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Murkofan
08-14-2003, 02:43 PM
Master Windu, you should repost your astrology thingy on Ll in this forum :p

In the meantime, here's a description of me, an Aquarius, courtesy of astrology-online.com :p

The Water Carrier
January 21 to February 19
Traditional
Aquarian Traits

Friendly and humanitarian
Honest and loyal
Original and inventive
Independent and intellectual

On the dark side....

Intractable and contrary :eek:
Perverse and unpredictable :eek:
Unemotional and detached :eek:


Aquarius About Your Sign...
Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.

Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.

They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.

Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.

In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them. They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.

Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.

Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.

Possible Health Concerns...
As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.


LIKES
Fighting for Causes
Dreaming and Planning for the Future
Thinking of the Past
Good Companions
Having Fun

DISLIKES
Full of Air Promises
Excessive Loneliness
The Ordinary
Imitations
Idealistic


PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE FOR YOU, AND THEIR SOLUTIONS

As with all sun signs, we all have unique traits to our personalities. When these traits are suppressed, or unrealized, problems will arise. However, with astrology we can examine the problem and assess the proper solution based on the sun sign characteristics. As an Aquarius you may see things below that really strike home. Try the solution, you most likely will be amazed at the results. If you find yourself on the receiving end of the negatives below, it is because you are failing to express the positive.

Problem: Being left all alone while others enjoy the companionship you long for.
Solution: You should practice expressing your humanity by accepting people the way they are and not find too much fault in them.

Problem: You always seem to miss the boat when it comes to love.
Solution: Try letting down the mental guard that you keep on your emotions that stops you from being the self you long to be.

Problem: You always seem to miss out on the better jobs or big promotions at work.
Solution: Learn to use your positive side in teamwork and group effort, the lone wolf approach will get you nowhere.

Problem: You seem to become physically ill more than you should.
Solution: By repressing your emotions you drive the unrest deep inside where it can cost you in terms of health. Express your feelings but do it with tact.

Well, does it sound like me? :p

dagmar7
08-14-2003, 03:21 PM
Here is Part One as requested...:D

This horoscope arose from a series of PMs between duck and myself. As Lleyton currently isn't playing, and as I studied classics and duck is a Renaissance scholar, we decided to use occult means in order to understand Lleyton better--as rational ones are proving difficult. Here for your reading pleasure--hopefully--is the following.

A note on Roman astrology: This Lleyton horoscope follows two ancient texts--Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos and Firmicius Maeternus' Mathesis. In Tetrabiblos, Ptolemy classifies the planets according to a series of binary oppositions: element--air vs. earth, water vs. fire; hot vs. cold; wet vs. dry etc. These properties as represented by the stars also correspond to the human anatomy, the mineral and vegetable world, geography and the winds, hence the use of astrology in navigation. In short, all the phenomenal world is classifiable along these principles...with astrology holding the key.

Of course, as this is an ancient horoscope, we have to ignore the three outer planets--at least for now--for obvious reasons. That leaves us with in Lleyton's case: Sun and Mars in Pisces; Moon in Scorpio; Mercury and Venus in Aquarius; Jupiter and Saturn in Libra.

A warning: Roman Astrology is much more definite and harsh than its modern counterpart, so some of the predictions, commentary may be a little extreme. Remember that the Romans also watched feeding chickens to predict the future, and that should keep it in perspective.

The overall chart: The unbalanced nature of this chart is immediately apparent. Only two of the four elements are represented--air and water. Air governs the human mind and the realm of thoughts and ideas; water is associated with the psyche and human feeling. This means that Lleyton would therefore be sensitive and cerebral, probably high-minded, idealistic and compassionate. He may lack vitality (fire), although if we cheat as moderns, we can see that two outer planets are in Sagittarius, which would give him some 'fire' in his chart. By both ancient and modern standards, however, there's a total absence of earth signs in his chart, making the native impractical and non-materialistic, not grounded.

On the other hand, the qualities of the signs--called by various names, and by most modern astrologers Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable--are balanced. Pisces is mutable; Libra is cardinal; and Scorpio and Aquarius are fixed. The native therefore does not lack initiative, staying power or flexibility and intuition in his character.

Also, feminine and masculine signs are balanced. To avoid sexism, modern astrologers call these qualities active/passive or extroverted/introverted. In any case, the two principles are balanced in Lleyton's chart.

General Analysis of Planetary Aspects: Triadic aspects (120 or 60 degrees) are considered beneficent, oppositions and square angles malefic. Conjunctions can be either positive or negative, depending on the planets involved, dignity of the sign and so forth. In Lleyton's case, his chart is dominated by three conjunctions, which I will deal with separately. Aside from the conjunction, Mercury/Venus are in harmony (although the aspect is not exact) with Saturn/Jupiter. And the Sun/Mars conjunction is in harmony with the Moon.

Mars and the Sun in conjunction in Pisces: The Sun represents the father (among other things) for all ancient astrologers. Mars is, of course, the planet of war, and brings violence and bloodthirstiness in general (choler). The conjunction of these two (hot, masculine) planets produces hot-tempered, combative individuals, careless of the consequences of their actions and of their own safety...modern astrologers still interpret this conjunction along these lines.
For antiquity, Mars could bring violent death (a pretty safe prediction during certain times of the Roman Empire). Because of the conjunction with the Sun, Mars here means violence and death connected with the father: "Mars and the Sun in the same sign indicate for the father either an early or an evil death" (Firmicius 6. XXIV.1) Also the Sun represents the conscious mind (Apollo) and the ego. Mars energy, therefore, brings a troubled mind to the native: "Also they upset the stability of the reasoning" (6. XXIV.1). The native should also beware of iron--another safe bet in the Roman Empire.
This conjunction is even worse for Lleyton because it is in Pisces. While the most introverted and sensitive sign in the zodiac (feminine, wet and cold ) could have a dampening effect on the fiery planetary energies involved, it just makes matters worse, resulting in further mental instability and emotional disturbances. The individual may feel torn in two. It also means that Glynn might want to avoid sailing.

And now for the good news...

Mercury and Venus in conjunction in Aquarius: These two planets are happy together according to ancient astrology. The hermaphroditic planet Mercury, which governs speech, travel and magic, combines with the feminine planet of Venus, sovereign planet of beauty and sensuality, to give the native beauty and grace. The native may be noted for his pleasant voice, and is likely to be a fine singer. This is a good combination for athletes and dancers.
Typically, this conjunction makes the native "oversexed" (Firmicius 6.XXVI), but in Aquarius, the most "human" and high-minded of all signs, this sensuality is tempered with idealism and loyalty, making the native true in love.

Jupiter and Saturn in conjunction in Libra: Saturn is a malefic planet but it is in its exaltation in Libra and its influence is relatively benign. Saturn is the planet most concerned with the passage of time and with restraint, inhibition and loss; Jupiter is associated with children and is expansive (fertile) in nature. In the balanced sign of Libra, the two combine very well and natives born under this aspect will be virtuous with a high sense of duty. "Uncorruptible virtue" according to Firmicius. (6.II.1)
The native will persevere after initial obstacles. Although they will face insults and misunderstandings--Firmicius mentions "losses, grief, injuries, disgrace, law suits, journeys, insults and loss of inheritance" (5.IV.16)--but the native will overcome these and will be respected in old age with fortunate children.

A Note on the Moon: Because we don't have the time of birth, we can't calculate the exact position of the Moon, which is crucial to ancient astrology. The Moon in Scorpio is ill-dignified and the most emotionally unstable of all lunar positions--again with the emotional problems. *sighs* The trine between the Sun/Mars conjunction and the Moon, however, softens the harsh prognosis, and presages good fortune especially for marriage and for relations with women in general.

Hope you enjoyed it. If anyone has any corrections, amendments, different versions they'd like to offer that would be great. Also, if anyone knows the exact time of birth for Lleyton, we would be very grateful.

dagmar7
08-14-2003, 03:37 PM
Part 2...Moooore.:eek:

First, I will give the relevant quotations, then I will explain.:D

I decided to pretend that Lleyton was born at noon in the fair city of Adelaide as the Original Lleyton Hewitt Website horoscope says. This would mean many things...here are a few you might enjoy from Firmicius Maeternus. Again, thanks to duck for her sage council and assistance in these matters.

3.IV.32: But if Mars is found by day in the tenth house, he will produce men who are active but beset with obstacles. This position also shows great losses, including that of inheritance, and the native may be banished or condemned. For some the position means arduous travel, for others extreme poverty, for others exile.

3. V. 35-37: The Sun in the tenth house, in his house (no) or in the house of Jupiter in a diurnal chart (yes) makes kings, generals, consuls and proconsuls. The presence of Mars means, however, that honours are achieved only after struggles, dangers and ill will.
Edit: Also, the Sun at the M.C. means parents of high position, but this is diminished/frustrated by Mars. (Glynn and Chezz's thwarted athletic ambitions...thanks duck )

3. VI. 17, 21: Constant attacks by some demon are indicated by Venus in the ninth house. The natives go around sordid and unkempt (the goatee!) or stay in the temples prophesying...but in conjunction with the M.C. (yes), Venus indicates great fame, good fortune and the prizes of wreaths.

3. VII. 18-19: Those who have Mercury in the ninth house without influence of another beneficent planet are quarrelsome, contentious arguers, claiming that they themselves know whatever is suggested to them. But if protected by a beneficent planet (Venus in this case) the native will be lucky, with great powers and good fortune.

5. I. 1-9: (Ascendant in Taurus, M.C. in Pisces as they would be for noon/Adelaide) The native will be worn out with many kinds of sorrow. Whatever he achieves in early youth he will lose, but afterward will regain. He will see his enemies laid low. The M.C. in Pisces indicates a life spent in watery places, foreign investment and an income divided between two states.

dagmar7
08-14-2003, 03:52 PM
And here's the explanation of the quotations, for those who initially asked.:p

Angles: There are four angles that are considered of primary importance to any horoscope. These are:

The Ascendant: This is the section of the zodiac rising on the eastern horizon at the native's birth. So if you were born at dawn, the Sun would form a conjunction with your Ascendant. The Ascendant is generally considered to govern the outer self, the first impression one leaves on others. It may also, for modern astrologers, signify how one likes to imagine one's own personality or image.

The I.C. (Imum Caelum): This is the section of the zodiac at the nadir of the heavens--unseen at the time of birth, of course. Therefore, if you were born in the middle of the night, the sun would conjoin the I.C. In astrology, the I.C. is associated with the foundations, often the childhood of the individual. It can also signify what is hidden.

The Descendant: This is the section of the zodiac setting on the western horizon. So sunset birth=sun on the Descendant. The Descendant governs the other, and is associated with marriage and partnership in general. It also has to do with our desires/expectations of others.

The M.C. (Medium Caelum): This is the section of the zodiac at the zenith of the heavens. Noon birth=sun conjoins the M.C like our hypothetical Lleyton. The M.C. has to do with public life, fame and aspiration.

Still with me? Probably not, but I press on regardless.

Aside from the signs, the zodiac is divided into places (loci), which are distinct from signs. Modern astrologers call them houses. These are twelve like the signs of the zodiac, but are counted from the ascendant and not from Aries, and are thought to govern individual fortunes, as opposed to the personality of the native.

Because their names are pretty, here they are: 1. Ascendant 2. Anafora (Gates of Hell) 3. Dea 4. Imum Caelum 5. Bona Fortuna 6. Mala Fortuna 7. Dysis (Descendant) 8. Epicafatora (Gateway to the Underworld) 8. Deus 10. Medium Caelum 11. Bonus Daemon 12. Cacos Daemon. Each place governs a different aspect of human experience, and the presence of planets in a locus mean that this aspect of human experience is of special importance to the native.

What it all Means!

So for our sample horoscope. Jupiter and Saturn are in the place of Bona Fortuna; The Moon is in the place of Mala Fortuna; Mercury and Venus are in conjunction in the place of Deus and the Sun and Mars are in conjunction in the place Medium Caelum. Both the Sun and Venus also conjoin the angle (different from the place) of the Medium Caelum.

The Ascendant in Taurus means that the native faces conflict and adversity. He may seem practical, simple and stubborn on first acquaintance, but the rest of the horoscope shows that this impression is deceiving, even though this is probably how he sees himself. The M.C. in Pisces means that the native's fortunes are associated with the sea and foreign lands. There also is the suggestion of duality here.

To play psychic, all this seems to fit well with Lleyton, who likes to simplify his life as much as possible, calls himself "pretty basic" and has apparently fairly plain tastes. The wildly fluctuating nature of his fortunes, also suggested elsewhere in the chart, is certainly in evidence from what we know of his life so far. The foreign states, divided income part of the prediction is, of course, eerily accurate.:eek:

Four planets are clustered near the M.C. and the ancients would sagely interpret this as typical of someone with a very public life, and--for good or ill--a significant impact on their environment. Venus brings glory--especially in the arts and in athletic accomplishment (the wreaths mentioned in Firmicius). The Sun also brings renown and high position, conferred in part by the parents. Mars, however, attacks this blissful arrangement, bringing conflict and strife, especially alarming as concerns the father (the Sun). Also, Mercury and Venus are ill at ease in the ninth place and this makes the native quarrelsome and subject to the attacks of some demon.

This also is eerily accurate. Lleyton already has the modern equivalent of wreaths and public renown, and certainly his family has had an active role in this. This fame, however, has been at the expense of conflict, both through Lleyton's temperament and through external circumstances, perhaps some problem with the family...The demon suggested by the horoscope could be Mark Miles :p or some other malignant force. The unkempt description explains the catastrophic grooming decisions, counteracting the legacy of good looks given by Mercury and Venus.;)

The Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in the place of Bona Fortuna is almost entirely good, and makes the native persevering, virtuous and prosperous.

Well, naturally, I agree with this.

The Moon in the house of Mala Fortuna and ill dignified in Scorpio looks bad to me, but the relevant section of Firmicius is missing.:mad: In any case, the ill fortune is softened by the Moon's trine with the Sun and an antiscium (don't ask) to Venus.

In total, a very focussed, if unbalanced, chart, which shows a troubled soul, with very little "hidden". The good news is that there are a lot of very fortunate planets in this chart, and that Lleyton should eventually, according to the ancients, achieve some measure of peace and honoured life.

It could be a lot worse...there are many opportunities to be classified as "vicious" and "depraved" in Firmicius, and a truly frightening litany of violent deaths. This was imperial Rome, after all.

For anyone who read all this, I thank you for your patience and hope you enjoyed it.;) I might post the "synastry" between Lleyton and Kim's charts this evening for those interested.:p

dagmar7
08-15-2003, 11:44 AM
In the meantime, here's a description of me, an Aquarius, courtesy of astrology-online.com :p

Aquarius About Your Sign...
Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity.
...

Well, does it sound like me? :p

Pfff...I almost missed this leading question. That's what happens when one doesn't read carefully. :p

The problem with these modern sun-sign horoscopes: so wishy-washy! I see they hedge their bets by offering two completely different types of Aquarius--one introverted and one extoverted. Well that pretty much covers it, doesn't it?:p

I don't know you well enough to judge the accuracy of most of the commentary, but, of course, this never stopped me from answering a question at length.:o Intelligent, certainly...I'd say you pride yourself on your judgement, and you have a strong sense of intellectual curiosity and a logical mind. All of this would be typical of Aquarius, the fixed sign of air.

You seem like a friendly person and one to whom friends are very important, so I'd agree with this. Intractable also would seem to be accurate, and maybe a little perverse in the way you cling to that silly Atkins diet in the face of all logic.:kiss:

I'd say that you are a fairly idealistic person, who likes to think in abstract terms and apply these values to everyday life. For instance, in your conversation, you make many aphoristic statements and typically introduce abstract principles to evaluate specific problems, which I find charming btw, not a criticism:D.

Idealism is very typical for the sign, which governs philosophy among other things. That's it for Marly the Aquarian...:D

Murkofan
08-15-2003, 02:21 PM
The problem with these modern sun-sign horoscopes: so wishy-washy! I see they hedge their bets by offering two completely different types of Aquarius--one introverted and one extoverted. Well that pretty much covers it, doesn't it?:p

I introverted, fyi. :p And if you're bored and think you could do it better, you could give me the treatment you gave Ll :p I even know my time of birth ;) :p



I'd say that you are a fairly idealistic person, who likes to think in abstract terms and apply these values to everyday life. For instance, in your conversation, you make many aphoristic statements and typically introduce abstract principles to evaluate specific problems, which I find charming btw, not a criticism:D.


:confused: Lehman's terms, por favor? :angel: I do pride myself on my judgement, but not so much that I can't ask a question when I'm totally lost :p

dagmar7
08-17-2003, 11:41 AM
I introverted, fyi. :p And if you're bored and think you could do it better, you could give me the treatment you gave Ll :p I even know my time of birth ;) :p

:confused: Lehman's terms, por favor? :angel: I do pride myself on my judgement, but not so much that I can't ask a question when I'm totally lost :p

Oops...I missed another question. See what happens when one doesn't check threads.:o I'm neither bored nor psychic so I can't claim to do any better than astrology.com.;) However, I like looking up the relevant predictions, because I like looking at ancient texts, so if you want your astro-prediction with the help of Firmicius, pm your exact time and place of birth and I'll be happy to write one for you.:D It might take a while though...

Abstract/aphoristic, in this case, refers to the use of an abstract concept or an aphorism to solve a problem. For example, in our discussion of beauty, goodness etc., you introduced "pretty is as pretty does" to answer the question, introducing an aphorism as support for your argument instead of referring to your specific experience for answers, or using a "dialectical" method to discover the properties of the terms being discussed through a question and answer process. Supposedly this type of thinking would be typical of Aquarius, the most abstract of all zodiac signs.:p

Have I confused you further or does this make sense?

dagmar7
08-17-2003, 12:17 PM
I wrote this a while ago, and thought I would post it to celebrate lleyki's reunion in New York after a lengthy stateside separation.:D

Synastry in this post refers to the combination of two horoscopes, whether they are compatible etc.


Here are my notes on the synastry between Lleyton's and Kim's charts. Typical newspaper astrology (I scoff) always talks about compatibility in terms of sun signs, and while this may be pertinent with regard to the blend of personalities, it actually has little to do with sexual attraction. Most modern astrology says that charming, superficial Gemini and otherworldly, hypersensitive Pisces blend poorly in love--"traumatic" according to one I read. But pfff, I say, what do similar personalities have to do with romance? At least according to ancient astrology, we must look for connections between opposing planets Sun/Moon Venus/Mars and also at the position of the Ascendant.

The first important signs of connection are conjunctions involving both Ascendants. Kim's Ascendant, Pisces, is Lleyton's sun sign and likely conjoins with his Sun, Mars or maybe with both. This is a very traditional sign of compatibility, and the two are likely to help one another to be successful. Conversely, they may blame one another for the failures of each, especially if his Mars contacts her Ascendant Lleyton's (hypothetical) Ascendant (Taurus) is the same as Kim's lunar sign and may conjoin with the Moon or Mercury. This can signify an attraction that works on the "vegetable" level, to use a favourite ancient world. The two may feel familiar to one another without being able to explain why. Mercury highlights communication. As both Lleyton's and Kim's first houses are empty, the feeling of fulfilment that they receive from these contacts will be intensified.

This formation is also interesting because Piscean qualities (sensitivity, dreaminess and compassion) are how Kim likes to present herself and Taurean qualities (practicality, "earthiness" etc.) are how Lleyton likes to present himself, but in fact the other member of the relationship (his two planets in Pisces, her two planets in Taurus) far better exemplifies these qualities. As Lou Reed sang "If I could make the world as pure/and strange as what I see/I'd put you in the mirror/I put in front of me."

The next important aspect of synastry is the opposition between the two Moons. The opposition is a malefic aspect and here it can mean misunderstanding, but it also in this case signifies a magnetic attraction or fascination, a sort of you complete me feeling. With his Moon in passionate, destructive Scorpio and hers in stubborn, sensual Taurus (the fixed signs of water and earth respectively) the bond is very strong, and (as I said earlier) it is very unlikely the couple will drift apart.

Also important is the trine between her Sun/Mars conjunction and his Mercury/Venus conjunction. This is just a big old sign of sexual attraction according to all astrological sources. With the presence of Mercury, the two are likely to find each others company intellectually stimulating as well, especially as Gemini and Aquarius are the two signs involved. The two air signs also signify that there is definitely a playful side to the relationship.:D

Problem areas: There are many. Her Venus in Leo is unaspected to any of his planets and is, so to speak, left out in the cold. She may want more public display (Leo loves the limelight) in the relationship, and most likely he doesnt. So this need of hers is unmet. The opposition between the two Moons is echoed by a difficult square aspects both between the two Mercurys and between the two Mars. There may be communication problems between the couple, and, as they are both combative, sparks are likely to fly. The conflict between the Mercurys, in particular, means that the verbal battles may get pretty ugly.:eek: Despite their flighty sun signs, the lunar signs mean that both "deep down" are pretty possessive, and her Venus in Leo intensifies this.

Some final comments. A very powerful bond. Each may feel incomplete without the other, as the chart of the other supplies "what is missing". Her chart lacks water "passion" "intuition" etc. His chart lacks earth "commonsense" "connection to the physical world". They find these qualities in each other. The danger of this synastry is that they will become too dependent on one another to supply what is missing from their own personalities, and will neglect self-knowledge as a result. Also, there are certainly likely to be quarrels etc., although the positive aspects will help them to overcome these.

That's all for now...hope you enjoyed it. For more information on Kim's horoscope, please see CCL in WTAworld.;)

Murkofan
08-17-2003, 03:36 PM
Oops...I missed another question. See what happens when one doesn't check threads.:o I'm neither bored nor psychic so I can't claim to do any better than astrology.com.;) However, I like looking up the relevant predictions, because I like looking at ancient texts, so if you want your astro-prediction with the help of Firmicius, pm your exact time and place of birth and I'll be happy to write one for you.:D It might take a while though...

Abstract/aphoristic, in this case, refers to the use of an abstract concept or an aphorism to solve a problem. For example, in our discussion of beauty, goodness etc., you introduced "pretty is as pretty does" to answer the question, introducing an aphorism as support for your argument instead of referring to your specific experience for answers, or using a "dialectical" method to discover the properties of the terms being discussed through a question and answer process. Supposedly this type of thinking would be typical of Aquarius, the most abstract of all zodiac signs.:p

Have I confused you further or does this make sense?

What do you think? :p