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When they are both at their absolute best...

rogerfan4eva
09-17-2005, 12:01 AM
Who is better...Marat Safin or Roger Federer?

PaulieM
09-17-2005, 12:01 AM
this has been done a million times

rogerfan4eva
09-17-2005, 12:04 AM
Well excuse me. I haven't really been lurking here lately so how I am supposed to know?

PaulieM
09-17-2005, 12:05 AM
Well excuse me. I haven't really been lurking here lately so how I am supposed to know?
i know you're new so i wasn't expecting you to know, i was just telling you so that now you do. :)

rogerfan4eva
09-17-2005, 12:07 AM
Oh alright. I've actually never seen a post like this with the two being compared when they're at their best so...

(shrugs)

PaulieM
09-17-2005, 12:10 AM
Oh alright. I've actually never seen a post like this with the two being compared when they're at their best so...

(shrugs)
you can try using the search function to find old threads, although that doesn't always work.

janks
09-17-2005, 01:00 AM
yeah well, it sure was a tough search... typing safin federer better >>>

http://menstennisforums.com/showthr...ght=safin+feder

rogerfan4eva
09-17-2005, 01:16 AM
That link does not work for me.

lilfairyprincess
09-17-2005, 01:21 AM
it worked for me :confused:

anyways..i'll answer the thread while im here-i think if both wer at their absolute best i still think fed wud win..he'd find a way!!

rogerfan4eva
09-17-2005, 01:22 AM
I also tried searching for it myself but the page is blank.

(shrugs)

Oh well. LOL.

R.Federer
09-17-2005, 01:38 AM
Unfortunately we have only about two data points (Melbourne 2005 and last year TMC I think, with 20-18 TB) where they both played best/near best.
So we do not know the answer right now

1sun
09-17-2005, 02:06 AM
federer with out a doubt

rogerfan4eva
09-17-2005, 02:08 AM
Is it true that Marat played better at the 2000 US Open than he did at the 2005 AO? I didn't watch tennis then so I wouldn't know.

Sjengster
09-17-2005, 02:12 AM
It's a bit of a redundant question, because two players will never both play at their absolute best against each other during a match. If they did, we couldn't possibly have a result. The way one player plays affects the way that the other plays. Was Safin at his best at the TMC when having to cope with Federer's low, off-pace slices and superb defensive skills? Was Federer at his best at the AO when trying to deal with Safin's heavy serving and blistering groundies into the corners?

Jimnik
09-17-2005, 02:18 AM
They are equal.

uNIVERSE mAN
09-17-2005, 02:43 AM
Federer is at his best about 30-40 times/yr; Safin is at his best once every 4 yrs (which due to this infrequency could be attributed to a lucky day).

Jimnik
09-17-2005, 03:00 AM
Actually, this talk is rubbish really. Do we ever see a player at his "absolute best"?
Safin made quite a few errors during his AO semi-final against Federer and his USO final against Sampras. But he was supposedly at "his best".
Federer made errors and had a few complete mis-hits during his USO final against Hewitt, when he bagelled him, but he was apparently at "his best".
Surely we never see a player at his best because he would have to be making no errors.

wipeout
09-17-2005, 01:23 PM
Is it true that Marat played better at the 2000 US Open than he did at the 2005 AO? I didn't watch tennis then so I wouldn't know.

From what I remember reading of the stats of both matches, Safin played better at the US Open final, with 37 winners to 12 UEs for example there.

The Australian Open semifinal was a very tense match for both Safin and Federer as Marat said he believed -- and I think Roger too -- that Marat could win after their epic 20-18 tiebreak in Houston a couple of months earlier showed them matching each other in a tense situation shot-for-shot, so both were a bit off their best due to the tension at the Australian match. Still a great match, though.

Safin's serve stats were not all that good at either the US Open or the Australian Open matches, however. As I mentioned a few days back, at its best, Marat's first serve has stats which are a mirror-image of Philippousis's massive first serve as we saw when they played each other at Wimbledon. Like obviously a lot of people, I'd be interested to see how well Federer does against Safin when both were having a good day but I'd add that I like to see it particularly when Marat's serve is really working well.

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Who is better...Marat Safin or Roger Federer?

Federer without doubt. Federer has a better return, forehand, second serve, footwork etc etc etc

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-17-2005, 02:14 PM
forgot? Federer wins everything:o

PamV
09-17-2005, 02:35 PM
Who is better...Marat Safin or Roger Federer?

Roger is the best. I've never heard anyone suppose that Safin might be the greatest player of all time. Both guys were in form and playing their best in the TMC in Houston and Roger won in straight sets. Roger's feet were hurting in AO but even still he had a match point in their SF match.

If you want to go back to how well Safin played to beat Sampras in the USOpen final 2000, then I don't know. He was playing his absolute best back then.....but we haven't see that often. Besides he was playing an older Sampras so who know how good Safin would have looked if he were playing Roger at his peak that day? Roger has seemed to play that well many times.

PamV
09-17-2005, 02:38 PM
Federer without doubt. Federer has a better return, forehand, second serve, footwork etc etc etc

That's true....Safin moves well for a tall guy but no where near as well as Roger.

Experimentee
09-17-2005, 02:50 PM
They are about the same, as you can see from the matches where both were at their best, or close to it, at AO 2005 and TMC. Federer may have more variety, but Safin has the weapons to constantly keep him on the defense and prevent him from making so many great shots.

ae wowww
09-17-2005, 05:53 PM
Fed?

etiage
09-17-2005, 06:27 PM
Federer without doubt. Federer has a better return, forehand, second serve, footwork etc etc etc

agree with all except return. i'll say equal at best when federer have a good backhand return day

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 06:43 PM
agree with all except return. i'll say equal at best when federer have a good backhand return day

In the last years Agassi and Hewitt has been considered as the best returners in the world ( Agassi first, and Hewitt the second ) and i agreed with this opinion, but after every Federer's match that i watch i'm starting to think that Federer returns as well as Hewitt.

I completely disagree about Safin returns as well as Federer.

etiage
09-17-2005, 07:12 PM
In the last years Agassi and Hewitt has been considered as the best returners in the world ( Agassi first, and Hewitt the second ) and i agreed with this opinion, but after every Federer's match that i watch i'm starting to think that Federer returns as well as Hewitt.

I completely disagree about Safin returns as well as Federer.


granted, i haven't watched as much tennis as i should, but from what i've seen, i would say safin returns more in the mode of agassi, ripping returns when he's able to get his raquet on them.

whereas roger tends to get more balls back but floating them back with reach and anticipation. even when he should have more time to deal with them, he doesn't. i know he can dictate more with his return than he has, esp during the us open


and i'm basing some of what i say on is how well safin returns federer's serve and vise versa when i compare their matches. houston 2004 and oz 2005 sf comes to mind