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Cincy Wednesday

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:29 AM
Sticking to the theme of thread titles for this week... but time for me to start posting tips again.


Nalbandian over Gonzo @ 1.60 - Gonzo = Bandy's panda, look at the 7-1 h-h record - http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=30015743&opponent=10016545

Ginepri over Ferrer @ 1.70 - if Robbie can beat Roddick, he can beat everyone, but Roger :lol:.

More later, when all the lines are up.

bad gambler
08-17-2005, 06:35 AM
One play so far:

Headcase Nalbandian to beat Speedy Gonzalez - $1.60 (5 units)

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 06:43 AM
Willhill again offering too little right now...

I'm going to put one unit on JCF to beat Roddick @ 3.50. They have only met once (in the US Open finals) where the duck won, but that was when the duck was (briefly) the best player in the world. I think JCF is starting to get his old form back, while duck is having difficulties vs top players.

Will also parlay JCF X Rochus X Dulko

Added Rochus X N.Ireland X Cyprus ;)

g35-great
08-17-2005, 08:03 AM
only one bet so far for me... oliver rochus @ 1.57 :) then i will jump back to soccer until next weeks first round on monday ;)

PS:- soccer world cup qualifying and few good international games are on today... just a reminder for those intrested

skel1983
08-17-2005, 08:43 AM
Please don't post tips its.like.that, because you don't actully know much about tennis or maybe it's your judgement that is clouded (i.e Murray) for some reason you dislike him, why i ask????

Personally i couldn't give a s*** if i liked a guy or not when it comes to gambling, but he looks like splinter from The Turtles, AND???? If you did know anything about tennis you would respect the performance by Murray. which you described as LUCKY??????

I actully had Dent in a multiple bet, but Murray outplayed the guy from start to finish and played the big points so well. So like i say if you watched that game and thought he really was lucky, i would prefer you to keep your tips to yourselve because you obviously see tennis in a different light than most, as many would probably agree, because that performance was so far from being lucky!!!!! get real my friend.

skel1983
08-17-2005, 08:46 AM
I don't think there is much chance of JCF beating Roddick, good luck all the same, but from all i have seen it will be very comfortable for the ARod.

My selections would be

Beck to beat Monfils
Henman to beat Chela
Ginepri to beat Ferrer
Berdych to beat Youzhny
Roddick to beat Ferrero

I think bet of the day has to be Beck at 2.0 , Monfils talented youngster but it was more Stepanek losing the game rather than him winning it in the 1st round, and Beck is in great form.

g35-great
08-17-2005, 08:51 AM
Please don't post tips its.like.that, because you don't actully know much about tennis or maybe it's your judgement that is clouded (i.e Murray) for some reason you dislike him, why i ask????

Personally i couldn't give a s*** if i liked a guy or not when it comes to gambling, but he looks like splinter from The Turtles, AND???? If you did know anything about tennis you would respect the performance by Murray. which you described as LUCKY??????

I actully had Dent in a multiple bet, but Murray outplayed the guy from start to finish and played the big points so well. So like i say if you watched that game and thought he really was lucky, i would prefer you to keep your tips to yourselve because you obviously see tennis in a different light than most, as many would probably agree, because that performance was so far from being lucky!!!!! get real my friend.


British version of Sports Freak when he first joined the forum :rolleyes: (kidding ;) )

skel1983
08-17-2005, 09:01 AM
I don't mean to be rude, but it really rubs me up the wrong way when people can't respect a great performance and have to make excuses. If the better man win's hat off to him who ever he is!!!!

The Gucci one
08-17-2005, 09:04 AM
Fair enough mate but I'd take its like thats tipping advice before considering yours.

g35-great
08-17-2005, 09:07 AM
I don't mean to be rude, but it really rubs me up the wrong way when people can't respect a great performance and have to make excuses. If the better man win's hat off to him who ever he is!!!!

I understand what u mean... yesterday everyone who dint bet on PHM wanted him to loose purposly.. when i asked one of them why he wanted PHM to loose (although he dint have money on that match) he said, PHM cost him a lot of loss last week :) there are plenty of reasons for people to not to like some players ... Lot of people hate andy roddick... many hated nadal after his win in roland garros...why???? everyone will give a different reason....u cant do nothing about it... just move on :)

g35-great
08-17-2005, 09:13 AM
Fair enough mate but I'd take its like thats tipping advice before considering yours.

True :) i always stand by its.like.that, BG, Swisha and my little brother from another mother Nimmy :worship:

skel1983
08-17-2005, 09:21 AM
I understand that he has been here a lot longer than me and is respected for his tips, but i will guarantee you won't go far wrong with my advice, i will gain that respect i have only been on the gamblers lounge a couple of weeks.

Murray over Dent @2.70
Moodie over Ferrer @2.04
Simon over Spadea @2.26
Tursunov over Rusedski @2.66
Berdych over Nadal @8.00

The guy is too arrogent you can follow him all you want but i haven't seen anything impressive from him, his reply to this posted by another person was,

all will loose ( how wrong he was)

Obviously people will get predictions wrong, but i back up my predictions and tips.

g35-great
08-17-2005, 09:29 AM
I understand that he has been here a lot longer than me and is respected for his tips, but i will guarantee you won't go far wrong with my advice, i will gain that respect i have only been on the gamblers lounge a couple of weeks.

Murray over Dent @2.70
Moodie over Ferrer @2.04
Simon over Spadea @2.26
Tursunov over Rusedski @2.66
Berdych over Nadal @8.00

The guy is too arrogent you can follow him all you want but i haven't seen anything impressive from him, his reply to this posted by another person was,

all will loose ( how wrong he was)

Obviously people will get predictions wrong, but i back up my predictions and tips.

that was a sarcastic joke my friend... u took it seriously... i was trashed the same way when i came here with my soccer picks.. but once u become good i will be the first one to :worship: you... now lets stop this argument and get on with tennis :hug:

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 09:32 AM
True :) i always stand by its.like.that, BG, Swisha and my little brother from another mother Nimmy :worship:

You forgot me.

skel1983
08-17-2005, 09:33 AM
fair enough my freind!!!

Lets make some $$$$$$

skel1983
08-17-2005, 09:38 AM
Going off yesterday's predictions i can understand you were not on that list!!!

only joking my friend!!

