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Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

prima donna
09-20-2005, 07:19 PM
We've watched Marat Safin, triumph, in 5 sets over Roger Federer at the Australian Open and later give him a struggle, on his weakest and Roger's best surface. Grass. He took it to 3 sets, in Halle. Last year, Marat said, I hate the Grass and cannot play on it... funny ... he can give one of the best players of all-time on Grass a difficult time. We watched as Roger mangled Roddick in Wimbledon, the trophy ceremony, we watched as Roger won the U.S Open. One can't help but wonder, why Marat Safin isn't the one hoisting the winner's trophy or perhaps atleast the runner-up.

I mean, Marat has 50x the talent of Roddick and has proven he can beat Agassi (Australian Open Results from 2004). The guy has proven he can defeat anyone on his best day, but no, he loses to players like: Robredo, Lopez, Kiefer. Such wasted talent, Marat will show up 1 or 2 months, play great tennis and go home enjoying his earnings. His #1 is women it seems, which is the same for most Men.

I really do pity Marat, seriously, I am the #1 Federer fan, but the Australian Open is in the back of my head. It has been all year. It's eaten away at me. I couldn't even cheer against Marat in the final, he deserved that title. He took out Roger. After he took Fedex to 3 on Grass, honestly, I became somewhat intimidated by him.

He has all the physical attributes.
Height.
Muscle.
Speed.
He has the game / variety.
Finesse & Power

He's proven that he can exhibit absolute genius at times, but with him there is no in-between. It's the good and the bad. Either he stinks or he's playing out of his body tennis. I look at players like Roddick that have dedicated their lives to this sport and given their bodies, thinking Safin would only have to give 40% of that with the talent he has to be in the spots they are now. Would we even know who Nadal is if it weren't for the absence of Safin? Nobody will ever know.

I think this speaks volumes for the difference between a potential champ and a champion:

Roger Federer played Marat Safin in Rome, shortly after saw the match televised and noticed commentators joking around about who could throw their racquet better.

Federer decided from that point on to stop his on-court antics.
Marat, well, last time I checked his racquets are lucky to see the bag again once he plays a single bad point. Next stop: Garbage Can.

Federer matured.
Marat didn't.

Federer has the mental edge.
Marat doesn't.

Sadly, Marat possesses the one trait that can take Fedex out: Genius mixed with pure power and the sad part, only real tennis heads even know WHO Safin is. Tragic.

R.Federer
09-20-2005, 07:20 PM
I had not noticed that marat has finesse? .. Maybe a little bit here and there, sometime. But in general, marat + finesse does not seem to go together

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 07:24 PM
Two things that rarely seem to occur to followers of the Safin soap opera:

1. His game does have weaknesses, just like Federer's - you mention Robredo and Lopez, their games are better suited to the surfaces on which Safin lost to them this year. I give credit to Robredo for hanging tough in the fifth set at RG, he does have a remarkable five-set record. Safin has all the strength and power to succeed on clay, but his flat groundstrokes are liable to break down when put under pressure by a good retriever.

2. Every odd year of Safin's has been affected by injuries, it was the same in 01 and 03 and to a lesser extent it's happened this year as well. Ergo, he does not have the perfect physique for tennis, considering that he hates the low ball on grass and that every one of his three injuries has been in a different body part (back, wrist and knee respectively).

MariaV
09-20-2005, 07:28 PM
:wavey: I still love him like he is. :) Sigh.
Sorry, couldn't resist coming to this thread of course. :o

ExpectedWinner
09-20-2005, 07:35 PM
What's the news? zzzzzzzzzzzzz......

He'll win at least one more slam to separate himself from Kafelnikov.

In most cases serious injures before the age of 25 are the direct result of neglecting the proper training regime.

At least nobody can say that he's overplaying. Probably he'll have plenty of left in his tank in late 20-s.

BlackSilver
09-20-2005, 07:39 PM
He has all the physical attributes.
Roger Federer played Marat Safin in Rome, shortly after saw the match televised and noticed commentators joking around about who could throw their racquet better.

Federer decided from that point on to stop his on-court antics.
Marat, well, last time I checked his racquets are lucky to see the bag again once he plays a single bad point. Next stop: Garbage Can.


And Marat Safin watched the replay and said: "BAM! I won, I threw my racquet stronger!"

-SaFiinsBabY-
09-20-2005, 07:44 PM
:wavey: I still love him like he is. :) Sigh.
Sorry, couldn't resist coming to this thread of course. :o

Me too. :yeah: :) :hug:

Galaxystorm
09-20-2005, 07:45 PM
A part of the talent is the mentality , mental strength and we all know how Safin's mind is , so players with less winner shots as for example Nadal or Hewitt in my opinion are more talented than Safin, because the word talent isn't a synonym of technique . Technique is just a part of the talent.

prima donna
09-20-2005, 07:47 PM
I had not noticed that marat has finesse? .. Maybe a little bit here and there, sometime. But in general, marat + finesse does not seem to go together


Marat has finesse, but doesn't use it often ... sometimes relies on power game too much...

He has a decent slice, a good drop shot, which can be used and mix it up, also an improving net game and deadly placement. He is not only power.

Do you honestly think only power would beat Roger the way it did in Australia ?

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 07:51 PM
He's always saying things like, "Me, I have no touch, no finesse, nothing", when of course he does. The huge wingspan up at net undoubtedly helps, but when he needs to have good hands he usually displays them. At other times he has complete shockers (see: the majority of his volleys against Robredo in the aforesaid RG match), but then who doesn't now and then?

Galaxystorm
09-20-2005, 07:51 PM
Do you honestly think only power would beat Roger the way it did in Australia ?

Roger was injured during that match. Feet and arm problems

alfonsojose
09-20-2005, 07:53 PM
l. Ergo, he does not have the perfect physique for tennis, considering that he hates the low ball on grass and that every one of his three injuries has been in a different body part (back, wrist and knee respectively).
maybe a cock injury would make him more focused for a while :tape:

prima donna
09-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Roger was injured during that match. Feet and arm problems

Roger had shoulder problems, I believe, but come on ... get real.

Roger had match point and lost in the 5th set 7-9.

That's not an injured score, it's the score of a beaten man.

I love Roger and he is the best to ever touch a racquet, his game is beautiful and I love how he uses his brain on court. Strategically he is Martina Hingis, Defensively, Bjorn Borg and Offensively a mixture of Laver, Sampras & Lendl.

But, HE LOST... please do not play the injury card. =/

tangerine_dream
09-20-2005, 07:55 PM
Do you honestly think only power would beat Roger the way it did in Australia ?
Holy crap. :spit: :haha:

joeb_uk
09-20-2005, 07:58 PM
maybe a cock injury would make him more focused for a while :tape:
Maybe you should meet with marat and do that! And that will hopefully sort him out.

Saumon
09-20-2005, 07:58 PM
My contribution to this thread:

:yawn:

MariaV
09-20-2005, 07:58 PM
maybe a cock injury would make him more focused for a while :tape:
:lol: Alfonso you know I cannot rep you right now. :hug:

MariaV
09-20-2005, 08:00 PM
My contribution to this thread:

:yawn:Dean, now come on. :lol: ANYTHING related to Marat could ever make me :yawn:
And Myskinalova and Sjengster have had very good points here. :wavey:

prima donna
09-20-2005, 08:00 PM
Holy crap. :spit: :haha:
I'm confused by this post.

What's amusing, a slight typo ? I don't think that I've had the displeasure of typing to such an antagnostic and dull character since I've come on this board.

Don't get what's funny, anyone that watches Safin at his best knows that he is 75 - 80 % power tennis, but he is more than that. If he weren't, then we'd be talking Andy Roddick with a little less kilometers on the serve and more consistent groundstrokes.

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 08:06 PM
I don't think that I've had the displeasure of typing to such an antagnostic and dull character since I've come on this board.

B-B-B-Baby, you just ain't seen nothin' yet!

mer
09-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Dean, now come on. :lol: ANYTHING related to Marat could ever make me :yawn:


Myskinalova is so deadly serious and dramatic that :yawn: seems quite appropriate :p

prima donna
09-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Myskinalova is so deadly serious and dramatic that :yawn: seems quite appropriate :p

Dramatic ? :angel:

MariaV
09-20-2005, 08:16 PM
Irochka, dramatic is :yawn: to you? ;)
Marat is ALL DRAMA. :)

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:16 PM
Marat rules :rocker2:

he seems to win when no one expects him too :p

he drives me nuts, just like Momo, ok maybe not as much :lol:

MariaV
09-20-2005, 08:20 PM
he drives me nuts, just like Momo, ok maybe not as much :lol:

Me too. :lol:

tangerine_dream
09-20-2005, 08:21 PM
What's amusing, a slight typo ? I don't think that I've had the displeasure of typing to such an antagnostic and dull character since I've come on this board.
You haven't met yourself yet then?

If you seriously think Marat beat Roger by sheer power alone then you're smoking a big fat 'tard cigar.

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 08:23 PM
You haven't met yourself yet then?

If you seriously think Marat beat Roger by sheer power alone then you're smoking a big fat 'tard cigar.

Oh I know you are, but what am I?

Good job on completely misunderstanding myskinalova's point, which despite the mistake in that last sentence was obvious from actually reading the rest of the post:

Marat has finesse, but doesn't use it often ... sometimes relies on power game too much...

He has a decent slice, a good drop shot, which can be used and mix it up, also an improving net game and deadly placement. He is not only power

A pair of reading glasses for the clementine nightmare, please.

R.Federer
09-20-2005, 08:23 PM
If you seriously think Marat beat Roger by sheer power alone then you're smoking a big fat 'tard cigar.

Actually,myskinalover was doing a response to my post, because I have said that marat+finesse does not usually go in my mind together. Then s/he has asked me, how else can marat beat Roge, since not by power alone must be some finess also

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 08:24 PM
You haven't met yourself yet then?

If you seriously think Marat beat Roger by sheer power alone then you're smoking a big fat 'tard cigar.

:scratch: Isnt that what he just said, quit the brownies :lol:

alfonsojose
09-20-2005, 08:24 PM
Maybe you should meet with marat and do that! And that will hopefully sort him out.
Whan do u want. Stepping on a testicle, foreskin damage :toothy:

mer
09-20-2005, 08:24 PM
Irochka, dramatic is :yawn: to you? ;)
:scratch: I think I used the wrong english word :o

Marat is ALL DRAMA. :)
:worship:


As for the waste of talent...well, in some respects we all are sad waste of smth, aren't we ? :shrug: :p

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:25 PM
Whan do u want. Stepping on a testicle, foreskin damage :toothy:

omg :lol::scared:

alfonsojose
09-20-2005, 08:26 PM
:scratch: Isnt that what he just said, quit the brownies :lol:
:lol:

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:27 PM
Me too. :lol:

r u a Momo fan too ?? :wavey:

tangerine_dream
09-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Actually,myskinalover was doing a response to my post, because I have said that marat+finesse does not usually go in my mind together. Then s/he has asked me, how else can marat beat Roge, since not by power alone must be some finess also
Did I misread myskinalover's post? If so I apologize and I take back that big fat 'tard cigar and will smoke it myself. :smoke:

MariaV
09-20-2005, 08:29 PM
:scratch: I think I used the wrong english word :o


:worship:


As for the waste of talent...well, in some respects we all are sad waste of smth, aren't we ? :shrug: :p
Sure, at least some of us here. :o

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 08:29 PM
r u a Momo fan too ?? :wavey:

Not me :p nice to see you away from the WTA forum sweetie :smooch:

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:30 PM
Not me :p nice to see you away from the WTA forum sweetie :smooch:

But there so much more drama on that forum :wavey::lol:

I like your favs on your avatar, by the way (but lena had no business beating Momo this weekend :mad: ) :angel:

alfonsojose
09-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Did I misread myskinalover's post? If so I apologize and I take back that big fat 'tard cigar and will smoke it myself. :smoke:
:drink:

its.like.that
09-20-2005, 08:31 PM
well done nastylover

MariaV
09-20-2005, 08:32 PM
r u a Momo fan too ?? :wavey:
:wavey: Well, I like Momo A LOT and wish the oafette would finally get a GS title and play up to her potential. :o :hug:

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:33 PM
:wavey: Well, I like Momo A LOT and wish the oafette would finally get a GS title and play up to her potential. :o :hug:

ditto :worship::hug:

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 08:33 PM
But there so much more drama on that forum :wavey::lol:

I like your favs on your avatar, by the way (but lena had no business beating Momo this weekend :mad: ) :angel:

Ditto, you have to love the constant wars and baiting between fanbases. Its so mindblowing :lol:

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 08:34 PM
:wavey: Well, I like Momo A LOT and wish the oafette would finally get a GS title and play up to her potential. :o :hug:

The irony is, both her and her male counterpart must be distracted by the same thing... the attraction of the fair sex.

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:34 PM
Ditto, you have to love the constant wars and baiting between fanbases. Its so mindblowing :lol:

especially the masha/william fans :haha: , but I've joined in when it came to Momo :fiery:

MariaV
09-20-2005, 08:35 PM
The irony is, both her and her male counterpart must be distracted by the same thing... the fair sex.
Sjengster Sjengster, what words are you using. :eek: ;) I thought you were all about serious analysis of FH & BH. :o

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:35 PM
The irony is, both her and her male counterpart must be distracted by the same thing... the fair sex.

yeah, I'm starting to wish Elena Dementieva, especially would become ugly :haha:

I just don't get why this girl has momo's number as of late :o

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 08:36 PM
especially the masha/william fans :haha: , but I've joined in when it came to Momo :fiery:

I know what you mean, I try and avoid them like the plague but I have to say my JuJu is also not partial to the low blows :sad: especially over her appearance. BTW I like Momo too

yeah, I'm starting to wish Elena Dementieva, especially would become ugly :haha:

I just don't get why this girl has momo's number as of late :o

Can you blame the woman, seriously ElenaD makes me have dirty girl thoughts and I'm straight I swear :p

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:38 PM
I know what you mean, I try and avoid them like the plague but I have to say my JuJu is also not partial to the low blows :sad: especially over her appearance. BTW I like Momo too

Momo's game is irresistible (except the "loopy fh") :angel:

Your JuJu has stirred up a lot of stuff on that board (the "hand") ;) :p

But now it seems that Kim might take over ... :devil:

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:39 PM
so do you think the moderators will close this thread down, since we're discussing wta players now ?? :lol:

allez Marat :devil:

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 08:44 PM
yeah, I'm starting to wish Elena Dementieva, especially would become ugly :haha:

I just don't get why this girl has momo's number as of late :o

It's because Dementieva, for all her serving woes, is fearless off the ground - not something you'll ever be able to say about Mauresmo, sadly. She lays into all of Amelie's high, short-bouncing topspin shots with her much flatter groundies and punches huge holes in the Mauresmo defences. That and I don't think Mauresmo has the right attitude to returning the shaky Dementieva serve on the deuce court, her forehand return seems a bit nervy and she doesn't go after it as you need to against Elena.

Maybe all of Elena's final set TB victims at the US Open have been too distracted by her lengthy gams to concentrate on the match in the last few minutes.

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 08:45 PM
so do you think the moderators will close this thread down, since we're discussing wta players now ?? :lol:

allez Marat :devil:

:lol: Possibly, anyway back to Marat. He is gifted, I do believe his net game is very effective but lacks the confidence to come to net. His BH is a thing of beauty (only 2 BH that I consider amazing) and his strokes are so fluid but still generate tremendous power with ease. However his biggest obstacle will always be his brain and his laziness. There are times in matches when he doesnt seem to want to move his legs :rolleyes: but that is what makes him special (unpredictable)

Who would have thought when I 1st started to really follow tennis Roger would leave Marat with the sole title of talented headcase :lol:

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Sjengster Sjengster, what words are you using. :eek: ;) I thought you were all about serious analysis of FH & BH. :o

I made up for it with my analysis of the Amelie-Elena match-up. ;)

Sjengster
09-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Who would have thought when I 1st started to really follow tennis Roger would leave Marat with the sole title of talented headcase :lol:

Ahem - there are still plenty of those around, if you care to look outside the Top 5. ;) My joy at the development of Federer into someone who can combine style with consistency is only matched by my irritation at the continuing mental handicaps of all my other favourite players.

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 08:50 PM
Ahem - there are still plenty of those around, if you care to look outside the Top 5. ;) My joy at the development of Federer into someone who can combine style with consistency is only matched by my irritation at the continuing mental handicaps of all my other favourite players.

Unfortunately I dont get to see much of my other favs progression thanks to what I have for tennis coverage. I may add Verdasco, and Chucho there, and to some extent Gaudio. But Gaudio has something over me, even if he plays like shit I'd never admit it :devil:

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:51 PM
It's because Dementieva, for all her serving woes, is fearless off the ground - not something you'll ever be able to say about Mauresmo, sadly. She lays into all of Amelie's high, short-bouncing topspin shots with her much flatter groundies and punches huge holes in the Mauresmo defences. That and I don't think Mauresmo has the right attitude to returning the shaky Dementieva serve on the deuce court, her forehand return seems a bit nervy and she doesn't go after it as you need to against Elena.

Maybe all of Elena's final set TB victims at the US Open have been too distracted by her lengthy gams to concentrate on the match in the last few minutes.

sadly I can't refute any of your arguments :sad:

Momo has a lot of work to do... If you only she would come to net more often and play volleys (when her serve is working that is) or make dare Elena to come to net more (it seems she's not as confident up at net) ... she needs to play more aggressive tennis cause when it comes to baseline rallies, it's just not to her advantage :mad:

Ah well, I won't give up on Momo, till she retires :angel:

Allez Marat ;)

hablovah19
09-20-2005, 08:54 PM
:lol: Possibly, anyway back to Marat. He is gifted, I do believe his net game is very effective but lacks the confidence to come to net. His BH is a thing of beauty (only 2 BH that I consider amazing) and his strokes are so fluid but still generate tremendous power with ease. However his biggest obstacle will always be his brain and his laziness. There are times in matches when he doesnt seem to want to move his legs :rolleyes: but that is what makes him special (unpredictable)

Who would have thought when I 1st started to really follow tennis Roger would leave Marat with the sole title of talented headcase :lol:

that's really a pity!!! that would make for some more entertaining tennis... not that it isn't now - but there are so many matches with just baseline rallies, it seems!!!

MariaV
09-20-2005, 09:25 PM
I made up for it with my analysis of the Amelie-Elena match-up. ;)
:yeah: :)

alelysafina
09-20-2005, 09:49 PM
But Gaudio has something over me, even if he plays like shit I'd never admit it :devil:

You cant say something like that and then keep quiet! You now have an obligation to the rest of the posters on MTF to tell ;)

RogiFan88
09-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Unfortunately I dont get to see much of my other favs progression thanks to what I have for tennis coverage. I may add Verdasco, and Chucho there, and to some extent Gaudio. But Gaudio has something over me, even if he plays like shit I'd never admit it :devil:

mmm... Gastoncito... now there's a lovely warm boy... :drool:

oneandonlyhsn
09-20-2005, 10:04 PM
You cant say something like that and then keep quiet! You now have an obligation to the rest of the posters on MTF to tell ;)

But I promised Gaston I wouldnt :bolt:

nkhera1
09-21-2005, 01:58 AM
The thing that surprised me the most about Safin is how he was able to take Fed to 3 sets on Fed's best surface and his worst with a major knee injury. I think if Safin and Fed were playing their best, that Safin would have a slight edge though it would be great tennis for everyone to see those 2 fight it out in the finals of some grand slams or tennis masters.

drf716
09-21-2005, 02:53 AM
i think he didn't waste his talent, he's still using it right?
maybe just sporadically but he's still the best!

oneandonlyhsn
09-21-2005, 02:56 AM
i think he didn't waste his talent, he's still using it right?
maybe just sporadically but he's still the best!

Best thats a matter of opinion ;) as long as I can be in a Marat Roger sandwhich I dont care :hearts:

PennyThePenguin
09-21-2005, 03:20 AM
i think he didn't waste his talent, he's still using it right?
maybe just sporadically but he's still the best!


yep..he's using it ;) maybe 3 months out of 11. :p maybe his talent needs recharging every other month. lousy batteries :ras:

AgassiFan
09-21-2005, 04:16 AM
:wavey: I still love him like he is. :) Sigh.
Sorry, couldn't resist coming to this thread of course. :o

Masha, would you spit or swallow?

jacobhiggins
09-21-2005, 05:38 AM
Safin is one of the most talented players on the tour, but he's not the best and I don't think he will ever be the best in the rankings again. While he has all the talent in the world, he can COMPETE with Federer, but even then it does not guarentee a win. People have this impression that when he's on he's unbeatable, which is wrong, when he's on, he can compete with Federer and win, but Federer can beat him as well. Nadal is a pretty tough player right now too, although I think his topspin game will start to get picked up on, Nadal on clay is the best! Safin hasn't really wasted his talent, if he was injury free he'd be in the top 5, but he's not all there mentally and that's what makes Federer so great! Federer has the ability to make Safin look like a low ranked player and can beat him easy, Safin in order to beat Federer has to give a MONUEMENTAL effort! I have never seen Safin dominate Federer as Federer can dominate Safin.

Curls
09-21-2005, 06:24 AM
Whan do u want. Stepping on a testicle, foreskin damage :toothy:
:lol: even though I don't have testicles, foreskin of any of those other wobbly bits you men take great pride in constantly rearranging, your post still make me wince http://bestsmileys.com/eek/10.gif .....ooowwweeeeeee

NYCtennisfan
09-21-2005, 08:53 AM
What I find truly remarkable about Safin is how his groundstrokes almost always break down against any given opponent at one point or another during a match. If he is really on then his groundstrokes don't break down in the given match but will sometime during the tournament. It might be a stretch of 2 games a set or the entire match. This happens to the great majority of players on tour but they don't have as technically sound and pretty strokes that Marat posesses. I believe he has won one tournament without losing a set and with his talent, that is way too low. In any case, I think he has a slam or two left in him but he is going to have to hurry up and win them soon.

MariaV
09-21-2005, 10:33 AM
Masha, would you spit or swallow?
:aplot: Whatdya mean? :aplot: Erm, that depends actually...
If it's Marat I bet I'd swallow. ;)

mickymouse
09-21-2005, 03:44 PM
He's arguably the only player who possesses the whole package but what can you do about someone who prefers to enjoy life at his prime rather than strive to be a tennis legend

Experimentee
09-21-2005, 03:47 PM
Yeah before he won the AO this year I thought it was an absolute abomination that a player of his talent could only win one Slam. He again produced Slam winning form in the AO, but who knows how long it'll be until his next one. The injuries dont help, but even aside from those, his problems have been largely mental, and if he had the head of someone like Sampras he could have won more than 5 Slams by now. It is a bit of a waste, but remember that the mental side is all part of the game, and if he doesnt have it then he doesnt deserve to be winning Slams.

tall_one
09-21-2005, 09:08 PM
:aplot: Whatdya mean? :aplot: Erm, that depends actually...
If it's Marat I bet I'd swallow. ;)
Maria! :eek: :devil:

Meeek
09-21-2005, 09:10 PM
Maria! :eek: :devil:

:haha: My reaction exactly ;)

Yeah, what can I say... Marat is such a waste of talent, he even won two grand slams and some other hardly worth mentioning tournaments... He's such a loser. :shrug:

fenomeno2111
09-21-2005, 10:14 PM
Anything said in this thread that we didn't know??? :zzz:
Ohhh I know what!!!! Marat doesn't have a tennis brain!! you really must put all of your time watching tennis because it takes time to realize it... :rolleyes:

Tennis Fool
09-21-2005, 10:49 PM
Marat is on MaryP's 5 year plan. In 2010 he'll win Wimbledon, in his tighty whites, and with hair growth to compete with the looks of Bob Marley.

AgassiFan
09-22-2005, 02:07 AM
Andre had only 3 Slams at 29
Marat has 2 Slams at 25 (and 2 other Slam finals)

He'll have 5 before he is done, at the very least. It's really unfortunate he lost 2 of his prime years to his injuries already.

Then I imagine he and Sharapova will come together in a fake marriage arrangement, Agassi-Graf style, to produce tennis super-babies. And write impenetratable philosophical tracts.

jacobhiggins
09-22-2005, 04:52 AM
I don't think Safin will have 5 more with Federer around!

AgassiFan
09-22-2005, 05:02 AM
I don't think Safin will have 5 more with Federer around!


Not 5 more - 3 more since he already has 2.

And Roger will perish in a jet crash 2008-2009-ish, so I wouldn't worry much about him.

prima donna
09-22-2005, 06:15 AM
Not 5 more - 3 more since he already has 2.

And Roger will perish in a jet crash 2008-2009-ish, so I wouldn't worry much about him.

Nice thing to say, asshole.

Tennis Fool
09-22-2005, 10:25 AM
Then I imagine he and Sharapova will come together in a fake marriage arrangement, Agassi-Graf style, to produce tennis super-babies.
What do mean by this :confused:

AgassiFan
09-22-2005, 05:24 PM
Nice thing to say, asshole.

Hey, as a big Federer admirer (but no longer a fan - mostly rooted for him in juniors, not on pro tour), I am not WISHING for it to happen, to say the least.

But like Mozart, Pushkin, Jesus, etc... Fed is ripe for Leaving Us while at the Pinnacle of his Greatness.

;)

oz_boz
09-23-2005, 10:36 AM
Safin is an overachiever: normally struggling to beat top 50-players, but pulls out some great performances now and then.

Seriously: save us this stupid "idiot-savant"-discussion. Marat is talented, but not the best and the worst. He can lose while playing his best, and win while not playing 100%. And grass cannot be considered a bad surface for him anymore, his Halle appearance speaks for itself.

AgassiFan
09-23-2005, 07:41 PM
.Seriously: save us this stupid "idiot-savant"-discussion. Marat is talented, but not the best and the worst.

If by "not the best, not the worst" you mean "one of the most talented humans to ever pick a racquet"... then I agree completely.

Marat is hugely talented, almost as talented as Federer in fact. You just have no eye and no instincts to discern it. Your loss.

And, yes, multiple serious injuries AND not caring about making yourself better CAN derail even the most promising a career.

bandabou
09-23-2005, 10:32 PM
Well...not underachiever persé persé....he still has reached 4 finals so at least he wasn´t a one-slam wonder, although yeah...he should have won more majors, 2002 Oz open comes to mind...but other than that, once Roger got serious...it was lights off for everybody else.

I think Marat has a couple more oz opens in him...seems like his game is perfect for the surface.