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Cincy Thursday

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 05:10 AM
Maybe some Monfils, Safin and Horna, undecided as of yet.

Vaidisova is a banker at the ladies. ;)

sports freak
08-18-2005, 05:47 AM
Maybe some Monfils, Safin and Horna, undecided as of yet.

Vaidisova is a banker at the ladies. ;)

Good luck mate,like the plays aswell!!!peace

The Gucci one
08-18-2005, 06:55 AM
Hmm don't know about Horna as Acasuso has a 3 - 0 HTH Lead could be a bit risky and none of my bookies have prices up yet. Also Safin would be extremely risky as I have seen his first 2 matches and he has made a lot of mistakes from the baseline. Hrbaty has a 4 - 3 HTH on hardcourts over Safin and if Hrbaty gets him into lots of baseline rallies Safin could implode. Monfils I think is a pretty safe bet as he seems to be a confidence player in his young career. The tournament win a week or so back has filled him with confidence and he could have crushed Beck yesterday 6 - 1 6-2 but he let Beck back into the 2nd set before seeing him off. Also Youzhny has had 2 tough 3 setters so it would not surprise to see the fresher Monfils breeze through in straight sets.

sports freak
08-18-2005, 07:00 AM
Yeah i agree just saw the h2h,like smokin Joe to do some damage!!!!

10 units on Monfils 1.78,Youzhny played and injured bloke!!
10 units on Monfils 1.78/Hewitt 1.26 double!!!
5 units on Acasuso waiting for odds!!!!
2 units on the treble!!!!p.s The DOM is GOOD!!!!

Richard Fromberg
08-18-2005, 07:16 AM
Hrbaty is in good form.

Back him again in straight sets over Safina.

Monfils is producing the goods and look for him to continue his run.

Davydenko maybe

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 07:34 AM
Hmm don't know about Horna as Acasuso has a 3 - 0 HTH Lead could be a bit risky and none of my bookies have prices up yet. Also Safin would be extremely risky as I have seen his first 2 matches and he has made a lot of mistakes from the baseline. Hrbaty has a 4 - 3 HTH on hardcourts over Safin and if Hrbaty gets him into lots of baseline rallies Safin could implode. Monfils I think is a pretty safe bet as he seems to be a confidence player in his young career. The tournament win a week or so back has filled him with confidence and he could have crushed Beck yesterday 6 - 1 6-2 but he let Beck back into the 2nd set before seeing him off. Also Youzhny has had 2 tough 3 setters so it would not surprise to see the fresher Monfils breeze through in straight sets.

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=10010835&opponent=10025788

here is the head to head to which you refer, but note that those meetings were all on clay, the most recent of which was 2 years ago. I think Horna has a better hardcourt game than chucho.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 07:37 AM
The question with Safin, is whether he cares about winning enough - or is the mind set on the US Open.

The Gucci one
08-18-2005, 07:48 AM
http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=10010835&opponent=10025788

here is the head to head to which you refer, but note that those meetings were all on clay, the most recent of which was 2 years ago. I think Horna has a better hardcourt game than chucho.

Yes you are right about the HTH. Just saying that I'd be a bit wary of backing Horna despite his recent good hardcourt form as I have not seen a price and Acasuso had a good win over Robredo who has a pretty good hardcourt record. If Horna was anything under $1.80 I'd definitely say no bet.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 07:53 AM
Ancic v Hewitt - The value here is definitely with Ancic @ 4.20 - especially if you plan on trading inplay. He won comfortably yesterday, while Hewitt hasn't been his normal self of late.

Davydenko v Gonzalez - In my mind, this is one to avoid. I think the result will be fairly clear cut, one way or the other, it all depends on which one of these headcases cares about this tournament more. I would rate this pretty close to a 50/50 contest, so the value is with Gonzalez.

Federer v Rochus - Roger 2 matches in, coming from behind to beat Kiefer, can't see the Belgian flea troubling him.

Monfils v Youzhny - Another fairly even matchup in which I'm giving the nod to the frenchman. He appears to be coming of age somewhat - with his maiden title, and now stringing 2 straight sets masters wins together. Youzhny has the game and experience to beat Monfils, but his two 3rd set tiebreak efforts suggest that he may not be playing his best tennis at the moment.

Safin v Hrbaty - see above.

Horna v Acasuso - likewise.

Roddick v Chela - Chela took a set off Roddick in Washington a few weeks ago, and is coming off a solid win over Henman. Roddick on the other hand struggled against JCF, and was knocked out in Montreal by PHM - suggesting that he too may have Flushing Meadows already on his mind. Chela definitely worth a shout at 6.40 - especially for any traders.

Moya v Ginepri - can't find any books with this match up yet. Ginepri wasn't troubled at all by Ferrer yesterday, while Moya did struggle somewhat against Simon. That said, I'm not going to back Ginepri against Moya.

The Gucci one
08-18-2005, 07:54 AM
The question with Safin, is whether he cares about winning enough - or is the mind set on the US Open.

Too true.

Also the more matches he gets under his belt the closer he gets too suddenly striking his irrestible top form. I just think Hrbaty has an outstanding chance if Safin plays to the same level as he did against Hernych & Murray. If Murray shoulder had not being playing up today he quite possibly would have beaten Safin.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 07:54 AM
Yes you are right about the HTH. Just saying that I'd be a bit wary of backing Horna despite his recent good hardcourt form as I have not seen a price and Acasuso had a good win over Robredo who has a pretty good hardcourt record. If Horna was anything under $1.80 I'd definitely say no bet.

Robredo has bean out of sorts for a while now - don't read into his form too much.

LESAK
08-18-2005, 08:30 AM
Davydenko for sure - all in!!!!!

LESAK
08-18-2005, 08:32 AM
Maybe a surprise from Dulko against "the female reptile"

LESAK
08-18-2005, 08:35 AM
Odds 4 on Hewitt on centrebet????

No longer..... ;)

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 09:15 AM
If it's warm then Hrbaty will win.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 09:29 AM
I think Ginepri is a great bet today, against ferrer only 1 break point against him very impressive, he has looked good all week and is great bet to beat moya today.

Other picks

Monfils x Horna

Good Luck

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 09:55 AM
I think probably the best bets of the day are Monfils over Youzhny and Ginepri over Moya.

Other ones worth looking into are Ancic over Hewitt and Hrbaty over Safin. One of these I think is likely to end in an upset.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 09:57 AM
Hrbaty is crying out with a "BET OF THE WEEK PLEA!!!"

But i don't like backing for or against Safin, just a little rule i have had last couple of years, but it look's a very good prospect what do you think???

Yoel and co.
08-18-2005, 10:09 AM
I don't like betting for/against Safin either, especially when he is not 100% fit. He is as unpredicitable as any WTA (or Andreev) game

I think Chela has a chance vs Roddick, as he already might life tough for him in Wshington this year. Then again, I thought JCF would make Roddick work for his money (then again, he did :) )

Biggest bet for me is Horna, who seems to like playing on HC in US tournaments. Small doubles parlay of Horna X Chela X Dulko X Vaidisova

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 10:47 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=47964

Let just keep it to a banter, instead of the slinging matches

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 10:52 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=47964

Let just keep it to a banter, instead of the slinging matches

but aftertiming is helpful.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 10:54 AM
but aftertiming is helpful.


you are going to have to shed some light on what that means in this case becuase you've lost me there

nalbandian is the new davydenko for me, he goes to the top of the class, blacklist wise after yesterday against Gonzo and his piss poor effort against Beck in Montreal

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 10:58 AM
Market movers:

Over the last 6 hours, the following changes in players' odds have taken place at betfair -

Safin - gone out slightly
Monfils - came in, then drifted out
Ancic - shortened from 4.20 to 3.65
Roddick - has come in by a few points
Davydenko - very steady, a slight drop in price if anything
Federer - steady
Horna - around a 15 point drop in price

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 11:00 AM
you are going to have to shed some light on what that means in this case becuase you've lost me there

nalbandian is the new davydenko for me, he goes to the top of the class, blacklist wise after yesterday against Gonzo and his piss poor effort against Beck in Montreal

it was not meant to be taken literally.

and yer, panda bear is frustrating, but I still love him.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 11:05 AM
I'm on the Monfils bandwagon, seems to playing with a lot of confidence recently:

Parlay:

Monfils x Vaidisova = $2.00 (6 units)

Petrova x Mauresmo x Davydenko = $2.46 (4 units)

Single:

Ginepri to beat Moya = $2.00 (5 units)

Laying a bit there, but that should see ensure I'm not fully bored whilst I recover from my jetlag later tonight :)

g35-great
08-18-2005, 11:09 AM
i know i am not supposed to bet more than second round in tennis but i got nothing in soccer today :( so i am back here for some small action

Mario Ancic +4 @ 1.80

if this one wins then i will take this chela bet later on if not i will skip and take horna :)

Juan-Ignacio Chela +5 @ 1.90

Horna @ 1.61

if i were u ..i will not make any parlays after the first round in tennis... just take singles and also i would skip monfils today but that is just me :)

Good luck

g35-great
08-18-2005, 11:14 AM
also is this WTA parlay safe???