Haas was fairly unlucky with the rain before that he maybe have been the slight fav, but coming back serving at 15-30 alot of pressure on him, i just felt the big points PHM would play better with the amount of tennis he has played recently, but if both were healthy playing there best tennis i would favour your man Tommy.

I also agree PHM had difficulties with Haas style with the slice backhand, he couldn't put him away, but one thing that irratated me with PHM was he would hit the big forehand and just stay back and wait for the slice back he would have so much more joy if he came in and put the floating ball away.

Unlucky hope you have better luck today!!!

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 09:48 AM
Going off yesterday's predictions i can understand you were not on that list!!!

only joking my friend!!

Haas was fairly unlucky with the rain before that he maybe have been the slight fav, but coming back serving at 15-30 alot of pressure on him, i just felt the big points PHM would play better with the amount of tennis he has played recently, but if both were healthy playing there best tennis i would favour your man Tommy.

I also agree PHM had difficulties with Haas style with the slice backhand, he couldn't put him away, but one thing that irratated me with PHM was he would hit the big forehand and just stay back and wait for the slice back he would have so much more joy if he came in and put the floating ball away.

Unlucky hope you have better luck today!!!

Cheers! I was on fire last week. Havn't hit my form this week. I didn't lay a bet last night though, I went to sleep earlier than usual and didn't wake up and missed it all. But I'm here tonight ready to make money.

Yeah, the rain delay could be a factor, but also another factor is that he is still coming back from injury. A 3 setter last night with a rain delay will help him in terms of game fitness.

Looks like you hit it hard last night, well done.

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 09:59 AM
You're getting hammered, its.like.that! ;)

skel1983
08-17-2005, 10:12 AM
Anyone see the ferrer v moddie game, i just looked up the stats i cant believe my eyes, second set Moodie hit 71% fisrt serves in and only won 37%!!!!! WOW how is that possible with his serve, Does anyone know how Ferrer played???

I don't think it will put me off Ginepri because he really looked good last night looked more focused than ever, i think his crosscourt forehand will have ferrer in a spin, also his serve is very underestimated 22 aces last night!!!

Eustache
08-17-2005, 10:44 AM
nobody on gasquet @1,6 versus out-of form ancic?

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 10:58 AM
Yes - I have added a parlay of Richie X Safin X Ivanovic @ 2.6

AceMaan
08-17-2005, 10:58 AM
managed to convince my boss for a salary advance.....and doing the following

1) Kiefer to beat Federer @9.00.............($300)
2) Hewitt x Monfils x Gasquet @3.50................($700)

.........if lose both of these........i really have to join some sort of an anti-addiction program............to buy time until i get my year end bonus

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 11:02 AM
managed to convince my boss for a salary advance.....and doing the following

1) Kiefer to beat Federer @9.00.............($300)
2) Hewitt x Monfils x Gasquet @3.50................($700)

.........if lose both of these........i really have to join some sort of an anti-addiction program............to buy time until i get my year end bonus

No offence mate but Federer won't lose to Kiefer and Monfils will let your parlay down and I think that Ancic will get over the top of Gasquet tonight. Gasquet didn't look that good last week. Well, neither did Ancic but I like Ancic tonight.

For your sake I hope I'm wrong, which this week is a very high probability and good luck with your bets.

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 11:05 AM
managed to convince my boss for a salary advance.....and doing the following

1) Kiefer to beat Federer @9.00.............($300)
2) Hewitt x Monfils x Gasquet @3.50................($700)

.........if lose both of these........i really have to join some sort of an anti-addiction program............to buy time until i get my year end bonus

No offense mate, but if you are in the state of convincing your boss to give you money only to spend it on gambling, you need to join some sort of an anti-addiction program NOW

AceMaan
08-17-2005, 11:05 AM
just browsed throgh the thread......appears to be some kind of mini feud going on.................like to add my two cents...................tips are just a matter of opinion and based on personal experiences of tipsters.................and also odds...........take for example...............if odds for pigs to fly was 2.00 to 1.00 then it would be foolinsh to place a bet on it, however if they were offering like 100000 to 1 ..............then a small punt would be ok................

AceMaan
08-17-2005, 11:09 AM
No offence mate but Federer won't lose to Kiefer and Monfils will let your parlay down and I think that Ancic will get over the top of Gasquet tonight. Gasquet didn't look that good last week. Well, neither did Ancic but I like Ancic tonight.

For your sake I hope I'm wrong, which this week is a very high probability and good luck with your bets.

Kiefer took one set of Federer in Wimbledon and was on serving to bring the set to a rubber...............so based on this given Federer's lacked of match practice....Kiefer odds should be more like 3.50

Eustache
08-17-2005, 11:09 AM
I'm sorry but without the referee error on gasquet when he was serving for set and just before the rain delay,the match was very different against grosjean.He had saved any break point and was very present on the court.
After that, a game between two players in same nationality is very special especially in france and also because Richard and seb are the top 1 and top 2 seed in france.

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 11:09 AM
I agree that tips are a matter of opinion and I hope for your sake that your opinion agrees with you.

AceMaan
08-17-2005, 11:10 AM
No offense mate, but if you are in the state of convincing your boss to give you money only to spend it on gambling, you need to join some sort of an anti-addiction program NOW

thanks a lot for your concern!.............i hope i win today so that i do not have to consider that.................!!!

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 11:10 AM
Kiefer took one set of Federer in Wimbledon and was on serving to bring the set to a rubber...............so based on this given Federer's lacked of match practice....Kiefer odds should be more like 3.50

Point taken! Good luck!

AceMaan
08-17-2005, 11:13 AM
I agree that tips are a matter of opinion and I hope for your sake that your opinion agrees with you.

no no you got me wrong read page 1....there was quite a personal attack kind of thing there....and so just wanted to give my two cents

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 11:16 AM
no no you got me wrong read page 1....there was quite a personal attack kind of thing there....and so just wanted to give my two cents

Thanks! But I knew you were talking about those fights but I took the oppurtunity to branch off to respect your opinion and hopes it agrees with you.

Nimrodg
08-17-2005, 11:17 AM
why everyone on Ollie ?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
according to the stats he play really bad against pipo, he lost to him a set !! on HC ! :rolleyes: Fabrice succeed to beat ljubo and i think he should win easily against rochus if rochus will play the same.

the solid parlay - Roddick X bandy X Robredo @2.34

later i'll give my fun one, who doing well lately :p

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 11:19 AM
I put one unit on Kiwi @9.00

Although I don't think he will win (Fedex has won last four meetings and only lost one set), I agree that these are too good odds to ignore...it should have been more like 3.50 or 4.00

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 11:30 AM
why everyone on Ollie ?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
according to the stats he play really bad against pipo, he lost to him a set !! on HC ! :rolleyes: Fabrice succeed to beat ljubo and i think he should win easily against rochus if rochus will play the same.



I think the reason is that the Black Magician didn't do too well lately (losing in challengers etc.). His win vs Ivan was good but bear in mind that Ljubo is not exactly in great form nowdays either

srkiknez
08-17-2005, 11:39 AM
Monfils G to beat Karol Beck

As I can see, many of you think that this could be an easy job for Beck. But I am still under impression how Monfils swept Stepanek in first round. Sure, Beck is in the form, but I remember how he struggled against Davydenko week ago. And how easy was beaten by Paul Henri Mathieu.
Looking surface, it seems that 13 aces against Stepanek, with 61% won points on second serve, could be sign that Monfils could easily keep his serve. Beck second serve is really weak and with this rain weather could be huge disadvantage today...

Nalbandian D. to beat Gonzalez F.
The reason is simple. Gonzalez had a problem with a shoulder. On Monday Djokovic had a good chance to beat him even without any ace in the match! Gonzalez served well but second serve was disaster and Novak had many chances to attack... From the other side Nalbandian is not sure bet because of unstable and not predictable style of play, but some how Gonzalez even healthy is easy job for him.... I think h2h is 5-1 for Nalbandian...

skel1983
08-17-2005, 11:54 AM
I can see where you are coming from, but Beck is the more solid pick in my eyes, did you see the Stepanek game, the stats look good but i watched that game and to put it nicely, Stepanek was S****!!! he did not look intrested whatsoever.

I have had a small punt on Beck, but good look to you.

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 12:16 PM
Beck X Nalbandian X Berdych X Roddick

srkiknez
08-17-2005, 12:21 PM
I can see where you are coming from, but Beck is the more solid pick in my eyes, did you see the Stepanek game, the stats look good but i watched that game and to put it nicely, Stepanek was S****!!! he did not look intrested whatsoever.

I have had a small punt on Beck, but good look to you.

Sometimes some player looks so bad because of other player performance. Do not forget that till few weeks ago Stepanek was in form. Also true is that Stepanek have had some problems with back... We will see today after game who was right!

Anyhow, while we are on opposite side, it seems that it is wise not to put house on this bet! :)

Eustache
08-17-2005, 12:29 PM
5 units on parlay Gasquet*Safin*Nalbi @3

Add for you a little interview in french for gasquet on the sports daily newspaper:

"Il était largement passé minuit, dans la nuit de lundi à mardi,
quand Richard Gasquet eut la lucidité de reconnaître qu’il aurait pu abréger cette
interminable nocturne face à Feliciano Lopez. « J’ai fait le con au deuxième set.
Trop de doubles fautes, trop passif… » Menant un set à rien et 3-1, le Français
avait fini par perdre la manche (6-4), relançant tout seul l’Espagnol au coup droit
irrégulièrement dévastateur. Heureusement pour lui, Gasquet s’accomoda sans
mal de cette frustration passagère et d’une humidité telle qu’elle lui fit glisser la
raquette des mains en plein service. « C’estmonproblème. Je sue, jesue… Yavait
mêmedes bulles qui sortaient des chaussures ! » "

Nimrodg
08-17-2005, 12:39 PM
Hmmm...french guys - can gilles can make an upset against moya? seems like gilles really like Hardcourts and he is doing pretty well lately with impressive results...odds are worth a shot? :confused:

Eustache
08-17-2005, 12:45 PM
No bet on simon. He has played 9sets since the qualif.

Mistaflava
08-17-2005, 12:54 PM
Gilles can very easily beat Moya...IMO that is a no play

Mistaflava
08-17-2005, 12:55 PM
Beck X Nalbandian X Berdych X Roddick


I like this play but I wouldn't go against Gael...I am betting on Monfils. Good Luck bro

Mistaflava
08-17-2005, 12:55 PM
why everyone on Ollie ?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
according to the stats he play really bad against pipo, he lost to him a set !! on HC ! :rolleyes: Fabrice succeed to beat ljubo and i think he should win easily against rochus if rochus will play the same.

the solid parlay - Roddick X bandy X Robredo @2.34

later i'll give my fun one, who doing well lately :p


playing against Pipo was a batch matchup for Ollie. He will recover today and quite easily beat Santoro.

Mistaflava
08-17-2005, 01:06 PM
Once again, I have formulated an Excel Spreadsheet that includes about 10 different factors for these matches. I have added another factor now that we are in the 2nd Round. The system gives either a PLAY or a NO-PLAY once I have entered all pertaining information. In Cincinnati the spreadsheet is 12-4 and today's games look just as good. I wager very small amounts on heavy favs, very large amounts on underdogs and big amounts on decent priced favs.


MISTAFLAVA'S EXCEL SPREADHSEET PICKS


Lleyton Hewitt 1.25 over Rusedski (Small)

Gael Monfils 1.92 over Beck (Big)

Olivier Rochus 1.53 over Santoro (Big)

Roger Federer 1.07 over Kiefer (Small)

Richard Gasquet 1.56 over Ancic (Big)

Guillermo Coria 1.33 over Horna (Small)

Dominik Hrbaty 1.57 over Soderling (Big)

Tomas Berdych 1.64 over Youzhny (Big)

Andy Roddick 1.25 over Ferrero (Small)


Good Luck today guys...let's make some big cash!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

dbnumberone
08-17-2005, 01:28 PM
I heart Robredo today against Acasuso, Acasuso is miserable on hard courts, and a win against Younes doesn't impress me at all, whereas Robredo showed some will to win yesterday.
10 units on Robredo to win.

Mistaflava
08-17-2005, 01:30 PM
Robredo is a safe bet bro...good luck

dbnumberone
08-17-2005, 01:32 PM
u2 Mista - everything comes through today!

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 01:54 PM
Yes, all the pot in the world won't help Chucho today :devil:

NewTennisFan
08-17-2005, 01:57 PM
Anyone see the ferrer v moddie game, i just looked up the stats i cant believe my eyes, second set Moodie hit 71% fisrt serves in and only won 37%!!!!! WOW how is that possible with his serve, Does anyone know how Ferrer played???

I don't think it will put me off Ginepri because he really looked good last night looked more focused than ever, i think his crosscourt forehand will have ferrer in a spin, also his serve is very underestimated 22 aces last night!!!
Ferrer played extraordinarily well, possibly producing the single overall best performance of all yesterday's matches... then again, we must also consider WHOM HIS OPPONENT WAS!!! (:p @ all of those who thought Moodie was really worth 1.83! Suckers!)

Now for a couple more things.

Some said Ferrero over Roddick. I'd strongly advise against that. Ferrero is NOT on top of his game, and is arguably lucky to be in the second round. I happen to be from among those who bet upon Ferrero > Koubek and watched the match, and what I can tell you is that JC looked FAR from solid. Hell, in the first set he lost six games to zero! I hardly remember the last time I saw anybody do that. Had it not been for the suspension of play due to the rain, I really think that Koubek may have snatched a victory. Ferrero, when he's down, he's out. He just shows no fighting spirit at all. Whatever you do, do NOT bet on this guy to go past Roddick.

Now for what one person classified as the play of the day: K Beck going over Monfils. My advise is to steer well clear of such a gamble. Monfils showed what he was made of against Stepanek, and while it has been pointed out that in some ways it was a case of Stepanek losing rather than Monfils winning, does it really matter? Monfils showed he can play a great defensive game and that he can perform cool under pressure. Beck on the other hand has had some very doubtful performances of late. In his match against Novak, he failed to convert 11 break points! He only got around half of his first serves in, and his second serves didn't make up for that deficit. Furthermore, he's inconsistent. One day he'll produce an outstanding victory over Nikolay Davydenko, and the next day he'll get totally pulverized into dust by PH Mathieu.

Bottom line is, Monfils, after winning at Sopot, is finally playing with confidence and producing a glimpse of the kind of performances he is capable of. If you're going to bet one way or the other, I strongly suggest you make it Monfils.

The best bet of the day, though, I think has to be Rochus over Santoro (previously @ 1.57). People realized what good odds they were, and now the bookies are being forced to shorten the odds, so I suggest anybody gets on this one quickly while it's still at least going @ 1.50. Why? Because Santoro, while having beaten Ljubicic, still produced the overall most mediocre performance of all the first round victors, playing an extremely poor receiving game, and anything that appears to look in his favor is probably owed to the sheer lack of quality in how Ljubicic played.

So yes, my money's on Monfils and Rochus. Now all we have to do is watch them lose ;).

NewTennisFan
08-17-2005, 02:10 PM
I'd also like to dispute that Robredo is a safe bet against Acasuso. Sure, Robredo may have beat Gaudio, but one thing it SURE wasn't, is pretty. Had Gaudio been able to convert those 4 missed break points in the second set, Robredo may well not even be playing today. Gaudio let himself down by failing to take advantage of his opportunities.

Acasuso, though, really did play a very very solid game. Yes, it was against El Aynaoui, a player on the worst form of his career, but nevertheless. Remember, Robredo also played Aynaoui last week, and he really struggled to string out that victory. Regarding the point that Acasuso is horrible on hard court... that, while disputable, may be true, but what about Robredo? He's played no better on hard court this season. In fact, he's the one who's suffered the more unexpected and humiliating hard court losses.

I'm not saying not to bet on Robredo. I'm just saying simply that I don't think anybody should regard this as being a "safe" one. I expect it to be very close, and well capable of going either way.


EDIT: More importantly, the odds on Robredo are lousy! :D

hallso
08-17-2005, 02:27 PM
Youzhny over Berdych

SwiSha
08-17-2005, 02:43 PM
whats up guys ..i m outta town for a lil time..be back next week ..just wanna wish everybody luck for their picks
cya fellaz

sports freak
08-17-2005, 02:44 PM
I don't think there is much chance of JCF beating Roddick, good luck all the same, but from all i have seen it will be very comfortable for the ARod.

My selections would be

Beck to beat Monfils
Henman to beat Chela
Ginepri to beat Ferrer
Berdych to beat Youzhny
Roddick to beat Ferrero

I think bet of the day has to be Beck at 2.0 , Monfils talented youngster but it was more Stepanek losing the game rather than him winning it in the 1st round, and Beck is in great form.


Dude some how i agree wit ya on Beck!!!top choice brother lets cash this!!

5 units on Beck over Monfils!!!

sports freak
08-17-2005, 02:53 PM
nobody on gasquet @1,6 versus out-of form ancic?

:yeah: :yeah: 2u units Gasquet/Beck double :)

sports freak
08-17-2005, 02:53 PM
nobody on gasquet @1,6 versus out-of form ancic?

:yeah: :yeah: 2 units Gasquet/Beck double :)

sports freak
08-17-2005, 02:56 PM
Dude some how i agree wit ya on Beck!!!top choice brother lets cash this!!

5 units on Beck over Monfils!!!Adding
2 units on Beck/Gasquet!!
2 units on Gasquet/Henman!!
1 unit Beck/Gasq/Hen!!!!!

Ale10
08-17-2005, 02:58 PM
Rochus x Hewitt @1.88

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:01 PM
Please don't post tips its.like.that, because you don't actully know much about tennis or maybe it's your judgement that is clouded (i.e Murray) for some reason you dislike him, why i ask????

Personally i couldn't give a s*** if i liked a guy or not when it comes to gambling, but he looks like splinter from The Turtles, AND???? If you did know anything about tennis you would respect the performance by Murray. which you described as LUCKY??????

I actully had Dent in a multiple bet, but Murray outplayed the guy from start to finish and played the big points so well. So like i say if you watched that game and thought he really was lucky, i would prefer you to keep your tips to yourselve because you obviously see tennis in a different light than most, as many would probably agree, because that performance was so far from being lucky!!!!! get real my friend.

who do you think you are? you remind me of little bitch from the movie Basketball. :lol:

get back under your rock,

STAY OUT OF TENNIS

I AM TENNIS

I AM TIMSTER

I AM THE KING OF 2+ WINNERS.

sports freak
08-17-2005, 03:01 PM
Beck X Nalbandian X Berdych X Roddick

Nice parlay BB,cash it!!!u can also add Henman and Gasquet for a six pack!! :rolleyes:

sports freak
08-17-2005, 03:04 PM
5 units on parlay Gasquet*Safin*Nalbi @3

Add for you a little interview in french for gasquet on the sports daily newspaper:

"Il était largement passé minuit, dans la nuit de lundi à mardi,
quand Richard Gasquet eut la lucidité de reconnaître qu’il aurait pu abréger cette
interminable nocturne face à Feliciano Lopez. « J’ai fait le con au deuxième set.
Trop de doubles fautes, trop passif… » Menant un set à rien et 3-1, le Français
avait fini par perdre la manche (6-4), relançant tout seul l’Espagnol au coup droit
irrégulièrement dévastateur. Heureusement pour lui, Gasquet s’accomoda sans
mal de cette frustration passagère et d’une humidité telle qu’elle lui fit glisser la
raquette des mains en plein service. « C’estmonproblème. Je sue, jesue… Yavait
mêmedes bulles qui sortaient des chaussures ! » "

:yeah: :yeah:

diekedelver
08-17-2005, 03:06 PM
Nalby x Ollie x Beck x Fujiwara :rolleyes: @ 5.28

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:06 PM
Please don't post tips its.like.that, because you don't actully know much about tennis or maybe it's your judgement that is clouded (i.e Murray) for some reason you dislike him, why i ask????

Personally i couldn't give a s*** if i liked a guy or not when it comes to gambling, but he looks like splinter from The Turtles, AND???? If you did know anything about tennis you would respect the performance by Murray. which you described as LUCKY??????

I actully had Dent in a multiple bet, but Murray outplayed the guy from start to finish and played the big points so well. So like i say if you watched that game and thought he really was lucky, i would prefer you to keep your tips to yourselve because you obviously see tennis in a different light than most, as many would probably agree, because that performance was so far from being lucky!!!!! get real my friend.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha:

lol... I love you poms.

loz
08-17-2005, 03:06 PM
Mistaflava - I hope you win all your tips today. But for god sake i hope you're wrong on Monfils please.

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:32 PM
You're getting hammered, its.like.that! ;)

:lol:

am I reading the same thread as you? :retard:

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:37 PM
managed to convince my boss for a salary advance.....and doing the following


still up to your old tricks hey champ? :lol:

skel1983
08-17-2005, 03:39 PM
ITS.LIKE THAT

Bothered not at all!!! you are a muppet, i thought it was the return of the superstar that is Its.like that??????????? tipping service today, what happened to that????

Get out of tennis you say, i don't think i am in tennis, not the last time i looked???? i gamble on tennis that's about it.

Look geezer, i am here to make money and share my views, and if i critizise or give a strong view on why that is, i don't act a spoilt brat like yourselve, with your unwitty insult's, if i think someone is backing someone i don't fancy i'll tell them why it's not a good idea.

You still didn't let me know why Murray was lucky though did you??? i am still waiting for that answer, the reason is you can't answer it, like i said previously as many of the guys know on this forum, if i have made a mistake i'll be first to admit it, but you talk out of your ass.

Yoel and co.
08-17-2005, 03:41 PM
I have this vague sense of the word "Ban" heading your way :)

skel1983
08-17-2005, 03:48 PM
Why would that be my friend???

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:49 PM
5 units on parlay Gasquet*Safin*Nalbi @3

Add for you a little interview in french for gasquet on the sports daily newspaper:

"Il était largement passé minuit, dans la nuit de lundi à mardi,
quand Richard Gasquet eut la lucidité de reconnaître qu’il aurait pu abréger cette
interminable nocturne face à Feliciano Lopez. « J’ai fait le con au deuxième set.
Trop de doubles fautes, trop passif… » Menant un set à rien et 3-1, le Français
avait fini par perdre la manche (6-4), relançant tout seul l’Espagnol au coup droit
irrégulièrement dévastateur. Heureusement pour lui, Gasquet s’accomoda sans
mal de cette frustration passagère et d’une humidité telle qu’elle lui fit glisser la
raquette des mains en plein service. « C’estmonproblème. Je sue, jesue… Yavait
mêmedes bulles qui sortaient des chaussures ! » "

oh la la :p

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:52 PM
Once again, I have formulated an Excel Spreadsheet that includes about 10 different factors for these matches. I have added another factor now that we are in the 2nd Round. The system gives either a PLAY or a NO-PLAY once I have entered all pertaining information. In Cincinnati the spreadsheet is 12-4 and today's games look just as good. I wager very small amounts on heavy favs, very large amounts on underdogs and big amounts on decent priced favs.


MISTAFLAVA'S EXCEL SPREADHSEET PICKS


Lleyton Hewitt 1.25 over Rusedski (Small)

Gael Monfils 1.92 over Beck (Big)

Olivier Rochus 1.53 over Santoro (Big)

Roger Federer 1.07 over Kiefer (Small)

Richard Gasquet 1.56 over Ancic (Big)

Guillermo Coria 1.33 over Horna (Small)

Dominik Hrbaty 1.57 over Soderling (Big)

Tomas Berdych 1.64 over Youzhny (Big)

Andy Roddick 1.25 over Ferrero (Small)


Good Luck today guys...let's make some big cash!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I thought you said you were going against Berdych this round :p

loz
08-17-2005, 03:55 PM
Skel1983 you sound like a pretty good bloke. I know you are patriotic and support Murray and thats great. dont take things to heart what is said here. I mean all kinds of shit gets spoken here in the heat of a match espec when $ is going down the tube.

skel1983
08-17-2005, 03:58 PM
Fair enough Loz, i do get a bit wound up i admit that, but i wouldn't call Hewitt Lucky or insult him because of his nationality, that's my take on it anyway mate, because i don't know any other reason you would dislike Murray, i respect all tennis players and if they play well i will be the first to say they deserve credit not insult's.

I will calm down and take it with a pinch of salt!!!

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 04:00 PM
Beck had a nightmare first set.

I hope the next 2 sets are decent or I'm gone already.

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:00 PM
ITS.LIKE THAT

Bothered not at all!!! you are a muppet, i thought it was the return of the superstar that is Its.like that??????????? tipping service today, what happened to that????

Get out of tennis you say, i don't think i am in tennis, not the last time i looked???? i gamble on tennis that's about it.

Look geezer, i am here to make money and share my views, and if i critizise or give a strong view on why that is, i don't act a spoilt brat like yourselve, with your unwitty insult's, if i think someone is backing someone i don't fancy i'll tell them why it's not a good idea.

You still didn't let me know why Murray was lucky though did you??? i am still waiting for that answer, the reason is you can't answer it, like i said previously as many of the guys know on this forum, if i have made a mistake i'll be first to admit it, but you talk out of your ass.

lol... you really don't get it, do you

loz
08-17-2005, 04:01 PM
its a bit like in the Ashes when us Aussies love to give the poms crap and vice versa. Its all good and makes for lots of fireworks. At the end we have a beer together.. you know what i mean. cheers

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:04 PM
I will calm down and take it with a pinch of salt!!!

you do that sweety :kiss:

fisherking
08-17-2005, 04:05 PM
who do you think you are? you remind me of little bitch from the movie Basketball. :lol:

get back under your rock,

STAY OUT OF TENNIS

I AM TENNIS

I AM TIMSTER

I AM THE KING OF 2+ WINNERS.


lol, where have i read it before...

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 04:06 PM
Congratulations all Monfils backers. He has this match won.

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:07 PM
lol, where have i read it before...

lol... well hey, if people are going to accuse me of being him, I may as well be him. :)

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:09 PM
what is pandy bandy doing? :lol:

he turned to sh*te in that 2nd set

srkiknez
08-17-2005, 04:13 PM
Congratulations all Monfils backers. He has this match won.

Yeap, it seems that Beck unstable first serve decided this match...
Seven aces and high percentage of receiving points shows that Beck is far away from this match...

Now, just Nalbandian to return himself into match and everything will be fine!

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:13 PM
come on panda bear, you can do it :)

srkiknez
08-17-2005, 04:17 PM
Yeap, it seems that Beck unstable first serve decided this match...
Seven aces and high percentage of receiving points shows that Beck is far away from this match...

Now, just Nalbandian to return himself into match and everything will be fine!

Ups... Maybe this observation came to early!!! Beck is back! Three break points Beck has on Monfils for the match serve! This could be tricky...

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:17 PM
beck has the 2nd set back on serve :lol:

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 04:19 PM
nalbandian now down a break in the 3rd :lol:

fisherking
08-17-2005, 04:20 PM
Beck is back

Bolar Bolabi
08-17-2005, 04:26 PM
Nalbandian is now letting me down. Beck is back on serve so there's hope. Nalby has this one lost. I'm blacklisting him now. That's 2 weeks in a row he's lost easy games after winning the first set comfortably.

He sucks!

srkiknez
08-17-2005, 04:26 PM
only one bet so far for me... oliver rochus @ 1.57 :) then i will jump back to soccer until next weeks first round on monday ;)

PS:- soccer world cup qualifying and few good international games are on today... just a reminder for those intrested

For this point of view (Beck has been back, Nalbandian one game down) definately Oliver was "only one right bet"...

Great tip!

srkiknez
08-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Ooook.... Life goes on...
The next interesting match for me is:
Davydenko N. v Mathieu P-H.

MPH looks very comfortable on hard court... From the other side Davydenko has been played on hard court always with some agony. I don't if Mathieu tired or not (since he last few weeks played a lot of matches) but this could be opportunity for him to get Davydenko scalp...


Your opinion?

sports freak
08-17-2005, 04:56 PM
Adding
2 units on Beck/Gasquet!!
2 units on Gasquet/Henman!!
1 unit Beck/Gasq/Hen!!!!!

Damn Beck!!!!adding

8 units on Henman/Berdych double
5 units on Gasquet/Robredo
1 unit quad parlay of the above!!

sports freak
08-17-2005, 04:57 PM
Ooook.... Life goes on...
The next interesting match for me is:
Davydenko N. v Mathieu P-H.

MPH looks very comfortable on hard court... From the other side Davydenko has been played on hard court always with some agony. I don't if Mathieu tired or not (since he last few weeks played a lot of matches) but this could be opportunity for him to get Davydenko scalp...


Your opinion?

Yeah i agree wit ya mate good luck on PHM

dbnumberone
08-17-2005, 04:59 PM
I'd also like to dispute that Robredo is a safe bet against Acasuso. Sure, Robredo may have beat Gaudio, but one thing it SURE wasn't, is pretty. Had Gaudio been able to convert those 4 missed break points in the second set, Robredo may well not even be playing today. Gaudio let himself down by failing to take advantage of his opportunities.

Acasuso, though, really did play a very very solid game. Yes, it was against El Aynaoui, a player on the worst form of his career, but nevertheless. Remember, Robredo also played Aynaoui last week, and he really struggled to string out that victory. Regarding the point that Acasuso is horrible on hard court... that, while disputable, may be true, but what about Robredo? He's played no better on hard court this season. In fact, he's the one who's suffered the more unexpected and humiliating hard court losses.

I'm not saying not to bet on Robredo. I'm just saying simply that I don't think anybody should regard this as being a "safe" one. I expect it to be very close, and well capable of going either way.


EDIT: More importantly, the odds on Robredo are lousy! :D

Well then.....8 more units on Robredo!

ryydman
08-17-2005, 05:01 PM
Damn Beck!!!!adding

8 units on Henman/Berdych double
5 units on Gasquet/Robredo
1 unit quad parlay of the above!!

Henman is very poor odds considering he's 4:3 against Chela overall.

ryydman
08-17-2005, 05:03 PM
Single: Safin to beat Murray @ 1.45 Betfair.

Berdych is tempting...

Ale10
08-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Rochus x Hewitt @1.88

Rochus 7-5, 6-3
Hewitt 1-6, 7-5, 6-4

Plus: Petrova-Karatantcheva 2nd set under 9.5 games 2.20(6-1)



Let's see the money! :)

Ale10
08-17-2005, 05:52 PM
Davydenko x Bogomolov Jr. x Medina Garrigues/Safina @2.22

NewTennisFan
08-17-2005, 06:12 PM
As far as goes evidence of the most recent matches that both players have competed in, i.e. round one of this tournament, then Henman's overall performance had to be among the five best in the tournament, if not the top three. Chela's was among the three (relatively) poorest of all first round winners (other relatively poor performances were those of Gonzalez and Santoro). I'm pretty convinced that Henman will wipe the FLOOR with Chela today. Most of the general betting public seem to have caught on to that, which is why Henman has the odds that he does.









Now for something else.

MISTAFLAVA'S EXCEL SPREADHSEET PICKS


Lleyton Hewitt 1.25 over Rusedski (Small)

Gael Monfils 1.92 over Beck (Big)

Olivier Rochus 1.53 over Santoro (Big)

Roger Federer 1.07 over Kiefer (Small)

Richard Gasquet 1.56 over Ancic (Big)

Guillermo Coria 1.33 over Horna (Small)

Dominik Hrbaty 1.57 over Soderling (Big)

Tomas Berdych 1.64 over Youzhny (Big)

Andy Roddick 1.25 over Ferrero (Small)


Good Luck today guys...let's make some big cash!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
No offense or nothing, buddy, but 8 out of 9 of those picks are on outright favorites! Some research in bookies' past results will reveal that generally in men's tennis, there is a significantly higher percentage of outright favorites' victories than there is of "upsets". You figure to get the majority of those picks right without needing any spreadsheet. Most of them appear to be common sense at first glance. Of course, that doesn't guarantee that you'll make any money when all's said and done. There's a good enough chance that the "big" bets will be the ones that lose.

Look out for Ancic/Gasquet. I'd be interested to know how you figured that Gasquet looked better from the statistics. That's not what I've got.

dbnumberone
08-17-2005, 06:19 PM
[QUOTE=NewTennisFan]Most of the general betting public seem to have caught on to that, which is why Henman has the odds that he does.QUOTE]

Sorry bro, Henman has odds that he does, ALWAYS, b/c so many Brits back him regardless, like Srichaphan, like Notre Dame in American football - you never get real value on these guys.
That said, I think Henman will win.

dbnumberone
08-17-2005, 06:19 PM
or real odds at least
edit: or odds that are more skewed than they should be - you know what i mean

NewTennisFan
08-17-2005, 07:02 PM
Most of the general betting public seem to have caught on to that, which is why Henman has the odds that he does.

Sorry bro, Henman has odds that he does, ALWAYS, b/c so many Brits back him regardless, like Srichaphan, like Notre Dame in American football - you never get real value on these guys.
That said, I think Henman will win.
Now that you say it, I think that you're right. The main factor is probably the amount of Britons betting on him. Nevertheless, had they bet on him for statistical reasons, they would have been right.







Now for something else: someone or other placed bets on Coria and Gasquet to win, on the basis of "factors". I'd be interested to know what factors exactly, because it must have included some pretty irrelevant and inconsequential ones. Horna and Ancic had played significantly better tennis in their first round games, regardless of whom the opponents were (really not a huge difference between them [respective opponents] at all, unless you think Current Race Position is something that can be outright depended upon). Horna in fact had been playing consistently better tennis, based on his quality performances in the qualifying stages. For what fathomable reason would Gasquet or Coria figure to be worth big money when their work on the courts simply fails to back it up? These are the sort of situations where it is worth betting on the underdog: because really, these types of matches are no more predictable than a coin toss! You either bet on the dog, or on nobody at all...that is, if you don't want to risk losing a lot of money in the long haul.

Tennis is a day-by-day sport. It's not like soccer, NFL, and other such games, where a confidence boost/winning streak/good form can carry over weeks. You're only as good as your last two or three games. If you're looking at statistics going back for a whole month (or MORE! *gasp*), and "figuring" from that that Coria and Gasquet for example figure to be hot favorites, then a lot of money is going to be lost. We have to beat the instinct to go on trends, out-dated results and other useless information if we're going to beat tennis.

NewTennisFan
08-17-2005, 08:31 PM
Hate to gloat (lies), but Robredo was NOT worth big money today, and whoever bet big on him, you deserved that loss for your lack of scrutiny. Acasuso produced a widely better performance in the first round, regardless of who the respective opponents were. Robredo just was not convincing against Gaudio, plain and simple. Then again, I'd wager that those who bet on him didn't even watch him in action!

Action Jackson
08-17-2005, 08:32 PM
Chucho and Horna great results for sure.

maksymdyzio
08-17-2005, 10:32 PM
Congrats to NewTennisFan, really impressive picks :)

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 11:10 PM
Hate to gloat (lies), but Robredo was NOT worth big money today, and whoever bet big on him, you deserved that loss for your lack of scrutiny. Acasuso produced a widely better performance in the first round, regardless of who the respective opponents were. Robredo just was not convincing against Gaudio, plain and simple. Then again, I'd wager that those who bet on him didn't even watch him in action!

hey chump, no fellow gamblers lounge member deserves to lose a bet no matter how ridiculous their reasoning behind it, that isn't the way things work around here.

if you're going to persist with this lovely fetish for aftertiming, then I would kindly ask you to refrain from posting your eloquently put spiel in this thread.

NewTennisFan
08-17-2005, 11:29 PM
hey chump, no fellow gamblers lounge member deserves to lose a bet no matter how ridiculous their reasoning behind it, that isn't the way things work around here.

if you're going to persist with this lovely fetish for aftertiming, then I would kindly ask you to refrain from posting your eloquently put spiel in this thread.
If we're not hard on each other, how are we going to help each other? I'd hope that if I'd bet big on a virtual coin toss (and had been suggesting others to do the same), you'd all rip me a new one too. That way I'd be more likely to remember and think twice the next time round.

About deserving or not deserving to lose, then that's just my theory behind gambling. If somebody bets beyond their means on a very questionable proposition in an attempt to win more than what they deserve, and lose the bet, then the cold hard fact is that they were asking for it. I've screwed up that way enough times, and hell, I deserved everything I got. So does everyone else. This is my opinion, and whether or not it warrants the title of "eloquently put spiel" doesn't worry me; what does, on the other hand, is clamping down on my right to express it.

Oh, and is it still "aftertiming" even if I said the same thing beforehand? I'll have to think about that one.

Anyway, my humblest apologies for apparently having caused obviously unintentional offense.

Mistaflava
08-17-2005, 11:34 PM
I agree...some stupid bets deserve to lose. I am all about conservative criticism....good luck tonight guys.

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 12:05 AM
I agree...some stupid bets deserve to lose. I am all about conservative criticism....good luck tonight guys.Good luck to you too. Hell, we all need it.

Ale10
08-18-2005, 02:16 AM
Davydenko x Bogomolov Jr. x Medina Garrigues/Safina @2.22

Davydenko 6-2, 6-2
Bogomolov 6-7, 6-7
Medina/Safina 6-3, 7-5

LOST

its.like.that
08-18-2005, 04:07 AM
If we're not hard on each other, how are we going to help each other? I'd hope that if I'd bet big on a virtual coin toss (and had been suggesting others to do the same), you'd all rip me a new one too. That way I'd be more likely to remember and think twice the next time round.

About deserving or not deserving to lose, then that's just my theory behind gambling. If somebody bets beyond their means on a very questionable proposition in an attempt to win more than what they deserve, and lose the bet, then the cold hard fact is that they were asking for it. I've screwed up that way enough times, and hell, I deserved everything I got. So does everyone else. This is my opinion, and whether or not it warrants the title of "eloquently put spiel" doesn't worry me; what does, on the other hand, is clamping down on my right to express it.

Oh, and is it still "aftertiming" even if I said the same thing beforehand? I'll have to think about that one.

Anyway, my humblest apologies for apparently having caused obviously unintentional offense.

its not like this is a communist gambling group, where all profits go towards the collective, each person is gambling for themselves.

each gambler makes up their own mind when betting, and only a weak/amateur gambler would change their mind due to somebody being "hard" on them.

and if you've already done so beforehand, I don't see the need to say "I told you so" after the fact.

sports freak
08-18-2005, 04:38 AM
Hate to gloat (lies), but Robredo was NOT worth big money today, and whoever bet big on him, you deserved that loss for your lack of scrutiny. Acasuso produced a widely better performance in the first round, regardless of who the respective opponents were. Robredo just was not convincing against Gaudio, plain and simple. Then again, I'd wager that those who bet on him didn't even watch him in action!

Bro u seem like u know it all,are you sayin if Jose had a better last game then Robredo he would beat him next up,mate ive seen blokes that have played 95-100 per cent best game and following day lose to someone who didnt have a good performance previous game,mate u can bet one of the reason for Tommy's lost is part of mental weakness,some players just have that iner strength or toughness that may get em over the line when it counts!!!!There are so many stories u can discuss bro but like it or not Tennis is like other sports,u punt on form most of the time???isnt it??? :rolleyes: Thoroughly enjoying ur discussion wit old mate!!!!

sports freak
08-18-2005, 04:45 AM
Damn Beck!!!!adding

8 units on Henman/Berdych double
5 units on Gasquet/Robredo
1 unit quad parlay of the above!!

Absolute joke these players,all 4 on the band list temporarily!!!!Damn u Beck, overated!!Lost just over 20 units last nite!!!One of the darkest days in tennis,got the feeling this tournament is gonna spring upsets after upsets,punters nightmare watch out!!!!If i could bet on options of matches going into 3 setters it would be value!!!!Im pissed so watch out!! :mad:

skel1983
08-18-2005, 08:21 AM
Thank God for Ginepri, had risked alot on him to pull me out of the depressing day of gambling, few of my picks went down today.

Henman was awful!!!

New tennis fan some good point's my friend you must have had a great day!!!

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 08:48 AM
its not like this is a communist gambling group, where all profits go towards the collective, each person is gambling for themselves.
So because it's not a "communist" gambling group, we shouldn't give a damn when other people among the group lose a lot of money?

each gambler makes up their own mind when betting, and only a weak/amateur gambler would change their mind due to somebody being "hard" on them.
Do you really believe there are any successful professional gamblers with no second income regularly posting on these boards?

You are right about one thing: each gambler makes up their own mind when betting... except that most struggle to break even.

and if you've already done so beforehand, I don't see the need to say "I told you so" after the fact.
Fair enough. We can all be asses at times.

dbnumberone
08-18-2005, 03:22 PM
[QUOTE=NewTennisFan] I'm pretty convinced that Henman will wipe the FLOOR with Chela today. QUOTE]

So I made a mistake on Robredo, I'm still ahead for the week, I've posted all my picks. Thanks for pointing out we should be hard on each other. EAT YOUR HENMAN BET - I hope you lost a ton.

skel1983
08-18-2005, 03:29 PM
Why are we trying to get one over on each other, we all know are stuff or we wouldn't be placing our hard earned cash, your always get it wrong from time to time, but slating each others selections i don't do, i mean i had Henman he got beat s*** happens, if someone wants to post there opinion where they think i went wrong on my selection or there slant on things fine, but rubbing it in no good dudes.

NewTennisFan
08-18-2005, 10:27 PM
[QUOTE=NewTennisFan] I'm pretty convinced that Henman will wipe the FLOOR with Chela today. QUOTE]

So I made a mistake on Robredo, I'm still ahead for the week, I've posted all my picks. Thanks for pointing out we should be hard on each other. EAT YOUR HENMAN BET - I hope you lost a ton.
Hold up. Did I say I bet on Henman? No. I bet on Monfils and Rochus and won, thank you very much. I'd never bet on Tim Henman, even if he were facing a +400. Betting on Tim Henman comes under my legal definition of attempted suicide. All I said, simply, was that I was convinced he'd win the match. Sadly for him, he couldn't emulate his previous performances. Do I care? Not at all! Blind patriotism is for inferior specimens yet to undergo evolution...kinda like superstition.

To add to that, even if I HAD bet on Henman, you can count on the fact that I wouldn't have lost a ton. See, unlike you, I don't adopt foolish progressive betting schemes. I'd never lose a ton on any single bet, because I only bet within my means. However sure I was that somebody would win or lose, I'd never risk 10% of my bankroll on it. That's just plain stupidity. As a great pro once said, "the population of bad handicappers in tap city is dwarfed by the population of bad money managers."