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oooh, I like this answer from Wawrinka...

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 08:05 AM
In a Swiss newspaper today, I translate :

Q: Andy Murray, who's been presented as a "terror" ?
A: I don't know him. We bump into each other but we don't say "hi". Let's say that I don't appreciate his behavior. He shows off. If Roger could "kick his ass" on Friday...

Pump up the pressure Stan !! :devil:

Original verison:
Andy Murray, que l'on présente comme une «terreur»?
Je ne le connais pas. On se croise, on ne se dit pas bonjour. Disons que je n'apprécie pas particulièrement sa manière de se comporter. Comme on dit, il se la joue. Si Roger pouvait «lui en mettre une bonne» vendredi...

Galaxystorm
09-22-2005, 08:42 AM
I expect and hope Wawrinka kicks Andy's ass

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:46 AM
Wawrinka sucksm he's an idiot, hopefully he'll get killed by Andy, or he's injured again:haha: I heard something:ras:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:47 AM
btw another stupid thread:ras:

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 08:57 AM
btw another stupid thread:ras:
watch yourself, moron

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 09:04 AM
Yeah, I do and feel good:) troll:ras:

oneandonlyhsn
09-22-2005, 09:38 AM
I expect and hope Wawrinka kicks Andy's ass

Me too :D I love Stan :hearts:

Action Jackson
09-22-2005, 09:43 AM
Well Stani has made the comments, now just hope he can back it up. I mean Feds will wipe Murray, but it will interesting to see if it comes down to the 5th match.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 09:45 AM
This guy just says things and can't do anything, I can talk too, but I won't be no.1 in Tennis!

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 09:46 AM
Well Stani has made the comments, now just hope he can back it up. I mean Feds will wipe Murray, but it will interesting to see if it comes down to the 5th match.
I agree, and given they are both young, we're on for a good antagonism in the coming years if they are consistent top 20 or something... they should meet on clay a few times...

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 09:48 AM
This guy just says things and can't do anything, I can talk too, but I won't be no.1 in Tennis!
You're already number 1 in BS, that's a consolation !

Neely
09-22-2005, 10:47 AM
Yes, it will be interesting to see if Wawrinka can contribute himself something to the Swiss team or if he needs Federer at the end to do the dirty work and to deliver the ass kicking to Murray. Anyway, it's not such a brave comment if you have Federer in your team and to predict or to hope for such things. Federer can beat top 10 players in 70 minutes, so why shouldn't he be able to do the same things with Murray?


BTW, go Murray! :) :clap2:
;)

(even more after such comments...)

jtipson
09-22-2005, 11:06 AM
Well Stani, you'll have to give Murray the arse-kicking tomorrow, not Roger. GB have put Mackin in to face Federer.

Action Jackson
09-22-2005, 11:08 AM
Two Scotsmen in the GB side, now it's Scotland vs Switzerland and now Stani has to show up and do the business earlier.

propi
09-22-2005, 11:13 AM
Considering both were trained in the same tennis Academy in Barcelona I guess they know each other pretty well... Wawrinka must have forgotten about his pills :p

JonnyC21
09-22-2005, 11:19 AM
Well Stani has made the comments, now just hope he can back it up. I mean Feds will wipe Murray, but it will interesting to see if it comes down to the 5th match.

I doubt it, since Rusedski is being rested for the opening rubbers. And Allegro and Federer are a good proven doubles partnership.

Action Jackson
09-22-2005, 11:21 AM
I doubt it, since Rusedski is being rested for the opening rubbers. And Allegro and Federer are a good proven doubles partnership.

All it means is that Stani has to play Murray earlier. The Swiss should still win this tie though.

its.like.that
09-22-2005, 11:23 AM
is Allegro playing doubles with Roger?

Doris Loeffel
09-22-2005, 11:26 AM
yes he is

And now Stan back your words up!! You can do it!!
Allleezzzz Stan!!!

Galaxystorm
09-22-2005, 12:09 PM
Federer-Alan Mackin ( 1rst Rubber )
Wawrinka - Murray ( second )

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 12:27 PM
Stan "How I put the pressure on myself" Wawrinka...

Pea
09-22-2005, 01:21 PM
Let's go Stanislas!!!

Scotso
09-22-2005, 01:57 PM
Wawrinka sucksm he's an idiot, hopefully he'll get killed by Andy, or he's injured again:haha: I heard something:ras:

Surely hoping a player gets injured should be enough to get banned from a tennis board?

And Wawrinka is not an idiot, if you think that then you obviously don't know very much.

Scotso
09-22-2005, 01:59 PM
Stan "How I put the pressure on myself" Wawrinka...

No, he's crafty like that. He never said "if I kick his ass," he implied Federer will do it, which I don't doubt.

But I think that Wawrinka would beat him, too.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Surely hoping a player gets injured should be enough to get banned from a tennis board?

And Wawrinka is not an idiot, if you think that then you obviously don't know very much.
buddy, I don't hope he get's injured, I only thinks he's an idiot cause he acts like one. I know him about 5 years and he's was rude to everyone he played against,...

Scotso
09-22-2005, 02:02 PM
buddy, I don't hope he get's injured, I only thinks he's an idiot cause he acts like one. I know him about 5 years and he's was rude to everyone he played against,...

Well then next time don't say it.

And I'm sorry, I didn't know you and Wawrinka go way back. :rolleyes:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 02:04 PM
Well then next time don't say it.

And I'm sorry, I didn't know you and Wawrinka go way back. :rolleyes:

I know him well and I liked him alot but then he went over the top... :o

Sachu
09-22-2005, 02:05 PM
Wowwww,
Kind of shock about Stan's answer... :confused: :confused:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 02:07 PM
be happy, so we get to see Federer-Murray:woohoo:

gooner88
09-22-2005, 02:23 PM
Yes but that match should be the Opening rubber and not the 4th One

I agree with your sentiments Judio.
But Team GB/Team Scotland are using every trick in the book in order to get an unlikely win.
I feel for Mackin though; you wonder what a thrashing by Fed would do for his confidence and development as a player.

Puschkin
09-22-2005, 02:24 PM
be happy, so we get to see Federer-Murray:woohoo:

be warned, you might not enjoy what you will get to see :p

jtipson
09-22-2005, 02:30 PM
Does anyone think that Britain(or is it Scotland) 's tactics
are an abuse of the Substitutes rule.

The Davis Cup has been designed so the two Number One Players
go head to head in Rubber 4 leaving the two less experienced
players to fight out the 5th Rubber.

I think it is unfair that Rusedski who is clearly the Number one player
gets to play the 5th Rubber.

Nope, sounds fine to me. Didn't Mats Wilander do something similar against Australia last year? Nice to see captains with some brains (even if in this instance he's unlikely to produce a win). Italy could do with some of that nous.

gooner88
09-22-2005, 02:32 PM
be happy, so we get to see Federer-Murray:woohoo:

You might not get your dream match. The tie could be over by Saturday. :p

TheMightyFed
09-22-2005, 02:36 PM
I feel for Mackin though; you wonder what a thrashing by Fed would do for his confidence and development as a player.
Yep, not a pretty sight I guess... but every player is dreaming of playing Federer in a great competition. He has really nothing to lose, so maybe he'll play well a la Suzuki in AO ?

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 02:43 PM
:ras: my dream is to see Murray playing again, long time ago since his last full match!

revolution
09-22-2005, 03:01 PM
I'm quite confident Andy can beat Wawrinka, yes both have a liking for clay, but Andy relishes pressure and the big matches and I think we will see that in him, plus Stani has not won a singles match in DC yet so the pressure will be on him.

The doubles will be crucial, if GB win that, we have a great chance potentially. But needing another player to beat Wawrinka I can't see us winning.

ZakMcCrack
09-22-2005, 03:09 PM
This guy just says things and can't do anything, I can talk too, but I won't be no.1 in Tennis!

Hum....Wawrinka sure is gifted enough to say these "things" as he's higher ranked than Andy as well and his confidence got boosted over the last few months due to his success, so I'm more than excited about that teenage-clash between them ;-)

1sun
09-22-2005, 04:29 PM
I'm quite confident Andy can beat Wawrinka, yes both have a liking for clay, but Andy relishes pressure and the big matches and I think we will see that in him, plus Stani has not won a singles match in DC yet so the pressure will be on him.

The doubles will be crucial, if GB win that, we have a great chance potentially. But needing another player to beat Wawrinka I can't see us winning.
lol, murray hasnt even played a singles rubber! the pressure will be on murray much more than stan, because he knows he can rely on federer to get 2 wins and if murray loses then its tie over and he knows that. the gb team will be much more nervous than the swiss in the murray/stan rubber.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 04:36 PM
Who says Federer will win all his 2 singles? He can get injured:ras: He can have a bad day:p I think Murray is able to beat Wawrinka, but if he's ready to do so, I'm not sure.... But he'll fight, that's for sure and I think we'll see an Andy Murray we never saw before:worship: He'll give everything he has and that's a lot:rocker2:

lunahielo
09-22-2005, 04:49 PM
Go Stan! :)

Raquel
09-22-2005, 04:52 PM
I feel for Mackin though; you wonder what a thrashing by Fed would do for his confidence and development as a player.
I'm happy for Alan that he is playing Davis Cup again. He grew up in Glasgow like me so I always wish him well but to be honest he is about 23 now and I think he is about as developed as he is ever going to be. He plays mainly Challengers and I'm not sure if he will ever get into the top 100 so this is a career match for him. Something he can look back on and say he played Roger Federer because I am not sure if he will ever get the chance again in an ATP event. The first match against Roger is a write off for GB anyway. GB's only hope is winning the two Wawrinka matches and the doubles. Resting Greg for doubles and 3rd day singles makes sense so I'm glad Alan was given this chance. He has absolutely no pressure. He should just go out there and enjoy it and give it his best.

Even though I'm not sure if Alan will make the top 100, it would not surprise me if he did one day because he is a really hard worker. A lot of the British players ranked in the 200s and 300s rely every year on the Wimbledon wild cards and don't just have enough desire. Alan goes out to Challengers and Satellites all over the world every year while a lot of British players stay close to home and get wild cards at British events. Even in mid December last year he was playing Satellites in Indonesia. So if anything this is a reward for hard work and I hope Roger is not too hard on him ;)

Raquel
09-22-2005, 04:58 PM
Two Scotsmen in the GB side, now it's Scotland vs Switzerland.
:cool: Well done Andy and Alan. 2 Scottish players playing the first two singles for the 1st time ever I would imagine :)

If GB get beat 5-0 it'll be the Scottish Davis Cup team in the press though ;)

Raquel
09-22-2005, 05:05 PM
In a Swiss newspaper today, I translate :

Q: Andy Murray, who's been presented as a "terror" ?
A: I don't know him. We bump into each other but we don't say "hi". Let's say that I don't appreciate his behavior. He shows off. If Roger could "kick his ass" on Friday...


I'm sure Roger could easily kick Andy's ass in the same way he usually kicks 99% of the tour's ass. Andy will do well to get a set. The Roger singles matches are almost write offs before the start. Wawrinka v Murray on Day 1 is the big one. Andy will thrive on the situation I think. His rookie performance in DC doubles against Erlich/Ram (a very experienced team) was brilliant. Should be interesting :D

Raquel
09-22-2005, 05:09 PM
Does anyone think that Britain(or is it Scotland) 's tactics
are an abuse of the Substitutes rule.

The Davis Cup has been designed so the two Number One Players
go head to head in Rubber 4 leaving the two less experienced
players to fight out the 5th Rubber.

I think it is unfair that Rusedski who is clearly the Number one player
gets to play the 5th Rubber.
It's Britain ;)

And as long as it's within the rules you have to do anything you can that works to your advantage. It's a smart decision from Jeremy Bates.

Experimentee
09-22-2005, 05:32 PM
I like Stanislas now :yeah:

RonE
09-22-2005, 05:36 PM
His rookie performance in DC doubles against Erlich/Ram (a very experienced team) was brilliant.

Don't remind me of that awful match! :sobbing: :p

adee-gee
09-22-2005, 05:43 PM
Two Scotsmen in the GB side, now it's Scotland vs Switzerland and now Stani has to show up and do the business earlier.

:banana: C'mon Scotland.

By the way, if Murray had said what Wawrinka did this forum would be full of people talking about what an asshole he is :rolleyes:

rofe
09-22-2005, 05:50 PM
By the way, if Murray had said what Wawrinka did this forum would be full of people talking about what an asshole he is :rolleyes:

Whatever. The simple answer is that Murray is way up there in the hype 'o' meter and Stan is not so anything Murray says is naturally going to be held against him.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 05:51 PM
:banana: C'mon Scotland.

By the way, if Murray had said what Wawrinka did this forum would be full of people talking about what an asshole he is :rolleyes:
:haha: you're right, but Wawrinka is the true asshole:ras:

adee-gee
09-22-2005, 05:52 PM
Whatever. The simple answer is that Murray is way up there in the hype 'o' meter and Stan is not so anything Murray says is naturally going to be held against him.

Its not Andy's fault if he's hyped is it :shrug:

rofe
09-22-2005, 05:54 PM
Its not Andy's fault if he's hyped is it :shrug:

No it isn't but that's the way the cookie crumbles and his fans have to deal with it.

Chloe le Bopper
09-22-2005, 06:41 PM
Hopefully somebody passed this message along to Andy. It would make my life if he would make a SH motion at Wawrinka if he (Murray) managed to win the match :tape:

Chloe le Bopper
09-22-2005, 06:42 PM
I like Wawrinka, btw. He's hot headed.

NYCtennisfan
09-22-2005, 07:27 PM
By the way, if Murray had said what Wawrinka did this forum would be full of people talking about what an asshole he is

This is very true.

Papakori
09-22-2005, 07:31 PM
Stanislas :worship: I don't know who to support when he plays Andy!

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 07:52 PM
Im starting to like you Stanislav
so dont start being an arsehole

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 07:53 PM
Wawrinka turned into an idot, he was a nice guy but now he's imporving he's getting arrogant and doesn't talk to his old "mates"

I would love to see Andy ripping some breadsticks or bagels, no matter what, just win:worship:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 07:53 PM
Im starting to like you Stanislav
so dont start being an arsehole

It's Stanislas, mate:hug:

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 07:53 PM
:banana: C'mon Scotland.


we are better than England at tennis :banana:

gooner88
09-22-2005, 07:54 PM
Im starting to like you Stanislav
so dont start being an arsehole

:haha:

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 07:55 PM
It's Stanislas, mate:hug:
i have been thinking of Miroslav mecir too much ;)
goo Slovakia :rocker2:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:02 PM
Everyone is bashing Murray, What the hell is the problem when he's overhyped by many peoples? It's noz his fault as Adam said before! I can't get it why someone gets bashed cause of such senseless think as WC or things like that... Every single person who just knows a bit of Tennis should see that Murray is one of the biggest hopes of the futur Tennis.


What will happen if Federer, Agassi, Coria, Hewitt, Safin and all the other "older" stars gonna retire? Then we need such young guys who can go on and make lift Tennis to another level! It's sad to see that there are so many Murray bashers around here! We should build up together and support all the young players that will bring the game to it's best! I'm just sad that he always gets bashed because he got some WC or whatever...! Couldn't we just try to support them together and don't start wars like the Murray-Djokovic one??!! I don't see many Murray fans bashing other upcoming players! It was a problem with some Djokovic Fans, but it's ok now! SO STOP THE STUPID BASHING!!!!

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:03 PM
we are better than England at tennis :banana:

yay:D But..... What do you have? Murray is the only talent I know:worship:

Raquel
09-22-2005, 08:06 PM
yay:D But..... What do you have? Murray is the only talent I know:worship:
Jamie Baker is a young guy from Glasgow. He's 16 and apparently a good prospect. But Andy's more than enough for now ;)

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 08:06 PM
I don't see many Murray fans bashing other upcoming players! It was a problem with some Djokovic Fans, but it's ok now!i was also surprised by that, alot of djokovic fans bashing murray, it was basically jealousy as murray got alot more media attention around wimbledon/us open time .. but who cares :shrug:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:10 PM
i was also surprised by that, alot of djokovic fans bashing murray, it was basically jealousy as murray got alot more media attention around wimbledon/us open time .. but who cares :shrug:

Yeah, that's why I got upset:o :lol I mean, what would it bring Cincinnati if they would give Djokovic a WC? Nothing. They can't even spell his name and they love Murray, just because he's attitude, otherwise they wouldn't care... :eek:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:10 PM
How old are you?:o

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 08:18 PM
Me? 22

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:23 PM
:baby: nah, you arent:ras:

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 08:31 PM
:ras:

Scotso
09-22-2005, 08:32 PM
i was also surprised by that, alot of djokovic fans bashing murray, it was basically jealousy as murray got alot more media attention around wimbledon/us open time .. but who cares :shrug:

You people really need to buy a clue.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:34 PM
You people really need to buy a clue.
And you shouldn't bad rep everyone cause they're saying their opinions:retard:

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 08:37 PM
You people really need to buy a clue.
to listen to anything you say?
no amount of money in the world will fix that

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:39 PM
to understand anything you say?
there's not enough money in the world for that

:haha::devil:

Scotso
09-22-2005, 08:43 PM
It's nice that you two have each other to pat on the back, but it doesn't make what you're saying any less moronic. You have some kind of obsession with trashing Djokovic and his fans, perhaps because you realize that he's a better player than Murray?

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 08:48 PM
:lol: yeah, cause of this I made peace with Novi, right?:haha: I think that Murray's the better player, what you're thinking isn't my problem, just let us be and STFU!

Corey Feldman
09-22-2005, 08:53 PM
You have some kind of obsession with trashing Djokovic and his fans, perhaps because you realize that he's a better player than Murray?No one needs an excuse to trash you :retard:
djoko's a good player.. when he fits some tennis in between his medical time outs :tape:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-22-2005, 09:03 PM
:haha:

revolution
09-22-2005, 09:44 PM
I would agree, if Andy had said the same about Wawrinka there would have been eruptions.

No reason to hate him, he gets mad with himself for making mistakes, wouldn't you feel the same if you made one?

Stevens Point
09-22-2005, 11:48 PM
Everyone is bashing Murray, What the hell is the problem when he's overhyped by many peoples? It's noz his fault as Adam said before! I can't get it why someone gets bashed cause of such senseless think as WC or things like that... Every single person who just knows a bit of Tennis should see that Murray is one of the biggest hopes of the futur Tennis.


What will happen if Federer, Agassi, Coria, Hewitt, Safin and all the other "older" stars gonna retire? Then we need such young guys who can go on and make lift Tennis to another level! It's sad to see that there are so many Murray bashers around here! We should build up together and support all the young players that will bring the game to it's best! I'm just sad that he always gets bashed because he got some WC or whatever...! Couldn't we just try to support them together and don't start wars like the Murray-Djokovic one??!! I don't see many Murray fans bashing other upcoming players! It was a problem with some Djokovic Fans, but it's ok now! SO STOP THE STUPID BASHING!!!!
Yeah, Murray has certainly a hope to become much more a better player. I don't know much about him, but I feel he deserves strong supports like you are doing. I don't do any bashing against players for nonsence reasons.

But, I don't see any reason that you call Stan asshole or idiot and do some Stan bashing, either. If you are asking for no Andy bashing, you should also stop Stan bashing, please.

As a Swiss tennis fan, I am cheering for Stan tomorrow!! Go Stan!!!!

Art&Soul
09-23-2005, 02:03 AM
Bravo Stan, Alezz Go boy ;)

Scotso
09-23-2005, 03:36 AM
haha, don't even respond to KarolBeckFan, fag's like him probably get turned on by arguing with guys online.


oh and don't even start with the "homophobic" crap

I don't need to, your post speaks for itself.

Chloe le Bopper
09-23-2005, 03:39 AM
haha, don't even respond to KarolBeckFan, fag's like him probably get turned on by arguing with guys online.


oh and don't even start with the "homophobic" crap
You take the time to rub a few braincells together.... and this is the best you can come up with? A homophobic slur followed by a complete denial of homophobia?

Congrats. You win the Dumbass of the Week Prize. It was hotly contested as always.

Action Jackson
09-23-2005, 04:55 AM
Does anyone think that Britain(or is it Scotland) 's tactics
are an abuse of the Substitutes rule.

The Davis Cup has been designed so the two Number One Players
go head to head in Rubber 4 leaving the two less experienced
players to fight out the 5th Rubber.

I think it is unfair that Rusedski who is clearly the Number one player
gets to play the 5th Rubber.

No, not really and people are always going to try and get an advantage in any way they can, it's just where the line is drawn. I mean I don't think it's going to work to their advantage anyway in this case.

Wawrinka should be good enough to beat Rusedski on clay.

Action Jackson
09-23-2005, 04:59 AM
:cool: Well done Andy and Alan. 2 Scottish players playing the first two singles for the 1st time ever I would imagine :)

If GB get beat 5-0 it'll be the Scottish Davis Cup team in the press though ;)

Yes, since Scotland is such a powerhouse tennistically, it would more than likely be the first time this has happened. That goes without saying that if they get thrashed their Scottishness will be highlighted for sure.

Action Jackson
09-23-2005, 05:09 AM
:banana: C'mon Scotland.

By the way, if Murray had said what Wawrinka did this forum would be full of people talking about what an asshole he is :rolleyes:

Undoubtedly true, then again as Rofe said the fact he is overhyped and also he is from the UK, one of the old tennis powers has something to do with the hype he has recieved and also this helped him get extra WCs into events and if people can't see that his nationality wasn't of benefit to him getting off the ground in seniors, then leave the blinkers on.

I mean I look at it like this, if one of my countrymen is doing well in sports, sure that's good, doesn't mean I am under any obligation to like the guy just cause of their nationality.

Murray has that kind of personality, some people like and others don't, not many are indifferent, so that's not a bad thing.

Action Jackson
09-23-2005, 05:17 AM
haha, don't even respond to KarolBeckFan, fag's like him probably get turned on by arguing with guys online.


oh and don't even start with the "homophobic" crap

Does it actually matter what sex KBF decides to shag? Argue against his points if you can construct an argument.

Brilliant post man.

NYCtennisfan
09-23-2005, 05:18 AM
Murray has that kind of personality, some people like and others don't, not many are indifferent, so that's not a bad thing.

Exactly. IF he ever develops into a consistent top 20 player, this fact will make him some $$$$$$$$$$$.

Chloe le Bopper
09-23-2005, 05:19 AM
He doesn't even have to develop into a consistent top 20 player to make $$$.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 09:34 AM
Yeah, Murray has certainly a hope to become much more a better player. I don't know much about him, but I feel he deserves strong supports like you are doing. I don't do any bashing against players for nonsence reasons.

But, I don't see any reason that you call Stan asshole or idiot and do some Stan bashing, either. If you are asking for no Andy bashing, you should also stop Stan bashing, please.

As a Swiss tennis fan, I am cheering for Stan tomorrow!! Go Stan!!!!


You know, I know him since some years, he wasn't well known, at this time he was very friendly with his supporters or the ppl who were watching the match..... And now this totaly changed cause of his ranking position, he's now well known and thinks he has all rights...
Mates of me were watching his match against Verdasco at Gstaad, they knew him since he was a small guy, they wanted some autographs and they wanted to talk to him.... Then he said I have no time for you, more important things are waiting.... I think it's stupid to act like this, wthout fans you can go home and :lick: your mothers arse :wavey:

The Pro
09-23-2005, 11:31 AM
I'm Scottish, but I find myself supporting Wawrinka.

Does this make me a bad person? :sad:

Jogy
09-23-2005, 11:48 AM
this Wawrinka guy is one of the most overrated players at current produced by Swiss because they seek other player than Federer because all other suck pathetic

and this comment from his is not surprise for me
I have know before already he is an asshole and arrogant idiot

Domino
09-23-2005, 11:51 AM
this Wawrinka guy is one of the most overrated players at current produced by Swiss because they seek other player than Federer because all other suck pathetic

and this comment from his is not surprise for me
I have know before already he is an asshole and arrogant idiot

If anything, the guy is very underrated as a player. He wins pretty often, and has solidly moved up the rankings without the hype of other young players. On clay, I actually think Wawrinka should be favored, considering his record on clay.

Jogy
09-23-2005, 11:53 AM
believe me Domino
I have seen this Wawrinka guy already and he has nothing special impressive, there are player at #200 who have more ability game than Wawrinka
a small high from him, watch him go down rankings soon and remember my words in two year

Domino
09-23-2005, 11:57 AM
believe me Domino
I have seen this Wawrinka guy already and he has nothing special impressive
a small high from him, watch him go down rankings soon and remember my words in two year

I have watched him too, live. Although he double faults quite often, I saw a lot of potential, especially in his backhand. Besides, a high would be a more reasonable explanation for somebody making one or two outstanding results. He's produced consistant results all year, and pushed some of the best players closely when he's played them.

Besides, shots are not what matter, it's how you play the game. Little things in how you approach a point matter more than specific arsenal weapons. He plays smart.

revolution
09-23-2005, 12:04 PM
this Wawrinka guy is one of the most overrated players at current produced by Swiss because they seek other player than Federer because all other suck pathetic

and this comment from his is not surprise for me
I have know before already he is an asshole and arrogant idiot


You ever watched him play?

oneandonlyhsn
09-23-2005, 12:46 PM
You ever watched him play?

You expect to change Jogys mind, I think Stan is a very underrated player

pinky
09-23-2005, 03:14 PM
this Wawrinka guy is one of the most overrated players at current produced by Swiss because they seek other player than Federer because all other suck pathetic

and this comment from his is not surprise for me
I have know before already he is an asshole and arrogant idiot

Wawrinka def. Murray 6-3 7-6 6-4 ... :)

1sun
09-23-2005, 03:15 PM
and stan backs up his words! hands murray straight sets beat down!

Galaxystorm
09-23-2005, 03:18 PM
Wawrinka :worship: :worship:

Roger & Stan = Swiss power :rocker2:

1sun
09-23-2005, 03:18 PM
the swiss are through!

R.Federer
09-23-2005, 03:19 PM
Hopp Schwiz!

tangerine_dream
09-23-2005, 03:20 PM
Andy Murray's going to be a star. He's already hooked half of MTF into hating him without having to do much but act like a big-talking teenager. Well done, Andy! :hatoff:

R.Federer
09-23-2005, 03:21 PM
Yes it is puzzle that andi murray has people hating him already. Usually, it is the case that some success brings jealousy or hate. Perhaps it is that he is making big talk without the big result? I don't know. It is pity, he has good game at such young age.

Raquel
09-23-2005, 03:26 PM
Andy was very subdued today. Had his chances in the tiebreak and probably should have won the second set. Roger said Andy should have won the second set. He let it slip away though. He did OK for his first Davis Cup singles match.

mandoura
09-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Great win Stan. :bounce:

Go Helvetica. :bigclap:

1sun
09-23-2005, 03:34 PM
Yes it is puzzle that andi murray has people hating him already. Usually, it is the case that some success brings jealousy or hate. Perhaps it is that he is making big talk without the big result? I don't know. It is pity, he has good game at such young age.
his attituide is a problem for people.
i dont like it.

Rex
09-23-2005, 03:38 PM
lol

Pea
09-23-2005, 03:42 PM
this Wawrinka guy is one of the most overrated players at current produced by Swiss because they seek other player than Federer because all other suck pathetic

and this comment from his is not surprise for me
I have know before already he is an asshole and arrogant idiot

believe me Domino
I have seen this Wawrinka guy already and he has nothing special impressive, there are player at #200 who have more ability game than Wawrinka
a small high from him, watch him go down rankings soon and remember my words in two year

Overrated. Nothing special. Nothing impressive. Arrogant idiot. Asshole. Are we mixing up Stanislas and murray here? :confused:

uNIVERSE mAN
09-23-2005, 03:45 PM
believe me Domino
I have seen this Wawrinka guy already and he has nothing special impressive, there are player at #200 who have more ability game than Wawrinka
a small high from him, watch him go down rankings soon and remember my words in two year

Sounds like Wawrinka insulted your husband.

mandoura
09-23-2005, 03:46 PM
I don't have any problem with Murray. He is young and fiesty, so what? Let him be. He's got game too. If he is overhyped, it is not his fault. I don't think he asked for or worked on it. So why blame him.

I also like Stan a lot and think he is underrated. I see nothing in his comment if we want to encourage tennis players to be open, speak their mind and get away from diplomatically manufactured answers. Had Andy said the same, probably he would have been sliced. I would have backed him up too though.

Chloe le Bopper
09-23-2005, 03:47 PM
Andy Murray's going to be a star. He's already hooked half of MTF into hating him without having to do much but act like a big-talking teenager. Well done, Andy! :hatoff:
You'd think that nobody around here acted like an asshat at that age, the way they carry on.

Anyways, I think that "Warwrinka is overrated" wins the :retard: prize of the day. Seriously, who the fuck talks about Wawrinka? It's hard to be overrated when only like, 5 people care.

uNIVERSE mAN
09-23-2005, 03:48 PM
his attituide is a problem for people.
i dont like it.

Me neither, the guy is an embarassment, skinny little shit shows no respect.

1sun
09-23-2005, 03:49 PM
Me neither, the guy is an embarassment, skinny little shit shows no respect.
sumed it up nicely

Corey Feldman
09-23-2005, 04:09 PM
congrats wawa, you were too advanced for Andy on clay..
now Sui 2-0 Scotland ;)

Raquel
09-23-2005, 04:12 PM
Me neither, the guy is an embarassment, skinny little shit shows no respect.
People say that a lot about Andy, that he shows no respect, but I've honestly never seen any quotes from him being disrespectful to any other players (apart from saying he didn't like Stepanek's attempt at gamesmanship). He had a lot of good things to say about Nalbandian before and after their Wimbledon match. He spends a lot of time with his fans, so he respects their support. He admitted that he got caught up in the excitement of Wimbledon and has been noticeably more subdued on court since. He doesn't abuse linesmen or umpires, so he doesn't disrespect them. So all in all I've yet to see one real example of him being disrespectful to anyone, especially another player. And even one or two incidents (if anyone can find any) do not really define someone.

He also gets called arrogant a lot but I've never seen him come out and say he's better than a certain player or he's going to win Slams or he's going to be number 1 etc. I really don't think he is as bad as he is painted sometimes. I remember someone started a thread during the US Open of his commentary during a Nadal match and asking "Who is Andy Murray to insult Nadal's game?" After about 5 pages of abuse the thread starter still couldn't come up with a quote of what Andy was supposed to have said when criticising Nadal. Turns out he didn't say anything bad at all, but mud sticks.

Examples of any of his disrespectful and arrogant comments are welcome :)

PaulieM
09-23-2005, 04:12 PM
You'd think that nobody around here acted like an asshat at that age, the way they carry on.

sure sometimes the murray hate is a bit overboard as it is with a lot of players, but in my opinion being young isn't an excuse for being/acting like an ass. i am his age and i don't think being young can necessarily be equated with being stupid or obnoxious or a whole lot of other things, or make it somehow more acceptable. if people didn't use that excuse for half the things people our age do we might just be a little less likely to do them( yes i'm a bit idealistic sometimes) :shrug: some people like him, some people don't, that's the way it is with everything and in the end he couldn't care less about people on this board.

Corey Feldman
09-23-2005, 04:15 PM
agreed Raquel
would you English stop insulting my davis cup team, thankyou :angel:

gooner88
09-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Well played Stan. Some of his tennis was a joy to watch, especially that single-handed BH. He got some great angles off that wing.
Murray played good in patches but couldn't string it together often enough. The 2nd set TB basically decided the match.

vincayou
09-23-2005, 04:19 PM
You'd think that nobody around here acted like an asshat at that age, the way they carry on.

Anyways, I think that "Warwrinka is overrated" wins the :retard: prize of the day. Seriously, who the fuck talks about Wawrinka? It's hard to be overrated when only like, 5 people care.

Alan Mackin is overrated.

Corey Feldman
09-23-2005, 04:23 PM
Alan Mackin is overrated.
:fiery: :fiery:
he will always be the greatest player to ever come from Paisley at least :rocker2:

mandoura
09-23-2005, 04:28 PM
sure sometimes the murray hate is a bit overboard as it is with a lot of players, but in my opinion being young isn't an excuse for being/acting like an ass. i am his age and i don't think being young can necessarily be equated with being stupid or obnoxious or a whole lot of other things, or make it somehow more acceptable. if people didn't use that excuse for half the things people our age do we might just be a little less likely to do them( yes i'm a bit idealistic sometimes) :shrug: some people like him, some people don't, that's the way it is with everything and in the end he couldn't care less about people on this board.

Of course being young is not an excuse for anything except lack of experience in some matters/situations.

I think when people use the expression "he/she is still young" they mean he/she has a lot to learn. I do. Some learn the hard way and some do the easy way. At the end, they still learn. Hopefully.

1sun
09-23-2005, 04:40 PM
People say that a lot about Andy, that he shows no respect, but I've honestly never seen any quotes from him being disrespectful to any other players (apart from saying he didn't like Stepanek's attempt at gamesmanship). He had a lot of good things to say about Nalbandian before and after their Wimbledon match. He spends a lot of time with his fans, so he respects their support. He admitted that he got caught up in the excitement of Wimbledon and has been noticeably more subdued on court since. He doesn't abuse linesmen or umpires, so he doesn't disrespect them. So all in all I've yet to see one real example of him being disrespectful to anyone, especially another player. And even one or two incidents (if anyone can find any) do not really define someone.

He also gets called arrogant a lot but I've never seen him come out and say he's better than a certain player or he's going to win Slams or he's going to be number 1 etc. I really don't think he is as bad as he is painted sometimes. I remember someone started a thread during the US Open of his commentary during a Nadal match and asking "Who is Andy Murray to insult Nadal's game?" After about 5 pages of abuse the thread starter still couldn't come up with a quote of what Andy was supposed to have said when criticising Nadal. Turns out he didn't say anything bad at all, but mud sticks.

Examples of any of his disrespectful and arrogant comments are welcome :)
telling a top 20 player he is stupid when that cetain player did nothing wrong during their particular match is bang out of order especialy since murray was ranked about 400 at the time and no one had herd of him. i think that qualifies as being being disrespectful. oh and theres also the treating of ballboys/girls like shit as well.

Raquel
09-23-2005, 04:46 PM
telling a top 20 player he is stupid when that cetain player did nothing wrong during their particular match is bang out of order especialy since murray was ranked about 400 at the time and no one had herd of him. i think that qualifies as being being disrespectful. oh and theres also the treating of ballboys/girls like shit as well.
He treated the ball kids fine today.

Maybe Stepanek hadn't heard of him before that match but he did after the defeat. Stepanek was being extra weird that day, talking to Murray over the net etc. but it didn't work if he was trying to phase him. Calling Stepanek stupid? So does half the board here.

oneandonlyhsn
09-23-2005, 04:50 PM
He treated the ball kids fine today.

Maybe Stepanek hadn't heard of him before that match but he did after the defeat. Stepanek was being extra weird that day, talking to Murray over the net etc. but it didn't work if he was trying to phase him. Calling Stepanek stupid? So does half the board here.

So as long as he treats them fine once in a while its alright then I guess, I've nothing against him but his behaviour and some of the things he says just puzzles me

1sun
09-23-2005, 04:53 PM
He treated the ball kids fine today.

Maybe Stepanek hadn't heard of him before that match but he did after the defeat. Stepanek was being extra weird that day, talking to Murray over the net etc. but it didn't work if he was trying to phase him. Calling Stepanek stupid? So does half the board here.
lol, stepanek didnt do anything werid. he cracked a joke in the match when he wa sbaout to get beaten. he was matchpoint down or bp down(for a double break) and murray hit a shot which cliped the net and fell onto murrays side. stepanek was at the net and stroked it. murray did the exact same thing a few shots later which was funny but went out of his way to do it.
if you cant see that calling someone, who was ranked about 380 places above you, stupid is disrepectful then your indenial.

1sun
09-23-2005, 04:55 PM
So as long as he treats them fine once in a while its alright then I guess
lol. some people seem to think so.

Raquel
09-23-2005, 04:59 PM
lol, stepanek didnt do anything werid. he cracked a joke in the match when he wa sbaout to get beaten. he was matchpoint down or bp down(for a double break) and murray hit a shot which cliped the net and fell onto murrays side. stepanek was at the net and stroked it. murray did the exact same thing a few shots later which was funny but went out of his way to do it.
if you cant see that calling someone, who was ranked about 380 places above you, stupid is disrepectful then your indenial.
Well I call Stepanek stupid quite often and I don't even have a ranking ;) I don't think you need to be ranked above him to be able to say that.

Apart from that he's never said anything overly disrespectful or overly arrogant that I've seen but that's my view on it. If people think he's arrogant or disrespectful I don't care and I am sure he doesn't either, but it would be good to see all of the disrespectful and arrogant things he's said that they're basing that on.

Raquel
09-23-2005, 05:00 PM
So as long as he treats them fine once in a while its alright then I guess, I've nothing against him but his behaviour and some of the things he says just puzzles me
He treats them fine as far as I can see. I haven't seen any of them in tears at least :p

1sun
09-23-2005, 05:03 PM
Well I call Stepanek stupid quite often and I don't even have a ranking ;) I don't think you need to be ranked above him to be able to say that.

Apart from that he's never said anything overly disrespectful or overly arrogant that I've seen but that's my view on it. If people think he's arrogant or disrespectful I don't care and I am sure he doesn't either, but it would be good to see all of the disrespectful and arrogant things he's said that they're basing that on.
lol, honey your indenial. murray was damn right disrespectful, you say hes never been disrespectful but you seem to be turning a blind eye to a situation exactly where murray was disrespecful. i know your scottish(i think), british, so you dont want to admit it but its right there in your face. accept it or not its your choice :)

Raquel
09-23-2005, 05:10 PM
lol, honey your indenial. murray was damn right disrespectful, you say hes never been disrespectful but you seem to be turning a blind eye to a situation exactly where murray was disrespecful. i know your scottish(i think), british, so you dont want to admit it but its right there in your face. accept it or not its your choice :)
I don't deny Andy called Radek's behaviour stupid. Is that it though? Is that all the disrespecting opponents so far? If that's it, compared to Coria and Lleyton's roll call of crime, he's a saint :angel:

And all this arrogance he is supposed to have - I've never seen him come out and announce how great he is or announce what he is going to achieve. People like John McEnroe coming out and saying he'll be top 50 by the end of the year is not Andy's fault. And John clearly needs to get a reality check.

mandoura
09-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Examples of any of his disrespectful and arrogant comments are welcome :)

Maybe Stepanek hadn't heard of him before that match but he did after the defeat. Stepanek was being extra weird that day, talking to Murray over the net etc. but it didn't work if he was trying to phase him. Calling Stepanek stupid? So does half the board here.

You ask for examples of disrespectful and arrogant comments then you condone them. :scratch:

He treated the ball kids fine today.

Is this exclusive to Fridays or will it extend to the other week days? :D

Raquel, I think you are trying to ease the bashing of Murray and that's understandable. I actually have nothing against him and sort of like him. But I think you should work more on your defense strategy. Chloe is doing a good job. ;)

mandoura
09-23-2005, 05:17 PM
Well I call Stepanek stupid quite often and I don't even have a ranking ;) I don't think you need to be ranked above him to be able to say that.


I don't deny Andy called Radek's behaviour stupid. Is that it though? Is that all the disrespecting opponents so far? If that's it, compared to Coria and Lleyton's roll call of crime, he's a saint :angel:

And all this arrogance he is supposed to have - I've never seen him come out and announce how great he is or announce what he is going to achieve. People like John McEnroe coming out and saying he'll be top 50 by the end of the year is not Andy's fault. And John clearly needs to get a reality check.

That's more like it. :D

PaulieM
09-23-2005, 05:23 PM
Of course being young is not an excuse for anything except lack of experience in some matters/situations.

I think when people use the expression "he/she is still young" they mean he/she has a lot to learn. I do. Some learn the hard way and some do the easy way. At the end, they still learn. Hopefully.
of course, but it does get used to excuse some things that it shouldn't. most kids know how to act pretty decently/ know the difference between right and wrong by the time they are 10(that's being generous). there are some things you don't need experience with in order to know better. there could be a million reasons why he says the things he does or acts a certain way, perhaps he doesn't know any better (in that case shame on his parents) or perhaps it is by accident (in which case it's hopefully something he's working on) i personally don't like his attitude but he doesn't strike me as an awful person either. :shrug:

Raquel
09-23-2005, 05:23 PM
You ask for examples of disrespectful and arrogant comments then you condone them. :scratch:
Well I don't necessarily condone it, but I do agree with that one sometimes, if that makes sense ;) but does one comment really mean he is disrespectful in general to other players on the tour? I don't think so.


Raquel, I think you are trying to ease the bashing of Murray and that's understandable. I actually have nothing against him and sort of like him. But I think you should work more on your defense strategy. Chloe is doing a good job. ;)
My "speak first, think later" strategy works fine for me :)

Chloe? She's good, but sadly I think we've lost her to the Serbian Dark Side :p

I'll need to ask her for some tips on cutting remarks.

1sun
09-23-2005, 05:25 PM
I don't deny Andy called Radek's behaviour stupid. Is that it though? Is that all the disrespecting opponents so far? If that's it, compared to Coria and Lleyton's roll call of crime, he's a saint :angel:

And all this arrogance he is supposed to have - I've never seen him come out and announce how great he is or announce what he is going to achieve. People like John McEnroe coming out and saying he'll be top 50 by the end of the year is not Andy's fault. And John clearly needs to get a reality check.
in a previous post you said that you have never seen him being disrespecful.
he called stepanek himself stupid as well as his actions even though there werent any on that particular day. and thats rich cuming from murray who jumps around screaming c'mon. throwing towels at the ballboys, sulks when he is losing, mops about when hes losing and hitting balls away when hes losing.

mandoura
09-23-2005, 05:30 PM
Raquel and PaulieM :hug:.

oneandonlyhsn
09-23-2005, 05:33 PM
I smell a fight http://www.sosnovska-symposium.com/smilies/fight.gif

Raquel
09-23-2005, 05:35 PM
in a previous post you said that you have never seen him being disrespecful.
he called stepanek himself stupid as well as his actions even though there werent any on that particular day. and thats rich cuming from murray who jumps around screaming c'mon. throwing towels at the ballboys, sulks when he is losing, mops about when hes losing and hitting balls away when hes losing.
I actually mentioned the Stepanek quote in my first post about it. Other than that he's never said anything disrespectful about other players as far as I am aware. Moping and sulking when he's losing is nothing new among players. When Marat Safin does it, it's adorable and "his character". Screaming come on is nothing new either and he has definitely toned that down since Wimbledon.

I think he's someone who you either like or hate. But if you asked me if I thought he was disrespectful in general to other players or arrogantly going on about how great he was, I would disagree.

Action Jackson
09-23-2005, 05:38 PM
:fiery: :fiery:
he will always be the greatest player to ever come from Paisley at least :rocker2:

Congrats to Paisley's finest player.

Well Stani made the comments and didn't need Roger to back it up.

mandoura
09-23-2005, 05:40 PM
I think he's someone who you either like or hate. But if you asked me if I thought he was disrespectful in general to other players or arrogantly going on about how great he was, I would disagree.

I agree with you Raquel.

1sun
09-23-2005, 05:41 PM
I actually mentioned the Stepanek quote in my first post about it. Other than that he's never said anything disrespectful about other players as far as I am aware. Moping and sulking when he's losing is nothing new among players. When Marat Safin does it, it's adorable and "his character". Screaming come on is nothing new either and he has definitely toned that down since Wimbledon.

I think he's someone who you either like or hate. But if you asked me if I thought he was disrespectful in general to other players or arrogantly going on about how great he was, I would disagree.
so would i, but that particular situatuion we were talking about was too disrespectful for me to forget especialy since stepanek did nothing wrong in their match to provoke such a response from murray. hence the reason why i do not like him.

alfonsojose
09-23-2005, 05:43 PM
I smell a fight http://www.sosnovska-symposium.com/smilies/fight.gif
:cool: is there a sex .gif file too :angel: ?

1sun
09-23-2005, 05:49 PM
I smell a fight http://www.sosnovska-symposium.com/smilies/fight.gif
lol, no fight just discussion :)

revolution
09-23-2005, 05:58 PM
The haters are quite frankly clueless the way they come up with these claims 'oh he slagged Nalbandian off called him arrogant' and 'oh, Wawrinka is shit, easy win for me'!

The Stepanek incident was caused by Stepanek's gamesmanship- most people who are claiming it was Andy's fault didn't see it or have half a brain, and the first Andy match that went around the world was the Nalbandian match, so few of you probably seen it.

oneandonlyhsn
09-23-2005, 06:14 PM
:cool: is there a sex .gif file too :angel: ?

Yep, which one do you prefer, hetero, non-hetero, sorry I find the other term offensive :lol:

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:22 PM
The haters are quite frankly clueless the way they come up with these claims 'oh he slagged Nalbandian off called him arrogant' and 'oh, Wawrinka is shit, easy win for me'!

The Stepanek incident was caused by Stepanek's gamesmanship- most people who are claiming it was Andy's fault didn't see it or have half a brain, and the first Andy match that went around the world was the Nalbandian match, so few of you probably seen it.
lol. your the one with half the brain. there was no gamesmanship from stepanek in that match

revolution
09-23-2005, 06:25 PM
Yes there was, if you didn't see him trying to put him off.

'He was trying to put me off and make me nervous but it didn't work and he ended up looking a bit stupid'

This is because he has proved him wrong and he isn't exactly slagging Stepanek off. And quit the arrogance while you're at it.

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:32 PM
Yes there was, if you didn't see him trying to put him off.

'He was trying to put me off and make me nervous but it didn't work and he ended up looking a bit stupid'

This is because he has proved him wrong and he isn't exactly slagging Stepanek off. And quit the arrogance while you're at it.
just because murray said that it doesnt mean its true. stepanek didnt absolutely nothing wrong in that match, if anything you could say muray was by jumping around and acting like a twat. and quit the ignorance while your at it.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 06:33 PM
He can say whatever he wants,

Scotso
09-23-2005, 06:35 PM
Stepanek is known for his poor attitude on court, but so is Murray.

revolution
09-23-2005, 06:35 PM
just because murray said that it doesnt mean its true. stepanek didnt absolutely nothing wrong in that match, if anything you could say muray was by jumping around and acting like a twat. and quit the ignorance while your at it.

Jumping around and acting like a twat.. how was he acting like a twat? He cares about his performances and gets annoyed with himself when he makes errors, who doesn't?

Can I ask one question? Who are you a fan of, and go on, surprise me with your answer.

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:38 PM
He can say whatever he wants,
ok course he can and so can everybody else. but it doesnt neseceraily mean its true ;)

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:41 PM
Jumping around and acting like a twat.. how was he acting like a twat? He cares about his performances and gets annoyed with himself when he makes errors, who doesn't?

Can I ask one question? Who are you a fan of, and go on, surprise me with your answer.
federer.tell me what stepanek did wrong in that match to justify andys comments after?

revolution
09-23-2005, 06:43 PM
federer.tell me what stepanek did wrong in that match to justify andys comments after?

Kissing of the net, exaggerated gestures, what else?

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 06:48 PM
Stepanek is known for his poor attitude on court, but so is Murray.

:haha:

1sun
09-23-2005, 06:50 PM
Kissing of the net, exaggerated gestures, what else?
read my preivous post.he made a joke and stroked the net when he was about to get beaten. exaggerated gestures? what you on mate, he never did, a few smal fist pumps thats all. and what exactly does murray do? :haha: small gestures no doubt?

revolution
09-23-2005, 06:53 PM
read my preivous post.he made a joke and stroked the net when he was about to get beaten. exaggerated gestures? what you on mate, he never did, a few smal fist pumps thats all. and what exactly does murray do? :haha: small gestures no doubt?

No, but he doesn't aim gestures at the opposition, and he doesn't disrespect them.

Grinder
09-23-2005, 07:00 PM
I don't need to, your post speaks for itself.


::Salutes::

I'm glad you didn't get fired up about it.

No more slurs from me, props for not throwing a hissy fit.

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:03 PM
This guy just says things and can't do anything, I can talk too, but I won't be no.1 in Tennis!

You said? :rolleyes:

:nerner: Sorry but hey open your eyes man. I like you but you're blinded by Murray.. Stan is better than your boy atm just admit it :yeah:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:11 PM
Oh and btw. I agree with you Federer_Express, that Stan is a bit rude (and too big-headed.. dunno if it is the right word but he is behaving like if he was the best player on earth, when meeting fans... I don't like it and he better change this.. But I will always like him coz of the way he plays and so on...) but Murray is kind of a jerk too when he plays.. With the fans it doesn't seem so, but when he plays and he makes an error he just act like an idiot, sorry to say this...

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:12 PM
:lol: I support my boy even if he would be no.1000 of the world.
I just hate Wawrinka, he went over the top! He thinks he's able to do what he wants. he even said he could beat Federer:haha: This guy is just :retard:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:16 PM
Oh and btw. I agree with you Federer_Express, that Stan is a bit rude (and too big-headed.. dunno if it is the right word but he is behaving like if he was the best player on earth, when meeting fans... I don't like it and he better change this.. But I will always like him coz of the way he plays and so on...) but Murray is kind of a jerk too when he plays.. With the fans it doesn't seem so, but when he plays and he makes an error he just act like an idiot, sorry to say this...

Hey man,

It is totaly normal that he get's angry when he misses a lot. I expect you know what Federer used to do:rolleyes: Hell, Murray is just at the start. I love it that he plays witht the crowd, it makes it more interesting to watch:ras:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:18 PM
:lol: I support my boy even if he would be no.1000 of the world.
I just hate Wawrinka, he went over the top! He thinks he's able to do what he wants. he even said he could beat Federer:haha: This guy is just :retard:

Me too :yeah:
He went over the top, I agree. Did he say he coulb beat Federer :scratch: ? Where did you read/see/dream :p this? And no he isn't... He is a very, very good player (and an excellent claycourt player) even if he thinks he can achieve more than he can really do...

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:22 PM
Hey man,

It is totaly normal that he get's angry when he misses a lot. I expect you know what Federer used to do:rolleyes: Hell, Murray is just at the start. I love it that he plays witht the crowd, it makes it more interesting to watch:ras:

I am a woman thanks :yeah:

I agree with the first sentence. Yes I know what Roger used to do, I will never blame a player when he's throwing his racket out (what Andy didn't do..). He never played with the crowd today... Okay most of the crowd was against him, but even... When he lost I don't-remember-which-game he shooted the ball toward the ballboy on Stan's side really really hard, fortunately he didn't hurt him but nearly... And when some balls were near him, he just waited fot the ballboy to come and then shooting the ball the other way.. Okay these are details but don't say he is a nice player when being on court...

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:27 PM
Me too :yeah:
He went over the top, I agree. Did he say he coulb beat Federer :scratch: ? Where did you read/see/dream :p this? And no he isn't... He is a very, very good player (and an excellent claycourt player) even if he thinks he can achieve more than he can really do...
May you know Tele Bärn?
They showed something....

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 08:29 PM
Like him or hate him, the fact that a thread like this has generated 12 pages when the guy involved isn't even in the top 100 shows that he's making a big impact.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:30 PM
I am a woman thanks :yeah:

I agree with the first sentence. Yes I know what Roger used to do, I will never blame a player when he's throwing his racket out (what Andy didn't do..). He never played with the crowd today... Okay most of the crowd was against him, but even... When he lost I don't-remember-which-game he shooted the ball toward the ballboy on Stan's side really really hard, fortunately he didn't hurt him but nearly... And when some balls were near him, he just waited fot the ballboy to come and then shooting the ball the other way.. Okay these are details but don't say he is a nice player when being on court...

Okey woman:yeah:

Were you booing too?:fiery: I actualy saw that he didn't hit Wawrinka, he just hit a FH DTL after he missed the 1st serve, Wawrinka was on the other side. I saw that he used to hit the ball directly, may a bit hard to the ballboys. But he doesn't want to hit them.

You're wrong, he smashed a Racket after losing the 2nd Tie-Breaker.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:31 PM
Like him or hate him, the fact that a thread like this has generated 12 pages when the guy involved isn't even in the top 100 shows that he's making a big impact.
Adam, don't say that, you know, he's the most overhyped player on tour:haha::retard:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:32 PM
May you know Tele Bärn?
They showed something....

I do know it but don't get it in the part of Switzerland where I live. I am sure it is a translation mistake ;)

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:33 PM
I am a woman thanks :yeah:

I agree with the first sentence. Yes I know what Roger used to do, I will never blame a player when he's throwing his racket out (what Andy didn't do..). He never played with the crowd today... Okay most of the crowd was against him, but even... When he lost I don't-remember-which-game he shooted the ball toward the ballboy on Stan's side really really hard, fortunately he didn't hurt him but nearly... And when some balls were near him, he just waited fot the ballboy to come and then shooting the ball the other way.. Okay these are details but don't say he is a nice player when being on court...
True Nathy, and I saw that in another tournament against Safin, he really behaves like a jerk with ball boys...
To say the truth I was not impressed after all the hype. He serves pretty big, but is game has to be more elaborated (cf Roger). I don't know why Stan did not get more dropshots after gazilions of them... pretty solid Swiss team, we can dream of great things for next year. If France can put something together as well with Gasquet and Monfils, I will be more than happy...

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:34 PM
Like him or hate him, the fact that a thread like this has generated 12 pages when the guy involved isn't even in the top 100 shows that he's making a big impact.

Over-rating power :rolleyes: Usually I just let you talk and shut up but not today, coz reading that today Andy played wel juste makes me laugh coz I didn't see him play so poorly 'til this afternoon... But believe what you want, I can say what I want it won't change your mind, so relax :)

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:36 PM
I don't see Wawrinka as a Swiss saying he can beat Federer, other Swiss players are slapped repeatedly by the press because the gap is so huge with the number 1, so that would really surprise me, Federer_Express, stop your dreams...

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Okey woman:yeah:

Were you booing too?:fiery: I actualy saw that he didn't hit Wawrinka, he just hit a FH DTL after he missed the 1st serve, Wawrinka was on the other side. I saw that he used to hit the ball directly, may a bit hard to the ballboys. But he doesn't want to hit them.

You're wrong, he smashed a Racket after losing the 2nd Tie-Breaker.

Thanks :)

No I didn't boo ;) I am FOR a player hardly ever AGAINST one (okay 2 or 3 but won't name them :p )

I hope that he doesn't want to hurt them otherwise he would just be a fucking jerk... Maybe you do like this kind of players, but I don't...

Didn't see it, I was busy with jumping around with friends to congratulate Stan's second set win ;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:37 PM
I do know it but don't get it in the part of Switzerland where I live. I am sure it is a translation mistake ;)

Je sais parler français;)
And they translated it;) "I'm sure I can beat Roger, he may be better than me, but I'll be able to beat him!"

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:38 PM
I don't see Wawrinka as a Swiss saying he can beat Federer, other Swiss players are slapped repeatedly by the press because the gap is so huge with the number 1, so that would really surprise me, Federer_Express, stop your dreams...

Hey hey Mathieu :p Viens sur MSN ;)

Ditto :yeah:

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:38 PM
Je sais parler français;)
And they translated it;) "I'm sure I can beat Roger, he may be better than me, but I'll be able to beat him!"
:confused:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:39 PM
Je sais parler français;)
And they translated it;) "I'm sure I can beat Roger, he may be better than me, but I'll be able to beat him!"

Nice to know :p

I'LL... he maybe think that when Roger will be older and MAYBE coming to play less good he will have more than a chance.. I have to admit it surprises me ;) Happy :p ?

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Hey hey Mathieu :p Viens sur MSN ;)

Ditto :yeah:
I come if you have the webcam !
Stan rocks !!

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Over-rating power :rolleyes: Usually I just let you talk and shut up but not today, coz reading that today Andy played wel juste makes me laugh coz I didn't see him play so poorly 'til this afternoon... But believe what you want, I can say what I want it won't change your mind, so relax :)

I'm not talking about how highly he's rated, that is open for debate. I'm talking about the amount of people that have an opinion on him. How many other players outside the top 100 are generating this sort of interest. I personally like his attitude, others don't. Fine. A lot of people enjoy Federer tearing tennis apart, personally I find it painful.

I don't think Andy played well today, but I don't think he played that badly. He really shouldn't have got beaten in straight sets. He'll be better from this experience though.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:41 PM
Thanks :)

No I didn't boo ;) I am FOR a player hardly ever AGAINST one (okay 2 or 3 but won't name them :p )

I hope that he doesn't want to hurt them otherwise he would just be a fucking jerk... Maybe you do like this kind of players, but I don't...

Didn't see it, I was busy with jumping around with friends to congratulate Stan's second set win ;)

Did you see Murray-Stepanek?

He even hits the balls to the ballboys, better for them, they must not run:p
I got to meet him, and he's very nice :) He knows the fans are important, not like Stanislas "I'll beat Federer and can act like I want to, I'm god" Wawrinka,

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:43 PM
I come if you have the webcam !
Stan rocks !!

:rolls:

Oh yes he does :rocker2:

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:44 PM
I'm not talking about how highly he's rated, that is open for debate. I'm talking about the amount of people that have an opinion on him. How many other players outside the top 100 are generating this sort of interest. I personally like his attitude, others don't. Fine. A lot of people enjoy Federer tearing tennis apart, personally I find it painful.

I don't think Andy played well today, but I don't think he played that badly. He really shouldn't have got beaten in straight sets. He'll be better from this experience though.

Okay that's fine by me :)

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:44 PM
Did you see Murray-Stepanek?

He even hits the balls to the ballboys, better for them, they must not run:p
I got to meet him, and he's very nice :) He knows the fans are important, not like Stanislas "I'll beat Federer and can act like I want to, I'm god" Wawrinka,
There should do more smileys for BS

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:46 PM
:lol:

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 08:46 PM
There should do more smileys for BS

You can use :bs: if you want.

Last point on the matter. Tennis would be boring if all the players acted in the same way. Its good having a variety in characters. As you can see from my players in my sig, I like the charismatic ones. Others dont. Thats why we're on this forum ;)

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:46 PM
A lot of people enjoy Federer tearing tennis apart, personally I find it painful.
Have you ever seen him play live. He inspires a lot of respect, at least to me...

Nathy
09-23-2005, 08:48 PM
Did you see Murray-Stepanek?

He even hits the balls to the ballboys, better for them, they must not run:p
I got to meet him, and he's very nice :) He knows the fans are important, not like Stanislas "I'll beat Federer and can act like I want to, I'm god" Wawrinka,

No I didn't

Haha it would have been nice if he hitted the balls towards them, not the other way :nerner:

Read what I wrote "WHEN HE IS PLAYING"! And I said he seems to be nice when being with fans. On this point I really don't like Stan's behavior, as I said ;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:49 PM
:lol: Man, Federer is a :devil:, I would love to change my name:bigcry:

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 08:49 PM
Have you ever seen him play live. He inspires a lot of respect, at least to me...

Yeah several times. I'm not saying he wasn't impressive, but the matches were so one-sided that I didn't enjoy it. I'm more of an epic 5 set guy :)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:51 PM
No I didn't

Haha it would have been nice if he hitted the balls towards them, not the other way :nerner:

Read what I wrote "WHEN HE IS PLAYING"! And I said he seems to be nice when being with fans. On this point I really don't like Stan's behavior, as I said ;)


I don't like he's playing style, to me it looks like a bullterrier who's on drugs:eek::scared::help:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:51 PM
:lol: There're ballboys in corners;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Yeah several times. I'm not saying he wasn't impressive, but the matches were so one-sided that I didn't enjoy it. I'm more of an epic 5 set guy :)

me too:hug:

1sun
09-23-2005, 08:54 PM
Yeah several times. I'm not saying he wasn't impressive, but the matches were so one-sided that I didn't enjoy it. I'm more of an epic 5 set guy :)
damn you must have been bored during nadals claycourt run.

TheMightyFed
09-23-2005, 08:57 PM
:lol: Man, Federer is a :devil:, I would love to change my name:bigcry:
please do ASAP ;)

adee-gee
09-23-2005, 08:59 PM
damn you must have been bored during nadals claycourt run.

I've never been to a Nadal match on clay :sad: I've seen him on hard and grass.

As for enjoying it, I enjoyed his wins over Coria in the TMS Finals. And the French Open Final. They were all great matches. I didn't particularly enjoy some of the thrashings he dished out though, no. ;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-23-2005, 09:02 PM
please do ASAP ;)


Have no paypal, otherwise it would happen ASAP

1sun
09-23-2005, 09:19 PM
I've never been to a Nadal match on clay :sad: I've seen him on hard and grass.

As for enjoying it, I enjoyed his wins over Coria in the TMS Finals. And the French Open Final. They were all great matches. I didn't particularly enjoy some of the thrashings he dished out though, no. ;)
do you prefer a straight set beatdown delivered by nadal playing great tennis or a tight match win for nadalplaying poorly?

Nathy
09-23-2005, 09:59 PM
:lol: There're ballboys in corners;)

Aaaaaaaaannnd? I don't get the point :shrug:

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2005, 02:39 AM
::Salutes::

I'm glad you didn't get fired up about it.

No more slurs from me, props for not throwing a hissy fit.

No more slurs? But... but... I thought that they weren't really slurs! From the great mind of Grinder:

I ignore all your generalizations and stereotypes you put together and you decide to get worked up over a word used so often it's hard to even consider "fag" a slure.

Thanks for the grey rep, btw. It gave me warm fuzzies.

Anyways, ignoring that this comment makes no sense whatsoever, let us focus on the end. It's hard to considering f-- a slur, you say, because it's used so often. Let's pretend that this is reasonable for a moment (it's not), and further assume that most times they word is used, it is not done in order to directly attack a man who is openly homosexual. Let's say that it's most popular usage involves being used as an insult that some heterosexual men like to toss back and forth at one another when the braintrust can't come up with anything intelligent. The moral of the story is that those people who use it towards one another in order to insult or tease are acting out of stupity. He who uses this term to insult an openly gay man is acting not only out of stupidity, but also out of homophobia.

And frankly, it's really not use to you to decide that "it's commonly used, therefore it's inoffensive". The word quite clearly bothers certain individuals, and thus, using it the manner that you did is completely inexcusable.

But, never fear. This is MTF, and they love the homophobes on MTF. Gay bash all you will... just stear clear of racist commentary and you'll be dandy.

I'm sure the moderators would disagree, but the fact that you're still posting says it all.

Billabong
09-24-2005, 04:12 AM
:)

oneandonlyhsn
09-24-2005, 07:09 AM
Have no paypal, otherwise it would happen ASAP

I'm almost tempted to pay for your name change, teens are for Roddick and Murray. Would Murray mount do

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-24-2005, 07:15 AM
I hate Roddick:ras:

I was a Federer troll, but that was stupid:lol:

:cool: You can:ras:

oneandonlyhsn
09-24-2005, 07:58 AM
I hate Roddick:ras:



:eek: No way, well atleast we both like Guille that has to count for something :lol:

Adman
09-24-2005, 10:35 AM
In a Swiss newspaper today, I translate :

Q: Andy Murray, who's been presented as a "terror" ?
A: I don't know him. We bump into each other but we don't say "hi". Let's say that I don't appreciate his behavior. He shows off. If Roger could "kick his ass" on Friday...

I really hope so I can't stand Murray even, though i'm English I hate the little brat!

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-24-2005, 10:37 AM
:lol:http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/boese/a025.gif
http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/boese/e073.gif

Nathy
09-24-2005, 07:33 PM
I was a Federer troll, but that was stupid:lol:



Why was that stupid :unsure: ?

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-24-2005, 07:38 PM
I just supported him cause he was/is the best:lol:

1sun
09-24-2005, 07:39 PM
your swiss arent you, so maybe that was a reason too. why the change?

adee-gee
09-24-2005, 07:40 PM
I really hope so I can't stand Murray even, though i'm English I hate the little brat!

What do you mean "even though I'm English".

The reason you hate him is because you're English and he's Scottish :nerner:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-24-2005, 07:41 PM
Yeah, here's a big hype, they all know him and support him, even my grandma:eek:
I just find it boring that he wins 95% of his matches.
Then I saw Andy's match against Dent in Queens and then I became a Murray fan:)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-24-2005, 07:42 PM
What do you mean "even though I'm English".

The reason you hate him is because you're English and he's Scottish :nerner:


:nerner::haha::worship:

Jogy
09-24-2005, 11:13 PM
Overrated. Nothing special. Nothing impressive. Arrogant idiot. Asshole. Are we mixing up Stanislas and murray here? :confused:
No, I'm not mixing. For me Wawrinka is the bigger asshole and I dislike him. Murray at least is open and is not fake like Wawrinka.
Also Wawrinka is overhyped by Swiss media. They think he is no2 Federer. Few years ago they had same with Allegro, and Allegro never was a good player since then. Same will happen with Wawrinka, I expect.

Chloe le Bopper
09-25-2005, 12:34 AM
haha, I love how you're getting so fired up about this. I don't feel the need to prove my intelligence on a tennis discussion forum, so you can jump to your conclusions...
That would be relevant if the discussion had anything to do with your intelligence. It didn't.

R.Federer
09-25-2005, 02:19 AM
After the pair shook hands at the net, Murray tapped the Swiss on his shoulder and whispered something into his earWas he asking for a lift to Asia in a privately chartered jet? “No,” smiled Federer. “He just said he wanted to tell me it was a great honour for him just to be on the same court as me at such an early stage of his career. I get embarrassed when people say things like that, but Murray is a very impressive guy.”

how can people say andi is arrogant? :confused:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1796256,00.html

Chloe le Bopper
09-25-2005, 03:31 AM
Chloe? She's good, but sadly I think we've lost her to the Serbian Dark Side :p


Only for the most part :hearts:

Scotso
09-25-2005, 04:03 AM
Serbian Dark Side

I like it.

Nathy
09-25-2005, 09:03 PM
No, I'm not mixing. For me Wawrinka is the bigger asshole and I dislike him. Murray at least is open and is not fake like Wawrinka.
Also Wawrinka is overhyped by Swiss media. They think he is no2 Federer. Few years ago they had same with Allegro, and Allegro never was a good player since then. Same will happen with Wawrinka, I expect.

1. Swiss Media never said Wawrinka is gonna be a second Federer, never.

2. Swiss Media never said such things about Allegro. Here we all know he is a good doubles player and not really good in simples.

Raquel
09-25-2005, 10:10 PM
After the pair shook hands at the net, Murray tapped the Swiss on his shoulder and whispered something into his earWas he asking for a lift to Asia in a privately chartered jet? “No,” smiled Federer. “He just said he wanted to tell me it was a great honour for him just to be on the same court as me at such an early stage of his career. I get embarrassed when people say things like that, but Murray is a very impressive guy.”

how can people say andi is arrogant? :confused:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1796256,00.html
I told y'all he wasn't ALL bad ;)

Thanks for the quote and the article :) Nice words from Roger. He is genuinely that modest I think. I've read him say a few times now that he does get embarrassed when people praise him. Nice words from Andy too. Just a shame he couldn't have won on Friday and got to play singles v Roger today.

pinky
09-25-2005, 10:36 PM
Also Wawrinka is overhyped by Swiss media. They think he is no2 Federer. Few years ago they had same with Allegro, and Allegro never was a good player since then. Same will happen with Wawrinka, I expect.

Lol, wonder which media you see, read or hear to tell that. They are just hoping that Wawrinka could eventually maybe be able to also win a Davis cup match here and there atm! :p if that's overhype... :)

And, as far as media are concerned, Allegro was basically a nobody two years ago and is just "the guy who plays double with Federer in Davis cup" now...

adee-gee
09-26-2005, 07:11 AM
After the pair shook hands at the net, Murray tapped the Swiss on his shoulder and whispered something into his earWas he asking for a lift to Asia in a privately chartered jet? “No,” smiled Federer. “He just said he wanted to tell me it was a great honour for him just to be on the same court as me at such an early stage of his career. I get embarrassed when people say things like that, but Murray is a very impressive guy.”

how can people say andi is arrogant? :confused:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1796256,00.html

:D

TheMightyFed
09-26-2005, 07:28 AM
We have a happy ending: Paprika and Murray shake hands, Murray respects Federer (he's clever to avoid ass-kicking in their first match)... Murray showed good stuff in this DC tie, I still don't like his way to throw the balls everywhere and to make run ball boys for the fun, but he's not that bad after all...

Horatio Caine
09-26-2005, 12:21 PM
No, I'm not mixing. For me Wawrinka is the bigger asshole and I dislike him. Murray at least is open and is not fake like Wawrinka.
Also Wawrinka is overhyped by Swiss media. They think he is no2 Federer. Few years ago they had same with Allegro, and Allegro never was a good player since then. Same will happen with Wawrinka, I expect.

Wawrinka can be top 20 i think. His powerful game will serve him well on hard courts and clay courts and that makes up 75% of the year.

TheMightyFed
09-26-2005, 12:41 PM
Wawrinka can be top 20 i think. His powerful game will serve him well on hard courts and clay courts and that makes up 75% of the year.
I agree, he can attack very powerfully from the baseline, with security, and has a beautiful backhand. Maybe his service could be improved slightly to perform better on hard. He's really talented, when you think he picked up his first racquet at 8 and started to play more than once a week only at 12, just 8 years ago, that's pretty amazing. Good he's there, just in time to help Fed to win this damn Davis Cup... unfortunately he seems pretty bad at the net, which prevents him from playing doubles with Roger.

ZakMcCrack
09-28-2005, 12:54 PM
:lol: I support my boy even if he would be no.1000 of the world.
I just hate Wawrinka, he went over the top! He thinks he's able to do what he wants. he even said he could beat Federer:haha: This guy is just :retard:

First of all you should just learn some French and then you may get the point of what Wawrinka talks about, okay? ;-) Vive le "Röschtigraben"...

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-28-2005, 01:56 PM
:haha:

I know to speak french:retard:
Wawrinka is a jerk, was one and will ever be one:smash:

It's "Röstigrabe":retard::smash:

TheMightyFed
09-28-2005, 02:11 PM
:haha:

I know to speak french:retard:
Wawrinka is a jerk, was one and will ever be one:smash:

It's "Röstigrabe":retard::smash:
Thanks partly to you Federer_Express my "boring" thread has more than 5,200 hits, that mustn't be that boring...

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-28-2005, 02:15 PM
You know, it's not cause of Wawrinka, it's cause of Murray:ras:

ZakMcCrack
09-28-2005, 02:39 PM
:haha:

I know to speak french:retard:
Wawrinka is a jerk, was one and will ever be one:smash:

It's "Röstigrabe":retard::smash:

Yeah, right, as if knowing how to speak French and listening to somebody speaking French was totally the same, hum? Attention please ;-)
Unfortunately for you, there is no existing grammar to what we use to call "Schwiizerdütsch", so...I was just trying to make sure, you wouldn't be able to misunderstand that one, too...:-P
There's the jerk and there's the foolish one, jerking off while bashing the-so-called jerk...have fun, dawg...!

Nathy
09-28-2005, 03:03 PM
You know, it's not cause of Wawrinka, it's cause of Murray:ras:

But it is written Wawrinka in the title, not Murry :nerner: So people who open the thread do it coz of Stan not coz of Andy :p