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Who'll be the first to topple Federer in a final?

Xmanfan
09-15-2005, 12:55 PM
Who do you guys think (doesn't have to be in a slam). As we all know he has this amazing record on unbeaten finals :worship: - who do you think will be the first to break that cycle?

rue
09-15-2005, 01:06 PM
Nadal is my pick

MariaV
09-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Rafa could be the man, I hope. :)

1sun
09-15-2005, 01:12 PM
it will probably happen least unexpected against a player ranked outside the top 10

WF4EVER
09-15-2005, 01:22 PM
it will probably happen least unexpected against a player ranked outside the top 10

That's what I think, too. Someone that Roger has never played before or someone he hasn't played for a very long time who has improved his game a lot.

Nadal would be my second choice. If it's a clay court final.

Some people seem to think it's a bad mark to lose to a low-ranked player or the most unlikely person in the world, but when you look at Roger's record against the top 10, it's not so difficult to understand.

Roger learns to read them like a book so he knows exactly what to expect from them, but when you're playing someone you're not used to, you have to make adjustments. Look at his match against Baghdatis at last year's USO. He was on his heels alot of the time but he made the necessary adjustments to counteract him. SOmetimes he's not so lucky.

IMO this is part of the reason why he lost to Nadal in 2K4 Miami. He wasn't used to Nadal's game and he was ill. He still seems nervous around Nadal which is why I give Nadal the next best chance of beating him ina Final, but otherwise I think Roger will turn things around Nadal in the near future. That's also why I said on a clay court because I always favour Nadal on clay.

I don't think Roger is mentally ready to beat Nadal on clay, it's a combination of two strong forces that Roger has not yet learned how to overcome. But I hope I'm wrong and he wins the FO Final against Nadal. That would be awesome.

Castafiore
09-15-2005, 01:27 PM
I don't think Nadal is mentally ready to beat Nadal on clay.
Couldn't agree more ;)

hitchhiker
09-15-2005, 01:29 PM
i will, with a baseball bat

vincayou
09-15-2005, 01:31 PM
I don't think Nadal is mentally ready to beat Nadal on clay.

I don't think he's physically ready either. I mean, he runs fast, but not that fast. :lol:

vincayou
09-15-2005, 01:32 PM
Couldn't agree more ;)

:mad:

Castafiore
09-15-2005, 01:38 PM
:mad:
:nerner:

TheMightyFed
09-15-2005, 01:46 PM
It's become such a streak that it will go on and on for 2-3 years I think. It's one of his biggest motivations... maybe in RG to Nadal.

WF4EVER
09-15-2005, 02:02 PM
Couldn't agree more ;)

:nerner:

WF4EVER
09-15-2005, 02:03 PM
I don't think he's physically ready either. I mean, he runs fast, but not that fast. :lol:

I think you missed something. I made an error in my post which Castafiore was kind enough to point out.

jenanun
09-15-2005, 02:11 PM
nadal on clay
safin on hardcourt/indoor, if safin is fit....


it will probably happen least unexpected against a player ranked outside the top 10

this player has to fight all his way through to the final, must have beaten 1 or 2 top 10 player already.. i doubt he has luck left to beat federer.....

mickymouse
09-15-2005, 02:16 PM
Roddick or Hewitt. These guys deserve some credit for the way they've been trying to battle Federer and they're also the ones most likely to battle all the way to a final. There has to come a day when Federer is either injured, not feeling well or just hitting off form in a final.

Whistleway
09-15-2005, 02:36 PM
A 3 set final.

hablovah19
09-15-2005, 02:59 PM
marat :p

RogiNie
09-15-2005, 03:05 PM
an injury..

niko
09-15-2005, 03:13 PM
My son Andre who is 9 years old. :wavey:

revolution
09-15-2005, 03:15 PM
Nadal in a clay TMS or RG.

skel1983
09-15-2005, 03:17 PM
marat :p

I think alot of people think Marat can beat Roger on a regular basis if they meet enough times,correct me if im wrong, but that is not going to happen he beat him in 5 at OZ Open well done Marat, but i will be pretty certain if they meet say 4 or 5 times next year it will be 4 or 5 nil to Federer, i get the impression people think Safin is Federer's nemesis, he just played a great game at the Oz open he wont beat Federer if they meet within the near future.