Svetlana Kuznetsova X Amelie Mauresmo X Anastasia Myskina @ 2.02

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 11:21 AM
also is this WTA parlay safe???

Svetlana Kuznetsova X Amelie Mauresmo X Anastasia Myskina @ 2.02


kuzzie and myskina have been playing like shit recently, vaidisova is paying the same

g35-great
08-18-2005, 11:25 AM
oh then i will just parlay Horna X Mauresmo @ 1.80 :)

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 11:25 AM
it was not meant to be taken literally.

and yer, panda bear is frustrating, but I still love him.

Makes it more fun when he wins.

I just want to know where AceMaan, Flava and Skel are? I want to know, so I can go opposite picks.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 11:26 AM
oh then i will just parlay Horna X Mauresmo @ 1.80 :)


looks solid, but i can't bring myself to back against chucho, so might just leave it

$@M
08-18-2005, 11:27 AM
Horna (1.63) x Davy (1.6) x Monfils (1.6) x Vaidisova (1.14) <-- my tip for tonight

= 4.75 times ~~!!!

I've seen Moya played against Nadal in the last tourney, where he lost 1-2 sets... he was mighty impressive... and i also watched Ginepri thrashed Puerta 2 days ago... i say it's pretty close play.. but Robby paying 2.05 and Carlos at 1.7, i think Robby is a good single bet ! *trying not to ruin my paylay*

Safin (1.6) v Hrbaty (2.2) is a toss of coin for me... as somwone mentioned, it really depends on Safin's mood. Hrbaty is sure to put up a fight, but i'm not touching that one.

Ancic has been in good form lately, but Hewitt proved he can go up against big servers, ie Rusedski last round, so i think it's gonna be Hewitt coming out on top, but paying only at 1.25, not worth taking the risk...

Roddick (1.12) is just not worth it... altho i think he'll win. might put him into my parlay... but he really stinks me A LOT last time he lost to Mathieu first round... so i'm too cynicle to bet on him...

and last but not least, Federer (1.04), i think the bookie got it dead right... O Rochus is good, but will hv no chance against Fed X tonight... but again, 1.04 is just not worth it...

These are my opinion, feel free to comment and give me more tips. thanks...

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 11:30 AM
agree with that assessment slamin' sam

if safin plays anything like he did at AO against Hrbaty in their matchup, the dominator has no chance, it was the first time I saw Hrbaty looking dead on his feet, and that is not something easy to do against such an ironman

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 11:35 AM
One difference gambler. There will be no roof to save Safin this time and he is an indoor monster, whereas if it's hot then Hrbaty will be loving it and these two know each other very well, no secrets here.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 11:37 AM
One difference gambler. There will be no roof to save Safin this time and he is an indoor monster, whereas if it's hot then Hrbaty will be loving it and these two know each other very well, no secrets here.


very good point, slipped my mind safin-hrbaty played under the roof AO

in any case this one is a no bet for me

Deivid23
08-18-2005, 11:39 AM
One difference gambler. There will be no roof to save Safin this time and he is an indoor monster, whereas if it's hot then Hrbaty will be loving it and these two know each other very well, no secrets here.

Even a roof wonīt make a significant difference with this Safin

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 11:40 AM
Makes it more fun when he wins.

I just want to know where AceMaan, Flava and Skel are? I want to know, so I can go opposite picks.

AceMaan - well, his post from yesterday is pretty self explanatory:

managed to convince my boss for a salary advance.....and doing the following

1) Kiefer to beat Federer @9.00.............($300)
2) Hewitt x Monfils x Gasquet @3.50................($700)

.........if lose both of these........i really have to join some sort of an anti-addiction program............to buy time until i get my year end bonus

Flava - having problems alining the cells and columns on his spreadsheet.

Skel - I believe the house may be sitting today, he is otherwise pre-occupied.

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 11:40 AM
Even a roof wonīt make a significant difference with this Safin

It depends on the weather in this match and whether Safin decides to use Rusedski junk against Hrbaty.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 11:42 AM
George, what's with the beef.

Oh i saw your little Henman post NICE, but at this moment in time i feel when you have heated post's with other's and you are wrong(i.e Henman) could well turn round doubt it though!!! you take it to heart awh, i hope i haven't hurt your feelings to much.

lol

Deivid23
08-18-2005, 11:42 AM
It depends on the weather in this match and whether Safin decides to use Rusedski junk against Hrbaty.

Safin looked pathetic against both Hernych and Murray and has not enough confidence on his knee yet. As long as Hrbaty doesnīt have one of those days when he dumps everything on the net he has a very good chance today.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 11:43 AM
**NEWSFLASH**

If anyone cares, Serena has just pulled out of Toronto.

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 11:44 AM
I don't think I'll change my rule of not betting on hardcourts very often. At the same time can Acasuso turn up and play well or will he have a shocker?

skel1983
08-18-2005, 11:44 AM
Skel - I believe the house may be sitting today, he is otherwise pre-occupied.[/QUOTE]

Please explain kind Sir??

Deivid23
08-18-2005, 11:45 AM
I don't think I'll change my rule of not betting on hardcourts very often. At the same time can Acasuso turn up and play well or will he have a shocker?

Iīd like to watch that match but it wonīt be broadcasted :sad:

$@M
08-18-2005, 11:45 AM
**NEWSFLASH**

If anyone cares, Serena has just pulled out of Toronto.

Yeah, i saw... Pennetta had a Walk-over... shame... Pennetta played pretty well last match, i was gonna bet on her anyway...

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 11:46 AM
George, what's with the beef.

Oh i saw your little Henman post NICE, but at this moment in time i feel when you have heated post's with other's and you are wrong(i.e Henman) could well turn round doubt it though!!! you take it to heart awh, i hope i haven't hurt your feelings to much.

lol

Just stating the obvious and I don't care either way for Henman and as for taking it to heart, as long as you think that, then that's cool.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 11:46 AM
George, what's with the beef.

Oh i saw your little Henman post NICE, but at this moment in time i feel when you have heated post's with other's and you are wrong(i.e Henman) could well turn round doubt it though!!! you take it to heart awh, i hope i haven't hurt your feelings to much.

lol

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

a pommy Sports Freak, no offence to SF :p

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 11:47 AM
Iīd like to watch that match but it wonīt be broadcasted :sad:

Well the other night match will be here, but if that finishes early, then they'll show it, but one can never tell.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 11:50 AM
Skel - I believe the house may be sitting today, he is otherwise pre-occupied.

Please explain kind Sir??[/QUOTE]

are you not familiar with your parliamentary system?

skel1983
08-18-2005, 11:53 AM
Yes i am, but your posts are very how can i say, very short and sometimes confusing.

Which nation u from???

skel1983
08-18-2005, 11:55 AM
:haha::haha::haha::haha:

a pommy Sports Freak, no offence to SF :p

Very intresting which other sport's would that be???

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 11:57 AM
Very intresting which other sport's would that be???

:haha::haha::haha:

are you trying to be funny? or does it just come naturally?

g35-great
08-18-2005, 11:59 AM
sports freak is another person who argued with everyone when he came here new and its.like.that is saying that you are just like him :)

leave the guy alone its.like.that :angel: behave like a good boy and i will get u a lap dance from sania mirza... and if u keep fighting then all u get is a lap dance from venus williams.. u choose :cool:

Bolar Bolabi
08-18-2005, 12:00 PM
Monfils X Horna X New England

$@M
08-18-2005, 12:03 PM
sports freak is another person who argued with everyone when he came here new and its.like.that is saying that you are just like him :)

leave the guy alone its.like.that :angel: behave like a good boy and i will get u a lap dance from sania mirza... and if u keep fighting then all u get is a lap dance from venus williams.. u choose :cool:

Can i hv Hantuchova or Myskina lap dance instead ??? hehehe...

skel1983
08-18-2005, 12:05 PM
Can i hv Hantuchova or Myskina lap dance instead ??? hehehe...

MYSKINA!!!

rather you than me, fair enough if that's what your into.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 12:06 PM
sports freak is another person who argued with everyone when he came here new and its.like.that is saying that you are just like him :)

leave the guy alone its.like.that :angel: behave like a good boy and i will get u a lap dance from sania mirza... and if u keep fighting then all u get is a lap dance from venus williams.. u choose :cool:

g35 - do you work as an interpreter by profession? if not, I recommend it. ;)

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 12:08 PM
sports freak is another person who argued with everyone when he came here new and its.like.that is saying that you are just like him :)

leave the guy alone its.like.that :angel: behave like a good boy and i will get u a lap dance from sania mirza... and if u keep fighting then all u get is a lap dance from venus williams.. u choose :cool:

I couldn't say I would have the time of day for either of those occasions.

g35-great
08-18-2005, 12:12 PM
g35 - do you work as an interpreter by profession? if not, I recommend it. ;)

I am from a land which supports PEACE... we dont like war ... if we do fight then its just Nuclear :shrug:

Bolar Bolabi
08-18-2005, 12:14 PM
I could get a lap dance from any chick I like. I'm a chick magnet.

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 12:15 PM
I could get a lap dance from any chick I like. I'm a chick magnet.

Martina Navratilova said she was interested.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 12:16 PM
I am from a land which supports PEACE... we dont like war ... if we do fight then its just Nuclear :shrug:

what about when a client mistreats one of your ladeez? wouldn't that make you send sparks flying?

:lol:

g35-great
08-18-2005, 12:26 PM
what about when a client mistreats one of your ladeez? wouldn't that make you send sparks flying?

:lol:

nah i will just take a scissor and cut of his tinny winny winkie :devil:

Yoel and co.
08-18-2005, 01:15 PM
The new people that after 12 posts already have 13 sworn enemies are just :help:

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 01:30 PM
also is this WTA parlay safe???
Is there such thing as a safe parlay?

happy928
08-18-2005, 01:31 PM
CAN WE JUST STICK WITH FREAKIN TENNIS GAMLBING PICKS ON THIS THREAD...............WE HAVE 5 PAGES WORTH HERE AND ONLY 1 PAGE IS RELATED TO TODAY'S TOPIC......

FREAKIN GRANVILLE NEEDED TO HOLD ONE MORE GAME AND SHE PISSED AWAY MY PARLAY LAST NIGHT :)

K, LET'S GO WITH KUZZY OVER DULKO EARLY ON.....(BIG PLAY) :p

LESAK
08-18-2005, 01:43 PM
Martina Navratilova said she was interested.

Martina has turned down the offer, Svetlana Kuznetzova has voluntered.... :eek:

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 01:46 PM
Steer clear siren:

Don't bet Chela over Roddick. Reading too much into his victories over Martin and Henman could prove costly. Tim was horrid yesterday, and was having injury difficulties. Alberto Martin is... well, Alberto Martin. And opponents aside, Chela didn't even play that well in either matches. Yesterday, for example, he missed 8 break points. Fail to take advantage like that against Roddick, and you're screwed. That aside, Roddick's been playing a better all-round game in most other departments too.

If you like long odds, Ancic over Hewitt looks more favorable. At times, Hewitt was less than convincing yesterday against Rusedski, and Ancic may just prove to have what it takes to go that one step further. Personality-wise, Ancic often proves more likely to underperform when he's playing against the dogs, so I expect him to rise to the occasion.

Biggest waste of time of the day: Davydenko vs Gonzalez. If anything figures to be a coin toss, it is this one. Davydenko is on extremely unpredictable form, and just isn't worth a bet. Though, with that said, his game this week has been clearly more impresssive.

LESAK
08-18-2005, 01:57 PM
Davydenko=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Unpredictable form???? 6-2, 6-2 against Mathieu yesterday..... No probs for Davy today, easy win!

skel1983
08-18-2005, 02:01 PM
Beck last week?????

on hard court very unpredictable in my mind

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:03 PM
Beck last week?????

on hard court very unpredictable in my mind

Is 7-6 in the third against Beck a bad result?? Beck is dangerous on hard!

skel1983
08-18-2005, 02:03 PM
Forgot to add the point exactly!!!!

6-2 6-2 against PHM not expected because of last week results

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 02:09 PM
Is 7-6 in the third against Beck a bad result?? Beck is dangerous on hard!
:bs:

skel1983
08-18-2005, 02:10 PM
well it's not a good result is it???

What cos he took him 3 sets he should be proud of himself he is ranked in top 10, Beck is dangerous, but i wouldn't be proud of being beaton by Beck if i was him.

Prior to Rogers cup he lost opening round's in miami and indian will's, he is not at his most comfortable on this surface by any means, he could well come up with the goods,but no one would be suprised if he lost 2 and 2.

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:14 PM
Davy is getting better and better as I see it, maybe not his best surface, but he is too consistent for Gonzo... Davy wonīt be making the amount of easy mistakes Nalbandian makes...

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 02:15 PM
Davydenko can play on all surfaces except grass, but don't let that get in the way of anything. As for the match, if someone is that desperate they need the money they want to bet on this match, then go ahead, there are better ones around.

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 02:15 PM
Once again, I have formulated an Excel Spreadsheet that includes about 10 different factors for these matches. I have added another factor now that we are in the 2nd Round. The system gives either a PLAY or a NO-PLAY once I have entered all pertaining information. In Cincinnati the spreadsheet is 18-7 and today's games look just as good. I am no longer using heavy favorites UNDER the 1.50 mark because they are not worth the juice.


MISTAFLAVA'S EXCEL SPREADHSEET PICKS


Jose Acasuso 2.51 over Luis Horna (5 Units)

Chucho has been playing well all week and although these two have only ever met on clay court, I still think he can take Horna out in three sets. Both players have played well this week and that means we look at the TB's. Acasuso is 6-3 in TB's this season while Horna is only 5-9. At these odds there is no resisting.


Gael Monfils 1.77 over Mikael Youzhny (20 Units)

Gael is on absolute fire the last few weeks and his confidence has shot through the sky. Youzhny has been on court 4 hours and 18 minutes this week while Monfils is well rested and has been on court only 2 hours and 25 minutes. These odds are too good to resist and I see Gael winning this in two sets. Monfils is 8-2 in Tiebreakers this year while Youzhny is now 6-8 in TB's. Who the hell made these odds? Youzhny is going to be extremely tired for this one.


Good Luck today guys...let's make some big cash!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 02:17 PM
To be honest I think that olny two matches today worth attention.
First is Ancic M. to beat Hewitt L.
and second is Horna L. to beat Acasuso J. but if you can find at least 1.7 to Acasuso!

The reason why I am on Mario side not resides in some form Mario Ancic explanation, but on fact that Hewitt in last few weeks is lost somewhere in the space because of private life things. Yesterday we saw that Rusedski had a Hewitt number but at the end lost. I think if Hewitt repeat such bad presentation with only 52% of first serves then he will in trouble.
From the other side Mario is not so good bet because recently he has played with descending form trend. On this tournament it seems that he starts to play again...
Only reason for concern could be that Hewitt could easily retire from match... He is known as pussy...

Horna is Horny! On this tournament he is playing really well! Acasuso is not so great hard court player to be some special treat for Horna. I think that this is a great change for Horna to get back all for that loses in past...

Gael Monfils could be easily good bet, but I am still waiting to see Youzhny form condition. It seems that after 2x3 sets it is hard to expect some outstanding performance from his side. Last year Youzhny had great hard court performance, but it seems that somehow America doesn't fit him well... This year three tournament so far he lost in first round...

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:21 PM
Davydenko can play on all surfaces except grass, but don't let that get in the way of anything. As for the match, if someone is that desperate they need the money they want to bet on this match, then go ahead, there are better ones around.

Who do you think will win this match?
I donīt know why but im not worried about this match at all...

Who are you on today George?

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 02:21 PM
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Only reason for concern could be that Hewitt could easily retire from match... He is known as pussy...




yeah nice call since the last match he retired from before last week in Montreal was in 1999 :retard:

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 02:21 PM
For the one who said "no probs for Davy today" and didn't notice his very spurious recent form, I take it you haven't been betting on him much in the last couple months. No worries: you'll learn your lesson later on ;-).

About Karol Beck... obviously he's now irrelevant to this week's competition, but what can be said about him is that he isn't a BAD player on hard courts - what lets him down, is that he too often crumbles to the pressure. Yesterday he was 6-2 up on Monfils in that tiebreak, and it looked as if Monfils had probably lost his composure for the rest of the match. But Beck played some horrible shots, and handed Monfils the victory. Beck lets himself down.

I just hope that Gael doesn't fall apart again today, after securing a brilliant advantage.

Action Jackson
08-18-2005, 02:23 PM
Tiebreak stats aren't generally relevant until a tiebreaker is about to be played, it would only matter in a Roddick v Karlovic match before the start of it.

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:26 PM
For the one who said "no probs for Davy today" and didn't notice his very spurious recent form, I take it you haven't been betting on him much in the last couple months. No worries: you'll learn your lesson later on ;-).

About Karol Beck... obviously he's now irrelevant to this week's competition, but what can be said about him is that he isn't a BAD player on hard courts - what lets him down, is that he too often crumbles to the pressure. Yesterday he was 6-2 up on Monfils in that tiebreak, and it looked as if Monfils had probably lost his composure for the rest of the match. But Beck played some horrible shots, and handed Monfils the victory. Beck lets himself down.

I just hope that Gael doesn't fall apart again today, after securing a brilliant advantage.

Iīm the one stating that there will be no probs for Davy tonight...
And yes I won a lot on Davy against Mathieu, but then again you say iīll learn my lesson later... Then iīll better call Centrebet and beg them to cancel my bet.... :bolt:

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 02:27 PM
Once again, I have formulated an Excel Spreadsheet that includes about 10 different factors for these matches. I have added another factor now that we are in the 2nd Round. The system gives either a PLAY or a NO-PLAY once I have entered all pertaining information. In Cincinnati the spreadsheet is 18-7 and today's games look just as good. I am no longer using heavy favorites UNDER the 1.50 mark because they are not worth the juice.


MISTAFLAVA'S EXCEL SPREADHSEET PICKS


Jose Acasuso 2.51 over Luis Horna (5 Units)

Chucho has been playing well all week and although these two have only ever met on clay court, I still think he can take Horna out in three sets. Both players have played well this week and that means we look at the TB's. Acasuso is 6-3 in TB's this season while Horna is only 5-9. At these odds there is no resisting.


Gael Monfils 1.77 over Mikael Youzhny (20 Units)

Gael is on absolute fire the last few weeks and his confidence has shot through the sky. Youzhny has been on court 4 hours and 18 minutes this week while Monfils is well rested and has been on court only 2 hours and 25 minutes. These odds are too good to resist and I see Gael winning this in two sets. Monfils is 8-2 in Tiebreakers this year while Youzhny is now 6-8 in TB's. Who the hell made these odds? Youzhny is going to be extremely tired for this one.


Good Luck today guys...let's make some big cash!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I like your picks here, though I'm skeptical about Acasuso. He did play very well against Robredo yesterday and stands as one of the tournament's all round best performers after two matches, but can he keep it up? Soon we'll see. I haven't got any money on it, but I hope you're right.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 02:28 PM
How can you call Hewitt a pussy, he is probably the most unpussiest(if that is a word!!!) on the tour, he has won me so much money over the years, becaue of his never die attitude no matter if the match is Wimby final or first round in say Barcelona he gives 110%

Yoel and co.
08-18-2005, 02:29 PM
Juan-Ignacio Chela +5 @ 1.90



Chela @ 1.90 ???? :confused:

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 02:30 PM
yeah nice call since the last match he retired from before last week in Montreal was in 1999 :retard:

He is pussy and you know that :)...
But anyhow, my call is not that he will retire again... My call is that he will lost match. Other story is if my concerning is reasonable or not. Montreal story for now speaks for my side. We will see till the end of this tournament. I will like that I am not right. I mean for retirement, not for pussy conclusion. :)

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 02:31 PM
Iīm the one stating that there will be no probs for Davy tonight...
And yes I won a lot on Davy against Mathieu, but then again you say iīll learn my lesson later... Then iīll better call Centrebet and beg them to cancel my bet.... :bolt:
LOL

I hope you win dude, but Davy's just given me too many excuses to doubt him. To add to that, he's also had injury problems that caused him I think three retirements in the last month and a half alone. Nicolay taught me a valuable lesson: often, what seems obvious, is obviously not.

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 02:32 PM
How can you call Hewitt a pussy, he is probably the most unpussiest(if that is a word!!!) on the tour, he has won me so much money over the years, becaue of his never die attitude no matter if the match is Wimby final or first round in say Barcelona he gives 110%except when he quits.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 02:33 PM
He is pussy and you know that :)...
But anyhow, my call is not that he will retire again... My call is that he will lost match. Other story is if my concerning is reasonable or not. Montreal story for now speaks for my side. We will see till the end of this tournament. I will like that I am not right. I mean for retirement, not for pussy conclusion. :)


ok thanks for the clarification professor

so he is a pussy if he loses to ancic then? is that the reasoning for calling him that in the first place?

i guess this is a sin, but i actually hope hewitt wipes the foor with ancic so i can see u squirm same time tomorrow

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:34 PM
LOL

I hope you win dude, but Davy's just given me too many excuses to doubt him. To add to that, he's also had injury problems that caused him I think three retirements in the last month and a half alone. Nicolay taught me a valuable lesson: often, what seems obvious, is obviously not.

Fair enough man, sometimes you convince yourself about a match, and then nothing can make you change your mind, thatīs how I feel about my friend Davy tonight..... DAVAI

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 02:34 PM
except when he quits.


:retard:

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:35 PM
ok thanks for the clarification professor

so he is a pussy if he loses to ancic then? is that the reasoning for calling him that in the first place?

i guess this is a sin, but i actually hope hewitt wipes the foor with ancic so i can see u squirm same time tomorrow

Where I come from a pussy is a nice thing.... :lick:

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 02:36 PM
Where I come from a pussy is a nice thing.... :lick:


unfortunately in your case you wouldn't know too muich about it now would you? ;)

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:37 PM
unfortunately in your case you wouldn't know too muich about it now would you? ;)

I`m a specialist..... ;)

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 02:38 PM
He is pussy and you know that :)...
But anyhow, my call is not that he will retire again... My call is that he will lost match. Other story is if my concerning is reasonable or not. Montreal story for now speaks for my side. We will see till the end of this tournament. I will like that I am not right. I mean for retirement, not for pussy conclusion. :)


He is a pussy? Are you on fuckin crack? Idiot.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 02:38 PM
What's the deal with your bookie's when a player retire's, refund, no bet, loser????

I like gambling with wiihill for the simple fact if there is a retirement your stake is returned, in my opinion this is fair, i think sometimes you might get some rough outcomes, say if your on a guy who is 6-1 4-1 up and the other guy retires, but you still haven't lost.

It has happened to me a few times when my selection has gone down because of retirment( i.e Haas freak accident at Wimbledon).

What do you think is the best rule???

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 02:39 PM
What's the deal with your bookie's when a player retire's, refund, no bet, loser????

I like gambling with wiihill for the simple fact if there is a retirement your stake is returned, in my opinion this is fair, i think sometimes you might get some rough outcomes, say if your on a guy who is 6-1 4-1 up and the other guy retires, but you still haven't lost.

It has happened to me a few times when my selection has gone down because of retirment( i.e Haas freak accident at Wimbledon).

What do you think is the best rule???
Don't WillHill not allow parlay bets?

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 02:40 PM
What's the deal with your bookie's when a player retire's, refund, no bet, loser????

I like gambling with wiihill for the simple fact if there is a retirement your stake is returned, in my opinion this is fair, i think sometimes you might get some rough outcomes, say if your on a guy who is 6-1 4-1 up and the other guy retires, but you still haven't lost.

It has happened to me a few times when my selection has gone down because of retirment( i.e Haas freak accident at Wimbledon).

What do you think is the best rule???


I prefer the full refund option - for me it has definitely worked to my favour

But obviously if you know a player is carrying an injury into a match, then getting a book which pays after first set is the go

LESAK
08-18-2005, 02:41 PM
What's the deal with your bookie's when a player retire's, refund, no bet, loser????

I like gambling with wiihill for the simple fact if there is a retirement your stake is returned, in my opinion this is fair, i think sometimes you might get some rough outcomes, say if your on a guy who is 6-1 4-1 up and the other guy retires, but you still haven't lost.

It has happened to me a few times when my selection has gone down because of retirment( i.e Haas freak accident at Wimbledon).

What do you think is the best rule???

There should be only one rule: If a player retires bet is cancelled.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 02:42 PM
Don't WillHill not allow parlay bets?

Yes they do, if one is a retirement it moves onto next so if you have treble it's now double it's just wiped.

Alot of Bookie's changed the rules quite recently, Ladbrokes use to have it as soon as first point was played, you won or lost depending on who retired, but majority now do the first set needs to be completed rule.

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 02:49 PM
What's the deal with your bookie's when a player retire's, refund, no bet, loser????

I like gambling with wiihill for the simple fact if there is a retirement your stake is returned, in my opinion this is fair, i think sometimes you might get some rough outcomes, say if your on a guy who is 6-1 4-1 up and the other guy retires, but you still haven't lost.

It has happened to me a few times when my selection has gone down because of retirment( i.e Haas freak accident at Wimbledon).

What do you think is the best rule???


Pinnacle refunds your account and the wager is cancelled if a player retires prior to 2 sets being completed. That's both good and bad.

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 02:56 PM
What's the deal with your bookie's when a player retire's, refund, no bet, loser????

I like gambling with wiihill for the simple fact if there is a retirement your stake is returned, in my opinion this is fair, i think sometimes you might get some rough outcomes, say if your on a guy who is 6-1 4-1 up and the other guy retires, but you still haven't lost.

It has happened to me a few times when my selection has gone down because of retirment( i.e Haas freak accident at Wimbledon).

What do you think is the best rule???

I remember that few years ago Kafelnikov&Co. abuse rule that if player retired and if at least one set had been finished, bet has to be accepted. Also remember that in just few months there were flood of retirements. And logically almost all bookies have changed the rule about retirement.
I don't like if I am playing on 3 and something bet, that bet fail (ok, get back money) because of retirement. I know that if you are betting on the other side, it is fair enough to get stake back... :)

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 02:59 PM
He is a pussy? Are you on fuckin crack? Idiot.
Ask Coria or Nalbandian for opinion... No offense man, but with that stupid picture of Beckam and story about all mighty excel table you sounds me more on crack than me... :)

Yoel and co.
08-18-2005, 03:02 PM
I prefer the full refund option - for me it has definitely worked to my favour

But obviously if you know a player is carrying an injury into a match, then getting a book which pays after first set is the go

I prefer the full refund option too (except when C. Rochus retired at Matchpoint. That was just :mad: :mad: )

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 03:02 PM
Ask Coria or Nalbandian for opinion... No offense man, but with that stupid picture of Beckam and story about all mighty excel table you sounds me more on crack than me... :)


a) The Excel sheet is a strong capping tool

b) David Beckham is the greatest athlete of all time

c) kiss my ass and start making sense

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 03:05 PM
I believe that Ladbrokes still take your money in the circumstances of one of the players retiring, even if after the first point. This is the answer I got no more than a month ago.

Pretty scummy, eh? Then again, what more can be expected?

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 03:07 PM
a) The Excel sheet is a strong capping tool
I agree, so long as it isn't the only capping tool.

b) David Beckham is the greatest athlete of all time
He's certainly an awesome soccer player (at his best).

c) kiss my ass
No thanks ;).

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 03:10 PM
:haha:

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 03:19 PM
a) The Excel sheet is a strong capping tool
Yeap, and my access database with nortwind example is strong database tool... come on...


b) David Beckham is the greatest athlete of all time
Certainly he is! No one except him can kick ball so hard to reach from penalty 25th row in tribune!


c) kiss my ass and start making sense
We should both stop... I agree for this part of making sense... Instead of "kiss my ass" should be "kick my ass"!

Lets try to focus on matches not on this stupid reply conversation

skel1983
08-18-2005, 03:36 PM
no dis respect Mistaflava what ever floats your boat, but i had to chuckle about the mighty excel joke, but to be honest mate i think your last results were 18-7 please correct me if this is wrong it's around 62% if my maths is correct, now that is not that impressive to be honest dude, i mean depending on which matches they were you would be hard making profit with them statistics dude.

marcelwks
08-18-2005, 03:38 PM
Pless tb. Chvojka looking good :p

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 03:43 PM
Next interesting underdog match could be also:
Safin M. v Hrbaty D

Dominator in last few weeks is in form. Yesterday he had 11 aces with 76% on first serve. More important thing is that on second serve he holds also more than 50% per game!
As we all know Safin have had problem with knee and he didn't play since Wimbledon. The question is, if he is capable to play day by day on that level to reach quaterfinal immediately after return...
Interesting is that Dominitor has Safin number and lead h2h 4-2!

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 03:48 PM
Next interesting underdog match could be also:
Safin M. v Hrbaty D

Dominator in last few weeks is in form. Yesterday he had 11 aces with 76% on first serve. More important thing is that on second serve he holds also more than 50% per game!
As we all know Safin have had problem with knee and he didn't play since Wimbledon. The question is, if he is capable to play day by day on that level to reach quaterfinal immediately after return...
Interesting is that Dominitor has Safin number and lead h2h 4-2!
Hrbaty as the dog is a good bet against Safin. The only problem is that the odds have become too short! It's hardly worth it anymore. Ancic is better.

Ale10
08-18-2005, 03:57 PM
Bhupathi/Damm x Black/Stubbs @2.02

George_Hanson
08-18-2005, 03:59 PM
Interesting is that Dominitor has Safin number and lead h2h 4-2!

Interesting is that it's 7-6 actually

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 04:04 PM
no dis respect Mistaflava what ever floats your boat, but i had to chuckle about the mighty excel joke, but to be honest mate i think your last results were 18-7 please correct me if this is wrong it's around 62% if my maths is correct, now that is not that impressive to be honest dude, i mean depending on which matches they were you would be hard making profit with them statistics dude.



I completely agree. I am still working hard at making adjustments. I am now cutting down the matches to only the ones with good odds.

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 04:05 PM
Pless tb. Chvojka looking good :p


yeah no shit. I am praying that Chvojka can pull off the impossible but I doubt it. This is his first ever Challenger event and he is ranked #859 in the world. I still don't know how he beat Sargsian. Nonetheless, go ERIC!!!!!

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 04:08 PM
I completely agree. I am still working hard at making adjustments. I am now cutting down the matches to only the ones with good odds.
Good move. In the long run, betting on overly short and overpriced odds will, for the most part, prove a waste of time.

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 04:11 PM
Good move. In the long run, betting on overly short and overpriced odds will, for the most part, prove a waste of time.


Certainly. Monfils has had good value the last 7-8 matches he has played and I was happy to see this morning that the trend continues with him being at 1.77 today.

dbnumberone
08-18-2005, 04:13 PM
parlay time, 2.5 units on
Safin x Youzhny x Ginepri x Davyd
nice payday if it happens to come off!

srkiknez
08-18-2005, 04:24 PM
Interesting is that it's 7-6 actually
Yeap, you are right:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Safin%2C+Marat&player2=Hrbaty

I have got info from http://tennis.matchstat.com/stats/index.phtml

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Monfils has so much value today. Aside from his 2nd serve numbers, Youzhny has been on the court about 2.15 hours more than Gael and fatigue will set in. Gael has been money in TB's this year and I am pounding this. GL all Youzhny players but I'm on Gael.

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Yeap, you are right:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Safin%2C+Marat&player2=Hrbaty

I have got info from http://tennis.matchstat.com/stats/index.phtml



Hrbaty leads 4-3 on hardcourts...should be a good one even though Dom is down early...

sports freak
08-18-2005, 04:33 PM
Yeah i agree just saw the h2h,like smokin Joe to do some damage!!!!

10 units on Monfils 1.78,Youzhny played and injured bloke!!
10 units on Monfils 1.78/Hewitt 1.26 double!!!
5 units on Acasuso waiting for odds!!!!2.15
2 units on the treble!!!!p.s The DOM is GOOD!!!!

Adding

5 units on Ginepri onver Moya!!
5 units on Davydenko over Gonzlaez!!
2 units on Acasuso over Horna!!

dbnumberone
08-18-2005, 04:33 PM
Fricking I love New Tennis Fan coming over here giving I told you so's & warnings all over the place. That will be a fun game, like yesterday when he hyped Henman to wipe the court with Chela. What an ass, I'd give him a negative rep but this post is all the time I'll ever spend again referring to that smug asshole.

sports freak
08-18-2005, 04:33 PM
Yeah i agree just saw the h2h,like smokin Joe to do some damage!!!!

10 units on Monfils 1.78,Youzhny played and injured bloke!!
10 units on Monfils 1.78/Hewitt 1.26 double!!!
5 units on Acasuso waiting for odds!!!!2.15
2 units on the treble!!!!p.s The DOM is GOOD!!!!

Adding

5 units on Ginepri onver Moya!!
5 units on Davydenko over Gonzlaez!!
2 units on parlay Davy/Ginepri

skel1983
08-18-2005, 04:37 PM
DAVYDENKO IS BEING BACKED OFF THE BOARD???

anyone got any inside info, what's the h2h???

I thought it was aganuine 50/50 game but people are seeing something i am not.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 04:43 PM
Hrbaty backers not looking too good, thank god i stcuk to my NEVER BACK FOR OR AGAINST SAFIN THEORY!!!

Safin leads 6-0 1-0!!!

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 04:45 PM
How can you call Hewitt a pussy, he is probably the most unpussiest(if that is a word!!!)

yes, that is a word.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 04:50 PM
yes, that is a word.


Thank you for the confirmation.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 04:50 PM
Ask Coria or Nalbandian for opinion... No offense man, but with that stupid picture of Beckam and story about all mighty excel table you sounds me more on crack than me... :)
:lol:

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 05:01 PM
Interesting is that it's 7-6 actually

I make it 7-7.

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=10014534&opponent=10009922

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 05:06 PM
Fricking I love New Tennis Fan coming over here giving I told you so's & warnings all over the place. That will be a fun game, like yesterday when he hyped Henman to wipe the court with Chela. What an ass, I'd give him a negative rep but this post is all the time I'll ever spend again referring to that smug asshole.
At least I'll admit to being wrong.

I thought Henman would defeat Chela fairly easily. Turned out Henman was struggling with an injury and just couldn't play. So yeah, I was wrong. I am human after all, and while an evidently superior one to yourself, I nevertheless can still make mistakes ;).

I didn't bet on Henman anyway, so it's all good for me. Just like I didn't bet on Hrbaty today ;). Even though he's getting his ass handed to him, it was still good for an underdog bet, from prematch perspective. Oh, hold on a moment...didn't I suggest NOT betting on Hrbaty? Hmm.

You can give me as much negative rep as you like. If it makes you feel better after losing all the money you do each week, then great! It's always good to find a way to drown in your sorrows. You ostentatious, presumptuous piece of excrement ;).

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 05:13 PM
Marat struggling to close this one out. He's been a break up in the 2nd set twice, but its back on serve.

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 05:20 PM
Safin wins 6-0 6-3.

Amazing, Dominator only held serve once the entire match.

:eek:

Mistaflava
08-18-2005, 05:49 PM
Dominator with his usual (win 2 rounds and go home) attitude...

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 06:00 PM
Oh well. What a pity for poor old Dominik. With the decent chalk odds on Safin, those who backed him figure to have done pretty well! Congrats to y'all.

Now it's time to see if Mario can be the winning dog. No bet on it, but go Ancic!

Ale10
08-18-2005, 06:14 PM
Bhupathi/Damm x Black/Stubbs @2.02

Bhupathi/Damm 3-6, 6-3, 6-2
Black/Stubbs 6-2, 4-6, 6-3

Ale10
08-18-2005, 07:31 PM
Paes/Zimonjic x SEA Storm @1.80

Bolar Bolabi
08-18-2005, 08:41 PM
Safin wins 6-0 6-3.

Amazing, Dominator only held serve once the entire match.

:eek:

See my signature. It's right! I didn't back him. Perhaps blacklist him to save yourself money.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 09:09 PM
He is pussy and you know that :)...
But anyhow, my call is not that he will retire again... My call is that he will lost match. Other story is if my concerning is reasonable or not. Montreal story for now speaks for my side. We will see till the end of this tournament. I will like that I am not right. I mean for retirement, not for pussy conclusion. :)


thanks for the laughs jackass

and do me a favour and never come back, you just look like more of an idiot

good day


pussy :haha:

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 10:17 PM
HUGE congratulations to Hewitt and Safin. They really performed like we know they can today, and if they can keep it up, we're in for some great action for the remainder of this tournament.

Poor Monfils just burnt out. Poor judgment on my behalf for not spotting that as a possibility. Big congratulations to Youzhny, and let's hope he can cause some real trouble for the chalks in the quaters.

bad gambler
08-18-2005, 10:20 PM
yep misha caught me out as well, he must have played really well the final two sets

hoping the ukrainian can now beat gonzo to make it a decent day

The Gucci one
08-18-2005, 10:20 PM
He is pussy and you know that :)...
But anyhow, my call is not that he will retire again... My call is that he will lost match. Other story is if my concerning is reasonable or not. Montreal story for now speaks for my side. We will see till the end of this tournament. I will like that I am not right. I mean for retirement, not for pussy conclusion. :)

Severe lack of judgement here on all accounts.

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 10:35 PM
Severe lack of judgement here on all accounts.
I agree. Hewitt's a fighter. Everybody quits sometimes, but in Hewitt's case it's a hell of a lot less than most others. Calling his likes a "pussy" is practically tennis blasphemy.

LESAK
08-18-2005, 10:44 PM
I love Davydenko!!!!!! Payday!!!!!!

dbnumberone
08-18-2005, 11:08 PM
parlay time, 2.5 units on
Safin x Youzhny x Ginepri x Davyd
nice payday if it happens to come off!

POW, plus 25 units, tyvm
I'm putting 12.5 of those on Horna

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 11:30 PM
POW, plus 25 units, tyvm
I'm putting 12.5 of those on Horna
Manage your money like that, and it'll come back to bite you on the ass. Even if you get away with it this time round.

dbnumberone
08-19-2005, 12:11 AM
switching it to 8.5 on horna, plus 16.5 for the day no matter what, gl all

dbnumberone
08-19-2005, 12:19 AM
I think probably the best bets of the day are Monfils over Youzhny and Ginepri over Moya.

Other ones worth looking into are Ancic over Hewitt and Hrbaty over Safin. One of these I think is likely to end in an upset.

thanks for the advice, but between Henman yesterday and this genius stuff, I think I'll manage on my own - even though I'm sure you didn't bet on any of these guys

NewTennisFan
08-19-2005, 12:21 AM
switching it to 8.5 on horna, plus 16.5 for the day no matter what, gl all
Glad to see something was taken to heart ;).

No but seriously, let me ask: does your sportsbook allow you to cancel a bet before the match begins? I'm interested to find if there are any that allow this.

dbnumberone
08-19-2005, 12:21 AM
and that's the gambling lounge equivalent of a dunk in the face - you're going to be on my poster NTF!

dbnumberone
08-19-2005, 12:21 AM
peace out

dbnumberone
08-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Glad to see something was taken to heart ;).

No but seriously, let me ask: does your sportsbook allow you to cancel a bet before the match begins? I'm interested to find if there are any that allow this.

no, I was waiting for the parlay to settle

NewTennisFan
08-19-2005, 12:34 AM
thanks for the advice, but between Henman yesterday and this genius stuff, I think I'll manage on my own - even though I'm sure you didn't bet on any of these guys
Yo, like I said, I never bet on Henman. I just thought, based on his last performance, he figured to play better than Chela. And yeah, I was wrong! You may not have read my response in the Wednesday thread, but I'll say it now just to be clear: betting on Tim Henman comes under my legal definition of attempted suicide. I wouldn't do it, even if he were playing somebody below the 400 mark in the ATP Race.

Now, regarding Ancic and Hrbaty, to reiterate, I never said they'd win. I just said that both were worth looking into, since based on what we've seen of Hewitt and Safin, an upset could well occur. In the end, it didn't, and again, I didn't bet on either, but if I were back in the same position, I'd state again without any reservations that "Ancic is good value against Hewitt".

About Monfils and Ginepri, I said simply that they were probably the best bets of the day, value-wise. Some of the others were over priced. Not sure what point you were attempting to make.

Had I been making picks and laying big bets, you might have something to poke fun at. Until that moment arrives, I suggest you avoid this rollercoaster spree of self-embarrassment - another thing that, alongside my money management advice (o Sir Incremental Bettor), I hope you take to heart ;). Farewell.

bad gambler
08-19-2005, 12:34 AM
I'm on the Monfils bandwagon, seems to playing with a lot of confidence recently:

Parlay:

Monfils x Vaidisova = $2.00 (6 units)

Petrova x Mauresmo x Davydenko = $2.46 (4 units)

Single:

Ginepri to beat Moya = $2.00 (5 units)

Laying a bit there, but that should see ensure I'm not fully bored whilst I recover from my jetlag later tonight :)


got tricked into the monfils badnwagon

but not a bad day, now to pound some WNBA !!

NewTennisFan
08-19-2005, 12:38 AM
got tricked into the monfils badnwagon

but not a bad day, now to pound some WNBA !!
We all neglected something crucial: Monfils, being young and still relatively inexperienced in these types of settings, is bound to burn out sooner or later. He showed signs of this after blowing a 5-2 lead in the second set against Karol Beck, having totally fallen to pieces. I watched the match, right up until Beck out of nowhere choked on 4 set points, and yet, I took no lesson from it. This is a learning experience. I'll be sure not to fall into that trap again.

NewTennisFan
08-19-2005, 12:59 AM
switching it to 8.5 on horna, plus 16.5 for the day no matter what, gl all
Yo, just like to say, firstly, congratulations on the parlay win. Hopefully that earnt you a fair bit.

Now, with that part out of the way, listen carefully: GO AND SPEND THE MONEY! ENJOY THE MONEY! Because gambling incrementally, immediately re-risking 30% of your winnings, you better bet your ass that eventually you'll end up with nothing at all, even if you escape a few times...even if you escape this time around.

You've had a good day! No need to risk having that goodness halved by your touts-funding sportsbook. Spend the money!

Remember the wise words spoken by one of the former writers of Hee Haw: "the population of bad handicappers in Tap City is dwarfed by the population of bad money managers."

The Gucci one
08-19-2005, 02:29 AM
Announcement: Luis Horna is the founding member of my betting blacklist. For the second week in a row he has cost me a bet. Last week against Puerta and today against Acasuso. This guy has the game but does not use his brain. Today again he was hitting Acasuso's 2nd serve into the net or wildly swinging and hitting balls 10 metres over the baseline.



BLACKLIST: Luis Horna :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

Effka
08-19-2005, 02:35 AM
Great news guys. I started gambling yesterday and i don't suck :devil:

Today's bet:

Mauresmo - Martinez 1@1.10
Henin - Zheng 1@1.06
Clijsters - Ivanovic 1@1.15
Federer - Rochus 1@1.05
Roddick - Chela 1@1.20

so far only hot favourites, but...

Moya - Ginepri 2@2
Horna - Acasuso 2@1.9


That makes 6.42 stake and i'm filthy rich right now ;)

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 03:19 AM
HUGE congratulations to Hewitt and Safin. They really performed like we know they can today, and if they can keep it up, we're in for some great action for the remainder of this tournament.

Poor Monfils just burnt out. Poor judgment on my behalf for not spotting that as a possibility. Big congratulations to Youzhny, and let's hope he can cause some real trouble for the chalks in the quaters.

Hewitt didn't do anything special, Ancic was simply deplorable.

Even Burgsmuller would've had a shot at beating him.

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 03:23 AM
Glad to see something was taken to heart ;).

No but seriously, let me ask: does your sportsbook allow you to cancel a bet before the match begins? I'm interested to find if there are any that allow this.

on betfair, you can't cancel, but you can sell the bet off.

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 03:27 AM
Great news guys. I started gambling yesterday and i don't suck :devil:

Today's bet:

Mauresmo - Martinez 1@1.10
Henin - Zheng 1@1.06
Clijsters - Ivanovic 1@1.15
Federer - Rochus 1@1.05
Roddick - Chela 1@1.20

so far only hot favourites, but...

Moya - Ginepri 2@2
Horna - Acasuso 2@1.9


That makes 6.42 stake and i'm filthy rich right now ;)

I make it -3.44?? :confused:

sports freak
08-19-2005, 06:20 AM
Yo, like I said, I never bet on Henman. I just thought, based on his last performance, he figured to play better than Chela. And yeah, I was wrong! You may not have read my response in the Wednesday thread, but I'll say it now just to be clear: betting on Tim Henman comes under my legal definition of attempted suicide. I wouldn't do it, even if he were playing somebody below the 400 mark in the ATP Race.

Now, regarding Ancic and Hrbaty, to reiterate, I never said they'd win. I just said that both were worth looking into, since based on what we've seen of Hewitt and Safin, an upset could well occur. In the end, it didn't, and again, I didn't bet on either, but if I were back in the same position, I'd state again without any reservations that "Ancic is good value against Hewitt".

About Monfils and Ginepri, I said simply that they were probably the best bets of the day, value-wise. Some of the others were over priced. Not sure what point you were attempting to make.

Had I been making picks and laying big bets, you might have something to poke fun at. Until that moment arrives, I suggest you avoid this rollercoaster spree of self-embarrassment - another thing that, alongside my money management advice (o Sir Incremental Bettor), I hope you take to heart ;). Farewell.

Bro im getting sick of you dude,mr Know it all and never lose!!!!!put your month is for once and post some winners n prove ur god damn superiority that u think you have over every Tom Dick n Harry!!!!

sports freak
08-19-2005, 06:34 AM
Adding

5 units on Ginepri onver Moya!!
5 units on Davydenko over Gonzlaez!!
2 units on parlay Davy/Ginepri

Ginepri/Davy/Acasuso bloody champions!!!! :yeah:
Monfils cost me bg time wit a couple of 10 unit plays but the 5 units each on the 3 others,Acasuso was in the other thread at 2.15 and a parlay made up for most of what looked to be another horror day!!peace

Deivid23
08-19-2005, 07:05 AM
no dis respect Mistaflava what ever floats your boat, but i had to chuckle about the mighty excel joke, but to be honest mate i think your last results were 18-7 please correct me if this is wrong it's around 62% if my maths is correct, now that is not that impressive to be honest dude, i mean depending on which matches they were you would be hard making profit with them statistics dude.

Correct, the clown includes Federer 1.05 or Roddick 1.06 as some of his 18-7 excel plays :lol:

Yoel and co.
08-19-2005, 07:14 AM
Louis :sad: :sad:

NewTennisFan
08-19-2005, 07:50 AM
Bro im getting sick of you dude,mr Know it all and never lose!!!!!put your month is for once and post some winners n prove ur god damn superiority that u think you have over every Tom Dick n Harry!!!!
You really don't get it, do you?

I'm NOT the one claiming to be this great tennis handicapper! Look at my name for heaven's sake: New... Tennis... Fan... Get it?

There's nothing WRONG with placing bets on Luis Horna to beat Acasuso! There's nothing WRONG with placing bets on Robredo to do the same. I'm not attacking anybody's handicapping skills, here! See, what I'm attacking, is INCREMENTAL BETTING. I'm attacking bad money management. I'm attacking the psychological disposition that such and such a bet is a "safe" bet. I'm attacking the kind of things that eventually would make the lot of us go broke, even if we found ourselves temporarily doing well.

Here's the bottom line: 1% of your bankroll on Robredo, GOOD! 90% of your monthly paycheck, BAD!

Most gamblers, if they took all of their past records and added them up, would find that overall they hadn't even broke even. If this weren't the case, there'd simply be no such thing as sports betting, as the sportsbooks would be in constant deficit. What we have to ask ourselves is why are these gamblers failing to even make a 1% profit in the LONG haul? The answer is NOT because they are bad at calling winners (in most cases), but simply because they have no idea how to manage their cash.

Action Jackson
08-19-2005, 07:57 AM
Correct, the clown includes Federer 1.05 or Roddick 1.06 as some of his 18-7 excel plays :lol:

He smokes some quality drugs.

sports freak
08-19-2005, 08:43 AM
You really don't get it, do you?

I'm NOT the one claiming to be this great tennis handicapper! Look at my name for heaven's sake: New... Tennis... Fan... Get it?

There's nothing WRONG with placing bets on Luis Horna to beat Acasuso! There's nothing WRONG with placing bets on Robredo to do the same. I'm not attacking anybody's handicapping skills, here! See, what I'm attacking, is INCREMENTAL BETTING. I'm attacking bad money management. I'm attacking the psychological disposition that such and such a bet is a "safe" bet. I'm attacking the kind of things that eventually would make the lot of us go broke, even if we found ourselves temporarily doing well.

Here's the bottom line: 1% of your bankroll on Robredo, GOOD! 90% of your monthly paycheck, BAD!

Most gamblers, if they took all of their past records and added them up, would find that overall they hadn't even broke even. If this weren't the case, there'd simply be no such thing as sports betting, as the sportsbooks would be in constant deficit. What we have to ask ourselves is why are these gamblers failing to even make a 1% profit in the LONG haul? The answer is NOT because they are bad at calling winners (in most cases), but simply because they have no idea how to manage their cash.

Mate its all good,some of ur info is helpful and i do appreciate it!!! ;)

skel1983
08-19-2005, 09:17 AM
except when he quits.


He has retired 2 times in over 530 matches!!!!!

Deivid23
08-19-2005, 12:55 PM
He smokes some quality drugs.

Must be that, the bad (and dangerous for their wallets) thing for him and all the clones in here is that these people really think they have a clue about tennis betting

skel1983
08-19-2005, 01:12 PM
Must be that, the bad (and dangerous for their wallets) thing for him and all the clones in here is that these people really think they have a clue about tennis betting

clones???

Deivid23
08-19-2005, 01:16 PM
clones???

Yes, clones that act like if they were the people to count on when it comes to betting or they knew sth when they donīt have too much of a clue. Its.like.that can perfectly fit in here, for instance :wavey:

PD: The guy in question still thinks Berdychīs best surface is clay :lol:

skel1983
08-19-2005, 01:18 PM
Yes, clones that act like if they were the people to count on when betting or they knew sth when they donīt have too much of a clue. Its.like.that can perfectly fit in here, for instance :wavey:

I see what you mean.

Ale10
08-19-2005, 02:05 PM
Paes/Zimonjic x SEA Storm @1.80

Paes/Zimonjic 6-4, 7-6(3)
SEA Storm 76-60


Money cashed in easily. :)

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 02:36 PM
Yes, clones that act like if they were the people to count on when it comes to betting or they knew sth when they donīt have too much of a clue. Its.like.that can perfectly fit in here, for instance :wavey:

PD: The guy in question still thinks Berdychīs best surface is clay :lol:

:lol: to date, Tomas's best results have come on the surface, thats all I ever said - Tomas has performed best on clay.

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 02:37 PM
and by the way Deivid, I have a much better betting record than you.

This whole beef between us started, when I said that you were a moron for thinking that Verdasco will beat Mayer at Wimbledon... and who was right?

;)

skel1983
08-19-2005, 02:49 PM
he was a moran for getting a tennis result wrong no one does that do they!!!

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 03:00 PM
he was a moran for getting a tennis result wrong no one does that do they!!!

would you back England to win the Ashes at 1.20?

it's a stupid bet, whether it wins or loses.

skel1983
08-19-2005, 03:08 PM
Somehow i doubt verdasco v Mayer was 1.20 for Verdasco.

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 03:12 PM
Somehow i doubt verdasco v Mayer was 1.20 for Verdasco.

Of course he was. Verdasco is a natural grasscourter.

Deivid23
08-19-2005, 03:51 PM
and by the way Deivid, I have a much better betting record than you.

This whole beef between us started, when I said that you were a moron for thinking that Verdasco will beat Mayer at Wimbledon... and who was right?

;)

Yes Iīm sure you have a much better record than me and that you earn much more money than me on betting. I donīt have a clue about your record, I donīt check other peopleīs tips concerning ATP tennis and of course I wouldnīt even imagine myself checking any tips from you cause they canīt be useful from what Iīve read from you just in the scoring threads. Things go fine for me in all aspects concerning betting, but if that makes you happier, ok you are a much better capper than me, itīs easy with such a good knowledge about the players, Mr. "Verdasco&Berdych are claycourters and Mayer a grass specialist" :lol:

And yes, that day I bet on Verdasco to win Mayer and I lost money, you were right, though your reasoning was hilarious cause you backed that on the fact that Verdasco was a claycourter and Mayer a grass specialist... :rolleyes: But hey, that can perfectly give you a right to believe you r much better than me. ;)

As I said many times, youīre just a kid who tries to make people think youīre playing with the big guys, in other words, as always, youīre a typical little grasshopper. :)

OzinLondon
08-19-2005, 03:59 PM
I've been reading this section for a while and posting occasionally and have to come to the conclusion that its.like.that, you are either going through that time of the month or are a dickhead. Which as an Australian is a shame.

So shut up sunshine.

Deivid23
08-19-2005, 04:13 PM
I've been reading this section for a while and posting occasionally and have to come to the conclusion that its.like.that, you are either going through that time of the month or are a dickhead. Which as an Australian is a shame.

So shut up sunshine.

:yeah:

sports freak
08-19-2005, 04:30 PM
CAN WE JUST STICK WITH FREAKIN TENNIS GAMLBING PICKS ON THIS THREAD...............WE HAVE 5 PAGES WORTH HERE AND ONLY 1 PAGE IS RELATED TO TODAY'S TOPIC......

FREAKIN GRANVILLE NEEDED TO HOLD ONE MORE GAME AND SHE PISSED AWAY MY PARLAY LAST NIGHT :)

K, LET'S GO WITH KUZZY OVER DULKO EARLY ON.....(BIG PLAY) :p

Somebody snap me out of it,for the first time im agreeing wit ya :rolleyes:

:worship: :worship: Leave this place for Tennis Pics only!!!wanna gossip go on
msn!!!!

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Yes Iīm sure you have a much better record than me and that you earn much more money than me on betting. I donīt have a clue about your record, I donīt check other peopleīs tips concerning ATP tennis and of course I wouldnīt even imagine myself checking any tips from you cause they canīt be useful from what Iīve read from you just in the scoring threads. Things go fine for me in all aspects concerning betting, but if that makes you happier, ok you are a much better capper than me, itīs easy with such a good knowledge about the players, Mr. "Verdasco&Berdych are claycourters and Mayer a grass specialist" :lol:

And yes, that day I bet on Verdasco to win Mayer and I lost money, you were right, though your reasoning was hilarious cause you backed that on the fact that Verdasco was a claycourter and Mayer a grass specialist... :rolleyes: But hey, that can perfectly give you a right to believe you r much better than me. ;)

As I said many times, youīre just a kid who tries to make people think youīre playing with the big guys, in other words, as always, youīre a typical little grasshopper. :)

lol... why is it that so many people on here take everything I say so literally?

I shall explain a few things for you.

1. when I say that I'm putting my bank on someone, it doesn't mean I'm putting every penny I have on them, but it might suggest that I will place a large wager on them, or I might be in fact joking around...

2. as I have just illustrated, my posts can be superfluous :lol:, whether it be for a particular purpose, or simply to seek out some form of comic reaction - from people such as you. :kiss:

3. well mr jotabe, if you chose to disregard my tipping on here, then simply head over to the betfair forums, and take a peak at who is leading the tipping competition on there.

4. nice Hrbaty tip yesterday, he won many games :haha:.

5. you are the same class arse clown as skel and newtennisfan. if you want people on here to think you are any good, then how about you post your tips on here as well as Covers so we can all see just how useless your tips are. Instead all you do is talk :bs: about how much you know about tennis, all the players you know, and so on.

6. I still don't understand the grasshopper connotation, but in any case, you can now be known as the dung beetle.

:)

have a good day, and good luck with your bets.

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 05:19 PM
I've been reading this section for a while and posting occasionally and have to come to the conclusion that its.like.that, you are either going through that time of the month or are a dickhead. Which as an Australian is a shame.

So shut up sunshine.

Very eloquently put - solid reasoning and thorough explanation.

The nation should be mourning over losing a sharp mind such as yourself to the land of skel, of all places.

Oh, and by the way, who are you?

:lol:

Deivid23
08-19-2005, 05:34 PM
So you know me from other forums, congrats, I only know you as "the little grasshopper" ;).

I donīt bother to post here to show anyone who good or bad I am. People who know me and have followed me can express their opinion, I donīt have to back myself saying I know a lot about tennis capping. If you think I suck itīs ok, but then why bother to read my picks? :shrug:

About your posts, I agree they shouldnīt be taken seriously, here weīre starting to understand ourselves ;)

And finally, yes, Hrbaty was a bad pick from mine and I knew he could have one day of those, as I said earlier and finally was that way. Anyway, you should have been more fair and should have done the complete math about my picks yesterday. A ROI of 41.3% on the day is not a bad thing, is it? Though I admit itīs a bit low compared to the 97.25% on 26 picks so far this tourney ;)


Keep jumping...

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 05:40 PM
So you know me from other forums, congrats, I only know you as "the little grasshopper" ;).

I donīt bother to post here to show anyone who good or bad I am. People who know me and have followed me can express their opinion, I donīt have to back myself saying I know a lot about tennis capping. If you think I suck itīs ok, but then why bother to read my picks? :shrug:

About your posts, I agree they shouldnīt be taken seriously, here weīre starting to understand ourselves ;)

And finally, yes, Hrbaty was a bad pick from mine and I knew he could have one day of those, as I said earlier and finally was that way. Anyway, you should have been more fair and should have done the complete math about my picks yesterday. A ROI of 41.3% on the day is not a bad thing, is it? Though I admit itīs a bit low compared to the 97.25% on 26 picks so far this tourney ;)


Keep jumping...

well mr dung beetle, you certainly do churn a lot of shit, that's for sure.

if you're not backing yourself, then why include those lovely meaningless figures down the bottom of your post? :lol:

also, I never said my posts aren't to be taken seriously ;).

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 05:44 PM
If you think I suck itīs ok, but then why bother to read my picks? :shrug:

you make too many assumptions.

its.like.that
08-19-2005, 06:07 PM
and Deivid, you are yet to respond to one of my posts in this thread:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=49372&page=1&pp=40

:wavey: