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Ferrero vs. Nadal....

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2005, 12:34 AM
Who will win this one? Nadal doesn't seem to be playing very well right now but I doubt he wants to lose to JCF. This could be a big win for JCF if he can get it.

Fergie
09-17-2005, 12:44 AM
Vamos Juanqui!!! :bounce:

lilfairyprincess
09-17-2005, 12:46 AM
vamos rafa!!! :)

PaulieM
09-17-2005, 12:48 AM
good luck jc!! :D

Scotso
09-17-2005, 01:09 AM
I don't really care, I love them both, and JC is due a big win, but in all honesty, Rafael is going to kill him.

hablovah19
09-17-2005, 01:09 AM
vamos jcf!!! :bounce:

1sun
09-17-2005, 01:11 AM
rafa will crush him

Jimnik
09-17-2005, 01:26 AM
I hope these are really fast courts, for JC's sake. Rafa was clearly more vulnerable at Wimbledon and the US Open where he couldn't chase everything down.

Rafa might not be 100% because he had to play 2 matches yesterday. This is probably JC's best chance to beat him, before he improves even further.

I reckon JC will win in 3 sets.

myggen
09-17-2005, 02:00 AM
Nadal is clearly vulnerable on fast courts, which we saw yesterday against mediocre opponents like Gimelstob and Wessels. He has been relying too much on his speed to chase down balls and has forgotten that it is easier to put pressure on the opponents with his own shots. I would say both his forehand and backhand are ugly, and he needs to improve a lot. It will only be a matter of time before his opponents won't let him intimidate them with his andrenaline and instead step up and hit winners off his mid court ground strokes. If I were Nadal's coach I would make him hit flatter, cause we don't have to worry that he won't hit with topspin. His Sharapova like forehand where his raquet finishes above his head is at best ugly, and I would say bad technically speaking.

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2005, 02:29 AM
This is probably JC's best chance to beat him, before he improves even further.

Totally agree. This might be JCF's best shot to get a win over Nadal.

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2005, 02:31 AM
Nadal is clearly vulnerable on fast courts, which we saw yesterday against mediocre opponents like Gimelstob and Wessels. He has been relying too much on his speed to chase down balls and has forgotten that it is easier to put pressure on the opponents with his own shots. I would say both his forehand and backhand are ugly, and he needs to improve a lot. It will only be a matter of time before his opponents won't let him intimidate them with his andrenaline and instead step up and hit winners off his mid court ground strokes. If I were Nadal's coach I would make him hit flatter, cause we don't have to worry that he won't hit with topspin. His Sharapova like forehand where his raquet finishes above his head is at best ugly, and I would say bad technically speaking.

Completely agree except for the ugly aesthetics. It's not pretty but I don't find it ugly. You are spot on about the intimadation factor though. Rafa really needs to go on the offensive and not let someone get hot and blow him off of the court. The good thing for Rafa is that thee are only a few players in my nind who can actually do it although it's not a good sign when Gimelstob gave him so much trouble.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-17-2005, 03:04 AM
Rafa in straight sets.

Billabong
09-17-2005, 04:39 AM
This win would be very important for JC's confidence, even more than the win against Nalbandian:) It will be tough, but JC can do it:yeah: GOOOOOO JCCCCCCC:banana:!!!

adee-gee
09-17-2005, 09:50 AM
JCF seemingly doesn't like playing Rafa judging by the h2h. Rafa in 3 sets.

Papakori
09-17-2005, 09:57 AM
Ferrero I think

Ferrero Forever
09-17-2005, 10:00 AM
FERRERO

adee-gee
09-17-2005, 10:01 AM
FERRERO

Did you need to put it in bold and underline it to attempt to convince yourself :o

Norrage
09-17-2005, 10:06 AM
Did you need to put it in bold and underline it to attempt to convince yourself :o
Do you care?


Anyway, I think Ferrero will win basing on this tournaments matches and Nadal playing on hard court(and this one is quite fast I think)

Ferrero Forever
09-17-2005, 10:08 AM
Did you need to put it in bold and underline it to attempt to convince yourself :o
A name like that deserves to be underlined and bolded. Just trying to get my point across.

adee-gee
09-17-2005, 10:10 AM
A name like that deserves to be underlined and bolded. Just trying to get my point across.

