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Federer, Safin and Nadal

RonE
09-18-2005, 02:15 PM
We now have an interesting situation in men's tennis whereby three players are the current holders of all the Slams TMS events and TMC.

Australian Open- Marat Safin
Indian Wells- Roger Federer
Miami- Roger Federer
Monte Carlo- Rafael Nadal
Rome- Rafael Nadal
Hamburg- Roger Federer
French Open- Rafael Nadal
Wimbledon- Roger Federer
Montreal- Rafael Nadal
Cincinnati- Roger Federer
U.S. Open- Roger Federer
Madrid- Marat Safin
Paris Indoors- Marat Safin
TMC/YEC- Roger Federer

Considering the depth in men's tennis nowadays I find it to be a staggering achievement by those players. The last time a similair situation occured was 10 years ago in late 1995 just before the TMC in Frankfurt when there were four holders. The only so called 'fly in the ointment' back then was Andrei Medvedev who won Hamburg:

Australian Open- Andre Agassi
Indian Wells- Pete Sampras
Miami- Andre Agassi
Monte Carlo- Thomas Muster
Hamburg- Andrei Medvedev
Rome- Thomas Muster
French Open- Thomas Muster
Wimbledon- Pete Sampras
Montreal- Andre Agassi
Cincinnati- Andre Agassi
U.S. Open- Pete Sampras
Essen- Thomas Muster
Paris Indoors- Pete Sampras
TMC/YEC- Pete Sampras

Of course, Becker went on to win the TMC that year and he was the second 'fly in the ointment'

I am just thinking 2005 could be the year in which all the required titles were collectively won by the fewest number of players since the inception of the ATP in 1990.

Wouldn't it be amazing if Federer, Safin and Nadal would go on to win the 2 remaining TMS events and TMC titles between them?

MisterQ
09-18-2005, 02:28 PM
interesting observation, Ron! I never would have predicted such a situation a few years ago, when so many different players were splitting up all the big titles.

WF4EVER
09-18-2005, 02:32 PM
Actually, it would be great if Federer went on to win the next two Tennis Masters Events as well as the year-ending chamionship. Damn, I'm just a greedy witch.

I don't mind Marat winning another title but I think he should go under the knife immediately and forget about tennis for the rest of the year. He's just prolonging the inevitable and probably endangering his career as well.

amierin
09-18-2005, 02:37 PM
Very interesting post. And with Rafa winning China today he and FedEx are tied at 10 titles each. An amazing feat for both men.

ETA I don't think Marat will, or should play anymore this year.

RonE
09-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Very interesting post. And with Rafa winning China today he and FedEx are tied at 10 titles each. An amazing feat for both men.


Yes, I started another thread which no one has responded too yet about that. So I will pose the same question here: when was the last time 2 or more players won 10+ titles each in a single calendar year?

MisterQ
09-18-2005, 02:45 PM
This makes you realize what a frustrating year it must be for Hewitt, who has had great results (hardly lost before the quarters in any tournament --- 2 SF and a F in the three majors he played) but doesn't have a big title.

amierin
09-18-2005, 02:51 PM
Yes, I started another thread which no one has responded too yet about that. So I will pose the same question here: when was the last time 2 or more players won 10+ titles each in a single calendar year?

I've been a tennis fan for a long time and I don't remember any year where this has happened before.

Not only Hewitt must be frustrated. Roddick had failed to live up to his potential (hype some will say). Monfils, Murray, Gasquet and Jenkins are a year or two away from the level of play shown by Nadal and Federer. Safin is injured and may not play again this year. Young is two to three years away depending on when he has his growth spurt(and loses his attitude until he has a reason to have one).

I'm sure someone will find the real answer but right now two men sit on top of mens tennis and I have to say its exciting to think what next year will bring.

RonE
09-18-2005, 03:07 PM
Well, Hewitt seems to be a consistent member of the 2nd ring of tennis- whereby the first and innermost ring consists of the slam winners and other major title holders. While he is a consistent performer in those events he always gets taken out by an inner ring player each and every time. The only way I see him winning a big one again is if there are many upsets and he doesn't have to face any of those players.

amierin
09-18-2005, 03:14 PM
Well, Hewitt seems to be a consistent member of the 2nd ring of tennis- whereby the first and innermost ring consists of the slam winners and other major title holders. While he is a consistent performer in those events he always gets taken out by an inner ring player each and every time. The only way I see him winning a big one again is if there are many upsets and he doesn't have to face any of those players.

Kinda like Roddick huh? Seriously though there are the top two and everyone else right now. If Safin gets better he'll be the third leg of the triangle. On a good day where he's focused and ready I think Safin can beat anybody.

Billabong
09-18-2005, 03:17 PM
Kinda like Roddick huh? Seriously though there are the top two and everyone else right now. If Safin gets better he'll be the third leg of the triangle. On a good day where he's focused and ready I think Safin can beat anybody.

I agree:)

ragazza
09-18-2005, 03:31 PM
Safin's just great, but with terrible mantality..every1 knows it nomatter if he's 2 or 20 years old..he just shows it non-stop... i h8 this.... but it seems like he has some work to do to save those points, 'cause i dun think Rafi and Rogi will give easy points(i think it'll be a big fight most between those 2, well i'd like it Marat to get in the fight ,but...)

BlackSilver
09-18-2005, 03:31 PM
Indeed, very impressive that this is happening. Three years ago, I never thought that the winners's circle of the major tournaments would be so restricted. The "2nd ring of tennis" is probably formed by Hewitt, Roddick and Coria in the moment

R.Federer
09-18-2005, 03:36 PM
Nice findings Ron.

Still, people are complaining that Roge = domination of tennis? :confused:
This shows it is not so complete domination. There are two others

jenanun
09-18-2005, 03:37 PM
and by next year after the australian open, all slam and master titles will be held by only 2 players....

Timariot
09-18-2005, 03:41 PM
and by next year after the australian open, all slam and master titles will be held by only 2 players....

Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side...

Nacho
09-18-2005, 03:42 PM
it would be perfect if Safin gets to win the remaining 2 AMS (as he did last year) so only these 3 share the big titles

RonE
09-18-2005, 03:49 PM
Indeed, very impressive that this is happening. Three years ago, I never thought that the winners's circle of the major tournaments would be so restricted. The "2nd ring of tennis" is probably formed by Hewitt, Roddick and Coria in the moment

I think I would also add Agassi's name to that list. He did lose to the Ring 1 players after all in the events in which he went deep: Federer at AO, Miami and USO (QF, SF and F respectively) and Nadal in Montreal (F).

Grinder
09-18-2005, 04:06 PM
The funny thing is that this year is considered a bad year but look at the highlights of the year for him:

Australian Open Semifinalist
Wimbledon Finalist
Cincinatti Finalist
Winner: Houston, London / Queen's Club, Washington, San Jose

$1.5 Million in Prize Money

It's just that he's so overshadowed by Nadal and Federer right now.

BlackSilver
09-18-2005, 04:10 PM
I think I would also add Agassi's name to that list. He did lose to the Ring 1 players after all in the events in which he went deep: Federer at AO, Miami and USO (QF, SF and F respectively) and Nadal in Montreal (F).

I agree

R.Federer
09-18-2005, 04:13 PM
The funny thing is that this year is considered a bad year but look at the highlights of the year for him:

Australian Open Semifinalist
Wimbledon Finalist
Cincinatti Finalist
Winner: Houston, London / Queen's Club, Washington, San Jose

$1.5 Million in Prize Money

It's just that he's so overshadowed by Nadal and Federer right now.