TomTheNewb
09-15-2005, 03:19 PM
Gilles Muller (LUX)...Maybe Marat if a top ten player is to beat him

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-15-2005, 03:48 PM
Nadal in 2006 RG final.

liptea
09-15-2005, 04:21 PM
Carlos Moya.

PaulieM
09-15-2005, 04:30 PM
jiri novak will do it again

gillian
09-15-2005, 04:53 PM
Roddick or Hewitt. These guys deserve some credit for the way they've been trying to battle Federer and they're also the ones most likely to battle all the way to a final. There has to come a day when Federer is either injured, not feeling well or just hitting off form in a final.

ITA on this. They'll eventually catch up and figure out a way to beat him. It'll be interesting to see when and how that happens.

mangoes
09-15-2005, 06:29 PM
Nadal.

Tennis is becoming about Roger and Rafael....................and I still find it interesting. I hope we have an interesting year in 2006.

mangoes
09-15-2005, 06:31 PM
I think alot of people think Marat can beat Roger on a regular basis if they meet enough times,correct me if im wrong, but that is not going to happen he beat him in 5 at OZ Open well done Marat, but i will be pretty certain if they meet say 4 or 5 times next year it will be 4 or 5 nil to Federer, i get the impression people think Safin is Federer's nemesis, he just played a great game at the Oz open he wont beat Federer if they meet within the near future.


I think Nadal is more of a bother to Roger than Marat.

NYCtennisfan
09-15-2005, 07:08 PM
Me with my sweet, sweet serve/volley game. :)

Seriously, Nadal on clay probably.

RogiFan88
09-15-2005, 07:08 PM
depends on the time of year and the surface

Chloe le Bopper
09-15-2005, 07:38 PM
i will, with a baseball bat
:hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
09-15-2005, 07:39 PM
It would have already happened if Roger and Nadal weren't on opposite sides of the RG draw, btw ;)

I will be seriously dissapointed if nobody bumps this if Fed df Nadal in the RG final some year ;)

Sjengster
09-15-2005, 08:14 PM
Good point. Going by seeding, if Nadal and Safin's places in the draw were reversed then we would have had the all-lefty final in the semis instead, and ys would have been able to see his great battle of shotmakers in the other SF... In that context I'm extremely glad Federer was drawn to meet Nadal in the last four, it would have been dreadful to end his winning streak in finals with a match of such sub-standard play from his side.

It would be really funny if Novak ended the streak somehow just as he began it back in 2003, but I don't see it somehow. He is defending champion in Basel, maybe if they meet there this year then the Swiss curse ends up striking Federer again.

Ginger
09-15-2005, 08:23 PM
i will, with a baseball bat
A rolling pin would suit you much better... :)

JonnyC21
09-15-2005, 11:13 PM
I have a feeling it could be on clay, probably to Nadal next year. If Gasquet can break through then I think he is in with a chance on clay as well. Hewitt just doesn't have the game to beat Fed and he is too deep in Roddick's head for Roddick to have a chance at present.
The only other possibility is that an inspired missile serving giant will play the game of their life and that Federer will have a bad day.
Does anyone feel that once that huge streak in finals comes to an end then Federer will loose a bit of steam? His grand slam losses to Safin and Nadal came after a huge winning streak against top 10 players did not appear to dent his confidence at all.

*julie*
09-15-2005, 11:32 PM
Good point. Going by seeding, if Nadal and Safin's places in the draw were reversed then we would have had the all-lefty final in the semis instead, and ys would have been able to see his great battle of shotmakers in the other SF... In that context I'm extremely glad Federer was drawn to meet Nadal in the last four, it would have been dreadful to end his winning streak in finals with a match of such sub-standard play from his side.



Maybe maybe not.
If I remember well the semi took place after a long rain-delay whereas the weather on the sunday was pretty dry. So who knows... :shrug:

shotgun
09-15-2005, 11:51 PM
It´s interesting also to think who will be the next player to beat Federer, in a final or not. A year ago, nobody could imagine he would get beaten by Tom Berdych.

wipeout
09-16-2005, 12:07 AM
The way they've been going over the last year, it looks like Safin is becoming a dangerous player for Federer. They met at Houston at the end of last year and had that 20-18 tiebreak where they were going punch-for-punch under pressure and Safin said that this made him believe for the first time that he could win. Since then they met again at the Australian Open semifinal and Safin won. And Safin can play better than he did that day, as can Federer. And they met again at Halle in the final where Federer won 6-4 in the final set on his best surface and Safin's worst.

I want to see Federer meet Safin now in a match when Safin is playing well and on a surface Safin actually likes. Could be fun. :devil:

Scotso
09-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Another vote for Nadal.

NYCtennisfan
09-16-2005, 01:48 AM
Maybe maybe not.
If I remember well the semi took place after a long rain-delay whereas the weather on the sunday was pretty dry. So who knows...

Very true.

jacobhiggins
09-16-2005, 02:03 AM
I don't think people actually believe Safin would beat Federer consistantly, Safin can win once and a blue moon, but I think the most likely player will be Nadal, probablly in the FO Final!

wimbledonfan
09-16-2005, 02:09 AM
At the french open , most likely Federer will be seeded # 1 and Nadal will be # 2 , so they'll be on opposite sides of the draw . I know if Federer makes it to the finals , he will probably lose to Nadal next year when he'll probably be even tougher to beat .

LaTenista
09-16-2005, 02:10 AM
Rafa at one of the clay TMS events and maybe RG next year too.

drf716
09-16-2005, 02:11 AM
i hate waiting and predicting.
but for the sake of an answer: DUH!

TenHound
09-16-2005, 02:30 AM
Whoever he happens to be playing when he's finally tired & his feet worn down. If he were a robot & could keep playing at this level no one would ever beat him, hence No credit necessarily goes to his opponent.

wimbledonfan
09-16-2005, 03:04 AM
I disagree that when he's playing his best on any surface , no one can beat him . I don't think Roger at his best can take a set off of Nadal at his best on clay . Nadal was far from his best in the semis at the french open and beat him routinely like he did all his opponents . In fact Puerta gave Nadal more of a challange in the finals .

+alonso
09-16-2005, 03:13 AM
Hmm i think Roger knows pretty good the possible strategies of the top players in a match.. :confused:
I think it will be a unexpected player....

Chloe le Bopper
09-16-2005, 03:19 AM
I disagree that when he's playing his best on any surface , no one can beat him . I don't think Roger at his best can take a set off of Nadal at his best on clay . Nadal was far from his best in the semis at the french open and beat him routinely like he did all his opponents . In fact Puerta gave Nadal more of a challange in the finals .
Roger was having a hard time because there was no light on his side of the net. It was truly unfair. I think it's safe to say that this match doesn't count.

G O
09-16-2005, 03:27 AM
I would say compared to Rafa, Roger was quite a bit off his game in that semi.

In the end it will be Roger's all-court talent that will prove to be the deciding egde over Nadal on clay. I already know this, you doubters will have to wait and see.

Exodus
09-16-2005, 06:02 AM
Nadal won't win so many tournys next year. The other players will figure his game out and beat him. He really isn't any threat to Federer in any other surfaces besides clay and even on clay Federer can beat him. I truly believe that next year Federer is going to win FO.

Nadal would probably follow JCF...

IMMORTALCHAMP
09-16-2005, 06:57 AM
Obviously Agassi is the only man close to beating him. Agassi led 3-6 6-2 4-2 in the final and would have finished Fed off if not for the fatigue of 3 consecutive 5-setters. Its only a matter of time before Agassi has fresh legs in a final, likely the 2006 Australian Open where Agassi traditionally cruises through the first few rounds. Agassi also took Fed to 5 sets in 2004 US Open.

shotgun
09-16-2005, 06:11 PM
Obviously Agassi is the only man close to beating him. Agassi led 3-6 6-2 4-2 in the final and would have finished Fed off if not for the fatigue of 3 consecutive 5-setters. Its only a matter of time before Agassi has fresh legs in a final, likely the 2006 Australian Open where Agassi traditionally cruises through the first few rounds. Agassi also took Fed to 5 sets in 2004 US Open.

I truly doubt it, I think Agassi's US Open run was his carreer's last shot. I think Nadal could do it on clay, or an "unknown" player outside the top 20, like Gael Monfils or Novak Djokovic.

joeb_uk
09-16-2005, 06:13 PM
Nadal 2006 Roland Garros Final Defeats Federer

Sjengster
09-16-2005, 06:14 PM
Roger was having a hard time because there was no light on his side of the net. It was truly unfair. I think it's safe to say that this match doesn't count.

And don't forget, Rafa sabotaged his shoes in the locker-room beforehand to make sure that Roger's feet would start hurting at some point. Underhanded bastard.

Chloe le Bopper
09-16-2005, 06:35 PM
And don't forget, Rafa sabotaged his shoes in the locker-room beforehand to make sure that Roger's feet would start hurting at some point. Underhanded bastard.
Coria would be proud.

*julie*
09-16-2005, 06:38 PM
And don't forget, Rafa sabotaged his shoes in the locker-room beforehand to make sure that Roger's feet would start hurting at some point. Underhanded bastard.

I didn't say that this match doesn't count and I didn't give any excuses to Federer.
You said that if they would have met in final, Nadal would have defeated him. It's just that we cannot be sure at 100%. Every day is different.

And I didn't want to create a new polemic about Fed/Nadal! ;)

Sjengster
09-16-2005, 06:49 PM
That wasn't directed at you julie, that was at TenHound, who actually blamed Federer's defeat in all seriousness on his shoes when there was no evidence whatsoever that his feet were hurting during that match and he didn't mention it as a factor afterwards.

Chloe le Bopper
09-16-2005, 06:51 PM
That wasn't directed at you julie, that was at TenHound, who actually blamed Federer's defeat in all seriousness on his shoes when there was no evidence whatsoever that his feet were hurting during that match and he didn't mention it as a factor afterwards.
Fed was just being a graceful loser. The 'tards know the truth!

RogiFan88
09-16-2005, 07:07 PM
Nadal 2006 Roland Garros Final Defeats Federer

...assuming Feds makes the final... :p

RogiFan88
09-16-2005, 07:12 PM
Rafa at one of the clay TMS events and maybe RG next year too.

That's at least 5 long months away, and that's the S Amer clay season, which we all know Rogi will be playing[ :p ]! ;)

What about the upcoming indoor season then: Bangkok, Madrid, Basel and Paris, not to mention TMC Shanghai? No takers?

IMMORTALCHAMP
09-17-2005, 01:33 AM
I truly doubt it, I think Agassi's US Open run was his carreer's last shot. I think Nadal could do it on clay, or an "unknown" player outside the top 20, like Gael Monfils or Novak Djokovic.

I'm afraid (for you) Agassi will be in many more grand slam finals and semi-finals. Gil Reyes was on BBC Radio 2 days ago and said the cotisone injection Agassi received in July continues to keep his sciatic nerve healthy and Agassi is playing Stockholm, Madrid and Paris. They are scheduling another injection in December in preparation for the Australian Open.

stebs
09-17-2005, 09:15 AM
I'm afraid (for you) Agassi will be in many more grand slam finals and semi-finals. Gil Reyes was on BBC Radio 2 days ago and said the cotisone injection Agassi received in July continues to keep his sciatic nerve healthy and Agassi is playing Stockholm, Madrid and Paris. They are scheduling another injection in December in preparation for the Australian Open.

This doesn't mean Agassi will ever again reach a grand slam final and im afraid i doubt he will too. much as i would love him to go out on a high, i dont think he will be able to beat federer or hewitt in a grand slam. I think the first to topple fed in a final will be nadal because if they play the same clay court tournie nadal definately has the game to beat roger on clay so i think that is the most likely. if not nadal then it will be safin as he is the only player on the tour who can play well enough to match roger.

Mechlan
09-17-2005, 09:37 AM
I'm afraid (for you) Agassi will be in many more grand slam finals and semi-finals. Gil Reyes was on BBC Radio 2 days ago and said the cotisone injection Agassi received in July continues to keep his sciatic nerve healthy and Agassi is playing Stockholm, Madrid and Paris. They are scheduling another injection in December in preparation for the Australian Open.

Really? Gil also said, "We can't depend on the cortisone shots. There was something transitional about that period that cortisone was appropriate. We had to pull him off a career ending state of mind. It's too fragile an option and certainly a risky option.''

Like it or not, Agassi's time is dwindling. Hopefully he'll make the best of it.

Someone beating Federer in a final - have to play it safe and go with clay. Let's say Monte Carlo... you-know-who looms.

Fedex
09-17-2005, 03:26 PM
Nadal, but most likely on a clay court. (He did push him to 5 sets earlier in Miami this year, though.)

Fedex
09-17-2005, 03:29 PM
Coria would be proud.
:) :lol:

Vass
09-17-2005, 05:32 PM
No one is toppling Roger in a final until he stops playing as well as he does now. But when that happens it could be anybody beating him: Hewitt, Nadal, Roddick... Anybody...

tangerine_dream
09-18-2005, 03:50 AM
I don't know who will be the one to finally slay the dragon but when that day comes, this place is going to explode. :timebomb:

fedsfan1
09-19-2005, 12:53 AM
I don't know who will be the one to finally slay the dragon but when that day comes, this place is going to explode. :timebomb:

very well said tangerine_dream...... :wavey:

Xmanfan
09-19-2005, 11:16 AM
Well in the past he's struggled with the south americans and of course Novak and not just on clay (massu, nalbandian etc).

I have 2 and can't decide which. Gasquet or Blake. They're my choices.

vincayou
09-19-2005, 02:00 PM
I don't know who will be the one to finally slay the dragon but when that day comes, this place is going to explode. :timebomb:

especially is it's Nadal. :lol:

Experimentee
09-19-2005, 02:29 PM
Nadal if they meet in a clay final. Safin in a hardcourt or indoor final, if he is playing well.

AgassiFan
09-19-2005, 04:35 PM
Right now the only player to topple Federer in the Final is Federer himself.

AgassiFan
09-19-2005, 04:38 PM
.This doesn't mean Agassi will ever again reach a grand slam final and im afraid i doubt he will too. much as i would love him to go out on a high, i dont think he will be able to beat federer or hewitt in a grand slam

Federer, I agree. Roger could officially forfeit the match by not even showing up and Andre would STILL find a way to lose.... :haha:

Hewitt? Have you run out of crocodile adrenalin, mate?

BAMJ6
09-19-2005, 04:40 PM
Nadal on clay

liptea
09-19-2005, 04:53 PM
It would have already happened if Roger and Nadal weren't on opposite sides of the RG draw, btw ;)

I will be seriously dissapointed if nobody bumps this if Fed df Nadal in the RG final some year ;)
I'll do it for you. Merry Christmas.

alfonsojose
09-20-2005, 04:05 AM
He won't win Madrid. Feliciano will stop him :D

DrJules
11-22-2005, 12:05 AM
We now have the answer.

AgassiDomination
11-22-2005, 12:10 AM
I bet nobody saw this

jazz_girl
11-22-2005, 12:13 AM
Who would have thought David was gonna win a big final, leave alone the fact that it was gonna be against Roger :lol:

shotgun
11-22-2005, 12:16 AM
I'm afraid (for you) Agassi will be in many more grand slam finals and semi-finals. Gil Reyes was on BBC Radio 2 days ago and said the cotisone injection Agassi received in July continues to keep his sciatic nerve healthy and Agassi is playing Stockholm, Madrid and Paris. They are scheduling another injection in December in preparation for the Australian Open.

Gil Reyes was full of shit, then. :lol: