but once I’d put all the pieces in my head back together again, I felt I could win the match, in fact I felt that until the last point.” :yeah:

Billabong
09-23-2005, 06:21 PM
:eek::eek::eek: What happened???

Scotso
09-23-2005, 06:37 PM
:)

lorenz
09-23-2005, 07:28 PM
I couldn't watch the macth. I only follow the online score.
I'm very dissappointed. Coria can't overcome his physcological problems on court.

tennyfan
09-23-2005, 07:47 PM
Anyway - seriously - I think the main problem here was under-estimating the opponent. I read the Argentine Press most days - and all the players and media were so confident of this tie - somewhat like the Australians before the quarter final against Argentina

In the articles I've read, it's the Slovaks who seem overconfident. Here's a link to a reuters article:

"No Problems" (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=tennisNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20050922:MTFH83 202_2005-09-22_14-29-21_L22569351:1)

An excerpt from the article:

"I look forward to the match... Coria is a very good player, I've played against him before -- I'll certainly manage him," said a confident Beck, who lost the pair's previous encounter on grass in two straight sets in 2004.

Slovakia's top player Dominik Hrbaty, ranked 19th in the world, will face Coria in the reverse singles on Sunday hoping to expose the Argentine number one's Achilles heel.

NO PROBLEMS

"He is a player who is psychically very unstable," Hrbaty, who has not lost a singles match in the Davis Cup at home in the last two years, told reporters.

Coria said he had no problems with a hard surface chosen by the Slovaks but anticipated a tough match against Slovakia's number one.

"It will be very difficult, my opponent is playing very well, I'll have to do my best," said Coria.

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 08:11 PM
Guille just isn't as consistant as he used to be. On his day he can still beat anyone in the world, but he seems to be having some bad, bad days at the moment. Disappointing result, I really don't like Karol Beck :(

*Ljubica*
09-23-2005, 08:31 PM
In the articles I've read, it's the Slovaks who seem overconfident. Here's a link to a reuters article:

"No Problems" (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=tennisNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20050922:MTFH83 202_2005-09-22_14-29-21_L22569351:1)

An excerpt from the article:

"I look forward to the match... Coria is a very good player, I've played against him before -- I'll certainly manage him," said a confident Beck, who lost the pair's previous encounter on grass in two straight sets in 2004.

Slovakia's top player Dominik Hrbaty, ranked 19th in the world, will face Coria in the reverse singles on Sunday hoping to expose the Argentine number one's Achilles heel.

NO PROBLEMS

"He is a player who is psychically very unstable," Hrbaty, who has not lost a singles match in the Davis Cup at home in the last two years, told reporters.

Coria said he had no problems with a hard surface chosen by the Slovaks but anticipated a tough match against Slovakia's number one.

"It will be very difficult, my opponent is playing very well, I'll have to do my best," said Coria.

Yes - I've read that too - but I was talking about the Spanish language press - papers like "La Nacion", "Clarins", "Infobae", "El Tribuno," etc where they interview players, officials etc in more depth than the DC site or Reuters would do. Beck turned out to be right as well :)

Julio1974
09-23-2005, 08:47 PM
Did you have to mention pouring maggots down throats when I'm about to eat my evening meal :eek:

Anyway - seriously - I think the main problem here was under-estimating the opponent. I read the Argentine Press most days - and all the players and media were so confident of this tie - somewhat like the Australians before the quarter final against Argentina :rolleyes: Beck isn't a great player, but he is one of these solid ones who occasionally pulls off a surprise result, and obviously rises to the occasion when playing for his country - just like his fellow Slovak Hrbaty does. I didn't see the match so I won't comment on whether Coria was "schooled" or not - I was planning to go at one time, but had to cancel for various personal reasons so could only follow it on live score. However, although I never hide my hearty dislike of Coria here, I somewhat doubt he was "schooled" - he doesn't give up easily and it's not as though he was bagelled or anything. I do think he has some serious psychological problems on court nowadays though - far too many double faults in his game from what I can tell - and a failure to perform on the big stage that wasn't in his game 2 years ago,

I totally agree with you, Rosie. Argentine press was too confident about winning this tie, but it's gonna be extremely difficult.

Truc
09-23-2005, 09:14 PM
I agree, I wrote in the Coria forum too a few days ago that the articles in the Argentine press were way too euphoric and that they had to be careful.
But do you have quotes of Coria himself (not of the journalists or the other players of the team) which prove that he was under-estimating Beck? Because Coria's problem lately is rather a lack of confidence, I can't imagine he was overconfident.

tennyfan
09-23-2005, 09:28 PM
The "Spanish" press may be over confident, but I don't think Coria himself was over confident, at least not based on the articles I've seen with "quotes" from him in English nor the ones Argentine fans have translated here and on other boards. Hrbaty, on the other hand, seems extremely overconfident and David knocked him down a peg or 2 today. Hope David and Mariano can win the doubles tomorrow and put Argentina up 2-1.

RogiFan88
09-23-2005, 10:10 PM
I wouldn't call Karol Beck 'hapless', at least not in DC ties... ;)

nermo
09-23-2005, 10:13 PM
why wasn't i surprised with this result? :confused:
may be cuz i think Coria is having a growing sensation of lack of confidence these days, and ofcourse itwon't help if he's really suffering from a nerve inflammation or his shoulder..that was also the first match for the team in this round , this can put enough stress on an already stressed person.. :o
again , i don't think that Karol beck is that easy to go player, i think he can be dangrous sometimes, and it must have been a good day for him..

Pheobo
09-23-2005, 10:15 PM
haha Guille you suck!

+alonso
09-23-2005, 10:16 PM
i dont see the problem!!!
I think ppl dont remember slovakia players are such a fighters ;) bravo :)

Leo
09-24-2005, 12:08 AM
I admit that I was surprised with how easily Beck won but come on, this is a fast indoor court and Beck is a rock star in Davis Cup! Coria, meanwhile, has been serving extremely poorly and is lacking confidence compared to the Guillermo of 2003-2004.

I love Nalby but I can't help but root for the underestimated Slovaks in this tie. :)

NYCtennisfan
09-24-2005, 12:13 AM
Well it's a tough and a really bad loss for Coria but this is sports and this is tennis. Anything can happen. I'm sure lots of people lost lots of money betting on him. Unless we are talking about Nadal on clay or Federer anywhere, there's no such thing as an easy win.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 02:07 AM
Um, this result was expected. By some of us, at least. Beck had the surface advantage, the home advantage... like, how was this a surprise? :confused:

A pity for Coria, of course.

Is this a horrible troll, Daze, or do you actually know that little about Beck? :shrug:

Sjengster
09-24-2005, 02:21 AM
Well, it wasn't exactly expected by me, but I did think Beck had a decent chance of winning - I was surprised it was so comprehensive, though. Karol B is the man who should have pushed Sampras to five sets in his first ever DC match, on US soil no less, so he's certainly not to be underestimated as a player and especially in this event. Fast carpet and grass are just about the only surfaces where I would say he has a reasonable shot at beating Coria, although it's interesting to note that their only other meeting was won by Coria in straights in Rosmalen last year.

There is, however, little that can sate MTF posters' appetite for grand guignol when starting threads.

daze11
09-24-2005, 03:57 AM
Um, this result was expected. By some of us, at least. Beck had the surface advantage, the home advantage... like, how was this a surprise? :confused:

A pity for Coria, of course.

Is this a horrible troll, Daze, or do you actually know that little about Beck? :shrug:winning today does not change that karol beck has lost more matches than he's won in every year of his career, which is pathetic, and he's lost in the first round of 3 grand slams in a row, which is also pathetic. if his only good results are in davis cup, then hes not a tennis player but a show horse. he is terrible.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:01 AM
winning today does not change that karol beck has lost more matches than he's won in every year of his career, which is pathetic, and he's lost in the first round of 3 grand slams in a row, which is also pathetic. if his only good results are in davis cup, then hes not a tennis player but a show horse. he is terrible.
Okay, anybody who calls somebody that is able to make a living playing tennis a "pathetic player" is clearly just trolling. There is no other possible explanation.

Action Jackson
09-24-2005, 04:02 AM
winning today does not change that karol beck has lost more matches than he's won in every year of his career, which is pathetic, and he's lost in the first round of 3 grand slams in a row, which is also pathetic. if his only good results are in davis cup, then hes not a tennis player but a show horse. he is terrible.

What? It never occured to you that some players actually play better in a team environment and in Davis Cup than for themselves Hrbaty and Nalbandian are examples of this and I shouldn't be surprised that you would come out with a comment about Beck like that, so Hrbaty, Nalbandian are show horses as well?

Beck is far from one of my favourite players, but he can play well on faster surfaces, in Davis Cup and the home advantage, Argentina are fortunate that Nalbandian won his match.

If Hrbaty bitchslaps Coria, will he be a show pony as well?

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:10 AM
Okay, anybody who calls somebody that is able to make a living playing tennis a "pathetic player" is clearly just trolling. There is no other possible explanation.hes very fortunate to be playing in this generation, its that simple. players with consistently losing records didnt used to make a great living. it is not trolling to appreciate quality.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 04:12 AM
hes very fortunate to be playing in this generation, its that simple. players with consistently losing records didnt used to make a great living. it is not trolling to appreciate quality.

Poor record aside, Beck is in the top 50 like it or not. So you can't call him shit player #907320649.

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:15 AM
What? It never occured to you that some players actually play better in a team environment and in Davis Cup than for themselves Hrbaty and Nalbandian are examples of this and I shouldn't be surprised that you would come out with a comment about Beck like that, so Hrbaty, Nalbandian are show horses as well?

Beck is far from one of my favourite players, but he can play well on faster surfaces, in Davis Cup and the home advantage, Argentina are fortunate that Nalbandian won his match.

If Hrbaty bitchslaps Coria, will he be a show pony as well?dude, tennis is all about individual experience, unless you're watching a lot of doubles matches. needing to be pushed like a herd animal in order to produce quality play is the sign of a lower life form. its lame. if you want to defend the reliance on herd mentality, then grab a beer and go right ahead.

naldbandian is actually one of only 3 players in the ATP (along with coria, i might add) who made at least the R16 of EVERY slam this year. he is a top tener. his results are NOT limited to DC in the least.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:19 AM
Okay, Daze wins either "troll of the day" or "dumbass of the day". I haven't yet decided which.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 04:21 AM
Okay, Daze wins either "troll of the day" or "dumbass of the day". I haven't yet decided which.

"Troll of the day" most definitely. "Dumbass" is just an add-on, much like one's signature.

Action Jackson
09-24-2005, 04:24 AM
dude, tennis is all about individual experience, unless you're watching a lot of doubles matches. needing to be pushed like a herd animal in order to produce quality play is the sign of a lower life form. its lame. if you want to defend the reliance on herd mentality, then grab a beer and go right ahead.

What you think I have never played an individual sport or something? Then again you are the same person who for 97 per cent of the time is excuses for Coria when he loses, not even Guille does it that often.

Fact is there are different circumstances involved in Davis Cup than normal tournaments, whether you like or not, some players play well in it and others don't, not that hard to work out and it's still 2 players on the court in a singles match, and it's not like coaching doesn't happen in regular events.

naldbandian is actually one of only 3 players in the ATP (along with coria, i might add) who made at least the R16 of EVERY slam this year. he is a top tener. his results are NOT limited to DC in the least.

He has only ever won small titles and not confirmed some good results into better performances, he plays better in the Davis Cup environment than he does for himself, then again you are the one you still thinks cramp is an injury, so thanks for the fun.

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:24 AM
Okay, Daze wins either "troll of the day" or "dumbass of the day". I haven't yet decided which.thats like telling me i should like and appreciate shit music. you can listen to bon jovi and say thats good rock cuz they sold millions of records but they suck. they are not led zepplin. have some standards. consider that those without standards are trolls.

but i am not telling YOU not to like ol' bon jovi. i hope you enjoy many more karol beck matches.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:27 AM
"Troll of the day" most definitely. "Dumbass" is just an add-on, much like one's signature.

Yes, but not all trolls are dumbasses, so I like to keep the two seperate.

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:28 AM
"Troll of the day" most definitely. "Dumbass" is just an add-on, much like one's signature.you both flatter me. :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:28 AM
thats like telling me i should like and appreciate shit music. you can listen to bon jovi and say thats good rock cuz they sold millions of records but they suck. they are not led zepplin. have some standards. consider that those without standards are trolls.

but i am not telling YOU not to like ol' bon jovi. i hope you enjoy many more karol beck matches.
Actually, it's nothing like that at all, because nobody is asking that you like Karol Beck. It's merely being pointed out that to call him crap because he doesn't have a winning ATP record is absurd, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of just how good you have to be to make it - let alone win ANY ATP matches.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 04:33 AM
you both flatter me. :wavey:

Smell ya later, dude.

disturb3d
09-24-2005, 04:35 AM
i am horrified to report it, but the only way i can minimize my own embarrassment is by fessing up right here in GM.

the "great" guillermo coria went to his first davis cup match of the semifinal tie and was SCHOOLED in straight sets by happless Karol Beck 7-5 6-4 6-4. Karol Beck has had a LOSING RECORD in EVERY YEAR he has played and has lost in the FIRST ROUND in THREE successive grand slam events.

Losing to a player such as this in a davis cup tie is equal to allowing someone to take you by the mouth and pour maggots down your throat and make you swallow them infront of a wildly applauding crowd.

I havent felt this embarrassed since....robby ginepri, just a few weeks ago. :rolleyes:Why is it necesarry to put down other players only to mask your dissapointment?
This is probably the closest I've come to bad-repping someone.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:35 AM
In summary, Daze, Karol Beck is one of the best players in the world. While you may not think so, because he's not top 20 and doesn't have a winning record, I assure you that there are many would love to hit with a pro that good, just once.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:35 AM
Why is it necesarry to put down other players only to mask your dissapointment?
This is probably the closest I've come to bad-repping someone.
Do it!

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:37 AM
Actually, it's nothing like that at all, because nobody is asking that you like Karol Beck. It's merely being pointed out that to call him crap because he doesn't have a winning ATP record is absurd, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of just how good you have to be to make it - let alone win ANY ATP matches.who cares if they're good enough to play atp?! is that why you watch tennis? you have to know how to play guitar to be in a band and write music...should we all just appreciate them for that? is this kids from fame? i doubt you are so generous with the music you listen to. tennis players are not so special.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 04:38 AM
Okay, now that analogy was so stupid that I might have to create a whole new award category.

Action Jackson
09-24-2005, 04:40 AM
Okay, now that analogy was so stupid that I might have to create a whole new award category.

It looks like the 2005 MTF awards will be bigger than ever, and let me know the category and I will more than likely enter it.

alfonsojose
09-24-2005, 04:41 AM
Daze. I'm waiting in the bedroom :yawn: :devil: Say "see ya" to your fans :wavey: ;)

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:45 AM
i'm surprised you guys can spell words like 'analogy'...you have no comprehension levels. i guess thats why you're defending the low-end players. you relate well.

understanding that, i respectfully move on... bye kids.

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:46 AM
Daze. I'm waiting in the bedroom :yawn: :devil: Say "see ya" to your fans :wavey: ;):haha: i knew you'd want me to build up a little sweat before i got there. roll me a big one, i'm comin' in babe! :D

Action Jackson
09-24-2005, 04:47 AM
i'm surprised you guys can spell words like 'analogy'...you have no comprehension levels. i guess thats why you're defending the low-end players. you relate well.

understanding that, i respectfully move on... bye kids.

Ah! do you want some lessons in how to talk about a players game objectively while not liking them? I will give you the first one for free.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 05:00 AM
Daze. I'm waiting in the bedroom :yawn: :devil: Say "see ya" to your fans :wavey: ;)
Please give the woman/man a good romp. She/he clearly needs it, judging by how much this Coria loss has affected her/him.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 05:01 AM
i'm surprised you guys can spell words like 'analogy'...you have no comprehension levels. i guess thats why you're defending the low-end players. you relate well.

understanding that, i respectfully move on... bye kids.
This coming from somebody who can't even take the time to capitalize?

Oh no you di'int.

daze11
09-24-2005, 05:09 AM
This coming from somebody who can't even take the time to capitalize?

Oh no you di'int.well when i took the time to 'capitalize' on your collective drivel, you so fully failed to grasp it, i saw it was a waste of time.

coming fonzie!! just had to get some juice! :lol:

Baseline
09-24-2005, 05:19 AM
Beck played an excellent match. Aside from a few patches of unenforced errors, he almost never let up and pretty calmly executed his strategy of going for broke. His extremely aggressive game could have backfired, but his shots were typically dead on, and he had some help from his opponent, and the extremely loud Slovakian supporters. Beck's overall DC match record isn't as stellar as Hrbaty's, so maybe crowds were a larger factor in his performance than playing for his country?

Crowds affect all players, to varying degress. Even Federer admitted it got to him a little during the US Open. It was probably the crowds that propelled Blake so far at Pilot Pen/Open and Mathieu so far in Montreal. They may keep winning, but crowd support is a big reason some of the isolated success stories on the tour aren't sustained. Many international players are rarely if ever able to play before a home crowd on the tour, but have their chance at Davis Cup.

Some players can tap into that country support even as guests. Not being good at that does not IMO mean a player is not as caring and supportive of his homeland. In Coria's case, his real problem in the match was IMO the reverse - his desire for Argentina to be in the DC final was so extreme it affected his ability to stay calm and focused. He plays with so much heart he doesn't know how to harness it and put it to effective use. I for one don't want to see him care less. Learning to focus would be better and this may just be a good wake up call?

Making it into the top 50 of the rankings is extremely difficult. There are many high quality players who would love to have Beck's record. He has been improving slowly but steadily year after year, and he will likely continue to do so. Who knows in 1 year where he'll be ranked? Did you expect to see Ginepri make it to the twenties? I see no reason to belittle Beck for a job well done.

Oh, and don't forget that Beck beat Nalbandian on hard courts pre-USO, so he hasn't been playing all that badly on the tour lately either. MS draws can be even more competitive than slams.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 05:20 AM
That would have been clever had you actually proven anybody in this thread to be the fool, aside from yourself. Sadly, you have not. But there is still time.

Action Jackson
09-24-2005, 05:22 AM
That would have been clever had you actually proven anybody in this thread to be the fool, aside from yourself. Sadly, you have not. But there is still time.

Your new award has been approved by the MTF awards committee.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 05:26 AM
Daze, you get the "Buffoon Award".

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 05:45 AM
The "So Bitter I've Shrivelled Up Stupid" prize?

daze11
09-24-2005, 05:48 AM
sigmagirl91, GeorgeWHitler, Chloe...you should clearly realize you have now broken down into a series of posts defined only by name-calling and bad rep-giving, to doubly solidify your poor character.

but then, all 3 of you share in common the fact of having over 20,000 to 25,000 posts each. :eek: which means you should try to get a life. luckily, theres another karol beck match on tomorrow for your enjoyment. thats a start.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 05:55 AM
And for you, there is internet sex. Enjoy!

Action Jackson
09-24-2005, 06:07 AM
sigmagirl91, GeorgeWHitler, Chloe...you should clearly realize you have now broken down into a series of posts defined only by name-calling and bad rep-giving, to doubly solidify your poor character.

but then, all 3 of you share in common the fact of having over 20,000 to 25,000 posts each. :eek: which means you should try to get a life. luckily, theres another karol beck match on tomorrow for your enjoyment. thats a start.

Is that right? Do you miss the offer of a free lesson? Here is the essential difference between you and myself. My feelings for Coria are known, but unlike yourself who can't talk about players they don't like, I have no problems talking about a players respective game irrespective of my particular viewpoint of them.

My poor character well I have been called a dumb nationalistic misogynist fuck this week and this on top of that I am doing well.

If you must know we have a joke MTF awards which were from last year, I mean you are not like alfie who has one named after him that is true legend status.

I am surprised you are actually talking to me, then again I don't make excuses, takes too much time and energy. As for getting a life, hahahaha that's funny and someone you can't refute the arguments with anything resembling an analysis uses that one.

You missed the fact that I am not a Beck fan, but you seem to miss a lot of things.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 07:25 AM
^^Too busy with the 'net sex, I'm afraid.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 12:14 PM
sigmagirl91, GeorgeWHitler, Chloe...you should clearly realize you have now broken down into a series of posts defined only by name-calling and bad rep-giving, to doubly solidify your poor character.

OMG, what are you smoking? I haven't bad-repped you yet; in fact, I haven't called you any names. Taking this way too personal, aren't we?

but then, all 3 of you share in common the fact of having over 20,000 to 25,000 posts each. :eek: which means you should try to get a life. luckily, theres another karol beck match on tomorrow for your enjoyment. thats a start.

Look at how long we've been here compared to how long you've been here. If you do the math, you'd understand how the post counts came about.

iliketennis
09-24-2005, 12:29 PM
That's really mean to Sigma, Daze.

But when it comes to insulting GWH and Chloe, be my guest :D

Scotso
09-24-2005, 01:58 PM
Beck played an excellent match. Aside from a few patches of unenforced errors, he almost never let up and pretty calmly executed his strategy of going for broke. His extremely aggressive game could have backfired, but his shots were typically dead on, and he had some help from his opponent, and the extremely loud Slovakian supporters. Beck's overall DC match record isn't as stellar as Hrbaty's, so maybe crowds were a larger factor in his performance than playing for his country?

Crowds affect all players, to varying degress. Even Federer admitted it got to him a little during the US Open. It was probably the crowds that propelled Blake so far at Pilot Pen/Open and Mathieu so far in Montreal. They may keep winning, but crowd support is a big reason some of the isolated success stories on the tour aren't sustained. Many international players are rarely if ever able to play before a home crowd on the tour, but have their chance at Davis Cup.

Some players can tap into that country support even as guests. Not being good at that does not IMO mean a player is not as caring and supportive of his homeland. In Coria's case, his real problem in the match was IMO the reverse - his desire for Argentina to be in the DC final was so extreme it affected his ability to stay calm and focused. He plays with so much heart he doesn't know how to harness it and put it to effective use. I for one don't want to see him care less. Learning to focus would be better and this may just be a good wake up call?

Making it into the top 50 of the rankings is extremely difficult. There are many high quality players who would love to have Beck's record. He has been improving slowly but steadily year after year, and he will likely continue to do so. Who knows in 1 year where he'll be ranked? Did you expect to see Ginepri make it to the twenties? I see no reason to belittle Beck for a job well done.

Oh, and don't forget that Beck beat Nalbandian on hard courts pre-USO, so he hasn't been playing all that badly on the tour lately either. MS draws can be even more competitive than slams.

:worship:

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 03:28 PM
That's really mean to Sigma, Daze.

But when it comes to insulting GWH and Chloe, be my guest :D

I'm not the least bit insulted by troll wannabe.

Experimentee
09-24-2005, 03:28 PM
I expected Beck to beat Coria on this surface in Slovakia.

daze11
09-24-2005, 03:35 PM
I'm not the least bit insulted by troll wannabe."i havent called you ANY names" ..blah blah... meanwhile, 'troll wannabe' and 'baffoon' creep out of your stale mouth. you are as dishonest as you are imperceptive. i hope the rest of your 25,000+ posts have not all been equally poor quality.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 04:21 PM
"i havent called you ANY names" ..blah blah... meanwhile, 'troll wannabe' and 'baffoon' creep out of your stale mouth. you are as dishonest as you are imperceptive. i hope the rest of your 25,000+ posts have not all been equally poor quality.

Spell "buffoon" right, and you just might be in business. Now if the other 847 posts are of the same quality as this one, then I don't have to worry, now do I?

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:28 PM
Spell "buffoon" right, and you just might be in business. Now if the other 847 posts are of the same quality as this one, then I don't have to worry, now do I?once again trying to overlook content by focusing on bollocks. that is your way. :kiss:

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 04:30 PM
once again trying to overlook content by focusing on bullocks. that is your way. :kiss:

Your post content hasn't exactly been quality, now has it?

daze11
09-24-2005, 04:37 PM
Your post content hasn't exactly been quality, now has it?
every one of them has been correct. your inability to perceive does not alter the truth, even if you have 2 equally feeble minded helpers also failing to perceive, giving you a false sense of accomplishing something.

but you do an excellent job of proving others right, i'll give you that.

sigmagirl91
09-24-2005, 05:35 PM
every one of them has been correct. your inability to perceive does not alter the truth, even if you have 2 equally feeble minded helpers also failing to perceive, giving you a false sense of accomplishing something.

but you do an excellent job of proving others right, i'll give you that.

I love how you chase me around the board. Working hard to be the only personal stalker I'll ever need, aren't you?

Sjengster
09-24-2005, 06:58 PM
Oh look, dazed and confused - this time it's the turn of Naba and Puerta to suffer the indignity of maggots down their mouths, as "terrible" player Karol Beck is good enough to end Nalbandian's unbeaten run in DC doubles in straight sets. And should this tie come down to the final rubber, who has the winning record in that particular match-up again?

daze11
09-24-2005, 07:45 PM
Oh look, dazed and confused - this time it's the turn of Naba and Puerta to suffer the indignity of maggots down their mouths, as "terrible" player Karol Beck is good enough to end Nalbandian's unbeaten run in DC doubles in straight sets. And should this tie come down to the final rubber, who has the winning record in that particular match-up again?doubles couldnt be more different. that was EXTRAORDINARY how they played that match. :worship: it was more than beautiful, it was smart and ballsy play throughout. they really deserved that win. even when nalby & mariano constructed a stunning point, they were really shut down. i was mightily impressed. please dont think there was any anti-nationalism in whatever i said, for gods sake...i discussed a singles match, not one nation over another, though i like the argie squad certainly.