:lol: ok. If I have a son I want to call him Juan. I like the name. Except its not very British :p

Ferrero Forever
09-17-2005, 10:21 AM
:lol: ok. If I have a son I want to call him Juan. I like the name. Except its not very British :p
haha yeah thats true. I actually prefer Carlos to Juan though.

Deivid23
09-17-2005, 10:24 AM
I wish Ferrero will be Nadal´s pigeon for life, please Rafa, I want to make you 20-0 from that h2h, you´d better win today...

Action Jackson
09-17-2005, 10:29 AM
Well next week they'll be on the same team, but today I wonder if Ferrero can turn his record around against Nadal.

Corinna
09-17-2005, 10:32 AM
:woohoo: :woohoo: vamos jc :)

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 10:57 AM
Yesterday Ferrero was 1 hour and 50 min on court on the other hand Nadal almost 4 hours, so Ferrero should be in a better physical condition than Nadal, plus Nadal ended his day at 11:30 PM and Ferrero before 8 PM

iliketennis
09-17-2005, 11:24 AM
:woohoo: Juanqui has this one in the bag :)

Exodus
09-17-2005, 12:08 PM
even Nadal isn't 100% JCF has no chance LOL

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 01:02 PM
:woohoo: Juanqui has this one in the bag :)

Surely Ferrero's bag has a hole

Deivid23
09-17-2005, 01:04 PM
I wish Ferrero will be Nadal´s pigeon for life, please Rafa, I want to make you 20-0 from that h2h, you´d better win today...

Nadal leads 4-0 in h2h (9 to nil in sets) :dance:

gebl
09-17-2005, 01:07 PM
Good to see Rafa proving the doubters wrong again

yomike
09-17-2005, 01:12 PM
Loser. Why did I ever support him.

vincayou
09-17-2005, 01:13 PM
Good to see Rafa proving the doubters wrong again

Yeah like in his last tournament. :tape:

tennisinparis
09-17-2005, 01:15 PM
Good to see Rafa proving the doubters wrong again

no kidding. everyone seems to think he is not good enough to be where he is and shouldn't be winning as much as he is. give me a break people.

Grinder
09-17-2005, 01:15 PM
Ferrero vs. Top 10 this year:

l. to Joachim Johansson 6-7 3-6

l. Guillermo Coria 3-6 2-6 1-6
l. 2-6 5-7
l. 3-6 0-6
def. 6-3 6-2

def. Marat Safin 6-2 6-4
def. 4-6 6-4 6-2
l. 6-7 5-7 6-1 6-7

l. to Rafael Nadal 1-6 2-6
l. 1-6 6-7 3-6
l. 3-6 3-6
l. 4-6 4-6

def. David Nalbandian 6-2 3-6 6-3

def. Gaston Gaudio 6-4 4-6 6-3

l. to Roger Federer 6-4 3-6 6-7
l. 3-6 4-6 6-7

def. Nikolay Davydenko 7-6 6-1
l. 6-3 2-6 1-6

l. to Andy Roddick 7-6 6-7 2--6

amierin
09-17-2005, 01:15 PM
Good win for Rafa.

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 01:15 PM
Nadal leads 4-0 in h2h (9 to nil in sets) :dance:

Nadal's 21st conscecutive victory against spaniards, with only 3 sets lost over 44 played

vincayou
09-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Nadal leads 4-0 in h2h (9 to nil in sets) :dance:

To be fair with JC, every spanish player is Rafa's pigeon right now. Verdasco by instance ( :devil: ;)) is 4-0 as well. I'll admit that Verdasco has more chance to improve it .

Action Jackson
09-17-2005, 01:17 PM
Nadal leads 4-0 in h2h (9 to nil in sets) :dance:

One more match and he makes the great list.

Deivid23
09-17-2005, 01:19 PM
To be fair with JC, every spanish player is Rafa's pigeon right now. Verdasco by instance ( :devil: ;)) is 4-0 as well. I'll admit that Verdasco has more chance to improve it .

Yeah fair enough, but I hope (and think) Verdasco will improve that h2h some day, and I have a very funny feeling about JCF´s chances :lol:

Deivid23
09-17-2005, 01:20 PM
One more match and he makes the great list.

I´ll gladly update that list when this occurs :D

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 01:22 PM
Ferrero vs. Top 10 this year:

l. to Joachim Johansson 6-7 3-6

l. Guillermo Coria 3-6 2-6 1-6
l. 2-6 5-7
l. 3-6 0-6
def. 6-3 6-2

def. Marat Safin 6-2 6-4
def. 4-6 6-4 6-2
l. 6-7 5-7 6-1 6-7

l. to Rafael Nadal 1-6 2-6
l. 1-6 6-7 3-6
l. 3-6 3-6
l. 4-6 4-6

def. David Nalbandian 6-2 3-6 6-3

def. Gaston Gaudio 6-4 4-6 6-3

l. to Roger Federer 6-4 3-6 6-7
l. 3-6 4-6 6-7

def. Nikolay Davydenko 7-6 6-1
l. 6-3 2-6 1-6

l. to Andy Roddick 7-6 6-7 2--6

At the two first meetings Nadal-Ferrero Rafa wasn't a top 10 yet

vincayou
09-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Yeah fair enough, but I hope (and think) Verdasco will improve that h2h some day, and I have a very funny feeling about JCF´s chances :lol:

Guess who is the only spanish player of the current top 50 with a winning H2H against Nadal? :lol: Lopez!
Ferrer : 3-1
Robredo : 1-0
Ferrero : 4-0
Lopez : 0-1
Moya : 2-1
Verdasco : 4-0

Grinder
09-17-2005, 01:30 PM
Lopez will probably keep it like that if they play on faster services.

Deivid23
09-17-2005, 01:35 PM
Guess who is the only spanish player of the current top 50 with a winning H2H against Nadal? :lol: Lopez!
Ferrer : 3-1
Robredo : 1-0
Ferrero : 4-0
Lopez : 0-1
Moya : 2-1
Verdasco : 4-0

I know. And what is funnier I think LaLo has also beaten him on clay (non ATP event). Rafa is a kind person, I guess

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 01:43 PM
Guess who is the only spanish player of the current top 50 with a winning H2H against Nadal? :lol: Lopez!
Ferrer : 3-1
Robredo : 1-0
Ferrero : 4-0
Lopez : 0-1
Moya : 2-1
Verdasco : 4-0

Counting all matches ,that is, ATP, challengers, spanish official competitions ( pro competitions not juniors ) and exhibition tournaments , the head to head is

Verdasco : 6-0
Ferrer : 6-1
Moya: 5-1
Ferrero: 4-0
Robredo : 2-0
Lopez: 1-2 ( All matches played in 2003, this fact explains this surprising record )

Raquel
09-17-2005, 03:59 PM
Ferrero vs. Top 10 this year:

l. to Joachim Johansson 6-7 3-6

l. Guillermo Coria 3-6 2-6 1-6
l. 2-6 5-7
l. 3-6 0-6
def. 6-3 6-2

def. Marat Safin 6-2 6-4
def. 4-6 6-4 6-2
l. 6-7 5-7 6-1 6-7

l. to Rafael Nadal 1-6 2-6
l. 1-6 6-7 3-6
l. 3-6 3-6
l. 4-6 4-6

def. David Nalbandian 6-2 3-6 6-3

def. Gaston Gaudio 6-4 4-6 6-3

l. to Roger Federer 6-4 3-6 6-7
l. 3-6 4-6 6-7

def. Nikolay Davydenko 7-6 6-1
l. 6-3 2-6 1-6

l. to Andy Roddick 7-6 6-7 2--6
That's a respectable record for JC this year considering he spent the first 7 months of the year outside the top 30 (going as low as 98 at one point). He had match points against Roger in Dubai making him the only person who has managed to have match points against Roger on anything faster than Rebound Ace this year (that's a bit trivial but technically true :p). He won more games than Andy did against Roger at Wimbledon and was only two points away from beating Andy in Cincinatti, so some of his losses were pretty close. Nadal has his number though at the moment and the Coria win in Montreal at least stopped his run of losses to him.

He's back in the top 20 now in the entry rankings for the first time since October 2004. He has nothing the to defend the rest of the year. He only has to defend a 3rd round at the Australian Open and a 4th round in Miami between now and Monte Carlo (the rest were 1st/2nd round losses so he can improve there too), so thing's are looking up for JC :) And he can still qualify for Shanghai. As long as it's mathematically possible, it can happen :p
Vamos JC :hug: [/positive spin] :devil:

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 04:42 PM
That's a respectable record for JC this year considering he spent the first 7 months of the year outside the top 30 (going as low as 98 at one point). He had match points against Roger in Dubai making him the only person who has managed to have match points against Roger on anything faster than Rebound Ace this year (that's a bit trivial but technically true :p). He won more games than Andy did against Roger at Wimbledon and was only two points away from beating Andy in Cincinatti, so some of his losses were pretty close. Nadal has his number though at the moment and the Coria win in Montreal at least stopped his run of losses to him.

I think you use the results being very biased in favour of Ferrero.

I could say that in Dubai first round Ivo Minar was close to beat Roger ( Federer won 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(5) ) and this fact only shows Federer suffered the transition indoor (Rotterdam)-outdoors(Dubai) and he wasn't at his best in Dubai as he admitted, also he was tired after Rotterdam. In fact i would say Dubai was the week in the whole season when Federer was most vulnerable

I could say that in Wimblendon Kiefer was able to win a set against Federer on the other hand Ferrero wasn't and also i could say that Hewitt and Gonzalez won the same number of games than Ferrero when they faced Federer.

Raquel
09-17-2005, 04:50 PM
I think you use the results being very biased in favour of Ferrero.

I could say that in Dubai first round Ivo Minar was close to beat Roger ( Federer won 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(5) ) and this fact only shows Federer suffered the transition indoor (Rotterdam)-outdoors(Dubai) and he wasn't at his best in Dubai as he admitted, also he was tired after Rotterdam. In fact i would say Dubai was the week in the whole season when Federer was most vulnerable

I could say that in Wimblendon Kiefer was able to win a set against Federer on the other hand Ferrero wasn't and also i could say that Hewitt and Gonzalez won the same number of games than Ferrero when they faced Federer.
Yes that's all true. And I'm very biased ;)

What I said about his results against Roger was not to be taken too seriously. The main thing is he is back in the top 20 with little to defend until the clay court season and as long as he keeps rising, he won't be playing Federer, Roddick, Nadal etc. in 1R and 2R's anymore and hopefully next year he can start improving his record against the top 10 players.

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2005, 06:13 PM
Nadal-Coria should be a good one with Nadal pulling it out in 3 sets.

Chloe le Bopper
09-17-2005, 06:50 PM
I know. And what is funnier I think LaLo has also beaten him on clay (non ATP event). Rafa is a kind person, I guess

I remember that. It was a while ago, it doesn't count anymore :angel:

Jimnik
09-17-2005, 11:05 PM
Did anybody here see the match?

I have to say, Nadal did not look tired at all during this match. He was moving very well and played his best tennis today. I think he made only 1 unforced error in the 2nd set.

I actually thought JC was striking the ball very well with great power and top-spin, like the old JC. What was really disappointing was the way he tried to win (his tactics). He was playing right into Rafa's comfort zone all the time by sticking to the baseline and trying to win the point with winners from the back of the court. Everytime JC hit a great shot Rafa had time to chip the ball back and get back into position. JC hasn't forgotten how to strike the ball but he has forgotten how to construct a point. He let Rafa get to him and frustrate him today. If he keeps playing like that all the time, he'll never beat Rafa on any surface - especially clay.

Even though he's not a good volleyer, it would have been good to see him approach the net more often today. You can't give your opponent time to recover, Rafa has to be kept off-balance throughout a rally. I think the commentators noticed it too. I hope JC's coach sees this because it's the only part of his game which is lacking at the moment. Other than that, he's playing very well at the moment.

RogiFan88
09-18-2005, 02:27 AM
haha yeah thats true. I actually prefer Carlos to Juan though.

Juan is NOT the same name as JUAN CARLOS.

RogiFan88
09-18-2005, 02:33 AM
Guess who is the only spanish player of the current top 50 with a winning H2H against Nadal? :lol: Lopez!
Ferrer : 3-1
Robredo : 1-0
Ferrero : 4-0
Lopez : 0-1
Moya : 2-1
Verdasco : 4-0

What's even funnier is that Corretja, who is languishing way down at 237 in the rankings, has a 2-0 h-t-h vs. Nadal... hilarious! :p That's on clay and indoor.