Yes because for the Number 3 player in world, the standards for "good year" and "bad year" are judged by big tournament wins. Similarly for leyton (One final and two semi finales in Slams - better than andi) it also seems good to everyone else, but probably leyton will not think so.

leyton and andi have been #2 and #3 at some points of this year but no slam win, no T.M.S. wins and then small tournament wins (Queens is bigger, though), does not seem "proportional" to their ranking in the world.

Havok
09-18-2005, 05:51 PM
It would be awesome, yet boring/predictable at the same time :p.

Jimena
09-18-2005, 06:32 PM
In his title wins, has Nadal played any of the top 5 players? He's played Roger and Agassi, en route to some of his wins. But anyone else?

nobama
09-18-2005, 11:09 PM
In his title wins, has Nadal played any of the top 5 players? He's played Roger and Agassi, en route to some of his wins. But anyone else?No, Fed is the only top 5 player he's beaten this year. The only other top 5 he played was Hewitt at AO. He has beaten three top 10 players this year - Gaudio, Puerta and Coria. Although Gaudio has now fallen out of the top 10.

Jimena
09-19-2005, 12:27 AM
No, Fed is the only top 5 player he's beaten this year. The only other top 5 he played was Hewitt at AO. He has beaten three top 10 players this year - Gaudio, Puerta and Coria. Although Gaudio has now fallen out of the top 10.

Huh. Interesting. And how does that compare with the players Safin and Fed had to beat en route to their titles? I'm not questioning anyone's achievements. I'm just curious.

Was Puerta in the top 10 when he got to the RG finals?

nkhera1
09-19-2005, 02:46 AM
Safin's just great, but with terrible mantality..every1 knows it nomatter if he's 2 or 20 years old..he just shows it non-stop... i h8 this.... but it seems like he has some work to do to save those points, 'cause i dun think Rafi and Rogi will give easy points(i think it'll be a big fight most between those 2, well i'd like it Marat to get in the fight ,but...)

Yeah Safin is the only guy who can beat Fed when he is playing his best and he is the only guy who can lose to a player out of the 100 when he is playing his worst.

dukeblue5
09-19-2005, 04:12 AM
No, Fed is the only top 5 player he's beaten this year. The only other top 5 he played was Hewitt at AO. He has beaten three top 10 players this year - Gaudio, Puerta and Coria. Although Gaudio has now fallen out of the top 10.

Agassi...

RonE
09-19-2005, 10:22 AM
Agassi...

Well Agassi was not top five at the time he beat him but quality wise he certainly has played like a top fiver.

As for Safin, last year he beat Nalbandian and Agassi in Madrid (although I don't think they were top 5 at the time but certainly top 10) and Hewitt in Paris.

At the AO he beat Roger and Lleyton who were #1 and #3 respectively.

MariaV
09-19-2005, 10:36 AM
I so hope Marat can come back strong. :)

ys
09-19-2005, 01:16 PM
Yeah Safin is the only guy who can beat Fed when he is playing his best

Bullshit.. From what i saw so far, at this point Federer doesn't have an answer for Nadal's game on slow courts..

Experimentee
09-19-2005, 01:31 PM
Yes, I started another thread which no one has responded too yet about that. So I will pose the same question here: when was the last time 2 or more players won 10+ titles each in a single calendar year?

Its says on atptennis that in 1981 McEnroe and Lendl won 10 titles each.

PamV
09-19-2005, 02:02 PM
Actually, it would be great if Federer went on to win the next two Tennis Masters Events as well as the year-ending chamionship. Damn, I'm just a greedy witch.

I don't mind Marat winning another title but I think he should go under the knife immediately and forget about tennis for the rest of the year. He's just prolonging the inevitable and probably endangering his career as well.

Yes, I'd love for Roger to win Madrid, Paris, and TMC. It is greedy but one can't help but think of that. I think Paris is on carpet so Roger should have an advantage there.

It doesn't seem like Marat should play any more this year, but he might not be able to resist the TMC.