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Masters cup surface

Galaxystorm
09-16-2005, 02:09 PM
Does anybody know what kind of hard court is Masters cup surface ??

It seems Federer , Hewitt and Nadal have criticized that court for being extremely fast

Melvins
09-16-2005, 02:19 PM
I don't know what the type but in ATP Calendar appear "Hard Outdoor". Outdoor is more slow than indoor.

I think only if rain they cover the court.

nkhera1
09-16-2005, 02:28 PM
Does anybody know what kind of hard court is Masters cup surface ??

It seems Federer , Hewitt and Nadal have criticized that court for being extremely fast

When have they said this?

jtipson
09-16-2005, 02:55 PM
Ignore what it says on the ATP calendar, I don't think they have updated it.
There is another article about the Shanghai stadium on the ATP site somewhere, and it says that the surface is Gerflor (carpet, the same as TMS Paris Bercy).

It will almost certainly be played indoors, i.e. with the roof closed.

Galaxystorm
09-16-2005, 04:01 PM
Ignore what it says on the ATP calendar, I don't think they have updated it.
There is another article about the Shanghai stadium on the ATP site somewhere, and it says that the surface is Gerflor (carpet, the same as TMS Paris Bercy).

It will almost certainly be played indoors, i.e. with the roof closed.

Gerflor is the name of the supplier company of surfaces, but the court is Taraflex.

It's the same court as Lyon, Paris, Kremlin cup , St. Petersburg.

Taraflex ( carpert ) will be the Masters cup surface the next 3 years in Shanghai. ( I've just read an article talking about this )

Merton
09-16-2005, 04:03 PM
Roger and Marat are leaking their lips...

jtipson
09-16-2005, 04:09 PM
Gerflor is the name of the supplier company of surfaces, but the court is Taraflex.

It's the same court as Lyon, Paris, Kremlin cup , St. Petersburg.

Taraflex ( carpert ) will be the Masters cup surface the next 3 years in Shanghai. ( I've just read an article talking about this )

Ok, thanks for that - didn't realise it was the company name.

1sun
09-16-2005, 04:13 PM
Does anybody know what kind of hard court is Masters cup surface ??

It seems Federer , Hewitt and Nadal have criticized that court for being extremely fast
when did they say this??

R.Federer
09-16-2005, 04:18 PM
Does anybody know what kind of hard court is Masters cup surface ??

It seems Federer , Hewitt and Nadal have criticized that court for being extremely fast

"Criticized" or "observed" it to be fast? i cannot imagine that Roge or leyton criticize a fast court

Where is the source of this?

Rex
09-16-2005, 04:35 PM
yeh- well they wouldnt like the court to be too fast of course- hope its not too fast in reality........i wanna see a decent competitive tournament.

Galaxystorm
09-16-2005, 05:08 PM
I see a lot of persons are wondering about my source.

About Federer and Hewitt i can only say that i read an article ( i don't remember where ) where the journalist only said that Federer and Hewitt disagreed with the elected surface . Maybe the journalist was wrong or he has his own sources

And about Nadal , he said in spanish press ( majorcan press ) that to play a masters cup on this surface wasn't positive for tennis due to it would be very difficult to watch nice tennis , since the points would very short cuz the court was extremely fast .

R.Federer
09-16-2005, 05:13 PM
I see a lot of persons are wondering about my source.

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Its just that (speaking for my self), leyton has complained in Melbourne that his own country's tournament has slowed down the surface this year, which is not to his advantage. His best results are on the fast surface, and worst result on slow surface. So this is why I am surprised by "criticized".

RonE
09-16-2005, 05:20 PM
Roger and Marat are leaking their lips...

Not sure about Roger- I remember him saying about the courts in Paris Bercy a couple of years ago that they were too fast and sticky for his liking. He doesn't like it when the ball flies TOO fast at him- like in Olympics last year. Even in Cincinnati the ball flies although he won he looked uncomfortable at times.

Galaxystorm
09-16-2005, 05:28 PM
Its just that (speaking for my self), leyton has complained in Melbourne that his own country's tournament has slowed down the surface this year, which is not to his advantage. His best results are on the fast surface, and worst result on slow surface. So this is why I am surprised by "criticized".

I think Lleyton would prefer more a Greenset as the last masters cup in Houston than a carpet . And i would say Federer prefers more a Decoturf than carpet.

I don't think a lot of players in the circuit loves playing on carpet, maybe big servers like this surface but only due to their serve is a great weapon, but i doubt that a lot of big servers really enjoy playing on carpet.

If we made a poll among ATP players surely hard court and clay would be the two favourite surfaces . Grass and carpet i dont' think both surfaces would add up together more than a 20% of votes .

As Federer says, to play well on grass you gotta love this surface as Federer does .
But not all the big servers love grass and carpet, in fact Safin hates grass ( Source about Safin : After his defeat last year in Wimbledon he said it was a twaddle to come back to Wimbledon cuz for him it was almost impossible to play well on grass ...It seems Lundgren has changed Safin's mentality this year )

In my opinion players as Federer, Hewitt and Roddick are more comfortable playing on hard courts ( except rebound ace ) than playing on carpet.

Galaxystorm
09-16-2005, 05:32 PM
Not sure about Roger- I remember him saying about the courts in Paris Bercy a couple of years ago that they were too fast and sticky for his liking. He doesn't like it when the ball flies TOO fast at him- like in Olympics last year. Even in Cincinnati the ball flies although he won he looked uncomfortable at times.

Thanks for your post.

Because surely some people in this forum was thinking that i was concocting lies

KoOlMaNsEaN
09-16-2005, 11:00 PM
i think it should be a slow hard court

Merton
09-16-2005, 11:12 PM
Not sure about Roger- I remember him saying about the courts in Paris Bercy a couple of years ago that they were too fast and sticky for his liking. He doesn't like it when the ball flies TOO fast at him- like in Olympics last year. Even in Cincinnati the ball flies although he won he looked uncomfortable at times.

I was just thinking that Roger has been very comfortable indoors before 2002, indeed it appeared that it would be his 2nd most favourable after grass. To be honest, i didn't bother to distinguish results in indoors hard versus carpet. As for the Olympics, i think the wind bothered him more than the court (fast decoturf)

Lee
09-16-2005, 11:41 PM
November in Shanghai is too cold to play outdoor so I have no doubt it will be indoor. And TMC 2002 (although a different stadium) is played on indoor hard so my guess it will be indoor hard.

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2005, 01:39 AM
The surface is fast but I have seen many, many great matches on a very fast indoor carpet surface.

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2005, 01:40 AM
I was just thinking that Roger has been very comfortable indoors before 2002, indeed it appeared that it would be his 2nd most favourable after grass. To be honest, i didn't bother to distinguish results in indoors hard versus carpet. As for the Olympics, i think the wind bothered him more than the court (fast decoturf)

Federer has said that he likes playing indoor. His combination of taking the ball early on his FH off of the serve and hitting it with power will be very effective.

Dirk
09-17-2005, 06:47 AM
Not sure about Roger- I remember him saying about the courts in Paris Bercy a couple of years ago that they were too fast and sticky for his liking. He doesn't like it when the ball flies TOO fast at him- like in Olympics last year. Even in Cincinnati the ball flies although he won he looked uncomfortable at times.

Roger will be fine. He has a great indoor record. He can do lots of S/V there.

Leo
09-17-2005, 05:34 PM
Gerflor is the name of the supplier company of surfaces, but the court is Taraflex.

It's the same court as Lyon, Paris, Kremlin cup , St. Petersburg.

Taraflex ( carpert ) will be the Masters cup surface the next 3 years in Shanghai. ( I've just read an article talking about this )

Then why is the Kremlin Cup court so much slower than St. Petersburg's, for example, if it is the same Taraflex?

Deivid23
09-17-2005, 05:37 PM
Taraflex + roof will be like a nightmare for Nadal

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 05:55 PM
Then why is the Kremlin Cup court so much slower than St. Petersburg's, for example, if it is the same Taraflex?

This question you should ask Gerflor cuz this company is the supplier of courts for all those tournaments ....

Although two tournaments have the same court, sometimes both courts haven't the same speed due to geophysical conditions ( height above sea level, humidity) also type of balls

Leo
09-17-2005, 05:56 PM
This question you should ask Gerflor cuz this company is the supplier of courts for all those tournaments ....

Although two tournaments have the same court, sometimes both courts haven't the same speed due to geophysical conditions ( height above sea level, humidity) also type of balls

That's true.

TomTheNewb
09-17-2005, 06:04 PM
Anyone know what balls their using for masters cup...whether their fast or slow...and who they;d favour.

Galaxystorm
09-17-2005, 06:24 PM
Anyone know what balls their using for masters cup...whether their fast or slow...and who they;d favour.

I guess the balls used will be Penn . All the masters series are played with Penn balls and also last years Masters cups used Penn.

oneandonlyhsn
09-17-2005, 09:47 PM
Taraflex + roof will be like a nightmare for Nadal

Yeah and Ducks dream :o

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 10:20 PM
Toni Nadal's ( Nadal's coach ) comments made tonight : " I think ATP made a mistake choosing this surface and even players like Federer, Hewitt and Rafa didn't agree . This surface benefits players like Roddick and Safin "