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Article : Mats Wilander criticises slowing Wimbledon courts

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 05:21 PM
http://go.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=tennisNews&storyID=9691118&section=news&src=rss/uk/tennisNews

Wilander criticises slowing Wimbledon courts

NEW DELHI, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Wimbledon's slowing grass courts are hastening the end of serve-volley in tennis, former world number one Mats Wilander said on Monday.

"I'm personally very disappointed (at) the way they are making Wimbledon these days," Wilander told reporters.

"We're slowly losing the style of playing tennis which is the serve and volley."

Wilander, Sweden's non-playing captain for this weekend's Davis Cup World Group play-off tie in New Delhi, said ideally players should mix serve and volley with a solid baseline game.

"But we are slowly losing that because the grass courts in Wimbledon are getting slower and slower," said the 41-year-old, winner of seven grand slam titles in the 1980s.

Wimbledon is the only grand slam tournament to be played on grass. The French Open is played on clay and the Australian and U.S. Opens on hard courts.

Wilander said he believed such courts did not help Britain realise their dream of producing a first homegrown men's champion since Fred Perry won Wimbledon and the U.S Open in 1936, despite having two serve-volleyers in their ranks.

"I'm not sure what they are thinking in England because you have (British) players like Tim Henman and Greg Rusedski," he said.

"England might be the only country in the world who don't actually try and (prepare courts to) suit them. It seems they are doing everything they can for them not to win."

silverwhite
09-19-2005, 05:30 PM
:yeah: Not that it's a completely new opinion, but it's great that Wilander is willing to speak out against it.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 05:31 PM
I mean as a grassphobe myself, sure Wimbledon personally has become more watchable, but the key is to get the balance right, when it was faster than a bowling green it wasn't tennis, but it wouldn't be a bad idea if they were quickened up and the clay slowed down.

silverwhite
09-19-2005, 05:35 PM
I mean as a grassphobe myself, sure Wimbledon personally has become more watchable, but the key is to get the balance right, when it was faster than a bowling green it wasn't tennis, but it wouldn't be a bad idea if they were quickened up and the clay slowed down.

As a member of the All-Surface Snobs Club, I agree with this. ;)

alfonsojose
09-19-2005, 06:19 PM
all-surface snob :yeah:

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 06:20 PM
:yeah: Not that it's a completely new opinion, but it's great that Wilander is willing to speak out against it.

Wilander has never been short of an opinion, but he can see the benefits of it for sure, even though it wasn't his favourite surface, but these things go in cycles.

revolution
09-19-2005, 06:38 PM
Yeah, I seen this. I love grass court tennis, it's definitely my favourite, as I think it's the only surface where contrasting styles can succeed (serve and volley, big serve, baseliner, grinder), and I think the courts are fine as they are. I think they just changed the kind of grass used and they thought it was slower. But of course, Gonzo made the last eight so of course it had to be slower.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 06:40 PM
Yeah, I seen this. I love grass court tennis, it's definitely my favourite, as I think it's the only surface where contrasting styles can succeed (serve and volley, big serve, baseliner, grinder), and I think the courts are fine as they are.

Doing stand up comedy again are we?

revolution
09-19-2005, 06:43 PM
Doing stand up comedy again are we?


Huh?

Sampras (serve and volley)
Ivanisevic (big serve)
Hewitt (grinder)
Federer (all-round)

So of course various types can succeed on grass.

Rather than muck about with the courts though, seriously Wimbledon needs to modernise, scrap the all white rule and get some commercial sponsors.

star
09-19-2005, 06:44 PM
I think it's a difficult task for Wimbledon to get the surface right. If it is as fast as it once was, it's a big serve, perhaps a volley, and the point is done. There's plenty of complaint about that sort of tennis too.

The pendulum has probably swung to far in the other direction now though.

Jim Jones
09-19-2005, 06:47 PM
Well its still mostly the big guns who make it to the finals such as Roddick. Federer of course has an all-round game.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 06:48 PM
Huh?

Sampras (serve and volley)
Ivanisevic (big serve)
Hewitt (grinder)
Federer (all-round)

So of course various types can succeed on grass.

Rather than muck about with the courts though, seriously Wimbledon needs to modernise, scrap the all white rule and get some commercial sponsors.

You're cracking jokes that grass is the best surface where everyone has an equal chance. I could do exactly the same for list clay, but both these surfaces favour heavily different types of players, so don't give me this nonsense that grass that it's the only surface where that can happen.

The courts are a bit slow, I've already given my view on this subject.

Just cause I have no sense of humour.

Noah (serve/volley)
Verkerk (big serve)
Muster (grinder)
Federer ( all round)

Those players can play well on clay doesn't mean it's the fairest surface.

star
09-19-2005, 06:48 PM
Federer also has a wicked serve that is used to advantage on grass.

alfonsojose
09-19-2005, 06:51 PM
Federer also has a wicked serve that is used to advantage on grass.
:yeah: JesusFed has a big serve, too. He gets tons of free points. He's not Roddick but definitely he serves big

revolution
09-19-2005, 07:01 PM
Yes but these days serve and volley has no hope on clay, although Noah did it.

It's my opinion that grass has a fairer chance for baseliners than clay is for S and V.

TheBoiledEgg
09-19-2005, 07:50 PM
Huh?

Sampras (serve and volley)
Ivanisevic (big serve)
Hewitt (grinder)
Federer (all-round)

So of course various types can succeed on grass.

Rather than muck about with the courts though, seriously Wimbledon needs to modernise, scrap the all white rule and get some commercial sponsors.


Sampras (serve and volley) :confused: , he falls into same category as Goran
it was more like Serve, point over or serve and smash.

hasnt been a proper serve and volley winner since Stefan Edberg in 1990.

madmanfool
09-19-2005, 08:43 PM
I agree with Wilander

In_Disguise
09-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Tim Henman said that Wimbledon nowadays is even slower than some of the clay courts and is much slower than the Aussie Open...it's not a real grass court anymore in terms of bounce and speed...it's a shame, the LTA have destroyed the very thing they hold most dear - the art of grass court tennis.

Wimbledon 2001 was the last year of real grass court tennis. From then onwards you had baseliners - Hewitt and Federer dominating. And before anyone disagrees, Federer is a baseliner more than anything...a player who only serves and volleyers less than 10% of the times is not a real all court player IMO. Even Andy Roddick plays the net game much more than Federer these days...yet people say Federer is the finest all round player in history! how ironic

intikab
09-19-2005, 09:15 PM
Tim Henman said that Wimbledon nowadays is even slower than some of the clay courts and is much slower than the Aussie Open...it's not a real grass court anymore in terms of bounce and speed...it's a shame, the LTA have destroyed the very thing they hold most dear - the art of grass court tennis.

Wimbledon 2001 was the last year of real grass court tennis. From then onwards you had baseliners - Hewitt and Federer dominating. And before anyone disagrees, Federer is a baseliner more than anything...a player who only serves and volleyers less than 10% of the times is not a real all court player IMO. Even Andy Roddick plays the net game much more than Federer these days...yet people say Federer is the finest all round player in history! how ironic

If Wim is so slow, how come Fed, Rod, Philippoussis, Ancic, Hewitt, Lopez, Popp have been the ones in the later rounds in the last 3 years?

I think you have a short memory - Federer S/Ved about 60% of time when winning W in 2003, he also S/Ved on almost all first & second serves against Sampras in 2001. He chose that the baseline approach is better once he lost to Nalbandian in USO 2003. And the results have proved him right - he has won 6/10 slams & lost only 9 matches in 2 years.

How about Agassi winning in '92 beating the likes of Becker, McEnroe, and Goran along the way? Was he a serve-volleyer too?

In_Disguise
09-19-2005, 09:33 PM
If Wim is so slow, how come Fed, Rod, Philippoussis, Ancic, Hewitt, Lopez, Popp have been the ones in the later rounds in the last 3 years?

I think you have a short memory - Federer S/Ved about 60% of time when winning W in 2003, he also S/Ved on almost all first & second serves against Sampras in 2001. He chose that the baseline approach is better once he lost to Nalbandian in USO 2003. And the results have proved him right - he has won 6/10 slams & lost only 9 matches in 2 years.

How about Agassi winning in '92 beating the likes of Becker, McEnroe, and Goran along the way? Was he a serve-volleyer too?

Federer certainly doesn't serve and volley anymore these days...Only the likes of Ancic, Dent, Rusedski etc remain as that rare breed. You can't argue against Federer's success but he essentially play the same game as Agassi nowdays. How can you call him a great all court player? McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, Sampras are all better rounded IMO

uNIVERSE mAN
09-19-2005, 10:39 PM
Since when did Wilander have a S/V game?

its.like.that
09-20-2005, 01:13 AM
Huh?

Sampras (serve and volley)
Ivanisevic (big serve)
Hewitt (grinder)
Federer (all-round)

So of course various types can succeed on grass.

Rather than muck about with the courts though, seriously Wimbledon needs to modernise, scrap the all white rule and get some commercial sponsors.

why mention Hewitt?

the worst Wimbledon winner ever along with Cash.

Rafter should have hung around for 1 more year and he could have masturbaited his way to the title.

:lol:

jacobhiggins
09-20-2005, 02:02 AM
Federer can do everything, serve and volley AND attack from the baseline, he switches them up. He's the best all around player I ever seen!

NYCtennisfan
09-20-2005, 02:09 AM
Wilander has a point but when it was too fast, everyone complained. I think the way it is now gives more people a chance and the fast court players still dominate. Fed and Roddick have dominated the tournament the last few years and they probably would've with the old courts too.

Action Jackson
09-22-2005, 08:02 AM
Since when did Wilander have a S/V game?

Since when have you made an intelligent post?

Originally posted by NYCtennisfan
Wilander has a point but when it was too fast, everyone complained. I think the way it is now gives more people a chance and the fast court players still dominate. Fed and Roddick have dominated the tournament the last few years and they probably would've with the old courts too.

Yes, the fact that one of the Wimbledon finals Sampras won the ball was in play for about 8 minutes in the whole match and it was just bang, boom brainless tennis. They had to do something, but the question is the balance right?

Henman is cracking jokes that the grass is as slow as clay. As you have mentioned Federer and Roddick have dominated the grass game and the other guys who get through to the end are still players who excel on faster surfaces, when someone like Acasuso, Volandri or Ferrer is in the Wimbledon final then maybe.

Action Jackson
06-15-2006, 04:58 AM
Sampras (serve and volley) :confused: , he falls into same category as Goran
it was more like Serve, point over or serve and smash.

hasnt been a proper serve and volley winner since Stefan Edberg in 1990.

That is true.

CmonAussie
06-15-2006, 05:03 AM
Sampras (serve and volley) :confused: , he falls into same category as Goran
it was more like Serve, point over or serve and smash.

hasnt been a proper serve and volley winner since Stefan Edberg in 1990.
:wavey:
If Pat Rafter had pulled of a win in the 2000 or 2001 finals then he would have been the last, unfortunately his big match nerves got the better of him :sad: ...

Volley Art
06-15-2006, 06:36 AM
Grass is still the fastest, lowest-bouncing surface out there (though the USTA seems determined to make its courts faster). Baseliners are winning more because there's simply more baseliners out there. I think Wilander is overestimating the impact of the changes the All-England club has made. It's still a very unique surface that rewards people who serve well and get into the net. And Federer is not a classic serve-and-volleyer, but he is certainly more willing to get in to the net than most.

Scotso
06-15-2006, 06:44 AM
It's still too fast. We need to slow down all surfaces, make tennis more interesting.

madmanfool
06-15-2006, 07:10 AM
I have a video here of 2000 Wimbledon Rafter-Agassi. One of the classic matches. And you know why, because it's a pure serve-and-volleyer against a pure baseliner that's playing. That gives highly attractive tennis, still the best tennis there is.
How many classic matches have there been since, eh?
If i compare the speed on the video to now, it's just amasing. It's just 5-6 years ago, but it's soooo slow now. The ball still bounces low, sure, but it just doesn't skid through anymore the way it did.

If you think Federer goes to the net a lot, you're very naive. Last time was in 2003, which i think was great! But after that nothing, he's as much a baseliner as anyone else. He trows in 3-4 serve-and-volleys a set, and people will go: oh, he's mixing it up so well all the time, bla, bla... He's mixing up sh*t.
Now Henman is a player who mixes it up these days, he doesn't serve-and-volley 100% anymore, definetely not on his second serve. Oh,my god , did just say something good about Henman?:p

Do you play tennis yourself MatejBockofan? Ever played against a grinder on clay? You can't imagine how much fun that is.

Action Jackson
06-15-2006, 07:12 AM
I have a video here of 2000 Wimbledon Rafter-Agassi. One of the classic matches. And you know why, because it's a pure serve-and-volleyer against a pure baseliner that's playing. That gives highly attractive tennis, still the best tennis there is.
How many classic matches have there been since, eh?
If i compare the speed on the video to now, it's just amasing. It's just 5-6 years ago, but it's soooo slow now. The ball still bounces low, sure, but it just doesn't skid through anymore the way it did.

To you it's the best tennis.

madmanfool
06-15-2006, 07:14 AM
To you it's the best tennis.

To me, and to a hole lot of other people too

Action Jackson
06-16-2006, 04:12 AM
To me, and to a hole lot of other people too

I hope you are not surprised that not everyone thinks Wimbledon is the greatest tournament to win or loves grass tennis?

*Viva Chile*
06-16-2006, 04:23 AM
grass sucks :p

madmanfool
06-16-2006, 06:13 AM
I hope you are not surprised that not everyone thinks Wimbledon is the greatest tournament to win or loves grass tennis?

No off course not, duh :shrug: What does that even got to do with my previous posts???

Volley Art
06-16-2006, 06:16 AM
madmanfool, two things: Is that Agassi/Rafter match sendable? I still remember watching that on TV... I don't think I sat down during the fifth set and almost punched a hole in the wall after Andre lost. Second thing: Federer doesn't serve-and-volley much these days simply because he doesn't have to. If you're beating people from the baseline, why bother rushing the net? When he needs to do it, he does. It's a matter of smart tennis.

Action Jackson
06-16-2006, 06:22 AM
No off course not, duh :shrug: What does that even got to do with my previous posts???

You are intelligent enough and should be able to understand what I was getting at.

madmanfool
06-16-2006, 06:24 AM
No, it's on DVD, i bought it, only one i ever bought but i don't regret it. I'm planning on perhaps buying Agassi-Rafter Aus open somewhere too, the one rafter cramped.
Federer obviously doing something right with that streak he's got on grass, but i really thought when he took in Roche it was to improve his volleys.

Volley Art
06-16-2006, 06:56 AM
You ask Roger what he's doing with Roche, he tells you five different things. I think he just wants someone there when he's practicing, really. Whatever they're doing, it's working.

I just wish I could've seen a Federer-Rafter Wimby match. That would've been amazing.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 04:23 AM
The old problem, it was very fast before and watching serveathons isn't tennis, now people don't like it cause it's too slow.

Kolya
07-05-2007, 04:47 AM
Wilander could have won Wimbledon the way the courts are today.

But he is right...