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Konstantinos Economidis will challenge Federer

Merton
09-13-2005, 08:31 PM
Many posters have followed some type of transitivity argument to substantiate their opinions. In short, if player x wins against player y and player y wins against player z, then player x wins against player z. Most recently I saw that in the thread about young players to challenge Roger: The argument was that since Djokovic lost to Safin easily then Djokovic will not be able to challenge Roger in the future. My contribution to this transitivity type of reasoning will be to provide proof that the Mighty Konstantinos Economidis http://www.atptennis.atponline.net/en/players/playerprofiles/default2.asp?playersearch=Economidis,+Konstantinos
will emerge as the next challenger to Roger. Here is the evidence:

Economidis-Monaco, J. (2002, Jamaica Futures) 2-6, 6-3, 6-3
Monaco-Costa, A. (2005 Buenos Aires) 7-5, 6-4
Costa-Federer (2004, Rome) 3-6, 6-3, 6-2

Thoughts?

jazz_girl
09-13-2005, 08:36 PM
My thoughts? That Costa won't beat Federer ever again...

Merton
09-13-2005, 09:41 PM
You can never say never, but i tend to agree. However, you can pick any player that may beat Federer and i will find a finite path that connects him to Economidis. I chose Costa because it takes only 2 transitions. (Costa-Monaco)

howardean
09-13-2005, 09:44 PM
like six degrees of separation! (kevin bacon?? anyone??)

NYCtennisfan
09-14-2005, 12:17 AM
Not only will he challenge Federer but he will double bagel him.

alelysafina
09-14-2005, 12:42 AM
Not even a picture? Can we not see Federer's Only foe and nemisis?

Chloe le Bopper
09-14-2005, 12:49 AM
:haha:


Bravo!

Merton
09-14-2005, 01:19 AM
I found even stronger evidence that i missed during my first, superficial search:

Economidis-Nadal (2001, Barcelona, Ch. Qualifier R3): 3-6, 6-3, 6-3

This is not from the ATP site, since they don't have qualifiers, source is
http://www.tennisfacts.com/p1/E/A2439.htm

The evidence is now irrefutable: Economidis has won against Nadal on clay, something that Roger has not done so far.

Merton
09-14-2005, 01:22 AM
Not even a picture? Can we not see Federer's Only foe and nemisis?

Sorry, i googled him but could not find pictures :sad:

Chloe le Bopper
09-14-2005, 01:56 AM
http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/07Thurs/Economidis0152.jpg

http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/07Thurs/Economidis0152.jpg

Paul Banks
09-14-2005, 02:00 AM
I doubt Konstan can become more popular than Adam Chadaj - and he's certainly not as sexy as Andy Murray -, but yeah, it's fair to see Federer should retire now, if he wants to avoid the humiliation of being demolished on a regular basis by Econo.

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 02:02 AM
I prefer Vasilis Mazarakis personally to Economidis, but Konstantinos will revolutionise tennis.

Merton
09-14-2005, 02:26 AM
http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/07Thurs/Economidis0152.jpg

http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/07Thurs/Economidis0152.jpg

Thanks :D

Chloe le Bopper
09-14-2005, 02:51 AM
Oh, I posted the same photo twice.

I will find the second one later... there were two links, but I clearly blanked there.

Chloe le Bopper
09-14-2005, 02:52 AM
Here we go:

http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/06Wed/Economidis0067.jpg

SwissMister1
09-14-2005, 03:22 AM
I found even stronger evidence that i missed during my first, superficial search:

Economidis-Nadal (2001, Barcelona, Ch. Qualifier R3): 3-6, 6-3, 6-3

This is not from the ATP site, since they don't have qualifiers, source is
http://www.tennisfacts.com/p1/E/A2439.htm

The evidence is now irrefutable: Economidis has won against Nadal on clay, something that Roger has not done so far.

Economidis even won the tournament that week, beating David Ferrer along the way. He beat Coutelot in the final, the two of them probably shared bong hits afterwards, and that would explain why he's done nothing since. :smoke:

Merton
09-14-2005, 04:41 AM
Economidis even won the tournament that week, beating David Ferrer along the way. He beat Coutelot in the final, the two of them probably shared bong hits afterwards, and that would explain why he's done nothing since. :smoke:

That was Economidis' finest hour. Moreover, Nadal will never get the opportunity to take his revenge. It is highly unlikely that Kostas will ever appear even to the qualifiers of tournaments where Nadal plays.

Merton
09-14-2005, 04:43 AM
I prefer Vasilis Mazarakis personally to Economidis, but Konstantinos will revolutionise tennis.

Can you imagine the potential of the Greek Davis Cup team? I wonder why nobody mentions that :sad:

ketibeti
09-14-2005, 02:30 PM
this is stupid
so if my mom is mo mom and her mom is her mom, then her mom is my mom?

Merton
09-14-2005, 08:15 PM
this is stupid
so if my mom is mo mom and her mom is her mom, then her mom is my mom?

Exactly. Economidis won against Nadal, Nadal won against Federer so Economidis wins against Federer.

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 08:17 PM
Can you imagine the potential of the Greek Davis Cup team? I wonder why nobody mentions that :sad:

I mean if they could buy Baghdatis then they will have World Group status. :)

alelysafina
09-14-2005, 08:36 PM
Here we go:

http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/06Wed/Economidis0067.jpg

Thanks!

What's up with that!?!?!?! I thought greek guys were supposed to be hott?!?!? I feel jipped...

Merton
09-28-2005, 08:12 PM
I must be doing something wrong. Wertheim follows my logic in his latest column:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jon_wertheim/09/28/mailbag/3.html
If aging Andre Agassi can give Federer so much trouble when, in his prime, he couldn't handle Sampras, how does Federer become the best ever? Federer has the benefit of a weak field while Agassi and Sampras played against the cream of the crop over the past 20 years.
-- Gus Vlassis, Dalton, Pa.

If Roddick lost to Gilles Muller, who lost to Thomas Zib, who lost to Oliver Marach, isn't it fair to say that Roddick doesn't deserve to be in the top 200? The transitive property doesn't really work in tennis.

Action Jackson
12-07-2006, 06:43 AM
http://www.tennisaustralia.com.au/pages/article.aspx?id=4&articleid=ArticleID2006228153545&pageId=8309&HandlerId=1

Greek qualifier wins Kia International in Burnie
Sunday February 12, 2006

Greek qualifier Konstantinos Economidis won his second career ATP Challenger singles title when he defeated fourth seeded Australian Alun Jones in straight sets at the Kia International in Burnie this afternoon.

Economidis, aged 28, defeated Jones 6-4 6-2 in 1 hour and 10 minutes to notch up his seventh consecutive victory this week after winning through the qualifying rounds last weekend.

"This is unbelievable right now, when I arrived I had no thoughts of even winning this week, so I am quite surprised," said Economidis, whose ranking will rise from 572 to just outside the world’s top 350.

Economidis’s last victory at the ATP Tour level came in 2001 when he won the Challenger title in Barcelona where he defeated current Spanish Davis Cup player David Ferrer in the process.

The finalists began the match tentatively with the players exchanging service breaks in the opening two games. Jones had another opportunity at 2-1 to break serve in a game lasting five deuces, but the 25-year-old from Canberra failed to win that elusive point.

From then on, Economidis took control of the set, breaking Jones for a 3-2 lead and then dropping only four points in the next three service games to close out the set 6-3.

"I went on court wanting to play my game and at the start my serve and groundstrokes were really good, so I was very confident after the first few games."

Economidis only lost two sets all week, one yesterday in his win over Nathan Healey and the other to Adam Feeney in the last round of qualifying last Sunday.

"In hindsight, playing qualifying was a good thing for me because having never played here in Burnie, it allowed me to get used to the windy conditions here. At the start of the week, I was feeling very good with my game, especially my serve, and when I know that I am feeling good with the serve, it is going to be tough to break me."

This was Economidis’s first tournament back after taking the second-half of 2005 off due to personal reasons. "I was forced to take a few months off last year, but I overcame that and now I am enjoying life and the game so I am focused on doing well and getting my ranking back up to what it was a few years ago."

Jones’s performance here in Burnie will see his ranking of 236 lift to just inside the world’s top 210.

"He had a very high percentage of first serves in today and his use of the wind with his slice serve out wide was too good today," said Jones, who has now lost in both Challenger finals that he has competed in.

"I hated the thought of disappointing the Australian fans that came out here to support me today, but I felt that my forehand never really got going today and that certainly hindered my ability to overcome Konstantinos, who was very confident out there."

Action Jackson
12-07-2006, 06:44 AM
The Big Greek started at 572 and finished in the top 150 for the year, this is a huge achievement.

He will qualify and play Federer in the final while dividing Greek loyalties by defeating Baghdatis in the semis.

Merton
12-07-2006, 07:09 AM
The Big Greek started at 572 and finished in the top 150 for the year, this is a huge achievement.

He will qualify and play Federer in the final while dividing Greek loyalties by defeating Baghdatis in the semis.

:haha: I hope he shows up for the qualifier, he would feel right at home in Melbourne.

jazar
12-07-2006, 07:50 AM
i'm sure konstantinos will go on to dominate the men's games for years to come now there is statistical proof he will beat federer

scarecrows
12-07-2006, 07:56 AM
he wan 5 futures in a row down there last year; now, that takes some beating

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2006, 07:58 AM
Konstantinos is a good player; he had a very good year.

Can you find me proof instead that Connor Niland or Adam Vejmelka will beat him?

Action Jackson
12-07-2006, 09:48 AM
:haha: I hope he shows up for the qualifier, he would feel right at home in Melbourne.

No lack of yeeros or gyros bars in Melbourne at all and he has played there in the past. I think he will come down for sure, though I am not sure about the big V Mazarakis.

Macbrother
12-07-2006, 09:50 AM
The logic displayed here is indeed quite flawless.

its.like.that
12-07-2006, 10:00 AM
Konstantinos is a fine player, I had the pleasure of witnessing him at the Canberra Futures this year.

He is affectionately known to his fans as 'Adam Smith'.

;)

Action Jackson
12-07-2006, 10:05 AM
The flares and the chanting will be there at the AO qualies when Adam Smith takes further steps to making the top 100 as of next year.

its.like.that
12-07-2006, 10:06 AM
Hopefully he will be accompanied by his sidekick the big V.

Or perhaps it's the other way round.

Action Jackson
12-07-2006, 10:16 AM
All we need is Niko Karagianis to play doubles and there is a formidable Greek DC team.

The big V and Adam Smith in singles, with the legendary Karagiannis to play doubles. They will take the World Group by storm.

scarecrows
12-07-2006, 10:25 AM
can Danilidou play DC too?

she looks like man as much as Adam Smith does

Action Jackson
12-07-2006, 10:29 AM
can Danilidou play DC too?

she looks like man as much as Adam Smith does

If she plays, they will never make the World Group.

Monteque
12-07-2006, 11:55 AM
Many posters have followed some type of transitivity argument to substantiate their opinions. In short, if player x wins against player y and player y wins against player z, then player x wins against player z. Most recently I saw that in the thread about young players to challenge Roger: The argument was that since Djokovic lost to Safin easily then Djokovic will not be able to challenge Roger in the future. My contribution to this transitivity type of reasoning will be to provide proof that the Mighty Konstantinos Economidis http://www.atptennis.atponline.net/en/players/playerprofiles/default2.asp?playersearch=Economidis,+Konstantinos
will emerge as the next challenger to Roger. Here is the evidence:

Economidis-Monaco, J. (2002, Jamaica Futures) 2-6, 6-3, 6-3
Monaco-Costa, A. (2005 Buenos Aires) 7-5, 6-4
Costa-Federer (2004, Rome) 3-6, 6-3, 6-2

Thoughts?

Nothing is impossible.

I remember watching Gasquet for the first time when he was playing Davy in MC'05. And then i felt sorry for him to meet Roger next round. I swear i thought before, it would be a total butchering. Well, I'm shocked, how could that Richard (i didn't know anything about this guy while i was watching him for the 2nd time) defeated Roger.....so yeah your opinion about Economidis will beat Roger is acceptable.

The problem is, it'll be very desperate percentage to Economydis to do it. No offense, but i think there are so many young guns have bigger chance to do it.

I never hear about Economydis before, but it takes my attention a lot because HIS NAME is very unique. :D

GlennMirnyi
12-07-2006, 06:13 PM
You take that logic to incredible heights and you get to this:
Federer defeated Sampras
Sampras defeated Volkov (many times)
Volkov defeated Borg in Moscow 93

Economidis is better than Borg.

keqtqiadv
12-07-2006, 06:15 PM
yeah, Julio Silva should challenge Federer as well.

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2006, 06:16 PM
No lack of yeeros or gyros bars in Melbourne at all and he has played there in the past. I think he will come down for sure, though I am not sure about the big V Mazarakis.

Vasilis gave Vassallo Arguello a real scare in Paris this year. Spread out over two days, Vasilis was pretty much equal from what I saw. And the Argentine then went on to reach the fourth round ;)

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2006, 06:22 PM
yeah, Julio Silva should challenge Federer as well.

I found something even better!

Andreas Vinciguerra beat Roger Federer, 7-5 7-6 (3), Stockholm 2000
Damian Patriarca beat Andreas Vinciguerra, 6-2 1-6 6-3, Geneva 2006
Ricardo Chile beat Damian Patriarca, 6-0 6-1, Mendoza Future 2006

So, if Chile already crushes Patriarca like that, he would surely double bagel Federer!

Metis
12-07-2006, 07:09 PM
When Federer wrote in his Tokyo blog that he had that painful nightmare because of the Japanese food, everyone believed him. However the people who were sleeping next door reported hearing him scream something like "economy". They concluded Roger had just dreamt about flying all the way back home economy class. What they didn't know was that Economidis was in his half of the draw. ;)

http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/image/player/IO_19312_player.JPG

Action Jackson
12-08-2006, 02:12 AM
When Federer wrote in his Tokyo blog that he had that painful nightmare because of the Japanese food, everyone believed him. However the people who were sleeping next door reported hearing him scream something like "economy". They concluded Roger had just dreamt about flying all the way back home economy class. What they didn't know was that Economidis was in his half of the draw. ;)

http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/image/player/IO_19312_player.JPG

:haha: :haha:

Action Jackson
12-11-2006, 06:50 AM
Great theory to back up that Economidis will be challenging Federer.

MariaV
12-11-2006, 07:41 AM
I thought it was Xristos the big X to challenge and completely crush Federer in 2008? :shrug:

scarecrows
12-11-2006, 07:43 AM
Kosta is gonna do it in 2007

2008 it'll be X's turn

MariaV
12-11-2006, 07:46 AM
Kosta is gonna do it in 2007

2008 it'll be X's turn

Ah OK, I see. So Fed will be ready for his downfall in 2008.

scarecrows
12-11-2006, 09:11 AM
well, 2007 will probably see him drop to no. 3 after Kostantinos and Larsi

dont know about 2008 but I heard that Sanguinetti's goal is to arrive in that season in his best shape ever

MariaV
12-11-2006, 10:56 AM
No no no, Xristos will rule the ATP Mickey Mouse tour in 2008! :rocker:

Blue Heart24
12-11-2006, 01:05 PM
:haha:

FSRteam
12-11-2006, 01:43 PM
stephane bohli (ATP 240) will then become n°1 swiss player since he beat konstantinos economidis 6-3 7-6 in the tennis interclubs in France last november!!! ;)

PamV
12-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Many posters have followed some type of transitivity argument to substantiate their opinions. In short, if player x wins against player y and player y wins against player z, then player x wins against player z. Most recently I saw that in the thread about young players to challenge Roger: The argument was that since Djokovic lost to Safin easily then Djokovic will not be able to challenge Roger in the future. My contribution to this transitivity type of reasoning will be to provide proof that the Mighty Konstantinos Economidis http://www.atptennis.atponline.net/en/players/playerprofiles/default2.asp?playersearch=Economidis,+Konstantinos
will emerge as the next challenger to Roger. Here is the evidence:

Economidis-Monaco, J. (2002, Jamaica Futures) 2-6, 6-3, 6-3
Monaco-Costa, A. (2005 Buenos Aires) 7-5, 6-4
Costa-Federer (2004, Rome) 3-6, 6-3, 6-2

Thoughts?


Federer is 3-2 over Costa and he beat him the last time in the USOpen 2004. So that wipes out your theory.

The link to Economidis did not work for me. How old is he?

PamV
12-11-2006, 03:40 PM
I must be doing something wrong. Wertheim follows my logic in his latest column:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jon_wertheim/09/28/mailbag/3.html
If aging Andre Agassi can give Federer so much trouble when, in his prime, he couldn't handle Sampras, how does Federer become the best ever? Federer has the benefit of a weak field while Agassi and Sampras played against the cream of the crop over the past 20 years.
-- Gus Vlassis, Dalton, Pa.

If Roddick lost to Gilles Muller, who lost to Thomas Zib, who lost to Oliver Marach, isn't it fair to say that Roddick doesn't deserve to be in the top 200? The transitive property doesn't really work in tennis.

Obviously there is more to it that that. When Agassi gave Federer trouble in the 2005 USOpen Final it was more about Federer's nerves during the occassion of playing Agassi there in NYC and what it all meant. Federer beat Agassi in the 2003 TMC and in 2004 IW and USOpen 2004 QF when Agassi was still playing great

Part of Roger's greatness is the way he plays so many tournaments in a row an wins. In the field that Pete faced he could afford to win only 1 or 2 majors in a year and still stay #1. Pete didn't have to win 3 or 4 MS on top of that.

Action Jackson
12-11-2006, 03:40 PM
PamV, is there any reason you are taking this thread seriously.

Rafa = Fed Killa
12-11-2006, 03:50 PM
PamV, is there any reason you are taking this thread seriously.

Fedtards to do not understand satire or humor. Their brain is diseased but don't worry I will cure them in January.

Merton
12-11-2006, 04:05 PM
You take that logic to incredible heights and you get to this:
Federer defeated Sampras
Sampras defeated Volkov (many times)
Volkov defeated Borg in Moscow 93

Economidis is better than Borg.

This is a brilliant application of the logic in this thread, I would just take your point one step further to conclude that Economidis is the best clay court player ever.

Merton
12-11-2006, 04:07 PM
Great theory to back up that Economidis will be challenging Federer.

The funniest thing is that many people use this type of reasoning seriously without even understanding it.

kostas kastoria
12-11-2006, 04:23 PM
hi anybody have any match of konstantinos or vasilis in dvd or torrent please msg me.

Action Jackson
12-11-2006, 04:25 PM
The funniest thing is that many people use this type of reasoning seriously without even understanding it.

For sure and that is scary and I will be checking the form of the big Greek when I am there in Melbourne.

kostas kastoria
12-11-2006, 05:42 PM
hi i want to ask u if any has match of konstantinos economidis or vasilis mazarakis in dvd or torrent please answer me.thanks

Merton
04-14-2007, 04:26 AM
BUMP

Sorry Kostas, I don't have anything here. (here=US.)

Action Jackson
09-12-2009, 04:17 PM
One of Greece's finest.

Baghdatis#1
09-12-2009, 05:58 PM
He was so close to top 100:sobbing:
He even came back this year and played some futures, challengers, and even Davis Cup. In April he got to the quarters of the Athens Challenger, then qualified at the Sofia Challenger and lost to Hrbaty in R1 6-0 in the third so something must've been wrong if he won a set and then was destroyed in the 3rd. He got injured in DC, and so did Kleftakos so Jakupovic was the only one not injured on the team, so we couldn't win any more ties and have to stay in G3:sad:
Since then, Economidis has been inactive:(