New Haven Wednesday [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

New Haven Wednesday

its.like.that
08-24-2005, 04:05 AM
Ok, Powerpoint hitting out at 1-14. VAMOS!

Gimelstob over Gonzalez @ 4.50
Volandri over Blake @ 3.90
Monfils over Koubek @ 1.50

Shaughnessy over Groenefeld @ 2.40

its.like.that
08-24-2005, 04:15 AM
I'll throw in C.Rochus over Haas @ 3.40

Bolar Bolabi
08-24-2005, 04:33 AM
I'll throw in C.Rochus over Haas @ 3.40

LOL

happy928
08-24-2005, 04:35 AM
Ok, Powerpoint hitting out at 1-14. VAMOS!

Gimelstob over Gonzalez @ 4.50
Volandri over Blake @ 3.90
Andreev over Rochus @ 2.50

Shaughnessy over Groenefeld @ 2.40
;)

sports freak
08-24-2005, 06:16 AM
Best bet is on Seppi over Spadea!!!!Saw what i like last night of Andreas and OUT OF FORM,UP N DOWN Vince is gonna have a hard time!!!!

10 units on Andreas Seppi 1.95 over Vince Spadea!!!!!
6 units on Ferrer 1.53 over Zib!!!!
1 unit on Philip Kohl 2.70 over Melzer!!!
1 unit on Ram 3.50 over Massu!!!

dbnumberone
08-24-2005, 06:16 AM
i see the powerpoint didn't spit out anything on monfils/koubek - is that a trap bet or what? i'm sure monfils will prove too tempting for me, no bet yet though

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 06:48 AM
i see the powerpoint didn't spit out anything on monfils/koubek - is that a trap bet or what? i'm sure monfils will prove too tempting for me, no bet yet though
From the early looks of things, this figures to not be the case. I've found that sportsbooks have been well overpricing Monfils. This is because of the general betting public's unjustified sudden serge in confidence in the Frenchman. Truth is, he didn't play well in the Masters. Against Karol Beck he just totally fell apart at 5-2 up in the second set, and against Youzhny, he disintegrated. He wasn't even that good against Stepanek; Stepanek just didn't seem to want to play.

A Koubek playing well has as good a chance as any of crushing Monfils today. He's really probably Wednesday's best underdog bet.

But we shall see. I'm sure the prices on Monfils will discourage anybody here from bothering.

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 07:00 AM
Best bet is on Seppi over Spadea!!!!Saw what i like last night of Andreas and OUT OF FORM,UP N DOWN Vince is gonna have a hard time!!!!

10 units on Andreas Seppi 1.95 over Vince Spadea!!!!!
6 units on Ferrer 1.53 over Zib!!!!
1 unit on Philip Kohl 2.70 over Melzer!!!
1 unit on Ram 3.50 over Massu!!!
For all that you figure to win on the other three bets, that is if they DO all win, then you would've lost more than that gain if Spadea defeats Seppi. Are you serious?

Anyway, about Seppi's performance...did you really watch him against Tursunov? Because Seppi really didn't play that well at all. His was among the most mediocre displays of the entire first round.

It is true that Spadea's played poorly in the last three tournaments, but hey, it was only a month and a half ago that he was playing Rusedski in the final at Newport. Also, Seppi's got a total lack of recent hard court experience. Hasn't played in a hard court tournament since March. Though Spadea's no "safe" bet (if such a thing exists), my view is that Seppi does NOT look good here.

Were you among those who backed Spadea against Gilles Simon, by any chance? ;)

g35-great
08-24-2005, 07:03 AM
Ok, Powerpoint hitting out at 1-14. VAMOS!

Gimelstob over Gonzalez @ 4.50
Volandri over Blake @ 3.90
Andreev over Rochus @ 2.50

Shaughnessy over Groenefeld @ 2.40

lol

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 07:51 AM
Regarding the disparaging comment made about Spadea's hard court form...

Have you wondered why you haven't been able to find the same form in Seppi's record?

It's because he hasn't even been getting through the qualifiers! Like last week, when he was stopped by South African tennis giant Wes Moodie in the very first qualifying round of the Cincy masters.

its.like.that
08-24-2005, 08:49 AM
Regarding the disparaging comment made about Spadea's hard court form...

Have you wondered why you haven't been able to find the same form in Seppi's record?

It's because he hasn't even been getting through the qualifiers! Like last week, when he was stopped by South African tennis giant Wes Moodie in the very first qualifying round of the Cincy masters.

havent you heard?

vinny has thrown in the racquet for the mike ;).

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=50043

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:00 AM
havent you heard?

vinny has thrown in the racquet for the mike ;).

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=50043
Oh... dear... :sad:


Yo Mr Lucky Jim, do you know of any sites providing information on Andy Ram's 2005 tournament record? atptennis.com seems to have nothing at all! Or is it that Mr Ram hasn't played in a singles tournament all year?

(Incidentally, they also don't mention what his place in the rankings is. Maybe he doesn't have one or something? :-/)

JMG
08-24-2005, 09:02 AM
Gremelmayr over Greul @2.70 :eek:

dbnumberone
08-24-2005, 09:12 AM
heaven help me, apologies to sportsfreak, but I'm thinking of a big bet on Spadea, not sure yet

coup3z
08-24-2005, 09:12 AM
http://tennis.matchstat.com/

you`ll find here info on Ram !

coup3z
08-24-2005, 09:13 AM
monfils X massu @ 1,96 seems good !

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:27 AM
heaven help me, apologies to sportsfreak, but I'm thinking of a big bet on Spadea, not sure yet
I think you may be onto something there, pal. Though, the "big" part scares me. After all, this IS Vincent.



There's only one bet today that interests me, and that's a bet on Ram to beat the crap out of Nicolas Massu. After Ram's performance against Mello yesterday (however badly Mello may have played), I think Ram's worth backing...even if he DID only manage to convert under 30% of his break points. As for Massu, then sure, he's a really good clay court player, but he's horrid on hard court, at least as far as recent history is concerned. And there's a fair chance that he's more concerned with the US Open coming up.

Now, to disagree with coup3z again, the only other match I think is worth betting on is Koubek to beat Monfils! Monfils, no longer on the momentum rush given to him by his win in Sopot...having been brought back down to earth in the Cincinnati masters...I think he'll be pretty much back to his usual, mediocre performances. He really lost it against Karol Beck and Youzhny, and the way he went down to the latter, may just have given his confidence (or lack thereof) a turn for the worse. The dude's a very up and down player. He'll play well for 5 minutes, then make a ton of errors. It was only because Karol Beck choked on 5 set points that he managed to get as far as he did in the Masters. Until he shows he can win against more formiddable opposition over a sustained period, I wouldn't back him against Koubek on ANY surface.

I'd also suggest that nobody bets on Mathieu to beat Santoro. While Mathieu is good, Santoro played very well in the last round and... hang on a minute, it was only Kenneth Carlsen! Go Paul-Henri!

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:30 AM
I'll ask an opinion:

Ram, Koubek and Santoro all look "good" to me, though I'm undecided upon which is best (though I think Santoro is the worst option hands down).

What do you veterans think?

dbnumberone
08-24-2005, 09:35 AM
ok, here goes - at the very least, I'm brave enough to post 'em :)
8.75 units on vinny - that's a good sized bet, but I reined it in on big (for me)
5 units on Ferrer x Haas x Monfils x Kohlschriebber (favs plus Melzer hasn't done much lately)
1 day after posting my Spadea/Zib never play promise, here I am
gl all

skel1983
08-24-2005, 09:48 AM
My opinion on these events dont back anything to unpredictable especially week before major.

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:49 AM
ok, here goes - at the very least, I'm brave enough to post 'em :)
8.75 units on vinny - that's a good sized bet, but I reined it in on big (for me)
5 units on Ferrer x Haas x Monfils x Kohlschriebber (favs plus Melzer hasn't done much lately)
1 day after posting my Spadea/Zib never play promise, here I am
gl all
What's your reasoning behind Monfils? Just like to know.

coup3z
08-24-2005, 10:08 AM
What's your reasoning behind Monfils? Just like to know.


You`re obssesed with Koubek! He is a very weak!! who did he beat CH ussual Bobby Reynolds , and in qualies played 4 tie-breaks(2 with Sargsian and 2 with Minar) it`s true he won them but look at the players he struggled with! Monfils has a good serve and will win this ! I`m sure of it! (plus, Koubek is more of a clay courter, played few matches on hard this season) !

Filipo
08-24-2005, 10:08 AM
Spadea is not a good choice. Seppi is playing good and won against Tursunov in the last round.

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 10:21 AM
You`re obssesed with Koubek! He is a very weak!! who did he beat CH ussual Bobby Reynolds , and in qualies played 4 tie-breaks(2 with Sargsian and 2 with Minar) it`s true he won them but look at the players he struggled with! Monfils has a good serve and will win this ! I`m sure of it! (plus, Koubek is more of a clay courter, played few matches on hard this season) !
Well, good luck with that one. While Koubek may be weak, I'm warning you that so is Monfils. Unless of course you also saw him playing in the Masters, and have your own informed opinion of his hard court game. But still, I hope you win. I'm shying away from a bet on Koubek. Though, Ram looks good against Massu.

bad gambler
08-24-2005, 10:29 AM
Monfils looked exhausted in Cincy - at those low odds I wouldn't be laying the $ on the frenchman

Nimrodg
08-24-2005, 10:31 AM
If someone got US OPEN Qualies - Sela Over Murray @ 3.60!!! it's a 50-50 match, they both are the best players in shape in the qualies right now, both won two challengers and they both know that the U.S. Open is their opprutonity to break threw.

Girgis
08-24-2005, 11:14 AM
What do you guys think of the blake - volandri match.

I think blake should win this one.

Volandri is quite a good player but his hard court form has been pretty bad, and the match is in the USA which should help Blake.

Any opinions

Yoel and co.
08-24-2005, 11:18 AM
Regarding Andy Ram - you won't find a lot of his singles games,as he focuses on doubles mostly (with Erlich). He actuallt isn't a bad singles player and I think he can take at least one set off out-of-form Massu

Yoel and co.
08-24-2005, 11:22 AM
Only two small bets for me -

Ram X Blake

Petrova X Smashnova X Peer

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 11:26 AM
Regarding Andy Ram - you won't find a lot of his singles games,as he focuses on doubles mostly (with Erlich). He actuallt isn't a bad singles player and I think he can take at least one set off out-of-form Massu
Well Massu's been absolutely horrid on hard court. So if Ram can beat Mello, and convincingly too, then why not Massu? That's the way I see it.

Silvio
08-24-2005, 11:32 AM
Only two small bets for me -

Ram X Blake

Petrova X Smashnova X Peer

Petrova is replaced by LL Zheng, according to

http://www.wtatour.com/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=/global/Pdfs/events/2005/newhaven_draws.pdf

right pectoralis strain

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 11:36 AM
I'm amazed people bet on WTA.

I haven't really tried it yet, so, may I ask, is it a particularly beatable proposition? That is, of course, when we're talking about bets with acceptable pricing?

its.like.that
08-24-2005, 11:50 AM
Oh... dear... :sad:


Yo Mr Lucky Jim, do you know of any sites providing information on Andy Ram's 2005 tournament record? atptennis.com seems to have nothing at all! Or is it that Mr Ram hasn't played in a singles tournament all year?

(Incidentally, they also don't mention what his place in the rankings is. Maybe he doesn't have one or something? :-/)

here you go champ ;)

profile - http://www.itftennis.com/Mens/players/player.asp?player=30012264

2005 results - http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=30012264

coup3z
08-24-2005, 12:10 PM
final bets :

singles: kohlschreiber & ram
combo : gonzo+ferrer

skel1983
08-24-2005, 12:17 PM
If someone got US OPEN Qualies - Sela Over Murray @ 3.60!!! it's a 50-50 match, they both are the best players in shape in the qualies right now, both won two challengers and they both know that the U.S. Open is their opprutonity to break threw.


It obvioudly isn't a 50/50 match up, Murray has far more experience, they have both won challenger's yes that's correct, but Murray has much more big time experience than Sela, price is not bad but it's not 50/50.

Nimrodg
08-24-2005, 12:29 PM
It obvioudly isn't a 50/50 match up, Murray has far more experience, they have both won challenger's yes that's correct, but Murray has much more big time experience than Sela, price is not bad but it's not 50/50.
:rolleyes:

Sela is in the ATP for 3 or 4 years. although he played mostly in challengers, you can't say that a guy who is half year in the ATP got more experience.

SwiSha
08-24-2005, 12:37 PM
okay back in business

starting with a Blake + Haas + Gonzo parlay

good luck

Bolar Bolabi
08-24-2005, 12:38 PM
Blake X O Rochus X Haas

Yoel and co.
08-24-2005, 12:39 PM
According to the BBC, Murray has been struggling with a shoulder injury.

skel1983
08-24-2005, 12:48 PM
:rolleyes:

Sela is in the ATP for 3 or 4 years. although he played mostly in challengers, you can't say that a guy who is half year in the ATP got more experience.


You need to get your facts right mate he has played one atp tour event since the the start of 02, he might have been a pro for that period of time but he has played 1 match in 4 years.(Roland Garros this year lost to Federer)

Murray has played around 10 matches in the space of four months, has been to the third round of a GS and has played and beat a handful of top 32 players, so when has Sela had this experience please let me know??????

I am not saying Murray will win easily but he should do and like i said previously it's no way near 50/50 as the price would identify!!

Dice
08-24-2005, 12:50 PM
clement + ram to take 1 set + blake @ 2.3 go go go gooooooooooooooooooooo

skel1983
08-24-2005, 01:03 PM
:rolleyes:

Sela is in the ATP for 3 or 4 years. although he played mostly in challengers, you can't say that a guy who is half year in the ATP got more experience.


It's like saying (don't know if you follow Football) Wayne Rooney of Manchester United has less experience than a player from the lower leagues because the other guy from the lower leagues has been playing for five years even though Ronney has played on the bigger scene I.E Euro championship's with England Premiership and Champion League, quite similar to Murray, Murray has hit ball with Nalbandian, Stepanek,Safin, Nalbandian etc etc in the last few weeks, Murray has much more experience, playing Challengers in front of a man and his dog against a player ranked 300 in the world, even if he does this for ten years does not come near to experiencing playing top players week in week out.

Mistaflava
08-24-2005, 01:12 PM
Blake X O Rochus X Haas


good luck bro but too much juice on Haas...dangerous in my opinion. GL

Mistaflava
08-24-2005, 01:13 PM
okay back in business

starting with a Blake + Haas + Gonzo parlay

good luck



a lot of juice but I like all three (hopefully Blake has his brain). Good Luck!

Nimrodg
08-24-2005, 01:16 PM
It's like saying (don't know if you follow Football) Wayne Rooney of Manchester United has less experience than a player from the lower leagues because the other guy from the lower leagues has been playing for five years even though Ronney has played on the bigger scene I.E Euro championship's with England Premiership and Champion League, quite similar to Murray, Murray has hit ball with Nalbandian, Stepanek,Safin, Nalbandian etc etc in the last few weeks, Murray has much more experience, playing Challengers in front of a man and his dog against a player ranked 300 in the world, even if he does this for ten years does not come near to experiencing playing top players week in week out.

Come on.. You can't compare ronney to murray, because Ronney played in the EPL since he was 16.5.
and no, i don't think that 10 matches are "much experience" , it's a fact that andy still struglled in some of his matchesin the challengers. I think it's a 50-50 mcuh because Dudi really played well this month and so is murray, i believe that they are in the same level and they both really wants to qualify.

Mistaflava
08-24-2005, 01:17 PM
New Haven: 4-0 (+4.00 Units)


My Picks


Paul-Henri Mathieu over Fabrice Santoro -208 (1 Unit)

Gael Monfils over Stefan Koubek -210 (1 Unit)

Jurgen Melzer over Phillip Kohlschreiber -162 (1 Unit)

David Ferrer over Tomas Zib -201 (1 Unit)



Good Luck today guys!

skel1983
08-24-2005, 01:29 PM
Come on.. You can't compare ronney to murray, because Ronney played in the EPL since he was 16.5.
and no, i don't think that 10 matches are "much experience" , it's a fact that andy still struglled in some of his matchesin the challengers. I think it's a 50-50 mcuh because Dudi really played well this month and so is murray, i believe that they are in the same level and they both really wants to qualify.

Wanting to qualify?? we wall want something that we can't have or do, but you didn't get my point, Murray has been hitting with Safin and Dent last week and Sela has not he has not hit the heights Murray has so far , so if your are discounting the 10 matches he has had on the atp tour your silly, because that is one of the main reason's that he is something like 1.15 to win, because in every other department i'e ranking recent results on the challenger etc etc there is nothing between them, but the experience is the key. Your man Sela could well win but to dismiss the the calibure of opponent and his 10 or so match experience he has had on the atp tour which is 9 or so more than Sela is stupid.

OzinLondon
08-24-2005, 02:15 PM
Murray is better and will win, all other arguments irrelevant!!

dbnumberone
08-24-2005, 02:21 PM
added 5 units on ferrer, # zib

sports freak
08-24-2005, 03:17 PM
For all that you figure to win on the other three bets, that is if they DO all win, then you would've lost more than that gain if Spadea defeats Seppi. Are you serious?

Anyway, about Seppi's performance...did you really watch him against Tursunov? Because Seppi really didn't play that well at all. His was among the most mediocre displays of the entire first round.

It is true that Spadea's played poorly in the last three tournaments, but hey, it was only a month and a half ago that he was playing Rusedski in the final at Newport. Also, Seppi's got a total lack of recent hard court experience. Hasn't played in a hard court tournament since March. Though Spadea's no "safe" bet (if such a thing exists), my view is that Seppi does NOT look good here.

Were you among those who backed Spadea against Gilles Simon, by any chance? ;)

Tosser if i wanted your expert opinion i would ask for it,no i did not bet on Spadea against ur buddy Giles so where you comin from there makin up bullshit allegations against!!!why dont you just put your money where you mouth is since your a claimed to be genius!!!Too scared Spadea gonna get a whoop as licking and make u look silly!!!! :rolleyes:

skel1983
08-24-2005, 03:44 PM
New tennis fan where did you see the seppi match????

From my knowledge no coverage of it in the uk???

JMG
08-24-2005, 07:40 PM
Gremelmayr over Greul @2.70 :eek:

Thanks Gremelmayr! He's one of the best player right now on the rank 100-300 level, so that was a great offer!

Gremelmayr d. Greul 6-4 6-1 :worship:

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:17 PM
Tosser if i wanted your expert opinion i would ask for it,no i did not bet on Spadea against ur buddy Giles so where you comin from there makin up bullshit allegations against!!!why dont you just put your money where you mouth is since your a claimed to be genius!!!Too scared Spadea gonna get a whoop as licking and make u look silly!!!! :rolleyes:
Yes, I look hella silly now. Boy, you showed me!

Now to show your boy Seppi how to play tennis, after that marathon ;).





Jokes aside, what I told you stands. You placed 10 units on Seppi, and if that one were to lose, you wouldn't figure to do so much as MAKE 10 units even if all the other three bets (8 units worth!) won. I'm not sure why you're so annoyed at me, ya cheeky little poo poo head (yes, I can play the same game);). I wasn't dissing your handicapping skills. I was just saying, don't make bets in that way, with that kind of incremental inconsistency. It will ALWAYS end up making anybody go broke, unless they can somehow pick 100% winners (back to the future, anybody?).

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:19 PM
A HUGE, HUGE round of congratulations to Santoro and Koubek, especially Koubek, who fought back excellently today and showed that he's still got what it takes.

Well done Fabrice and Stefan!

Just a pity that of those three underdogs, I had to pick Ram... :sad:

dbnumberone
08-24-2005, 09:25 PM
ok, here goes - at the very least, I'm brave enough to post 'em :)
8.75 units on vinny - that's a good sized bet, but I reined it in on big (for me)
5 units on Ferrer x Haas x Monfils x Kohlschriebber (favs plus Melzer hasn't done much lately)
1 day after posting my Spadea/Zib never play promise, here I am
gl all

# I didn't think to cover the parlay in time but still a very nice day w/ Vinny & a Ferrer bet posted earlier, up 11.25 units w/ a 3.3 bet to win 1 on Haas to go, gl all

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:37 PM
# I didn't think to cover the parlay in time but still a very nice day w/ Vinny & a Ferrer bet posted earlier, up 11.25 units w/ a 3.3 bet to win 1 on Haas to go, gl all
Well done on that Spadea bet. It was quite a risk, but I'm glad it paid off.

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 09:41 PM
And here's to all you Murray supporters:

C'mon! You all know he's mediocre. Why bother defending him? And hey, he's a Scot. Whatever he goes on to achieve (by the looks of things, very little), it'll always be seen as an achievement for Scotland. If you're from England, you know it'll never mean anything for us.

adee-gee
08-24-2005, 10:42 PM
And here's to all you Murray supporters:

C'mon! You all know he's mediocre. Why bother defending him? And hey, he's a Scot. Whatever he goes on to achieve (by the looks of things, very little), it'll always be seen as an achievement for Scotland. If you're from England, you know it'll never mean anything for us.

Sorry I must've missed the huge English potential coming through. Grow up you bitter Englishman :rolleyes:

NewTennisFan
08-24-2005, 10:48 PM
Sorry I must've missed the huge English potential coming through. Grow up you bitter Englishman :rolleyes:
But at least I don't claim that there IS any huge potential coming through. English tennis is in a pathetic state, has been for a very long time, and probably will continue to be so unless a lot of changes are made at grass-root level. Tim Henman is pretty much ready to retire, and "our" best player other than him (and perhaps even better), is a CANADIAN! [sorry Mistaflava, but hey... it's the truth ;)]

It's time you Scots faced up to the same truth. You have nothing better than us on that tennis court! Monfils could wipe the floor with Murray.

adee-gee
08-24-2005, 10:52 PM
But at least I don't claim that there IS any huge potential coming through. English tennis is in a pathetic state, has been for a very long time, and probably will continue to be so unless a lot of changes are made at grass-root level. Tim Henman is pretty much ready to retire, and "our" best player other than him (and perhaps even better), is a CANADIAN! [sorry Mistaflava, but hey... it's the truth ;)]

It's time you Scots faced up to the same truth. You have nothing better than us on that tennis court! Monfils could wipe the floor with Murray.

Shouldn't the fact that British tennis is in a pathetic state mean we should appreciate the talent we do have coming through? Andy is unlikely to win a Grand Slam in his career, but so are 99.9% of players that are pro's.

Andy is a bloody talented player. Every player thats played him has pretty much said it. He's thrashed Taylor Dent twice, beat Stepanek convincingly, probably should have beaten Johansson and Nalbandian and took a set 6-1 from the 4th best player in the world. He's 18 and has played about 5 ATP events. I'm not saying he's the greatest player alive, I just think he's got a lot of potential and expect him to beat people like Dudi Sela. I expect him to qualify, but then he'll be underdog against probably anyone he draws in the first round.

SwiSha
08-25-2005, 02:16 AM
okay back in business

starting with a Blake + Haas + Gonzo parlay

good luck

solid parlay around 2 hits ...:yeah:

btw this ain t GM ..take ur discussion about British tennis somewhere else ;)

dbnumberone
08-25-2005, 02:18 AM
TOUCHDOWN TOMMY HAAS

g35-great
08-25-2005, 03:09 AM
solid parlay around 2 hits ...:yeah:

btw this ain t GM ..take ur discussion about British tennis somewhere else ;)


when the hell did u come back :hug:

its.like.that
08-25-2005, 03:15 AM
Ok, Powerpoint hitting out at 1-14. VAMOS!

Gimelstob over Gonzalez @ 4.50
Volandri over Blake @ 3.90
Monfils over Koubek @ 1.50

Shaughnessy over Groenefeld @ 2.40

1-17

its.like.that
08-25-2005, 03:15 AM
I'll throw in C.Rochus over Haas @ 3.40

and 1-18

VAMOS