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15 days: French Open will start on Sunday in 2006, other Grand Slams to follow

Neely
09-19-2005, 12:56 AM
one day longer, probably for marketing purposes

Fee
09-19-2005, 02:07 AM
What? Where did you read this?

Booooo! Hisssssssssssssssssss! I don't want the other slams to get US Open disease (doing everything for money and only money).

alfonsojose
09-19-2005, 02:32 AM
If that would mean no Super Saturday at USO, i'd be happy but .. :rolleyes:

vogus
09-19-2005, 03:52 AM
What? Where did you read this?

Booooo! Hisssssssssssssssssss! I don't want the other slams to get US Open disease (doing everything for money and only money).


Maybe they're doing it because it's better for the fans as well as the tournie? Sunday is a heck of a lot more convenient day for people to attend an afternoon session. God forbid they should make more money AND provide a better value to the fans, right?

ezekiel
09-19-2005, 04:10 AM
I think it's great to cram more matches on weekend and less during the week

Beforehand
09-19-2005, 04:34 AM
But Wimby's scheduling is already PERFECT.

**whines**

BigboyDan
09-19-2005, 05:11 AM
Nope.

Roland Garros starts Monday 29 May 2006 and ends 11 June 2006 (Prochain rendez-vous du 29 mai au 11 juin 2006).

http://www.fft.fr/rolandgarros/fr/Frame_RG.html

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-19-2005, 05:44 AM
WTF??!! I want it to be for the AO... would be nice for the people in europe.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 09:39 AM
http://go.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=tennisNews&storyID=9684260

French Open to start on Sunday from next year

PARIS, Sept 18 (Reuters) - The French Open will start on a Sunday instead of a Monday from next year as part of a general plan to stage all grand slams over 15 days instead of 14, French Tennis Federation (FFT) president Christian Bimes said on Sunday.

"The tournament will last 15 days from 2006, which is great news for the promotion of tennis," Bimes said after this weekend's Fed Cup final between France and Russia at Roland Garros which set an attendance record.

The centre court's 15,000 seats were packed on Saturday and Sunday for a tie Russia won 3-2.

The idea of an extra weekend day at grand slam events is to boost ticket sales and television audiences.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 09:42 AM
These clowns have also given into giving the women equal prizemoney, at least that's one thing I will give Wimbledon and good for them.

Yes, the website needs to be updated if this is the case and 15 days for a Slam is crap and it's not needed, next it will be Super Saturday for Roland Garros.

From what I also read it's only 12 matches will take place on the three showcourts on the first Sunday. Yay! it's all about the fans.

MariaV
09-19-2005, 09:53 AM
Yeah right, it's all about the fans. :rolleyes: What next?
And what about attention for the tournaments ending before the GSs start, some of them already have finals on Saturday, don't they need more spectators and coverage at the weekend? :confused:
I don't like it one bit. :(

basil333
09-19-2005, 10:00 AM
These clowns have also given into giving the women equal prizemoney, at least that's one thing I will give Wimbledon and good for them.

Yes, the website needs to be updated if this is the case and 15 days for a Slam is crap and it's not needed, next it will be Super Saturday for Roland Garros.

From what I also read it's only 12 matches will take place on the three showcourts on the first Sunday. Yay! it's all about the fans.

Interesting...
You have just described this year's "new" format to Charity day... - matches only took place on the showcourts... so thats what their plan was....

IMHO French Open already has 15 days of tennis - as they have the Benny Barthuei (sp) Charity day on that Sunday. NO real change then.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 10:04 AM
Yeah right, it's all about the fans. :rolleyes: What next?
And what about attention for the tournaments ending before the GSs start, some of them already have finals on Saturday, don't they need more spectators and coverage at the weekend? :confused:
I don't like it one bit. :(

Well it's not like the clay doesn't need extra attention and yes the best thing is probably the winner and finalists in St Pölten and Düsseldorf will play their 1st round matches on Sunday.

basil, I wonder if they still will have Charity day, instead of it actually being serious.

TheBoiledEgg
09-19-2005, 10:04 AM
so whats next

the previous weeks tournaments now have to finish on a Friday

and then guess what.......

"oh look the Saturday is free as well" :rolleyes:

what great thinking by the idiotic money men.

MariaV
09-19-2005, 10:11 AM
so whats next

the previous weeks tournaments now have to finish on a Friday

and then guess what.......

