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Young Players that can challenge Roger?

prima donna
09-13-2005, 05:26 PM
Let's be serious ... no old man is going to knock Roger off his pedastool (one which he has earned to sit on and reign as the King Of Tennis)

So, which of the youngsters has the game to possibly trouble Roger in the future ?

I'd say, in this particular order:
1). Gasquet
- Beautiful one-handed backhand, just so carefree and loose. Made some shots that I've only seen Roger make (in a losing effort to Ginperi), this guy offers the entire package.
His forehand is high quality.
Backhand is superb.
He has power, precision and is fearless as a lion. His only potential weakness could be, a lack of variety and his serve could use some improvement ... which will come along as his body matures ... he is still quite young and not done growing in height & his shoulders will get a tad wider as well. Most of all, Gasquet is a FAST court player. If he actually had a good serve, we could be looking at a rival for Federer ... ON GRASS & HARD COURTS!
2). Monfils
I think that Gael Monfils is filled with potential and could end up being a combination of Marat Safin / Andy Roddick, Andy Roddick's power, Marat's body, flexibility and strength, also his variety. Monfils' game could use a little maturing, he should add in a few slices and play points more patiently. He stands 10 feet behind the baseline, plays too much like clay points, needs to utilize his strength, step inside the baseline ... take the ball off the rise. The only thing that could get in his way is a lack of mental strength, which showed after Djokovic was able to con him this 1st US Open ... experience teaches all however. The only way to beat Roger is using power and precision, which is what Marat was able to do in Australia ... Monfils has it.
3). Nadal
Nadal is Roger's NEW Nalbandian, i don't see this kid as much trouble ... honestly. Roger played terrible tennis and nearly had him in a 5th set, until being forced to play in the dark ... which was unfair to him ... all excuses aside ... Nadal won "fair and square" , but the gap between Nadal & Fedex is small ... if there is one ... it's to Federer's advantage ... I don't see why many believe Nadal to be so much trouble for Roger ... they've played 1 time when he had heat stroke, another time on an extremely slow surface in Miami and in Paris, where Federer nearly took it to a 5th set even with 60 UFE ... if he cleans up his play and improvises his strategy on clay a tad bit ... possibly improve net play also ... why could he not dominate Nadal ? I just don't see it, I'm sorry. I know everyone wants to create a rival for Roger, but Nadal isn't the one ... he's a young Carlos Moya ... I'd still go with Roger ... ON ANY SURFACE against Nadal.

All of his Top Spin is a tad difficult for Roger to adjust to, but we know our Swiss friend loves a challenge and it's only a short period of time before he begins to dominate their "rivalry"


Realistically speaking, Monfils has the best physical attributes, Gasquet most raw talent, Nadal probably the most mentally strong. It will be interesting to see, but I look forward to Federer V Gasquet in the future for sure ... if you want to take down the King you need to be young & vibrant ... not old and approaching retirement ... no disrespect intended towards Andre. :)

Scotso
09-13-2005, 05:51 PM
All of those will challenge him.

vincayou
09-13-2005, 05:51 PM
Interesting point of view. But it won't prevent you to be eaten alive by rafatards on this board. :lol:

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 05:55 PM
Rafa's just lucky that Roger is coincidentally always sick, injured, or cheated when they play. Lighting does strike three times, and don't you ever let anybody tell you otherwise.

Soon, Gasquet will win every match he plays 6-0 6-0, including those over Roger and Rafa.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 05:56 PM
Interesting point of view. But it won't prevent you to be eaten alive by rafatards on this board. :lol:
Somebody needs to balance out the Gasquettard who created the thread, yo.

Okay, maybe it was a Monfilstard.

Maybe just a general Frenchtard?

Either way.

savesthedizzle
09-13-2005, 05:57 PM
They will all challenge him. As well as Djokovic who you have a clear distaste for and therefore did not include in the poll.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 05:58 PM
They will all challenge him. As well as Djokovic who you have a clear distaste for and therefore did not include in the poll.
;)

Clara Bow
09-13-2005, 05:58 PM
Well- I guess I am Rafatard for saying that one thing that people seem to forget is that Nadal was not playing his best clay court tennis by any means when he played Roger. Yeah- Roger was not playing well, but Nadal was not playing 100% .

I actually think that Rafa's best clay court tennis was during the early rounds of Rome. Uncle Toni even said that Nadal didn't really play as well during the FO as he did during earlier in the clay season.

To answer the question, I think all could challange Roger on different surfaces.

They will all challenge him. As well as Djokovic who you have a clear distaste for and therefore did not include in the poll.

Oh yes...Wheezy could be a challange, although I think he will need to improve his lung capacity. Boy needs to start running more often in his training to help with his respiratory problems since they seem to be an ongoing issue.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:00 PM
Well- I guess I am Rafatard for saying that one thing that people seem to forget is that Nadal was not playing his best clay court tennis by any means when he played Roger. Yeah- Roger was not playing well, but Nadal was not playing 100% .

Untrue! Rafa was playing his best tennis ever, and Roger was hardly scraping by at 5% of his abilities. Furthermore, Rafa has light rays that shine from his eyes, so he didn't have to deal with the darker conditions like Roger did.

It's been a while ;)

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:04 PM
Interesting point of view. But it won't prevent you to be eaten alive by rafatards on this board. :lol:
Well, for sure. I fully expect that.

However, Nadal is all hype as of right now ... he's only proven himself on Clay, but let's not make this thread about Nadal. He's not a complete and all-around player, his game is defense on clay.

Gasquet, Monfils, Berdych bring forth versatility. Once Roger figures Nadal out, what other options does he really have ? None, offense can adjust, defense can't.

Castafiore
09-13-2005, 06:05 PM
oh boy, this is going to be another one of these :bolt: threads, isn't it?

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:06 PM
:haha:

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:06 PM
oh boy, this is going to be another one of these :bolt: threads, isn't it?
Stupid is as stupid does :hearts:

savesthedizzle
09-13-2005, 06:07 PM
Well, for sure. I fully expect that.

However, Nadal is all hype as of right now ... he's only proven himself on Clay, but let's not make this thread about Nadal. He's not a complete and all-around player, his game is defense on clay.

Gasquet, Monfils, Berdych bring forth versatility. Once Roger figures Nadal out, what other options does he really have ? None, offense can adjust, defense can't.


A lot of players who have only proven themselves on clay would love a hard court TMS shield and another hard court TMS final. :retard:

If you don't want this thread to be all about Nadal, you should not have provided such an obvious answer to your question.

Merton
09-13-2005, 06:07 PM
1. Gasquet has a good serve when he is healthy.
2. All youngsters will improve and adjust their games, it is not easy to predict how their matchup with Roger will evolve. For example, Monfils has obvious technical deficiencies on which he can work on, you cannot make the claim at this time that clay will always be his favourite surface.
3. Excuses and justifications for Roger's loses are easy to come, i can add to what you said that during the Berdych match in Athens it was windy, very hot and Roger felt like committing many unforced errors. According to this logic, Roger's recent match in Hamburg shows how their rivalry will evolve in the next 15 years, no need to consider the Athens match.
4. You forgot to mention Berdych alltogether.

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:09 PM
Somebody needs to balance out the Gasquettard who created the thread, yo.

Okay, maybe it was a Monfilstard.

Maybe just a general Frenchtard?

Either way.

I just see him as someone with a decent knowledge of tennis. :)

Merton
09-13-2005, 06:10 PM
Untrue! Rafa was playing his best tennis ever, and Roger was hardly scraping by at 5% of his abilities. Furthermore, Rafa has light rays that shine from his eyes, so he didn't have to deal with the darker conditions like Roger did.

It's been a while ;)

Not to mention that in the match against Berdych, the wind was only blowing on Fed's part of the court.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:11 PM
Also, what about Murray? I mean, it's a touch silly to discuss "young players" and leave him and Djokovic out. Even the always nice "other" option would have done.

The poll itself blows. So don't whine that this thread becomes about Rafa, when you asked for :devil:

Scotso
09-13-2005, 06:12 PM
A lot of players who have only proven themselves on clay would love a hard court TMS shield and another hard court TMS final. :retard:

If you don't want this thread to be all about Nadal, you should not have provided such an obvious answer to your question.

You beat me to it. :retard:

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:12 PM
oh boy, this is going to be another one of these :bolt: threads, isn't it?

These threads are the best. :yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:12 PM
I just see him as someone with a decent knowledge of tennis. :)
I do hope that you're kidding. I could have come up with the same post after reading a few NYT articles.

savesthedizzle
09-13-2005, 06:12 PM
Also, what about Murray? I mean, it's a touch silly to discuss "young players" and leave him and Djokovic out. Even the always nice "other" option would have done.

The poll itself blows. So don't whine that this thread becomes about Rafa, when you asked for :devil:


You also know this person must be a great fan of Berdych's to not spell his first name correctly.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:12 PM
Not to mention that in the match against Berdych, the wind was only blowing on Fed's part of the court.
What a cruel world Fed lives in :(

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:14 PM
1. Gasquet has a good serve when he is healthy.
2. All youngsters will improve and adjust their games, it is not easy to predict how their matchup with Roger will evolve. For example, Monfils has obvious technical deficiencies on which he can work on, you cannot make the claim at this time that clay will always be his favourite surface.
3. Excuses and justifications for Roger's loses are easy to come, i can add to what you said that during the Berdych match in Athens it was windy, very hot and Roger felt like committing many unforced errors. According to this logic, Roger's recent match in Hamburg shows how their rivalry will evolve in the next 15 years, no need to consider the Athens match.
4. You forgot to mention Berdych alltogether.
I haven't watched enough of Berdych to really say much of anything about him, however, I did include him in the poll. I saw a glimpse of his talent against Agassi, he seems to be really hot or cold ... also lacking in the conditioning area ... took out Nadal also in Cincy, yes ? Quite a game he must have to take out Roger and his new so-called rival. I expect he may pose a bit of trouble in the future, but we shall see how it is handled.

Roger's genius talent can be neutralized with power and cleverness. Safin played a hell of a match in Australia, to this day, I still see flash backs of it and that defeat still haunts me ... almost as much as the between the leg shot Roger attempted on match point. :( This guy Berdych hits the ball clean and early, his mobility and fitness right now isn't where it should be ... so who knows until then ? The cool thing is, these kids can play on every surface ... this new batch coming out of Europe ... I'm really anticipating what's to come in the next few years ...

Djokovic's game, eh, I don't think can cause many problems. Also, Safin beat him 0-1-0 at the Aussie Open, don't hold your breath against Roger ....

Castafiore
09-13-2005, 06:15 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the thread starter already got banned from this place once before...whined about the ban on another board and he's now back in full glory

(am I right or am I right?)

Scotso
09-13-2005, 06:16 PM
Berdych is not my favorite, though I do like him. So this isn't just biased favortism... but if Berdych manages to get his head together, he will be the #1 player in the world.

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:17 PM
How does it happen that Rafatard are often Djokovictard as well?

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:17 PM
Djokovic's game, eh, I don't think can cause many problems. Also, Safin beat him 0-1-0 at the Aussie Open, don't hold your breath against Roger ....

Actually, no. He didn't. That score did not occur.

Berdych lost to Agassi 6-0 6-2 6-4 in Australia 2004, so I guess it's safe to say he won't have caused Roger any problems after that point.

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:17 PM
Also, what about Murray? I mean, it's a touch silly to discuss "young players" and leave him and Djokovic out. Even the always nice "other" option would have done.

The poll itself blows. So don't whine that this thread becomes about Rafa, when you asked for :devil:

Murray is a modernized version of Tim Henman, not very strong, plays the percentages & safe tennis. He might be affective if we were still using wooden tennis racquets and ancient equipment. Possibly could have been a factor in the days of Bill Tilden. I mentioned the players that have the physical & mental attributes, as well as games that could trouble Federer. The ability to adjust and adapt. Murray's serve is a tad spotty, his groundies lack pace and the old trick of using your oppositions pace against them is counterproductive against Fedex. He gives you really none. :)

If I were to mention Murray, that would be as questionable as mentioning Donald Young. It's just a tad silly to me, sounds like rubbish. :)

Scotso
09-13-2005, 06:18 PM
Djokovic's game, eh, I don't think can cause many problems. Also, Safin beat him 0-1-0 at the Aussie Open, don't hold your breath against Roger ....

All players have had bad losses. The kid was 17 and playing the biggest match of his life.

And the score, my friend, was 0 2 and 1.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:18 PM
Murray is a modernized version of Tim Henman, not very strong, plays the percentages & safe tennis. He might be affective if we were still using wooden tennis racquets and ancient equipment.

Um.


If I were to mention Murray, that would be as questionable as mentioning Donald Young. It's just a tad silly to me, sounds like rubbish. :)

I can't believe that I'm dignifying this one with more of an "um"... but Murray is going to be top 100 very very soon. Donald Young is still a junior.

:retard:

Scotso
09-13-2005, 06:19 PM
Also, Safin may have played a great match in Australia, but he still should have lost. Federer choked.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:19 PM
How does it happen that Rafatard are often Djokovictard as well?

TEENAGERS.

Lee
09-13-2005, 06:19 PM
I mentioned the players that have the physical & mental attributes, as well as games that could trouble Federer. The ability to adjust and adapt.

Then why put Nadal in the poll as you mentioned he lacks the attributes to trouble Federer?

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:19 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the thread starter already got banned from this place once before...whined about the ban on another board and he's now back in full glory

(am I right or am I right?)
What were they banned for?

savesthedizzle
09-13-2005, 06:20 PM
Murray is a modernized version of Tim Henman, not very strong, plays the percentages & safe tennis. He might be affective if we were still using wooden tennis racquets and ancient equipment. Possibly could have been a factor in the days of Bill Tilden. I mentioned the players that have the physical & mental attributes, as well as games that could trouble Federer. The ability to adjust and adapt. Murray's serve is a tad spotty, his groundies lack pace and the old trick of using your oppositions pace against them is counterproductive against Fedex. He gives you really none. :)

If I were to mention Murray, that would be as questionable as mentioning Donald Young. It's just a tad silly to me, sounds like rubbish. :)


Erm, has Young won an ATP match yet?

I do believe Murray has.

I do not see how the two are equatable.

Clara Bow
09-13-2005, 06:20 PM
Also, what about Murray?

Oh yes, Sir Pukes-a-lot.

I think he could really be a tough little guy in a couple of years. Still someone who needs to get better fitness, but he does have a really scrappy attitude and that could bode well for him. Have liked what I have seen of him on faster surfaces, but have yet to see him on Rebound Ace or clay. Is anyone familiar with how he plays on slower surfaces?

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:22 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the thread starter already got banned from this place once before...whined about the ban on another board and he's now back in full glory

(am I right or am I right?)

Wow, this is lots of negativity simply because I feel opposed to Nadal's chances against Fedex.

In response to your question:
Thread deleted, maybe a tad inappropriate, implying that Nadal would be dismissed from the U.S Open within the first week.

I've really said or done nothing wrong, I didn't mention a few players in this thread because I didn't think they could trouble Roger ... if you feel different ... then I guess the purpose of the board would be to add your input ...

Berdych has beat big time players.
Monfils has the body and game.
Gasquet has the raw talent.

I just don't want to create hype and build up players that haven't done anything yet, shown any potential or could just end up being disappointments ... otherwise we will be here all day ... I don't care much for Djokovic, but that had little to do with me not including him. More so, the fact that I was not impressed by his game.

Lee
09-13-2005, 06:22 PM
Oh yes, Sir Pukes-a-lot.


:lol: He will be the next Sampras and wins 7 Wimbledon titles. He has the same attribute as Sampras in puking on court. :p

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:22 PM
TEENAGERS.

Well they are not that often Murraytard or Gasquettard, not to mention Monfilstard.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:22 PM
Oh yes, Sir Pukes-a-lot.

I think he could really be a tough little guy in a couple of years. Still someone who needs to get better fitness, but he does have a really scrappy attitude and that could bode well for him. Have liked what I have seen of him on faster surfaces, but have yet to see him on Rebound Ace or clay. Is anyone familiar with how he plays on slower surfaces?
I was under the impression that he called clay his favourite surface, but I suppose that could have been a misquote. Or perhaps he said that just before passing the bong. Or maybe he's actually quite good on it and just wasn't posting the results before because he didn't have the same confidence that he had post wimbledon. Something to look forward to finding out :)

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:22 PM
Well they are not that often Murraytard or Gasquettard, not to mention Monfilstard.
I'm a tard of all of these.

Castafiore
09-13-2005, 06:23 PM
What were they banned for?
You'd have to ask somebody else because I ignored most of that thread after I read the initial posts (but I recognize the signature, the style of writing, similar user name declaring devotion to Myskina and his undying love for Nadal).

Scotso
09-13-2005, 06:24 PM
Clay is Murray's favorite surface. He trains on clay in Spain.

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:25 PM
Then why put Nadal in the poll as you mentioned he lacks the attributes to trouble Federer?

Well, my personal opinion is contradicted by Federer's losing record (regardless of the conditions) to Nadal, the last time they played Roger lost. Regardless of what I think will occur between these two in the future, the fact remains Nadal has a winning record against Federer for the time being and has thrown off his timing in 2 of their meetings.

I'm obligated to include Nadal, believe me, If I had a choice in the matter I would have left him out. Lots of players give Roger trouble in the first few meetings, only later to be properly dealt with.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:26 PM
I don't care much for Djokovic, but that had little to do with me not including him. More so, the fact that I was not impressed by his game.

So unimpressed by his game were you that you actually took away games that he won in protest :eek:

Please, write another post on how Murray is a modern day Tim Henman.

1sun
09-13-2005, 06:26 PM
nadal for now, if roger is still on top in a couple of years, then gasquet

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:27 PM
I do hope that you're kidding. I could have come up with the same post after reading a few NYT articles.

I think he has an opinion which doesn't deserve :retard:
I don't agree with everything, but some of the reaction here make me laugh as much. I mean, he would have stated that Rafa would be eliminated in the first week of USO, he would have received the same kind of treatment. Right? ;)

Scotso
09-13-2005, 06:27 PM
Nadal beats Federer because he's not afraid of him. Federer is a God to many of his fellow players, which makes them lose to him by default. If they would stop fearing him, they would probably have better success. He'd still be #1, but not so dominant.

savesthedizzle
09-13-2005, 06:27 PM
So unimpressed by his game were you that you actually took away games that he won in protest :eek:

Please, write another post on how Murray is a modern day Tim Henman.


They are both British!!! You need more substantial information than that?! :p

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:29 PM
Oh yes, Sir Pukes-a-lot.

I think he could really be a tough little guy in a couple of years. Still someone who needs to get better fitness, but he does have a really scrappy attitude and that could bode well for him. Have liked what I have seen of him on faster surfaces, but have yet to see him on Rebound Ace or clay. Is anyone familiar with how he plays on slower surfaces?

Clay is supposed to be his favourite surface, but I don't see it as where he will get his better results. He's another very good teenager with interesting change of pace. What a promising generation.

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:31 PM
I think he has an opinion which doesn't deserve :retard:

He thinks that the inclusion of Murray would necessitate the inclusion of Donald Young!

He called Murray a "modernized Tim Henman"!

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

I don't agree with everything, but some of the reaction here make me laugh as much. I mean, he would have stated that Rafa would be eliminated in the first week of USO, he would have received the same kind of treatment. Right? ;)

Dude, who is even talking about Rafa anymore?

HE THINKS MURRAY IS A MODERNIZED TIM HENMAN.

I can't handle it!

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:32 PM
I appreciate the sport of tennis for what it is, a sport of the mind and body. Tennis is a game of chess. Strategy is everything. In this modern era, body plays a larger role it seems. I respect all styles of play, no matter how hard on the eye they are. This Gasquet kid is the real deal, he has it all. I watched him play and it's plain scary. I've never been a fan of any particular player, more a fan of their game.

It's not as if I am on any Gasquet, Monfils or Berdych bandwagon. I just state what I see, that's that.

I admire Federer's game much like anyone else, I also admired Bjorn Borg's game, though that was before my time, also admired the game of Rod Laver. Thank God for ESPN Classic and TTC.

I'd just like to set the record straight, has nothing to do with "hating" another player or any of that. I don't even know why Casta felt the need to bring up something that occured weeks ago, it's as if you're looking for trouble. This board has less drama than a few others and normally great tennis discussion. If you wish to take up something with me said on another board, well, post and we shall speak there. I'm not here to ignite a riot.

silverwhite
09-13-2005, 06:33 PM
Rafa's just lucky that Roger is coincidentally always sick, injured, or cheated when they play. Lighting does strike three times, and don't you ever let anybody tell you otherwise.

Soon, Gasquet will win every match he plays 6-0 6-0, including those over Roger and Rafa.
Somebody needs to balance out the Gasquettard who created the thread, yo.

Okay, maybe it was a Monfilstard.

Maybe just a general Frenchtard?

Either way.

Now, now... ;)

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:33 PM
I'm a tard of all of these.

Me too. I even hope that Donald Young will come out good.

silverwhite
09-13-2005, 06:34 PM
I think he has an opinion which doesn't deserve :retard:
I don't agree with everything, but some of the reaction here make me laugh as much. I mean, he would have stated that Rafa would be eliminated in the first week of USO, he would have received the same kind of treatment. Right? ;)

Yup. :)

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:34 PM
Now, now... ;)
Oh, don't worry. I got off the Rafatarding and proceeded to Murraytard and Djokovicbop.

This thread needed a lot of work.

Why must Richard wear hats?

vincayou
09-13-2005, 06:35 PM
He thinks that the inclusion of Murray would necessitate the inclusion of Donald Young!

He called Murray a "modernized Tim Henman"!

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!



Dude, who is even talking about Rafa anymore?

HE THINKS MURRAY IS A MODERNIZED TIM HENMAN.

I can't handle it!

OK, I agree, THAT was a bit silly to compare Henman to Murray. :)

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 06:38 PM
OK, I agree, THAT was a bit silly to compare Henman to Murray. :)
Not that I was taking him seriously beforehand, but any chance of me ever taking this poster seriously in the future has been seriously threatened by that err!

But it did make for a snappy signature comment.

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:42 PM
He thinks that the inclusion of Murray would necessitate the inclusion of Donald Young!

He called Murray a "modernized Tim Henman"!

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!



Dude, who is even talking about Rafa anymore?

HE THINKS MURRAY IS A MODERNIZED TIM HENMAN.

I can't handle it!

Murray is a tad on the frail side, his game isn't very up to date. Quite old-fashioned, has many holes and is attackable. His speed and agility are not there. He doesn't show much "natural" talent or flare. A guy like, well, Andy Roddick could simply dismiss him in 60 minutes with elementary tactics.

JUST HIT THE BALL HARD.

He's too attackable, he's a defensive player, but doesn't have any speed ? I mean, he settles too much for a passive mode of play. I don't quite understand the hype of Murray, I've always seen it of a joke.

I can't get it with Murray.
He's not finesse, because he's not nearly efficient/precise enough. Doesn't show much raw ability.
He's not defensive, he's not fast enough and his body is frail, even if he tried to be on the defensive, may end up with his eye socket hanging out against a player like Safin, Roddick or Monfils. Guys that bang the ball.

So, what gives ? Technician ? Defensive strategy ? Power game ? Tim Henman worked with what little he was given, a 6'1" body on a 160lbs soaking wet frame. Murray is what comes about from years and years of refusing to lose the "country club mentality" of only allowing priviledged/wealthy Brits participate in sports such as Golf & Tennis.

prima donna
09-13-2005, 06:44 PM
OK, I agree, THAT was a bit silly to compare Henman to Murray. :)

For sure, they don't have near the same game.

But, same body type, physical abilities and so on. Tim was a great player but could only do so much, he reached a point and he could go no further his physique would not let him.

Murray will be the same way, didn't they used to have him listed at 6'0 + and 150lbs ? Kim Clijsters outweighed him at 5'8" for crying out loud ....

LoveFifteen
09-13-2005, 06:44 PM
I think Gasquet needs to improve his endurance and fitness. Same with Murray.

For now Nadal is the only threat to Roger. Hope they play a lot more.

Papakori
09-13-2005, 06:45 PM
Berdych

silverwhite
09-13-2005, 06:57 PM
1). Gasquet
- Beautiful one-handed backhand, just so carefree and loose. Made some shots that I've only seen Roger make (in a losing effort to Ginperi), this guy offers the entire package.
His forehand is high quality.
Backhand is superb.
He has power, precision and is fearless as a lion. His only potential weakness could be, a lack of variety and his serve could use some improvement ... which will come along as his body matures ... he is still quite young and not done growing in height & his shoulders will get a tad wider as well. Most of all, Gasquet is a FAST court player. If he actually had a good serve, we could be looking at a rival for Federer ... ON GRASS & HARD COURTS!


Since I'm what Crazy Canuck would call a Gasquettard, I shall respond to this part of the post.

1) FH is high quality? Sure, it produces winners, but a bunch of UEs as well.
2) Can't disagree about the BH.
3) Fearless as a lion? Hmm...
4) Lack of variety? Hmm...
5) Serve isn't good? You must have only watched his Cincy and USO matches.
6) You neglected to mention his lack of fitness, which has been a great liability.

Unless he improves on some of his weaknesses, I don't think he will beat Jesus Fed in the near future.

At Monte-Carlo, Jesus Fed was off his game, but still made the match tight. And the claycourts weren't watered, of course. ;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-13-2005, 07:10 PM
I think everyone can challenge Federer, for me it's my Andy Murray:hug:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-13-2005, 07:12 PM
OK, I agree, THAT was a bit silly to compare Henman to Murray. :)

a bit :haha:

They have different playing styles and Henman turns into dust, he plays like crap... Murray is on his OWN way...

prima donna
09-13-2005, 07:14 PM
Since I'm what Crazy Canuck would call a Gasquettard, I shall respond to this part of the post.

1) FH is high quality? Sure, it produces winners, but a bunch of UEs as well.
2) Can't disagree about the BH.
3) Fearless as a lion? Hmm...
4) Lack of variety? Hmm...
5) Serve isn't good? You must have only watched his Cincy and USO matches.
6) You neglected to mention his lack of fitness, which has been a great liability.

Unless he improves on some of his weaknesses, I don't think he will beat Jesus Fed in the near future.

At Monte-Carlo, Jesus Fed was off his game, but still made the match tight. And the claycourts weren't watered, of course. ;)

He should do more with slices and spins I mean, as far as the variety is concerned. I feel he does not mix it up against his opponents, which gives them far too many openings and is to blame for his UFE.

Also, his serve is mediocre. I saw him against Fed in MC, and Live in Hamburg. That could use major improvement.

Conditioning seems to be a problem for lots of the young players, probably due to lack of self-discipline off the court. I'm sure this will improve along with his game.

He's one hell of a talent and shot maker, just clean up the game a bit and add to that serve ... variety also ... he will have a pretty game.

prima donna
09-13-2005, 07:15 PM
a bit :haha:

They have different playing styles and Henman turns into dust, he plays like crap... Murray is on his OWN way...


My Tim Henman comparison was in relation to their frail bodies and not their games. They are not physically gifted, at all. Very non-athletic and slow.

RogiFan88
09-13-2005, 07:16 PM
sure the "old" guys and I incl guys like Guille and Nalby and Pandypoo will continue to challenge Rogi but it's the "new" generation [Rafa, Richard, Tomas, etc.] who are the ones to truly challenge and prove a "threat" not only to ROGI but to the others of his generation

*julie*
09-13-2005, 07:24 PM
Also, his serve is mediocre. I saw him against Fed in MC, and Live in Hamburg.


:eek: You should have seen him on grass then...

propi
09-13-2005, 08:16 PM
3). Nadal
Nadal is Roger's NEW Nalbandian, i don't see this kid as much trouble ... honestly. Roger played terrible tennis and nearly had him in a 5th set, until being forced to play in the dark ... which was unfair to him ... all excuses aside ... Nadal won "fair and square" , but the gap between Nadal & Fedex is small ... if there is one ... it's to Federer's advantage ... I don't see why many believe Nadal to be so much trouble for Roger ... they've played 1 time when he had heat stroke, another time on an extremely slow surface in Miami and in Paris, where Federer nearly took it to a 5th set even with 60 UFE ... if he cleans up his play and improvises his strategy on clay a tad bit ... possibly improve net play also ... why could he not dominate Nadal ? I just don't see it, I'm sorry. I know everyone wants to create a rival for Roger, but Nadal isn't the one ... he's a young Carlos Moya ... I'd still go with Roger ... ON ANY SURFACE against Nadal.

All of his Top Spin is a tad difficult for Roger to adjust to, but we know our Swiss friend loves a challenge and it's only a short period of time before he begins to dominate their "rivalry"


Realistically speaking, Monfils has the best physical attributes, Gasquet most raw talent, Nadal probably the most mentally strong. It will be interesting to see, but I look forward to Federer V Gasquet in the future for sure ... if you want to take down the King you need to be young & vibrant ... not old and approaching retirement ... no disrespect intended towards Andre. :)
Of course, Rog will improve and Nadal will stay at the same level for the rest of his life, after all he's lucky to beat Fed, lucky to win almost everything on clay this year, lucky to win RG the same year the made the debut, lucky to win Davis cup last year, even lucky to win a TMS on hard what 99% fastcourters/ hardcourts especialists won't win in his whole career...
F*ck*ng overhyped lucky b*st*rd :mad: :mad: :mad:

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 08:47 PM
Nice weed you smoke, myskinalova

landoud
09-13-2005, 08:48 PM
nadal is already threat but inly on clay... gasquet on hard

tinuviel_estel
09-13-2005, 08:48 PM
Rafa

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 09:13 PM
I´m still waiting for an accurate description of any of the players mentioned by the poster who started this thread. I mean, have you ever seen these players playing? I bet no, pay up.

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 09:19 PM
Let´s keep the quality of this thread up:

1- Gasquet: typical grinder who can run for 5 hours until his rival exhaustes. Pity he has no weapons at all

2- Monfils: serve&volley sensation. The new McEnroe.

3- Nadal: a culturist with a racket on his left hand. Typical ballbasher, needs to find a new brain in order to achieve sth.

4- Berdych: Also well-known as Ollie Rochus´ alter ego. He should improve his serve and add much more pace to his shots if he ever wants to crack top100.

Discuss

prima donna
09-13-2005, 09:38 PM
I´m still waiting for an accurate description of any of the players mentioned by the poster who started this thread. I mean, have you ever seen these players playing? I bet no, pay up.
Oh god, is this the way you choose to behave when your favorite is demeaned ? I respect Nadal's accomplishments, but as a fan of Federer's since 2001 am not intimidated at all. He's a small cookie. Seriously, Gasquet has a big game and is majorly intimidating. I think a lot of people misinterpeted what was being said, when I mentioned that Tim Henman and Murray were similiar. I meant their lack of physicality, athletic abilities and so on. Relax, papi chulo! :D

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 09:41 PM
Oh god, is this the way you choose to behave when your favorite is demeaned ? I respect Nadal's accomplishments, but as a fan of Federer's since 2001 am not intimidated at all. He's a small cookie. Seriously, Gasquet has a big game and is majorly intimidating. I think a lot of people misinterpeted what was being said, when I mentioned that Tim Henman and Murray were similiar. I meant their lack of physicality, athletic abilities and so on. Relax, papi chulo! :D

Nah, you´re on your right of considering Nadal as low as u wish, but, I mean, hehe, Murray description is ridiculous, you haven´t seen Berdych playing if you say he moves bad and, Gasquet´s fh is far from being such a dangerous weapon, it´s too inconsistent by now. I think you haven´t seen much of Djokovic and also Monfils´ description is far from being a good one. My fake descriptions are as accurate as yours, trust me ;). Any more brilliant theories?

prima donna
09-13-2005, 09:50 PM
Nah, you´re on your right of considering Nadal as low as u wish, but, I mean, hehe, Murray description is ridiculous, you haven´t seen Berdych playing if you say he moves bad and, Gasquet´s fh is far from being such a dangerous weapon, it´s too inconsistent by now. I think you haven´t seen much of Djokovic and also Monfils´ description is far from being a good one. My fake descriptions are as accurate as yours, trust me ;). Any more brilliant theories?
To be truthful, I think you're nitpicking because of the Nadal comments, but very well.

Monfils stands 10 feet behind the baseline, that's exactly how he blew it to Djokovic, whom took advantage and came inside the baseline ... was able to carve up angle after angle. I haven't seen much of the young man (Djokovic), but after what Marat did to him ... the way he did it to him ... hmm ... not concerned. Berdych's movement could use major improvement, especially when you consider his age! Then again, maybe, when playing Agassi anyone gets flat-footed and starts moving terribly. Just wondering, what to do against Federer if your movement and conditioning is that spotty. I think he has a chance, good shot maker and returns with major pace, but spotty game, one minute he's making UFE after UFE. The next he's right back in your face. That's a description from a commentator, are you going to criticize that one as well ?

If you're looking for a fight, because maybe you don't feel you're getting the respect deserved ... talk to James Blake or Berdych, maybe THINGS would be different. The fact remains, I was dead on with Gasquet. He is a young stud and the rest remains the truth. Once Monfils decides to stop camping out behind the baseline and be more aggressive, use his excellent physique he will surpass moonballers / clay courters easily to challenge Roger.

Merton
09-13-2005, 10:00 PM
To be truthful, I think you're nitpicking because of the Nadal comments, but very well.

Monfils stands 10 feet behind the baseline, that's exactly how he blew it to Djokovic, whom took advantage and came inside the baseline ... was able to carve up angle after angle. I haven't seen much of the young man (Djokovic), but after what Marat did to him ... the way he did it to him ... hmm ... not concerned. Berdych's movement could use major improvement, especially when you consider his age! Then again, maybe, when playing Agassi anyone gets flat-footed and starts moving terribly. Just wondering, what to do against Federer if your movement and conditioning is that spotty. I think he has a chance, good shot maker and returns with major pace, but spotty game, one minute he's making UFE after UFE. The next he's right back in your face. That's a description from a commentator, are you going to criticize that one as well ?

If you're looking for a fight, because maybe you don't feel you're getting the respect deserved ... talk to James Blake or Berdych, maybe THINGS would be different. The fact remains, I was dead on with Gasquet. He is a young stud and the rest remains the truth. Once Monfils decides to stop camping out behind the baseline and be more aggressive, use his excellent physique he will surpass moonballers / clay courters easily to challenge Roger.

So, your argument is that:

-Monfils plays way behind the baseline because that is how he played against Djokovic.
-Djokovic does not stand a chance in the future against Roger because he was blown of the course by Marat. I created a thread on GM, inspired by your thread, among others, where based on this line of reasoning i prove that the true challenger of Roger is Konstantnos Economidis.
-Berdych does not move well. Are you aware that Berdych has already won against Roger in an event called the 2004 Olympics that was ranked #2 on Roger's goals for 2004?

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 10:05 PM
Monfils stands 10 feet behind the baseline,

Wrong, he´s the new McEnroe.

that's exactly how he blew it to Djokovic, whom took advantage and came inside the baseline ... was able to carve up angle after angle. I haven't seen much of the young man (Djokovic), but after what Marat did to him ... the way he did it to him ... hmm ... not concerned.

Nice theory. A Swiss youngster was thrashed by Bruguera 5 years ago 6-1 6-1. Many idiots said he wouldn´t ever be a top player. I think you will be able to solve the equation ;)

Berdych's movement could use major improvement, especially when you consider his age! Then again, maybe, when playing Agassi anyone gets flat-footed and starts moving terribly. Just wondering, what to do against Federer if your movement and conditioning is that spotty. I think he has a chance, good shot maker and returns with major pace, but spotty game, one minute he's making UFE after UFE. The next he's right back in your face. That's a description from a commentator, are you going to criticize that one as well ?

Most commentators don´t have a clue, so that´s a invalid point. Berdych´s movement is pretty good considering his height and he will be much better than he already is. He should improve his weak serve and fh though.

If you're looking for a fight, because maybe you don't feel you're getting the respect deserved ... talk to James Blake or Berdych, maybe THINGS would be different. The fact remains, I was dead on with Gasquet. He is a young stud and the rest remains the truth. Once Monfils decides to stop camping out behind the baseline and be more aggressive, use his excellent physique he will surpass moonballers / clay courters easily to challenge Roger.

I admire Gasquet´s grinding abilities and endurance, but he has a clear lack of weapons in his arsenal.

Merton
09-13-2005, 10:11 PM
Let´s keep the quality of this thread up:

1- Gasquet: typical grinder who can run for 5 hours until his rival exhaustes. Pity he has no weapons at all

2- Monfils: serve&volley sensation. The new McEnroe.

3- Nadal: a culturist with a racket on his left hand. Typical ballbasher, needs to find a new brain in order to achieve sth.

4- Berdych: Also well-known as Ollie Rochus´ alter ego. He should improve his serve and add much more pace to his shots if he ever wants to crack top100.

Discuss

I disagree. Gasquet has the forehand of Federer, Monfils plays way behind the baseline like Puerta, Nadal plays like Ferrer, and Berdych plays like Kenneth Carlsen.

delsa
09-13-2005, 10:11 PM
I really like him but...what is Gaël doing here?...He hasn't even played against Fed yet...:rolleyes: Leave him alone and let him progress quietly! Back off! ;)
Then ppl will say he's overhyped which is true but come on...Nobody of those who really follow him closely and care for him would put him in the "who could challenge Federer?" list today...Maybe later if he becomes more technical and use his brain more too etc...
He can't pretend to be in that list yet...:retard:
Where is Djokovic?! He should be there. :shrug:
And we could also extend that list with some other names of young promising players even if they didn't have the opportunity to face Fedex yet (but you put Monfils so i guess there is no problem with that...).

delsa
09-13-2005, 10:18 PM
I admire Gasquet´s grinding abilities and endurance, but he has a clear lack of weapons in his arsenal.

Do you follow him closely or just like some "commentators" do sleeping during half of the season just knowing he beat Federer, is supposed to have a great BH and that's all or...Please develop...

1 big overstatement/ undeserved compliment:
What endurance? He has no endurance yet even if he's tackling the problem and has lost the mental block that made him have even less endurance than he had...:retard:

1 very wrong affirmation:
clear lack of weapons in his arsenal? :retard:

You must be kidding or i'm that stupid or bad in English and i don't get what you mean...

prima donna
09-13-2005, 10:19 PM
So, your argument is that:

-Monfils plays way behind the baseline because that is how he played against Djokovic.
-Djokovic does not stand a chance in the future against Roger because he was blown of the course by Marat. I created a thread on GM, inspired by your thread, among others, where based on this line of reasoning i prove that the true challenger of Roger is Konstantnos Economidis.
-Berdych does not move well. Are you aware that Berdych has already won against Roger in an event called the 2004 Olympics that was ranked #2 on Roger's goals for 2004?
I'm rating these players at their best and at their worst.

There are just as many positives and negatives for each argument.

Monfils was forced to retreat behind the baseline even more so than normal by Djokovic's play, imagine what Federer

would do if he was reduced to this much desperation. Young or not, nerves or not. Really, he has not showed much

promise against the Top Players, but in fairness hasn't had to play many as of yet. I will give Gael a break, but

Roger is excellent at spotting the smallest flaw in your game.

I did NOT say he was constantly in a dirtball format, but often times retreats to the baseline (10 feet behind it),

reacts defensively and even tries to SLIDE on a hard court.

Murray and Henman are similar in the sense that they are both frail, but even Henman could keep his lunch down.

Pathetic, this Murray guy's body is going to give him some serious problems. He'll probably spend most of his career

injured.

Each game is approached differently, with a different strategy. I'm aware of that, each opponent. Thing is, like a

magic act, Federer can clone himself into just about any player in the world. If you hate net play, bam, Federer is

capable of transforming into Edberg. Any SMALL thing that troubles you, Federer can do. So, it's only fair that if

Andre Agassi left Berdych flat-footed regardless of his 2004 triumph to assume that the next time he plays Federer,

he's going to be MORE than just flat-footed. Right ? Right.

It's as if some people are thinking slow almost, I expected quicker thinking and more common sense.

Berdych is also very big and I'm sure improving his movement would be on a list on his coaches plans, very tall and he runs every bit of it. Sort of like a Sharapova situation going on. Growing into his body.

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 10:21 PM
Do you follow him closely or just like some "commentators" do sleeping during half of the season just knowing he beat Federer, is supposed to have a great BH and that's all or...Please develop...

1 big overstatement/ undeserved compliment:
What endurance? He has no endurance yet even if he's tackling the probleme and has lost the mental block that made him have even less endurance than he had...:retard:

1 very wrong affirmation:
clear lack of weapons in his arsenal? :retard:

You must be kidding or i'm that stupid or bad in English and i don't get what you mean...

:lol:

Read the context above, delsa, and my fake descriptions of the 4 players mentioned :)

prima donna
09-13-2005, 10:26 PM
Wrong, he´s the new McEnroe.



Nice theory. A Swiss youngster was thrashed by Bruguera 5 years ago 6-1 6-1. Many idiots said he wouldn´t ever be a top player. I think you will be able to solve the equation ;)




Yeah and I'm sure, Djokovic is the next Roger Federer. Face it, most youth is 90% hype and never live up to what their so-called "potential"

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this little game that you're playing is ? You can't seem to understand that half of what's been posted about these players is how they react under pressure situations.

Agassi starting moving Berdych around, Berdych was tripping over his feet and nearly cracked his skull. Okay, imagine Federer starts to "move" him around, yeah, that'll go REALLY well ... especially when Roger's at his best.

Berdych was exposed.

Monfils was exposed by Djokovic and the only thing that can save both players is youth, hopefully they'll improve and grow out of these poor habits. It's almost like you don't even seem to understand the confusion between Murray & Henman, it was more so physical abilities and not with regards to their games.

Now, I apologize if I offended you with my remarks regarding Nadal. I'm sorry that I don't see anything but a guy that will earn a living playing Clay Tournaments. I'm really sorry if I think he'll pull a Muster and pretend Wimbledon doesn't exist. I apologize. Whoever said Nadal supporters would try to give it to me was right, these people are seriously getting wound up over nothing. This is like I was attacked for a prediction that the kid would be bounced in the 1st week in NYC, got laughed off the board and even banned for creating the thread. I guess 50 people reported me. Oh well.

vincayou
09-13-2005, 10:29 PM
Everybody has a different opinion, it's really hard to predict the future for the youngsters. Especially as we don't know how they will develop and improve, technically, tactically, physically. Some might become lazy when the money will come in, etc.. At 17, when Agassi watched Sampras, he felt sorry for him, because he thought he wouldn't stand a chance to win anything in his career...

All I know is that Nadal is already there, he's the first ready to challenge Federer and has beaten him twice in 2 years, and he must be the only one. Gasquet is second only, and has improved A LOT in the last 6 months (and not only in the ranking). Berdych has had a rather calm year after his breakthrough, but he has won both Federer and Nadal in the last 12 months, consistency is the key for him. Monfils has exceptional athletism and is mentally strong, he has had a very impressive first year, even if he loses in 1st round here and there. Murray has been very good as well for his first year, he's just outside top 100 but seems suited for the big events and the drama. Djokovic is the youngest of them all, he didn't put big wins until the US Open (I think about Ancic), he seems to have his head on his shoulders and the talent which goes with it, a very good recipe.

Gasquet, Nadal, Berdych and Djokovic are, from what I have seen the guys who would be the worse match up for Federer. Federer would find out how to play Nadal sooner or later if Nadal wasn't improving as well. Nadal is unlucky though to have to face Federer, because he could have been a very worthy number 1 already.

Bibir
09-13-2005, 10:31 PM
:lol:

Read the context above, delsa, and my fake descriptions of the 4 players mentioned :)
smileys...your posts need more smileys. ;) :lol:

vincayou
09-13-2005, 10:35 PM
I really like him but...what is Gaël doing here?...He hasn't even played against Fed yet...:rolleyes: Leave him alone and let him progress quietly! Back off! ;)
Then ppl will say he's overhyped which is true but come on...Nobody of those who really follow him closely and care for him would put him in the "who could challenge Federer?" list today...Maybe later if he becomes more technical and use his brain more too etc...
He can't pretend to be in that list yet...:retard:
Where is Djokovic?! He should be there. :shrug:
And we could also extend that list with some other names of young promising players even if they didn't have the opportunity to face Fedex yet (but you put Monfils so i guess there is no problem with that...).

Monfils is a promising teenager, as much as Djokovic. I don't see any reason why one should be there and the other not.
Both of them might be challenging Federer, and I certainly hope that they will.

delsa
09-13-2005, 10:37 PM
:lol:

Read the context above, delsa, and my fake descriptions of the 4 players mentioned :)
OOOOPPPPSSSS! :o I thought this was a serious thread and i just read some parts of the last posts...:lol:
And i shouldn't have underestimated you that much... ;)
Now that i've read it i get it...

Rafa is the biggest threat to Federer on every surface except grass among these youngsters right now (and yet Fed is "unbeatable" on grass so the others don't stand much chance but still more than him...).

Gasquet's FH needs improvement and is not such a great shot. His serve which is far from being perfect is not mediocre though...Again someone who slept during the grass season?

Merton
09-13-2005, 10:40 PM
Everybody has a different opinion, it's really hard to predict the future for the youngsters. Especially as we don't know how they will develop and improve, technically, tactically, physically. Some might become lazy when the money will come in, etc.. At 17, when Agassi watched Sampras, he felt sorry for him, because he thought he wouldn't stand a chance to win anything in his career...

All I know is that Nadal is already there, he's the first ready to challenge Federer and has beaten him twice in 2 years, and he must be the only one. Gasquet is second only, and has improved A LOT in the last 6 months (and not only in the ranking). Berdych has had a rather calm year after his breakthrough, but he has won both Federer and Nadal in the last 12 months, consistency is the key for him. Monfils has exceptional athletism and is mentally strong, he has had a very impressive first year, even if he loses in 1st round here and there. Murray has been very good as well for his first year, he's just outside top 100 but seems suited for the big events and the drama. Djokovic is the youngest of them all, he didn't put big wins until the US Open (I think about Ancic), he seems to have his head on his shoulders and the talent which goes with it, a very good recipe.

Gasquet, Nadal, Berdych and Djokovic are, from what I have seen the guys who would be the worse match up for Federer. Federer would find out how to play Nadal sooner or later if Nadal wasn't improving as well. Nadal is unlucky though to have to face Federer, because he could have been a very worthy number 1 already.

I agree, apart from your very last sentence. The youngsters are lucky to face Federer, he provides such a high benchmark and they don't need a better incentive to improve their games. Nadal could indeed enter as #1, but long term he will become a better player if he responds to the Federer challenge. The same goes for the other players and i don't think that it is possible to predict who will be more successful because they develop differently. The fact that nadal is better now does not imply that he will be the better player in the long run.

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 10:43 PM
OOOOPPPPSSSS! :o I thought this was a serious thread and i just read some parts of the last posts...:lol:
And i shouldn't have underestimated you that much... ;)
Now that i've read it i get it...

Rafa is the biggest threat to Federer on every surface except grass among these youngsters right now (and yet Fed is "unbeatable" on grass so the others don't stand much chance but still more than him...).

Gasquet's FH needs improvement and is not such a great shot. His serve which is far from being perfect is not mediocre though...Again someone who slept during the grass season?

:lol:

You´d need to smoke the same weed as the starter of this thread to find its serious side

Castafiore
09-13-2005, 10:44 PM
And people wonder why somebody like Chloe has so much fun bumping up old threads.

This one is a great one to mark for a future bump-up occassion.
People speculating the hell out of this but we don't have enough information to predict how these youngsters will develop so...in MY opinion, a lot of this speculation about player A will develop like this, player B will do that is nothing more than wishful thinking at this point.
Time to dust off the old cliché: time will tell.

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 10:45 PM
I agree, apart from your very last sentence. The youngsters are lucky to face Federer, he provides such a high benchmark and they don't need a better incentive to improve their games. Nadal could indeed enter as #1, but long term he will become a better player if he responds to the Federer challenge. The same goes for the other players and i don't think that it is possible to predict who will be more successful because they develop differently. The fact that nadal is better now does not imply that he will be the better player in the long run.

Stop making sense, this thread doesn´t deserve it

vincayou
09-13-2005, 10:46 PM
OOOOPPPPSSSS! :o I thought this was a serious thread and i just read some parts of the last posts...:lol:
And i shouldn't have underestimated you that much... ;)
Now that i've read it i get it...

Rafa is the biggest threat to Federer on every surface except grass among these youngsters right now (and yet Fed is "unbeatable" on grass so the others don't stand much chance but still more than him...).

Gasquet's FH needs improvement and is not such a great shot. His serve which is far from being perfect is not mediocre though...Again someone who slept during the grass season?

His FH is blowing hot and cold, he can produce amazing winners from it, or pile up ue after ue. His cross court backhand is his best weapon, he can easily from defense to offense with it. Right hand players with a not so reliable backhand will find it hard to cope with it.

I think that Gasquet and Nadal are a match up which should produce amazing matchs.

delsa
09-13-2005, 10:49 PM
:lol:

You´d need to smoke the same weed as the starter of this thread to find its serious side
No weed for me...Maybe some :drink: sometimes but not today anyway... Just rushing to post not looking closely at the sight of the title and some sentences here and there, tiredness and stupidity...:lol: :o
But now i realize i really should have known this was not serious... ;)
:smash:

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 10:51 PM
No weed for me...Maybe some :drink: sometimes but not today anyway... Just rushing to post not looking closely at the sight of the title and some sentences here and there, tiredness and stupidity...:lol: :o
But now i realize i really should have known this was not serious... ;)
:smash:

:hug:

vincayou
09-13-2005, 10:53 PM
And people wonder why somebody like Chloe has so much fun bumping up old threads.

This one is a great one to mark for a future bump-up occassion.
People speculating the hell out of this but we don't have enough information to predict how these youngsters will develop so...in MY opinion, a lot of this speculation about player A will develop like this, player B will do that is nothing more than wishful thinking at this point.
Time to dust off the old cliché: time will tell.

Maybe but it's much more interesting IMO than to analyse the last Roddick - Federer match.

niko
09-14-2005, 02:28 AM
It's kind of hard to understand what do you mean by challenge Roger.

Herceg Novi
09-14-2005, 07:11 AM
Djokovic beat Federer in a training match a few weeks ago
enough said

Shabazza
09-14-2005, 11:14 AM
Djokovic beat Federer in a training match a few weeks ago
enough said
Federer hasn't played for 6 weeks, enough said :rolleyes:

@this thread: - the nonserious version of GWH's ;)

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 11:20 AM
@this thread: - the nonserious version of GWH's ;)

Either that or someone who doesn't have a clue to use the functioning search button. :)

Xmanfan
09-14-2005, 11:39 AM
Gasquet if he can get over the fitness probs. He has the most wonderful backhand (it's better than Federer's) and all round game. I saw him at Wimbledon and I've not been that excited over someone's play since Federer first popped up on the scene. Yes Berdych beat Rog at Olympics - but hey - the weather was diabolical. Yes Rafa beat Rog a couple of times (but look how many times Bandy did that then Rog got his number). I think Gasquet when he's grown in body and mind will be a definite contender.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
09-14-2005, 11:39 AM
My Tim Henman comparison was in relation to their frail bodies and not their games. They are not physically gifted, at all. Very non-athletic and slow.

Andy Murray is slow?:haha:
Did you see his amazing FH passings full speed? He says it's normal that he has a bit problems with cramps, but it has nothing to do with his physically conditions.... He still grows, so it's normal, he says that he has no problem with the fitness, just with cramps.

Merton
09-14-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes Berdych beat Rog at Olympics - but hey - the weather was diabolical.

This is a revelation: It is windy and hot in Athens in August. Moreover, it was windy only on Roger's side of the court, Tomas was not affected at all. By the way, just for future reference, are you sure that Berdych will never defeat Federer in the future?

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-14-2005, 07:45 PM
I agree with MyskinaLova. Nadal sucks. Winning nine titles, RG and 3 masters series is pathetic. He should quit the ATP. When he beat Fed nature was against Fed and Fed was sick and ... and .... and whenever FED loses its sabotage. Uh.. Uh.. thats y Fed to lost to Rafa.

I can't wait till Fed plays Rafa again so he can triple bagel him. Fed all the way u can't hurt GOD.

Did I do good job of capturing your thinking style MyskinaLova.

alfonsojose
09-14-2005, 07:58 PM
Torrey Gambill :yeah:

lucyfur
02-13-2012, 09:20 AM
I chose Gasquet.:p

Nole Rules
02-13-2012, 09:33 AM
Let´s keep the quality of this thread up:

1- Gasquet: typical grinder who can run for 5 hours until his rival exhaustes. Pity he has no weapons at all

2- Monfils: serve&volley sensation. The new McEnroe.

3- Nadal: a culturist with a racket on his left hand. Typical ballbasher, needs to find a new brain in order to achieve sth.

4- Berdych: Also well-known as Ollie Rochus´ alter ego. He should improve his serve and add much more pace to his shots if he ever wants to crack top100.

Discuss

:haha:

ballbasher101
02-13-2012, 09:35 AM
Gasquet won the poll :rolls:. 7 years, wow just wow. Time flies.

Sri
02-13-2012, 09:43 AM
You forgot to account for the slowing down of all surfaces to suit Rafa. ;-)

ossie
02-13-2012, 09:49 AM
1). Gasquet
- Beautiful one-handed backhand, just so carefree and loose. Made some shots that I've only seen Roger make (in a losing effort to Ginperi), this guy offers the entire package.
His forehand is high quality.
Backhand is superb.
He has power, precision and is fearless as a lion. His only potential weakness could be, a lack of variety and his serve could use some improvement ... which will come along as his body matures ... he is still quite young and not done growing in height & his shoulders will get a tad wider as well. Most of all, Gasquet is a FAST court player. If he actually had a good serve, we could be looking at a rival for Federer ... ON GRASS & HARD COURTS!
http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/HNNNG+_945e0f874246aff1028172c197f2f3db.jpg

lucyfur
02-13-2012, 09:51 AM
You forgot to account for the slowing down of all surfaces to suit Rafa. ;-)

You forgot Fed won when Rafa wasn't there on those same slow courts.:rolleyes:

Alex999
02-13-2012, 10:50 AM
lol, this is too funny. good old MTF. I love this thread.

xdrewitdajx
02-13-2012, 06:22 PM
it's interesting that at least all of the players mentioned managed to stay quite relevant, around top 10, etc. With some obviously standing out ahead of the pack

interesting thread, for sure. fun to read old posts/predictions like this.

Gagsquet
02-13-2012, 06:27 PM
I hate this thread. Erase it modz.

Deivid23
02-13-2012, 09:26 PM
What a legend the guy who used to give that weed to my beloved myskinalova :worship:

Deivid23
02-13-2012, 09:27 PM
Nice weed you smoke, myskinalova

haha hadn´t read this post, good to see I still think the same 7 years later

Jimnik
02-14-2012, 04:39 AM
I voted but never posted. Shame it wasn't public.

Jimnik
02-14-2012, 04:41 AM
Ah memories. I love these ancient threads. No-one gave Djokovic a thought after Safin white-washed him at AO.

Very stupid decision to ban the OP.

guga2120
02-14-2012, 06:03 AM
That original post is great from former clown of mtf. So many fedtards thought that back then. Trying someway to figure out why superhuman federer, who was mowing down old men and roddick was losing to some teenage clay courter, which at that time is all he was.

He will "figure him out."

GSMnadal
02-14-2012, 07:26 AM
3). Nadal
Nadal is Roger's NEW Nalbandian, i don't see this kid as much trouble ... honestly. Roger played terrible tennis and nearly had him in a 5th set, until being forced to play in the dark ... which was unfair to him ... all excuses aside ... Nadal won "fair and square" , but the gap between Nadal & Fedex is small ... if there is one ... it's to Federer's advantage ... I don't see why many believe Nadal to be so much trouble for Roger ... they've played 1 time when he had heat stroke, another time on an extremely slow surface in Miami and in Paris, where Federer nearly took it to a 5th set even with 60 UFE ... if he cleans up his play and improvises his strategy on clay a tad bit ... possibly improve net play also ... why could he not dominate Nadal ? I just don't see it, I'm sorry. I know everyone wants to create a rival for Roger, but Nadal isn't the one ... he's a young Carlos Moya ... I'd still go with Roger ... ON ANY SURFACE against Nadal.

All of his Top Spin is a tad difficult for Roger to adjust to, but we know our Swiss friend loves a challenge and it's only a short period of time before he begins to dominate their "rivalry"

:haha:

At just about everything here

Naudio Spanlatine
02-14-2012, 07:31 AM
I hate this thread. Erase it modz.

:hug:

Hewitt =Legend
02-14-2012, 09:17 AM
The most hilarious thing in this thread is the banned OP stating that Gasquet has a high quality forehand.

Ajde.

Alex999
02-14-2012, 10:23 AM
:haha:

At just about everything here
prima donna is one of the stupidest posters in MTF history. God bless mods for banning her... one of the most hateful person ever. I mean Glen was pretty bad but he was funny...this woman has some serious issues

ossie
02-14-2012, 10:30 AM
The most hilarious thing in this thread is the banned OP stating that Gasquet has a high quality forehand.

Ajde.not half as hilarious as calling gascoke fearless as a lion :haha: