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Feds: Even smarter than we thought?

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 05:49 AM
Ok, since a certain poster didn't want to start this thread, I will, as the question has grown larger in my mind.

Do you think Feds was toying with Agassi in the final? He knew he could blow Old Balls off the court, but he wanted to give the Americans some hope and a good final?

Exhibit A: Staying behind on his return game and letting Andre dominate, then changing tactics completely in the 4th set, coming in and almost bagelling Old Balls.

Thoughts?

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 05:53 AM
Please stop overloading us with your astounding level of wit and extraordinary sense for bringing up the topics that all of us have been losing sleep over.

:smash:

Dirk
09-14-2005, 05:54 AM
I would like to know why he didn't do that sooner. He was that way with Hewitt too. Did he get asked that question in his press conference. Great thread as usual TF. :) I don't think he toyed with Andre but might have been too nervous on the occassion to play his all out all court attacking game.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 05:55 AM
Ok, since a certain poster didn't want to start this thread, I will, as the question has grown larger in my mind.

Do you think Feds was toying with Agassi in the final? He knew he could blow Old Balls off the court, but he wanted to give the Americans some hope and a good final?

Exhibit A: Staying behind on his return game and letting Andre dominate, then changing tactics completely in the 4th set, coming in and almost bagelling Old Balls.

Thoughts?

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I hope no one actually attempts to answer this Fool's question seriously.

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Dirk
09-14-2005, 05:56 AM
For f*cks sake Tennis Fool, stop creating so many stupid threads about Federer.

You really are a tool.

Learn to love the Fed, your life here will be much better off.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 05:57 AM
:retard::retard::retard::retard::retard::retard:

I hope no one actually attempts to answer this Fool's question seriously.

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Thanks for bumping the thread. Twice. I love you. :D

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:01 AM
Learn to love the Fed, your life here will be much better off.

Listen son, I touted Roger for greatness ever since I saw him win the Victorian Jnr Championships in January 1998. I don't think you and Wanker-lover could say the same.

He only came to light for you mongrels after winning a slam.

bad gambler
09-14-2005, 06:02 AM
Listen son, I touted Roger for greatness ever since I saw him win the Victorian Jnr Championships in January 1998. I don't think you and Wanker-lover could say the same.

He only came to light for you mongrels after winning a slam.


I've got highlights of the victorian juniors champs on VCR :D

bad gambler
09-14-2005, 06:03 AM
Tennis Fool, just out of curiosity, who did you support in this year's AO SF between Safin and federer?

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:04 AM
I've got highlights of the victorian juniors champs on VCR :D

Really?

It was televised?

:eek:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:05 AM
Tennis Fool, just out of curiosity, who did you support in this year's AO SF between Safin and federer?

He didn't support one more than the other. He supported the real winner - tennis.

:retard:

Chloe le Bopper
09-14-2005, 06:07 AM
This is on track to become one of the greatest threads ever. Keep up the good work, folks :hearts:

bad gambler
09-14-2005, 06:08 AM
He didn't support one more than the other. He supported the real winner - tennis.

:retard:


the only reason I asked is because both are his favourite players

bad gambler
09-14-2005, 06:09 AM
Really?

It was televised?

:eek:
LOL not the whole final, it was a clip from that final

That grade 2 tournament is a breeding ground for some pretty decent players, guess who won it in 2001? :)

AgassiFan
09-14-2005, 06:11 AM
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Do you think Feds was toying with Agassi in the final? He knew he could blow Old Balls off the court, but he wanted to give the Americans some hope and a good final?



Blow him off the court like in the 2004 USO, you mean? I am sure he was kissing up to the American audience/Hollywood back then, too...

I am sure his serving at near 80% for most of the match was just another way of saying "Here, Andre..."

Agassi was cooked after he fell behind 4-1 in the TB, which included 3 errors, 2 of them unforced. By the time the 4th set had begun, Andre was completely demoralized and Fed could swing out of his shoes if he so desired because the win was in the bag.

Mimi
09-14-2005, 06:13 AM
i think this is a silly question, every normal person wants to finish the match soon, if roger has so much pity/respect for andre, why didn't he "pretended" to lose instead, he already had so many slams :rolleyes:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:23 AM
the only reason I asked is because both are his favourite players

I know. Which is why I made that moronic comment that commentators make after good matches.

mickymouse
09-14-2005, 06:24 AM
This thread brings to mind another thread asking why Nadal gift a set to Agassi in the Montreal finals.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:28 AM
LOL not the whole final, it was a clip from that final

That grade 2 tournament is a breeding ground for some pretty decent players, guess who won it in 2001? :)

Mr Uncle Tobys ;).

I will post a list of recent winners, so we can all have a good laugh.

:D

1sun
09-14-2005, 06:44 AM
no

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 06:45 AM
Tennis Fool, just out of curiosity, who did you support in this year's AO SF between Safin and federer?
Safin, of course.

Full disclosure: I have yet to see the match, as I don't have cable and they don't show it on regular TV here.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:46 AM
I will post a list of recent winners, so we can all have a good laugh.

:D

1994: Nicolas Escude
1995: Fredrik Jonsson
1996: Martin Lee :lol:
1997: Wesley Whitehouse :cool:
1998: Roger
1999: Kristian Pless ;)
2000: Pimpim
2001: Mr Uncle Tobys
2002: Richie Rich $$$
2003: Mathieu Moncourt
2004: Mihail Zverev
2005: Carsten Ball

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:47 AM
This thread brings to mind another thread asking why Nadal gift a set to Agassi in the Montreal finals.

what kind of an idiot created that one??!?!

:D:D:D

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 06:50 AM
Blow him off the court like in the 2004 USO, you mean? I am sure he was kissing up to the American audience/Hollywood back then, too...
Well, that was Hewitt. Who cares about bagelling Hewitt [sarcasm here, folks]


I am sure his serving at near 80% for most of the match was just another way of saying "Here, Andre..."
Yeah, he was serving great, but his return games--what was with those errors on the backhand and being a foot behind the baseline?

Agassi was cooked after he fell behind 4-1 in the TB, which included 3 errors, 2 of them unforced. By the time the 4th set had begun, Andre was completely demoralized and Fed could swing out of his shoes if he so desired because the win was in the bag.
Yeah, I agree with this.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 06:53 AM
I know.
I would bet Bad Gambler you didn't. Oh well. Too late now.


Which is why I made that moronic comment

One of many past, present and dare say future.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:54 AM
oh and by the way Fool, cool sig.

:retard:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 06:56 AM
I would bet Bad Gambler you didn't. Oh well. Too late now.

One of many past, present and dare say future.

How switched on does someone have to be to read your signature, and notice all the threads you create about how many times Roger goes to the toilet each day.

:retard:

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 06:58 AM
oh and by the way Fool, cool sig.

:retard:
I was actually going to say I really like yours [no sarcasm, here]. If you are a fan of Mahammed Ali, you should appreciate what Fed is doing.

BTW, I don't think you get my line about Safin.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 07:01 AM
How switched on does someone have to be to read your signature, and notice all the threads you create about how many times Roger goes to the toilet each day.

:retard:
I can't speak for other posters, but the way you always make certain to reply in my threads and keep them bumped, gives me a huge ego burst.

BTW, are you related to Queen Rebecca. You both share the same tastes in smilies.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 07:17 AM
I was actually going to say I really like yours [no sarcasm, here]. If you are a fan of Mahammed Ali, you should appreciate what Fed is doing.

BTW, I don't think you get my line about Safin.

I have met Safin, twice. I appreciate what he does more than you do.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 07:18 AM
I can't speak for other posters, but the way you always make certain to reply in my threads and keep them bumped, gives me a huge ego burst.

BTW, are you related to Queen Rebecca. You both share the same tastes in smilies.

yes, her and I share the same something.

adee-gee
09-14-2005, 07:19 AM
This thread made me vomit :crying2:

Bibir
09-14-2005, 07:28 AM
I have met Safin, twice. I appreciate what he does more than you do.
Maybe but I know that TF is a real Safin fan..a desperate one.

R.Federer
09-14-2005, 01:49 PM
Maybe he was toying with the Whole Tour, you know, prior to 2003. Letting them win so that they would not mind so much when he started to dominate like crazy

bad gambler
09-14-2005, 01:53 PM
Maybe he was toying with the Whole Tour, you know, prior to 2003. Letting them win so that they would not mind so much when he started to dominate like crazy


that is the obvious reason, i think tennis fool is on to something here :silly:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Maybe but I know that TF is a real Safin fan..a desperate one.

I know that you don't know me.

PamV
09-14-2005, 02:27 PM
I think he was nervous in the beginning and he couldn't function normally. He had to break out of thinking so much and go for broke to win the final.

His placid expression may fool some people but I think he really does get nervous when a match means a lot to him.

landoud
09-14-2005, 03:08 PM
agassi was a real test for fed bcoz i was doubting his performance all over the tournament... but he did survive

Carito_90
09-14-2005, 03:41 PM
No.



:retard:

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 04:28 PM
No.



:retard:
Maybe so, but more than a third of the people who so far voted, said yes. Anyone want to speak up?

adee-gee
09-14-2005, 04:37 PM
Just when I thought I'd heard everything from Federer fans, this classic comes out :timebomb:

tangerine_dream
09-14-2005, 04:44 PM
Please stop overloading us with your astounding level of wit and extraordinary sense for bringing up the topics that all of us have been losing sleep over.

:smash:
:haha:

Sjengster
09-14-2005, 06:04 PM
Tennis Fool: Even dumber than we thought?

ExpectedWinner
09-14-2005, 06:10 PM
Yes, he wanted to find out how it feels to play in the 5th set in front of partisan crowd against a living legend. For some reason he changed his mind at 2-4, 0-30 in the 3d set. :smash:

nobama
09-14-2005, 06:11 PM
As JMac would say, "You can not be serious!" :lol:

adee-gee
09-14-2005, 06:22 PM
Tennis Fool: Even dumber than we thought?

:haha: probably one of the funniest things I've read on here!

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-14-2005, 06:24 PM
Wow...Federer served a great % so he could toy with Agassi.

That makes perfect sense. ;)

Crazy Federer fans. :D

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 06:24 PM
Tennis Fool: Even dumber than we thought?

Going for comment of the year. :worship:

Merton
09-14-2005, 07:05 PM
Are the people that voted "yes" in this poll serious? :eek:

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 08:02 PM
Tennis Fool: Even dumber than we thought?
That made you feel good, didn't it. Bandwagon jumper.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 08:06 PM
For those who gave intelligent responses, I salute you. (You guys know who you are). We don't necessarily have to agree with who we like or what we see on court, but at least we can discuss our opinions.

Carito_90
09-14-2005, 08:15 PM
Maybe so, but more than a third of the people who so far voted, said yes. Anyone want to speak up?

Yes, I would like to.
The question "Why would he?" comes up to my mind. I mean, if he were smarter than us, then I would like to think he actually tried his hardest but Agassi actually played well enough to put up a fight and that's why he struggled in the first 3 sets.
Do you think a smart tennis player would take the risk of losing the final just to 'toy' with the other play a little bit?
Roger did not play his best in the first 3 sets, we know, but then again, he hasn't done so during the whole week pretty much either. Andre also played fairly well, but wasn't the same after he lost the tiebreak.
All in all, I'd say that if Roger was "smarter than most of us" he would not do what you suppose he did. Quite the opposite actually.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 08:21 PM
Going for comment of the year. :worship:
Maybe I should just alias myself to back myself up.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 08:25 PM
Are the people that voted "yes" in this poll serious? :eek:
That's why I wanted intelligent people to speak up (not that those who voted "no" aren't intelligent. I've noticed that posters here can view the same match quite differently, as people have replied to the same commentators as being Pro-Agassi, Pro-Fed, or equal.

However, I would be apprehensive to speak in this thread too, since people like Sjengster like to jump on the "insult TF" wagon, because they have no other reason to be in the thread.

Hey, Sjengster, when I bring up more "objective" threads "Wooden Spoon Awards" for example, that need calculations done, I don't see you anywhere around. You just jump on threads 2 to 3 pages after insults begin...

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 08:30 PM
Yes, I would like to.
The question "Why would he?" comes up to my mind. I mean, if he were smarter than us, then I would like to think he actually tried his hardest but Agassi actually played well enough to put up a fight and that's why he struggled in the first 3 sets.
Do you think a smart tennis player would take the risk of losing the final just to 'toy' with the other play a little bit?
Roger did not play his best in the first 3 sets, we know, but then again, he hasn't done so during the whole week pretty much either. Andre also played fairly well, but wasn't the same after he lost the tiebreak.
All in all, I'd say that if Roger was "smarter than most of us" he would not do what you suppose he did. Quite the opposite actually.
Thanks for the intelligent response. (Sjengster, are you paying attention?) This was all this thread was supposed to be, but I guess people are bored. As I said, the question was "may have" Federer toyed with Agassi?

The thought didn't really cross my mind that Feds may have done so. I can see the reasoning behind both (btw I didn't vote in the poll at all). It was an interesting question raised by others earlier.

I think he did toy with Agassi on that 4th set drop shot however ;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-14-2005, 08:41 PM
:cool: thread!
:haha:

:smash: :smash:

KoOlMaNsEaN
09-14-2005, 09:30 PM
i think he would just want to win no matter what or how

Sjengster
09-14-2005, 10:09 PM
That made you feel good, didn't it. Bandwagon jumper.

Which bandwagon is this exactly?

Yes, I admit it feels good to highlight the stupidity of a ludicrous premise that is easily refutable by anyone who actually watched the match. There are some threads that deserve a detailed response, either positive or negative, and some that don't. This comfortably falls into the latter category.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 10:23 PM
Which bandwagon is this exactly?
You're the smart one, you tell me. I'm just the dumb guy on the board.

Yes, I admit it feels good to highlight the stupidity of a ludicrous premise that is easily refutable by anyone who actually watched the match.
So the 16 people who, so far, voted "Yes" didn't watch the match? Or everyone must agree with you for the thread to be worthy?

Scotso
09-14-2005, 10:37 PM
Let's just rename this board "FedererTennisForums.com," shall we?

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 10:39 PM
Let's just rename this board "FedererTennisForums.com," shall we?
I wouldn't mind "OAFBoard" myself.

Scotso
09-14-2005, 10:41 PM
Well that doesn't fit, since 99.9% of the threads here are about Federer.

Sjengster
09-14-2005, 10:49 PM
You're the smart one, you tell me. I'm just the dumb guy on the board.


So the 16 people who, so far, voted "Yes" didn't watch the match? Or everyone must agree with you for the thread to be worthy?

For the record, I don't think you are dumb. But this is a dumb thread, and you have a habit of starting them now and then. That doesn't mean I've hopped onto the "smart" bandwagon, should such a thing exist.

Those 16 people don't need to be taken seriously either. It's an insult to the level of tennis Agassi was producing in the middle of the match to suggest that Federer was toying with him, and this is not an Agassi fan speaking here. Federer's backhand was lousy for much of the match - was he therefore toying with Kiefer in the fourth round too, since it was just as bad there? And as AgassiFan observed, the 76% first serves in, 19 aces and 0 doubles was obviously Federer's way of inviting Agassi into his service games.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 10:51 PM
Well that doesn't fit, since 99.9% of the threads here are about Federer.
Yeah, and two years ago 99% were about Roddick. Last month 99% were about Hewitt.

:secret: Guess who won the US Open?

Time for the Baby Balls and Safin to get back on the radar. When I post something "objective" regarding stats, nobody replies.

"Fat Mirka" and "Best Booty" threads are the most popular and then people get mad when I post threads regarding the US Open and my observations. Sheesh. :ras:

Sjengster
09-14-2005, 10:54 PM
I'm not exactly wild about those threads either, TF. And I don't mind your statistics-related threads, it's just some of your observations seem so silly it's like you're just trying to stir the pot without meaning what you say.

*edit - 6000th post!!! Pity it wasn't something more auspicious, but I didn't realise till after the event*

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 11:02 PM
For the record, I don't think you are dumb.
I'm not dumb enough to think that, especially knowing you as a poster for 3 years. But that was an *incredibly* dumb comment fed like breadcrumbs to pigeons, and just was begging to be part of my new sig.

But this is a dumb thread, and you have a habit of starting them now and then. If there is a "smart" thread I've created, I'm sure you've never posted there.

That doesn't mean I've hopped onto the "smart" bandwagon, should such a thing exist.
More like the "insult wagon" with posters who are on their way to being banned.

Those 16 people don't need to be taken seriously either. It's an insult to the level of tennis Agassi was producing in the middle of the match to suggest that Federer was toying with him, and this is not an Agassi fan speaking here. Federer's backhand was lousy for much of the match - was he therefore toying with Kiefer in the fourth round too, since it was just as bad there? And as AgassiFan observed, the 76% first serves in, 19 aces and 0 doubles was obviously Federer's way of inviting Agassi into his service games.
This was all you had to say in the first place, instead of being lazy :ras: You don't have to agree with me, but give some reasons for doing so. I see your reasons and I have given counterarguments to those points, and you can navigate through the thread of insults.

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 11:04 PM
I'm not exactly wild about those threads either, TF. And I don't mind your statistics-related threads, it's just some of your observations seem so silly it's like you're just trying to stir the pot without meaning what you say.

*edit - 6000th post!!! Pity it wasn't something more auspicious, but I didn't realise till after the event*
:nerner: I beat you by a day. But you post more than me.
Anyway, I didn't post anything between Wimbledon and US Open, and rarely get to see tennis. So you can be relieved that TF will go back to semi-retirement as the season winds down.

One other thing, I like "stirring the pot". Keeps things interesting around here and hope posters found some stuff interesting or at least got some amusement.

AgassiFan
09-14-2005, 11:12 PM
Well, that was Hewitt. Who cares about bagelling Hewit

No, the Agassi-Federer match at 2004 USO, which was the REAL Final of the tournament, btw. Federer was actually thinking of giving Andre a much-needed win that day as a late wedding gift, but after Andre missed those 4 sitters in the 5th set which would have given him 2 different service breaks, Roger thought better of it...

Yeah, he was serving great, but his return games--what was with those errors on the backhand and being a foot behind the baseline?

Yeah, cuz we've never seen Fed's BH misfire before... :rolleyes:



Sorry, Fed was too much at Agassi's mercy at 2-4, 0-30 and 2 mediocre returns which Andre for some reason didn't attack (unless, he was IN on it, too!) Agassi is known for "suddenly" finding his 1st serves and power BH when he is ahead in sets, so if he wins those 2 points in the 7th service game like he should have, and goes up 5-2, the third is lost for sure and there's a crazy momentum going for him in the 4th....

Too risky to even attempt something like that out of "pity", and Fed's superb serving, without which he might have lost in 3, pretty much nullifies your theory.

Dirk
09-14-2005, 11:44 PM
Listen son, I touted Roger for greatness ever since I saw him win the Victorian Jnr Championships in January 1998. I don't think you and Wanker-lover could say the same.

He only came to light for you mongrels after winning a slam.

I was a fan after US Swiss DC tie in 01. You hated Roger then probably and even more now. :lol:

Dirk
09-14-2005, 11:51 PM
Let's just rename this board "FedererTennisForums.com," shall we?

BEST POST IN MTF OF ALL TIME!!!!!!! :worship:

Tennis Fool
09-14-2005, 11:53 PM
No, the Agassi-Federer match at 2004 USO, which was the REAL Final of the tournament, btw. Federer was actually thinking of giving Andre a much-needed win that day as a late wedding gift, but after Andre missed those 4 sitters in the 5th set which would have given him 2 different service breaks, Roger thought better of it...
I can't comment on last year,s, as I only saw what was on the highlight reels.



Yeah, cuz we've never seen Fed's BH misfire before... :rolleyes:



Sorry, Fed was too much at Agassi's mercy at 2-4, 0-30 and 2 mediocre returns which Andre for some reason didn't attack (unless, he was IN on it, too!) Agassi is known for "suddenly" finding his 1st serves and power BH when he is ahead in sets, so if he wins those 2 points in the 7th service game like he should have, and goes up 5-2, the third is lost for sure and there's a crazy momentum going for him in the 4th....

Too risky to even attempt something like that out of "pity", and Fed's superb serving, without which he might have lost in 3, pretty much nullifies your theory.
Fair enough. You're right about the risk. It would have fairly arrogant of him to think he could toy and then turn up the fires at 2-4 down.

It just is that match so suddenly turned on a dime, it was amazing.

BTW, I'm curious to how you would grade Agassi's run at the Open?

AgassiFan
09-15-2005, 12:18 AM
BTW, I'm curious to how you would grade Agassi's run at the Open?


Considering how much blood, sweat and/or tears the bastard had to spill in the process, I give his USO run a rock-solid C+