"oh look the Saturday is free as well" :rolleyes:

what great thinking by the idiotic money men.
Exactly. :(

vincayou
09-19-2005, 10:52 AM
It's good to be able to see one more day of tennis. Some tennis fan are working during the week. I'm happy about it.

BigboyDan
09-19-2005, 11:11 AM
Sigh.

Relax.

There still will be no ATP or WTA players scheduled on that first Sunday.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 11:20 AM
Sigh.

Relax.

There still will be no ATP or WTA players scheduled on that first Sunday.

Actually it said 12 matches will be scheduled on the first Sunday and it won't be juniors or exhibitions.

BigboyDan
09-19-2005, 11:25 AM
Actually it said 12 matches will be scheduled on the first Sunday and it won't be juniors or exhibitions.

You're right - and those matches will not be with ATP players either.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 11:27 AM
You're right - and those matches will not be with ATP players either.

How can they be when the ITF run the Slams? If it's not juniors, wheelchairs or exhibition events then what are they then?

They won't be qualifying matches either.

BigboyDan
09-19-2005, 11:43 AM
The ITF runs the Slams, but they don't run the ATP. There is no agreement between the ITF and the ATP to have ATP players starting on Sunday at the Slams, and there won't be. The ATP has asked, each year and every year, for an increase in overall prize money from the Slams, they have been refused the last several years in a row (that I know of). The ATP will NOT participate in any change in schedule without a renegotiated contract; the ITF and the professional players have been fighting a "cold-war" consistantly since 1973 over what each demands from each other.

The ITF is just saying that the tournament is going to start "officially" so they can open the gates, sell more tickets, get one more weeked day on television, and still be covered by insurance - they'll trot out the over 35's or something.

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 11:58 AM
The ITF is just saying that the tournament is going to start "officially" so they can open the gates, sell more tickets, get one more weeked day on television, and still be covered by insurance - they'll trot out the over 35's or something.

That could make sense, but that would be too easy. If it was oldies then that wouldn't be so bad, but who knows what they will put on the Sunday.

buddyholly
09-19-2005, 12:42 PM
The ITF is just saying that the tournament is going to start "officially" so they can open the gates, sell more tickets, get one more weeked day on television, and still be covered by insurance - they'll trot out the over 35's or something.

Calm down. Do you think TV will sign a contract without knowing who will be playing? I doubt if the networks would care about a First Sunday, but cable would, and they would not sign a contract for over 35 matches.

TheBoiledEgg
09-19-2005, 02:36 PM
so they gonna trot out the oldies on the sunday before the tourn :o
and then they gonna keep them off the courts for another week as their tournament dont start until week 2

i can really see big Mouth Mac agreeing to that one :lol:

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 02:59 PM
so they gonna trot out the oldies on the sunday before the tourn :o
and then they gonna keep them off the courts for another week as their tournament dont start until week 2

i can really see big Mouth Mac agreeing to that one :lol:

Like that's going to work.

I think they will put the St Pölten champ as opening match on Sunday.

smucav
09-19-2005, 03:13 PM
http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=13876&bannerregion=Roland Garros Sets Sunday Start; Will Pay Equal Prize Money
By Tennis Week
09/19/2005

Roland Garros is growing and so is its prize money. The 2006 French Open will begin on Sunday, May 28th and will be contested over 15 days, rather than the traditional two weeks, concluding on Sunday, June 11th. The clay-court Grand Slam will also pay equal prize money to both men and women, joining the Australian Open and U.S. Open in awarding equal prize money, French Tennis Federation president Christian Bimes announced.

French Tennis Federation officials initially announced the plan to start Roland Garros on Sunday at the end of the event last June and have now officially finalized the schedule.

The move to 15 days is expected to be adopted by some of the other majors, including the U.S. Open, in the coming years. In addition to providing additional revenue from an extra day of ticket sales, starting the tournament on a Sunday increases television exposure on a day in which more people typically tune in to televised sports. The French Tennis Federation plans to schedule 12 matches on its three stadium show courts on the opening Sunday.

"We consider it something positive for tennis because the TV audiences on Sunday afternoon is five million viewers," Bimes said. "But when you see the audience on a Monday, the first day of the tournament, it is 1.2 million viewers and then goes to two million. If we start on a Sunday, we will have five million viewers."

Roland Garros' decision to pay men and women equal prize money means Wimbledon will be the only Grand Slam tournament to pay men more prize money than women in 2006.

"By taking this decision on the parity of prize money for the winners of the singles, the French Tennis Federation (FFT) wishes to keep a role as leader in the development of women's sport in Europe," Bimes said.

The All England Club has been criticized by the WTA Tour for the inequity in prize money policy. WTA Tour CEO Larry Scott has said achieving equal prize money for women at Slams is "a top priority for the WTA Tour and its membership."

"I remain convinced that the quality and depth of play demonstrated by women's professional tennis players, combined with the global popularity and media interest in our players merits equal prize money at the Grand Slams," Scott said. "I reject the notion that an unequal compensation system that distinguishes between men and women at Grand Slams is 'fair'."

The All England Club has defended the disparity by arguing that the men's best-of-five set singles format is significantly longer than the women's best-of-three set singles matches and therefore men are entitled to more money because they are working longer on the court. Additionally, All England Club chairman Tim Phillips has said the All England Club's annual survey of fans attending Wimbledon supports that fact that more fans are interested in men's tennis than women's tennis and men should be compensated for their greater drawing power.

"We like to think our prize money is driven by market data and fairness," Phillips said. "The situation is that the women play much shorter matches."

It's an argument that the WTA Tour counters with its claim that while women's matches are shorter the fact that men produce more aces and generally play shorter points on grass means that in some cases the ball is actually in play longer in a women's match than a men's match. Scott has suggested that the statistics provided by the All England Club are subjectively slanted to support the Club's case for continued inequality.

"It is unfortunate that Wimbledon chose today to argue against equality based upon subjective and selective use of data," Scott said. "I do not believe that it is productive to address the specific statements made by Wimbledon, but I look forward to the day when Wimbledon joins the more progressive Grand Slams that have provided leadership on this important issue and recognized the value of women's tennis and the inherent fairness in awarding equal prize money."

*julie*
09-19-2005, 04:34 PM
One more day of tennis...why complaining???
Every year, I miss many matches because of my work! :mad: At least, I will be able to watch some firts round on Sunday! :D
But will the Benny Berthet day be scheduled on saturday then?

TheBoiledEgg
09-19-2005, 04:51 PM
but Eurosport sucks on a Sunday
they show about 1 hours tennis :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
09-19-2005, 04:58 PM
One more day of tennis...why complaining???
Every year, I miss many matches because of my work! :mad: At least, I will be able to watch some firts round on Sunday! :D
But will the Benny Berthet day be scheduled on saturday then?

They really care about fans and someone has to pay for the renevations of RG. The extra coverage won't be any good anyway, what are they going to wheel out for those matches.

Yes, they are going to have more viewers with less matches, watching thrashings occur that makes sense.

The reason tennis on Sunday works in a Slam is it's the start of the 4th round and the mens final all more attractive than watching someone get the crap beaten out of them.

Jimnik
09-19-2005, 05:15 PM
The All England Club has been criticized by the WTA Tour for the inequity in prize money policy. WTA Tour CEO Larry Scott has said achieving equal prize money for women at Slams is "a top priority for the WTA Tour and its membership."

"I remain convinced that the quality and depth of play demonstrated by women's professional tennis players, combined with the global popularity and media interest in our players merits equal prize money at the Grand Slams," Scott said. "I reject the notion that an unequal compensation system that distinguishes between men and women at Grand Slams is 'fair'."

The All England Club has defended the disparity by arguing that the men's best-of-five set singles format is significantly longer than the women's best-of-three set singles matches and therefore men are entitled to more money because they are working longer on the court. Additionally, All England Club chairman Tim Phillips has said the All England Club's annual survey of fans attending Wimbledon supports that fact that more fans are interested in men's tennis than women's tennis and men should be compensated for their greater drawing power.

"We like to think our prize money is driven by market data and fairness," Phillips said. "The situation is that the women play much shorter matches."

It's an argument that the WTA Tour counters with its claim that while women's matches are shorter the fact that men produce more aces and generally play shorter points on grass means that in some cases the ball is actually in play longer in a women's match than a men's match. Scott has suggested that the statistics provided by the All England Club are subjectively slanted to support the Club's case for continued inequality.

"It is unfortunate that Wimbledon chose today to argue against equality based upon subjective and selective use of data," Scott said. "I do not believe that it is productive to address the specific statements made by Wimbledon, but I look forward to the day when Wimbledon joins the more progressive Grand Slams that have provided leadership on this important issue and recognized the value of women's tennis and the inherent fairness in awarding equal prize money."
I couldn't agree less with this Larry Scott. He keeps barking on about "fairness". The only fair thing to do would be to increase the prize money gap.

The truth is that if they ran 2 seperate Wimbledon tournaments, for mens and womens tennis, the mens' event would generate a lot more money.

vogus
09-19-2005, 05:16 PM
The ITF runs the Slams, but they don't run the ATP. There is no agreement between the ITF and the ATP to have ATP players starting on Sunday at the Slams, and there won't be. The ATP has asked, each year and every year, for an increase in overall prize money from the Slams, they have been refused the last several years in a row (that I know of). The ATP will NOT participate in any change in schedule without a renegotiated contract; the ITF and the professional players have been fighting a "cold-war" consistantly since 1973 over what each demands from each other.

The ITF is just saying that the tournament is going to start "officially" so they can open the gates, sell more tickets, get one more weeked day on television, and still be covered by insurance - they'll trot out the over 35's or something.


the ATP and the WTA will both knuckle under because they don't really have a choice, and anyway it ultimately means more money for them. When it comes to scheduling, the Slams make the rules.

jtipson
09-19-2005, 05:52 PM
I'm pretty sure Wimbledon won't do this. They already elect not to play on the middle Sunday so that the community gets a rest from all the traffic, and there would likely be plenty of local objections if they tried to start playing the previous Sunday.

revolution
09-19-2005, 06:41 PM
Silly idea, it's tinkering with a perfectly fine formula.

smucav
09-19-2005, 07:12 PM
ATP reaction:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/en/media/2005ITW/ATPTennisWeekly31.pdfTHE FRENCH
Tennis Federation (FFT) announced on Sunday that the 2006 Roland Garros tournament would be expanded to 15 days. Play will begin on Sunday, May 28 with 12 matches (six men’s and six women’s singles matches) on three show courts. ATP interim Chief Executive Officer Flip Galloway said: ”The ATP, as per its mission statement, is committed to creatively and professionally leading the worldwide growth of the game. This FFT initiative has positives that will help promote tennis with additional exposure for our players. However, there are still some considerations and concerns regarding the benefits to our player and tournament members that need to be addressed. We are confident that we will reach a satisfying solution."

NYCtennisfan
09-20-2005, 02:16 AM
Interesting. I will help if there is any rain during the tourny. It will be strange seeing a Slam start on Sunday.

ys
09-20-2005, 02:25 AM
Excellent idea.. We'll have another weekend of Grand Slam tennis.. :)

Whistleway
09-20-2005, 05:44 PM
brilliant stuff. wonder why it took them so long. I daresay, even start on saturday.

Cervantes
09-20-2005, 06:08 PM
I'm not sure. The extra day means more tennis on tv, which is good. But on the other hand sometimes those first couple of rounds can be really boring, especially on the women's side. So to stretch the first round to 3 days might not be the best idea.

Personally I'd like it to stay the same, but from a tennis marketing point of view I see the positives in this.

*Ljubica*
09-20-2005, 08:21 PM
I think it's a great idea. As posters have said here already - many people can't get to watch live tennis on a weekday because of work or school, and it gives the fans a chance to watch top players in Grand Slam action without having to lose money from missing work or whatever. As for Benny Berthet Day - I'm sure it could be moved to Saturday, - and although it can be quite a fun day - I'm sure most tennis fans would prefer to spend their Sunday watching "real" matches in the 1st round of a Grand Slam, than meaningless exhibitions.

enqvistfan
09-20-2005, 08:30 PM
Personally, I disagree with that. We know that it's purely marketing and not for the tennis fans. We know how the President of the French Federation works !!!! We heard some rumours about that just after Roland-Garros this year, but didn't think that it would be ok for next year. I really hope that they'll keep the Benny Berthet day, cause it's a great day of tennis, I think it will be moved on sat. And, for the players who will be in final in Dusseldorf or San Polten, I think they'll play on monday or tuesday. The problem is that we'll have maybe the first round on three days like the US OPEN, so a bit complicated. Well, we'll see... We'll tell you that :)