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Charismatic???

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2005, 10:18 AM
Who is the most charismatic player in the ATP??

I'll go with Rafa.

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 10:26 AM
Agassi is the first, just for his self-control and dedication he still puts in his game after all the years... then he's always had an aura, a little something that made him a big star from the begining... there might be some charisma somewhere.
Safin is also charismatic by his looks, his size, and his honest personality
Federer will be more when older, but still I think guys piss in their pants nowadays in the locker room before playing Fed.
In the past, I thinks Sampras was very chrismatic, as well as Connors and Becker....

Kristen
09-22-2005, 10:33 AM
Although I would probably pick some player with a very poor ranking, I'm going with Marat. He's a dag. I like dags.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2005, 10:35 AM
I m surprised that Fed has 0 votes so far. I thought Fed fans considered him to be "Jesus."

jtipson
09-22-2005, 10:42 AM
I'm not a particular fan of his, but surely Roddick should be on this list.

mdhubert - what makes you think Sampras was charismatic? I can't think of a word that describes him worse than that!

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2005, 10:44 AM
JTipson, no one on this board seems to like Roddick so I didn't put him in.
I agree with you on Sampras, he was the most uncharismatic tennis player I have ever seen.

oneandonlyhsn
09-22-2005, 11:19 AM
I guess all the bashing in the other thread wasnt enough, you had to start another one :rolleyes:

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2005, 11:23 AM
I was wondering when JesusFed's disciples would show up? :D

JonnyC21
09-22-2005, 11:23 AM
Andre Agassi IS Mr Charisma, and I would add Guga to that list and El Aynaoui. Safin is humourous but normally looks pissed off in his interviews. Goran was a born showman as well.

Puschkin
09-22-2005, 11:25 AM
in my understanding of the word, there is no competition: Marat!

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 12:17 PM
I'm not a particular fan of his, but surely Roddick should be on this list.

mdhubert - what makes you think Sampras was charismatic? I can't think of a word that describes him worse than that!
I think you're charismatic when you impose respect naturally, without doing gesticulations and controversy... for me Pete was charismatic, explain me why he was not...

1sun
09-22-2005, 12:19 PM
marat, you just cant help loving the guy.he has his faults but is a great guy. even though that loss at aussie is still fresh in my mind i just cant help loving the guy.

jtipson
09-22-2005, 12:38 PM
I think you're charismatic when you impose respect naturally, without doing gesticulations and controversy... for me Pete was charismatic, explain me why he was not...

Charisma: A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm. Personal magnetism or charm.

I really don't think Sampras had these. He won fans through his game and ability to win, not his personality.

Fergie
09-22-2005, 12:46 PM
Marat ;)

alexito
09-22-2005, 12:48 PM
agassi of course, the most. safin??? always angry

Julio1974
09-22-2005, 12:52 PM
I guess I would pick Nadal. But Moya and Guga should be in the list.

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 12:58 PM
Charisma: A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm. Personal magnetism or charm.
You know I've often heard that in the locker room players were impressed by Sampras, he had an aura, we can call it "magnetism". Now maybe you know him better than the ATP pros, but I have my doubts.
When a guy throws up in a 5th set tie-break and goes on to play with courage and determination, he can arouse "fervent popular devotion". Ask Djokovic what he would have done in this case... :devil:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 01:07 PM
Murray:)

~EMiLiTA~
09-22-2005, 01:10 PM
safin.

jtipson
09-22-2005, 01:14 PM
You know I've often heard that in the locker room players were impressed by Sampras, he had an aura, we can call it "magnetism". Now maybe you know him better than the ATP pros, but I have my doubts.
When a guy throws up in a 5th set tie-break and goes on to play with courage and determination, he can arouse "fervent popular devotion". Ask Djokovic what he would have done in this case... :devil:

No, of course I don't know Sampras, any more than you do, I expect.

I'm sure he had a reputation in the locker room, but I think that came from his status as a tennis giant, not because people were drawn to him for his personal magnetism. I can't say I've ever read anything where other players were saying what a wonderful guy Sampras was, for instance. Sure, they pay tribute to his game, his dominance, his mental strength, but his charisma? Nah.

I disagree that Sampras aroused fervent popular devotion. Agassi certainly has done, but sorry, Pete didn't in general. And I don't understand the reference to Djokovic.

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 01:24 PM
his game, his dominance, his mental strength, but his charisma?
If you play like crap and you're a choker there's little chance people define you as "charismatic", so charisma must be based on some of the stuff above, plus physical presence I think Sampras had with his bulky frame and honorable height.
And I don't understand the reference to Djokovic.
Djokovic recently took 5 medical breaks in one match against Monfils, while in Pete-Corretja match in 96' the umpire wanted to stop the match because Pete was obviously sick but the latter went on to play. Just a little joke and another ground on which you build charisma or... greatness.
Now to end on a positive and consensual note, I find Agassi much more charismatic as I mentioned before (though it's not confirmed by the poll).

jtipson
09-22-2005, 01:38 PM
If you play like crap and you're a choker there's little chance people define you as "charismatic", so charisma must be based on some of the stuff above, plus physical presence I think Sampras had with his bulky frame and honorable height.

Not true. Safin often plays crap and chokes, but quite a lot of people rate him as "charismatic". How about Ivanisevic, too?

Sampras is only as tall as Tim Henman (although a little bit heavier build), so he really can't have been physically imposing to the average male tennis player.

I guess we have to agree to disagree on this. :)

rofe
09-22-2005, 01:47 PM
I am a Fed fan but Marat definitely has more charisma than Federer. By the way, Fed has more charisma than Rafa.

willie
09-22-2005, 01:47 PM
Sir Carlos Moya:worship:

liisa
09-22-2005, 01:51 PM
el senor nadal,sin duda

R.Federer
09-22-2005, 01:52 PM
Have to go with Safin, quite easily actually
But Roge is the next ;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2005, 01:53 PM
Well Agassi was always more popular than Sampras, even though Sampras was the top player. That does not seem very charismatic.

Scotso
09-22-2005, 01:55 PM
Nadal.

Jimnik
09-22-2005, 01:55 PM
Of the players on your list, Safin without question.

I think Roddick should be nominated instead of (or as well as) Hewitt and, inspite of their low rankings, El Aynoui and Guga should be there.

Alvarillo
09-22-2005, 01:56 PM
Rafa & Marat
Andre is a legend!

PaulieM
09-22-2005, 02:06 PM
the most charismatic is ivanisevic but my vote goes to roger from all the people on this list.

Golfnduck
09-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Andy and Marat.

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 02:13 PM
Karlovic is the most charismatic by far...

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 02:14 PM
For me, Bjorn Borg was the epitome of charisma. What do you think ? jtipson ?

Margy
09-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Of those choices I went for Marat. But I would have picked Andy or Carlos over him if they were on the list.

jtipson
09-22-2005, 02:52 PM
For me, Bjorn Borg was the epitome of charisma. What do you think ? jtipson ?

Yes, Borg certainly had something special :)

Peoples
09-22-2005, 06:19 PM
Agassi by far. People love him for his achievements, for his game but most of all for his personality. Then maybe Roddick, Gaudio and Grosjean.

Skyward
09-22-2005, 06:24 PM
Other- Davydenko, closely followed by Hanescu.

CocoT_Do
09-22-2005, 06:34 PM
yes marat

onewoman74
09-22-2005, 06:38 PM
Safin...that crazy bastard!!!

its.like.that
09-22-2005, 06:41 PM
Who is the most charismatic player in the ATP??

I'll go with Rafa.

Charisma is the noun, charismatic is the adjective.

Therefore the title should be "Charisma???"

and not "Charismatic???"

musefanatic
09-22-2005, 08:07 PM
Safin is great the way he is always angry. I love watching his matches just to see him explode!!

lilfairyprincess
09-22-2005, 09:55 PM
ooo i dunno... safin..or possibly roddick (??)..even nadal is pretty charasmatic-yea i jus cant choose!! :)

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2005, 10:19 PM
Thanks for the grammar lesson.
I am an accounting student so I like numbers not words. :D

roberta
09-22-2005, 10:21 PM
marat!!!! he´s great!! ;) :D :yeah:

mandoura
09-22-2005, 10:34 PM
Angry, sweet, crazy, talented, handsome, tall, honest, nervous, ... whatever, Marat leaks charisma. He is Mr. Charisma personnified.

mandoura
09-22-2005, 10:40 PM
Charisma is the noun, charismatic is the adjective.

Therefore the title should be "Charisma???"

and not "Charismatic???"

I don't see why. You can have a title made up of an adjective, specially that it is a question.

You can say: Offensive??? Who??? Me???

You wouldn't say: Offense??? Who??? Me???


Titles can be made out of adjectives and not just nouns.

mangoes
09-23-2005, 12:06 AM
Andy should have been on this list.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-23-2005, 12:59 AM
In hindsight Andy should have been included.
He still has some fans left and his post match interviews are hilarious.

Mimi
09-23-2005, 03:30 AM
goran is the best :cool:

its.like.that
09-23-2005, 04:01 AM
I don't see why. You can have a title made up of an adjective, specially that it is a question.

You can say: Offensive??? Who??? Me???

You wouldn't say: Offense??? Who??? Me???


Titles can be made out of adjectives and not just nouns.

I was waiting for someone to reply to this post.

:p

in this case, referring to who has the most charisma, I would've thought it more proper to refer to the subject as a noun rather than an adjective. but there is no set rule, and it gets the message across either way.

:)

Sandra
09-23-2005, 09:07 AM
Safin!:yeah:

LuckyAC
09-23-2005, 09:12 AM
Roddick is the most charismatic off-court, although from on-court he looks unpleasant.

disturb3d
09-23-2005, 09:47 AM
Roger, Nadal and Hewitt don't even know what charisma means.

This should be between Andre, Marat and Andy.

joyk
09-23-2005, 05:02 PM
Roger, Nadal and Hewitt don't even know what charisma means.

This should be between Andre, Marat and Andy.
Totally agree.When I saw Federer,Nadal and Hewitt in the poll I thought you were making fun of them.

mandoura
09-23-2005, 05:22 PM
Andy should have been on this list.

Definitely. :)

mandoura
09-23-2005, 05:23 PM
I was waiting for someone to reply to this post.

:p

in this case, referring to who has the most charisma, I would've thought it more proper to refer to the subject as a noun rather than an adjective. but there is no set rule, and it gets the message across either way.

:)

:kiss:

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-23-2005, 07:23 PM
Federer, Nadal & Hewitt don't know what charisma is? :confused:

Then how come Nadal has the 2nd most votes, Federer the 3rd most votes.

People in MTF seem to believe they are charismatic.

Carolinita
09-24-2005, 12:14 AM
maybe Rafa and Fed can be considerate as "charismatic players" (it's not my opinion even though) but Mr. Hewitt??? :scratch:

jrm
09-24-2005, 04:40 PM
I could understand Agassi being charismatic 10,15 years ago but now??? And they said Sampras was boring!!!

1sun
09-24-2005, 04:43 PM
Federer, Nadal & Hewitt don't know what charisma is? :confused:

Then how come Nadal has the 2nd most votes, Federer the 3rd most votes.

People in MTF seem to believe they are charismatic.
people vote for their favorites. the question doesnt matter

etiage
09-24-2005, 04:43 PM
goran

*Ljubica*
09-24-2005, 05:12 PM
From this list I would choose Marat. Otherwise, it would have to be Goran in my opinion.

Papakori
09-24-2005, 05:45 PM
federer

pinky
09-24-2005, 06:58 PM
No one has really been charismatic on the atp tour since John McEnroe i think :)

Rex
09-24-2005, 07:37 PM
nadal or federer----

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-25-2005, 05:06 PM
Rex I didn't want to do a Nadal or Fed poll because it would bring out the Ninja loving, Fed = Jesus Nadal bashers.

purple_star
09-25-2005, 05:17 PM
it's marat.. but i think too that carlos moya should be among the choices. :)

star
09-25-2005, 05:40 PM
You know I've often heard that in the locker room players were impressed by Sampras, he had an aura, we can call it "magnetism". Now maybe you know him better than the ATP pros, but I have my doubts.
When a guy throws up in a 5th set tie-break and goes on to play with courage and determination, he can arouse "fervent popular devotion". Ask Djokovic what he would have done in this case... :devil:

Wasn't the first time nor the last time Sampras threw up on the court. Some people think it was a ploy.

star
09-25-2005, 05:44 PM
As far as charisma goes I think there are several.

Nadal certainly. He's had charisma from the first time I saw him even before he was sucessful. Guga radiates charisma. Andre has that star power too. I think Lleyton also has it. He just seems to have a spotlight on him when he plays.

I think Federer has become more charismatic with his success. He now has a certain confidence and bearing that gives him an aura -- even on the practice courts. He didn't always have it though.

pmhong
09-28-2005, 03:55 AM
Totally agree.When I saw Federer,Nadal and Hewitt in the poll I thought you were making fun of them.

And Andy has more charisma than those three? I am an American, but I just don't see more charisma fuming out of Andy. And Andre doesn't have the charisma of his younger days.

Oh, and it is obvious by the result of the poll that Safin has the most charisma at this point. I would agree with that.

missbungle
09-28-2005, 04:29 AM
No one has really been charismatic on the atp tour since John McEnroe i think :)

:yeah:

Adman
09-28-2005, 06:00 PM
I think one of the most charasmatic players on the tour has to be the double A, just to see his face when he wins a match, especially the Blake match, watching him jumping round the court with a massive smile on his face.

Andre Agassi ALL THE WAY!!!

chicky841
09-28-2005, 10:50 PM
Im voting for Marat. I agree that Andy shoulda been on the list. I still would of voted for Marat, but andy should be there. You cant help but love marat, even when hes in a bad mood.

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 11:04 PM
Rex I didn't want to do a Nadal or Fed poll because it would bring out the Ninja loving, Fed = Jesus Nadal bashers.

Coming from someone with that username, this is rich in the extreme. No sir, I'm genuinely interested in a charisma contest featuring the top players, I'm not trying to provoke anyone at all!

PaulieM
09-29-2005, 12:22 AM
No one has really been charismatic on the atp tour since John McEnroe i think :)
i'm trying to imagine under what definition jackass mac would be charismatic. :scared:

i think james blake is another player who is very charismatic.

PaulieM
09-29-2005, 12:23 AM
Rex I didn't want to do a Nadal or Fed poll because it would bring out the Ninja loving, Fed = Jesus Nadal bashers.
as opposed to bringing out all those who see nadal as the second coming?

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-29-2005, 05:02 AM
No Nadal fan calls Nadal JC but a lot of Fed fans call Fed JC.
Not sure how people see Nadal as the second coming when only Fed fans make Jesus comparisons. :confused:

LCeh
09-29-2005, 05:23 AM
If I am not mistaken, the whole JC = fed comparison was started by a non-Fed fan, and it was used to make fun of all the articles praising Roger. So I am not sure where you got the idea of JC = Fed as a compliment for Fed.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-29-2005, 11:52 AM
My mistake if the above is true, but it seemed like Fed fans are proud of the parallel. So what do Fed fans call him. Ninja? Fed Express?

Sjengster
09-29-2005, 12:55 PM
Federer will do, I've heard he responds to it quite well.

jtipson
09-29-2005, 03:49 PM
My mistake if the above is true, but it seemed like Fed fans are proud of the parallel. So what do Fed fans call him. Ninja? Fed Express?

"Roger", generally.

And some Fed fans certainly don't like the Jesus comparison as it's disrepectful and even blasphemous.

TheMightyFed
09-29-2005, 03:53 PM
My mistake if the above is true, but it seemed like Fed fans are proud of the parallel. So what do Fed fans call him. Ninja? Fed Express?
just a plain... MASTER

Drimal
09-29-2005, 04:21 PM
Marat Safin :rocker:

tangerine_dream
09-29-2005, 06:24 PM
My mistake if the above is true, but it seemed like Fed fans are proud of the parallel. So what do Fed fans call him. Ninja? Fed Express?
The Fedtards call him ninja :rolleyes: The normal fans call him Roger, Rogi, Fed, etc.

btw, I'll vote for The Man as most charismatic :rocker2:

Sjengster
09-29-2005, 09:22 PM
Marat Safin :rocker:

Well, I only call him that on a particularly bad hair day.

NiciSunflower
09-29-2005, 09:40 PM
i voted for marat, can't beat him :lol: