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fightclubber
08-11-2005, 04:57 AM
Hi guys
Miss you so much.. but Im on time to start this!
Thanks for all the feedback you all left me and to remind me to do this... I thought I lost my place but Its nice to know you still want me.
Your messages are incredible and Im still blushed

So.. Go Roger Go!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cinci!!!!!!!!!!!! First step on hard courts.
Im really happy we pass first rounds but if we win... better.-- right?????

Here the link to the site
http://www.cincytennis.com/en/
:wavey: ;) :worship: :p :) :wavey: ;) :p :) :worship: :wavey:
Silvy

SUKTUEN
08-11-2005, 05:30 AM
Silvy my dear~!!! :hug: :hug: :hug:

Please come back soon~!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:
If you argee please tell me where you are going?
I worry about you~~!!! :sad:

Mrs. B
08-11-2005, 08:23 AM
Hi, Silvy! :wavey:

everything's back to normal now. The cheering threads are not the same without you. :hug: Let's hope this one brings him luck, too.

Hopp, Roger in Cincy!!! He needs to prepare himself for the USO! :bounce:

RonE
08-11-2005, 09:07 AM
Silvy!!!!!! :D :hug:

With you back and starting the cheering threads again Roger is guaranteed a great comeback and run in Cincinnati :yeah:

Puschkin
08-11-2005, 09:10 AM
Does anyone know when the draw will be out? I am desperate for Cincy to start, Montreal is just too weird;)

yanchr
08-11-2005, 09:51 AM
Silvy, thanks for opening the Cincy thread again :bounce: Roger will be doing well upon the luck you give him :D

Does anyone know when the draw will be out? I am desperate for Cincy to start, Montreal is just too weird;)
Ya, uptil now all the players that I'm rooting for were kicked out :( And all the players that I'm rooting strongly against are still quite safe there :mad: It's so different a tournament without Roger :bigcry: So Roger'd better come out strong and fresh in Cincy to make it at least a worthy tournament to watch :rolleyes:

avocadoe
08-11-2005, 03:50 PM
Hi guys
Miss you so much.. but Im on time to start this!
Thanks for all the feedback you all left me and to remind me to do this... I thought I lost my place but Its nice to know you still want me.
Your messages are incredible and Im still blushed

So.. Go Roger Go!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cinci!!!!!!!!!!!! First step on hard courts.
Im really happy we pass first rounds but if we win... better.-- right?????

Here the link to the site
http://www.cincytennis.com/en/
:wavey: ;) :worship: :p :) :wavey: ;) :p :) :worship: :wavey:
Silvy
woohoo, here we go...Goog Luck to Roger...let's take this MS shield :wavey: :)
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: (one for each match won in Cincy)

avocadoe
08-11-2005, 03:52 PM
hate to grumble but no live scoreboard?

Nocko
08-11-2005, 04:29 PM
Silvy, the best Rogi-fan in the world!! :bigclap: :hug:

:woohoo: Rogi will start to play again! I can't wait!!

Good Luck, Roger! Stay healthy and grab the title!!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

oneandonlyhsn
08-11-2005, 06:38 PM
Cant wait for Cincy, I miss Roger so much. I am enjoying a few matches in Montreal. I am loving my dear old Mathieu, and Rafa is just so entertaining. As for the rest its a total bore.

TenHound
08-11-2005, 08:23 PM
Things getting back to normal w/Silvy starting the thread!! Congratulations on yr. beautiful work!! That's so dear of you.

Whistleway
08-11-2005, 10:12 PM
Woohoo @ silvy.... I be in cincy and hope to see roger, if i can ;)

fightclubber
08-11-2005, 10:20 PM
Woohoo @ silvy.... I be in cincy and hope to see roger, if i can ;)
Really!??
WOWOwowow
Incredible!
Id love to hear your stories.
just 3 days and cincy starts! wowowowow
I cant wait to try to see a federer matches.
I misss him so much
Im not sure if Ill have all the energy to start to seach for pics again but guess I will !
Hey honey. Thanks for naming me on your site. Its an honour cos you know how much I love it. THANK YOU.
And again, thanks to all of you that wrote so many nice things abot book and all that story.
I can tell you maybe this weekenbd check that section on roger site. (bday present) maybe Ill post some news.

My Dears RonE,Noko,Puschkin, Mrs B, suktuen, Yanchr.... THANKS:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:
SILVY

Stevens Point
08-11-2005, 10:38 PM
Roger is finally returning to the tennis court!! And, our Federer Express is rolling again!! His results in Cincinnati from previous years won't matter anymore. He can take this title!! Good luck, Roger!!! :D :D :D :D :D

MissMoJo
08-12-2005, 05:52 AM
Ciff said that Rogi was supposed to arrive in cincy today to prepare, get used to the court etc. :D Glad to know he's there early, and focused on taking his 8th masters title :yeah: Can't wait to see him play again, take it Rogi! :yippee:

Puschkin
08-12-2005, 06:37 AM
Woohoo @ silvy.... I be in cincy and hope to see roger, if i can ;)

Match report!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy the tourney :wavey: .

fightclubber
08-12-2005, 02:04 PM
Ciff said that Rogi was supposed to arrive in cincy today to prepare, get used to the court etc. :D Glad to know he's there early, and focused on taking his 8th masters title :yeah: Can't wait to see him play again, take it Rogi! :yippee:
I HAVE THE FEELING ROGER IS THERE SINCE LAST NIGHT!
ANY IDEA WHAT TIME THE MATCHES START? COS SEEMS CINCI HAS SAME TIME AS BUENOS AIRES!
I HOPE THEYLL BE LATE SO I CAN SEE THE MATCHES AFTER WORK!
GO ROGER GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(BY THE WAY.. REVENGE FOR PUERTA... PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! AT MONTREAL MS)

SUKTUEN
08-12-2005, 02:40 PM
Roger GO ~!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Tennis KING~~!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

mitalidas
08-12-2005, 03:17 PM
Roger will win Cincy!!!! :worship:

SUKTUEN
08-12-2005, 03:19 PM
I MISS HIM

Puschkin
08-12-2005, 03:20 PM
Roger will win Cincy!!!! :worship:

I hope you are right. But isn't it somehow frightening, that the only option we talk about (in whatever tourney Roger plays) is winning it?

mitalidas
08-12-2005, 03:48 PM
I hope you are right. But isn't it somehow frightening, that the only option we talk about (in whatever tourney Roger plays) is winning it?
It is .... weird. For us, if he falls short of winning it, its so disappointing. But, those are the standards he has set for us.

I really prefer that he loses early than deep in the draw. I have had two big letdowns this year-- I mean, for days after the AO I was in what must be mild depression. For the FO, it was better because it wasn't so close, but it still rankled me.

Puschkin
08-12-2005, 03:58 PM
I mean, for days after the AO I was in what must be mild depression. For the FO, it was better because it wasn't so close, but it still rankled me.

For me it was opposite, but for the same reasons, however, this is history ;) . I am looking forward and rather annoyed not to find any information about when the Cincy-draw will be out. Can anyone help?

TenHound
08-12-2005, 07:51 PM
As long as he wins NYC, this is just a warmup. Hard to tell how seriously he's taking it, since he usually arrives by Tues. to get acclimated in places he wants to win. If he doesn't get to Cincy til Th. or Fri, that's barely time to get over jet lag & who knows how much he's played since his layoff. So, my take is No Worries, just let him get back into form for NYC. If he wins, it's a bonus. Of course, it goes w/out saying, that I'd rather...

Does anyone know if he got in his scheduled pre-hardcourt work w/Tony, or if that had to be cancelled?

SUKTUEN
08-12-2005, 08:19 PM
I think he will play well after the holiday like last year~

*M*
08-12-2005, 08:31 PM
For me it was opposite, but for the same reasons, however, this is history ;) . I am looking forward and rather annoyed not to find any information about when the Cincy-draw will be out. Can anyone help?One more hour (4:30pm Eastern Time).

SUKTUEN
08-12-2005, 08:49 PM
I want to know when will Roger play first round

fightclubber
08-12-2005, 09:23 PM
As long as he wins NYC, this is just a warmup. Hard to tell how seriously he's taking it, since he usually arrives by Tues. to get acclimated in places he wants to win. If he doesn't get to Cincy til Th. or Fri, that's barely time to get over jet lag & who knows how much he's played since his layoff. So, my take is No Worries, just let him get back into form for NYC. If he wins, it's a bonus. Of course, it goes w/out saying, that I'd rather...

Does anyone know if he got in his scheduled pre-hardcourt work w/Tony, or if that had to be cancelled?

well I have to say I prefer to think he will win that start to get depress before.
So I put my enegery in YES HE will win.
But this time, as last year he lost in first round.. I hope hell be better.
I know he was getting into form in switzerland at least last week( guess he got 4 weeks of rest after wimbly???)=
But lets wait and see.
I think hell go to NYC right after cincy and he will train with Roche.
He said somewhere I cannot recall where... that he will work with Tony Before USOpen but Roche will not be with him during the tournament...
Anyway...
Anyone from Cincy? News??
So sad Puerta could not even take a set to Rafa. But I think its the first time he plays hard courts this year... if Im ok...Only Gaudio alive from my country... and Andre...
Will Paul Henri face Rafa now??? Will be a great match to see!
see you guys
Hi M!!!!!!!!!!!!;)


Silvy:wavey:

oneandonlyhsn
08-12-2005, 10:10 PM
Roger GO ~!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Tennis KING~~!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

:wavey: I have never seen you post over at GM, do you dislike it out there. I am starting to hate it a lot now. I like Rafa and his fight but his fans are putting me off. I think I will be camping out here and over at Mathieus board for the next few days. Oh well, I cant wait to see Rogi back in action, I miss him a lot which is weird because I dont really know the man

ExpectedWinner
08-12-2005, 10:54 PM
I like Rafa and his fight but his fans are putting me off.

To be honest, there are some Fed's fans that can put anybody off. Some crazy girls think that they should bring Fed's name into an every thread, it's annoying. The others try to play down Nadal's achievements. It's stupid to say the least. Ugly or pretty, it's obvious that he can play on hc. And don't forget that Roger's game matches up badly with Nadal's. So it'd be smart to sit tight, shut up for a while and wait till your man delivers on hc this summer. Then you are free to celebrate. :)

oneandonlyhsn
08-12-2005, 11:22 PM
To be honest, there are some Fed's fans that can put anybody off. Some crazy girls think that they should bring Fed's name into an every thread, it's annoying. The others try to play down Nadal's achievements. It's stupid to say the least. Ugly or pretty, it's obvious that he can play on hc. And don't forget that Roger's game matches up badly with Nadal's. So it'd be smart to sit tight, shut up for a while and wait till your man delivers on hc this summer. Then you are free to celebrate. :)

Thanks I like them both for different reasons but I find it so difficult sometimes to be a fan of both. I guess I can relate to fans of both Roddick and Fed

nobama
08-12-2005, 11:27 PM
To be honest, there are some Fed's fans that can put anybody off. Some crazy girls think that they should bring Fed's name into an every thread, it's annoying. The others try to play down Nadal's achievements. It's stupid to say the least. Ugly or pretty, it's obvious that he can play on hc. And don't forget that Roger's game matches up badly with Nadal's. So it'd be smart to sit tight, shut up for a while and wait till your man delivers on hc this summer. Then you are free to celebrate. :)
Celebrate what? Roger hasn't played since Wimbledon so there hasn't been anything for Fed fans to celebrate. I don't understand why there has to be all this tension around Roger and Rafa. They're both very good players, they've both done very well this year and I think they're both good for the sport. But it seems like around here to praise one the other has to be put down or knocked. There are Fed fans who don't like to see Rafa doing well so they knock his play or come up with excuses for his wins, and there are Rafa fans (or those who don't like Fed) who just can't wait for him to knock Fed from the #1 spot and so ever match he wins the have to gloat about it.

ExpectedWinner
08-12-2005, 11:46 PM
Celebrate what? Roger hasn't played since Wimbledon so there hasn't been anything for Fed fans to celebrate.

Well, may be my English is not good enough. I mean wait till Roger wins Cinci and/or USO, then you can celebrate. Just today I bumped into someone's statement- " Roger is the king". Sounds a bit ridiculous to me as the gap between 1 and 2 in the race is about 100 miserable points.

As for the tension, it's always there between fans of number 1 and 2.

nobama
08-12-2005, 11:51 PM
:wavey: I have never seen you post over at GM, do you dislike it out there. I am starting to hate it a lot now. I like Rafa and his fight but his fans are putting me off. I think I will be camping out here and over at Mathieus board for the next few days. Oh well, I cant wait to see Rogi back in action, I miss him a lot which is weird because I dont really know the manProblem is there are some here who get annoyed with certain Fed fans and then post stuff just to get a rise out of them, and it usually happens whenever Rafa is involved. I wish Fed fans wouldn't take the bait and get so defensive and protective of him, because that only makes it worse. Sometimes it's obvious (to me at least) when people are trying to take the piss out of Fed fans. And some usually happily oblige. Face it, there are a lot of Nadal fans here, and they love that he's so dominant, love that he's playing well on hc, and love that he's closing in on Roger. And I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to see Nadal #1 at the end of the year. Just like I'm sure there are some Fed fans who are hoping he doesn't do well and Roger does, so Roger can remain #1.

oneandonlyhsn
08-13-2005, 12:15 AM
I dont know if you guys have seen this but here is the draw for Cincy, any thoughts

(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI vs (WC) BLAKE, James USA
KIEFER, Nicolas GER vs Q
VOLANDRI, Filippo ITA vs ROCHUS, Olivier BEL
SANTORO, Fabrice FRA vs (14) LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO

(9) CORIA, Guillermo ARG vs SRICHAPHAN, Paradorn THA
Q vs ROCHUS, Christophe BEL
EL AYNAOUI, Younes vs ACASUSO, Jose ARG
ROBREDO, Tommy ESP vs (8) GAUDIO, Gaston ARG


(4) SAFIN, Marat RUS vs Q
(WC) MURRAY, Andy GBR vs DENT, Taylor USA
MIRNYI, Max BLR vs SODERLING, Robin SWE
HRBATY, Dominik SVK vs (13) JOHANSSON, Thomas SWE

(10) PUERTA, Mariano ARG vs (WC) GINEPRI, Robby USA
Q vs FERRER, David ESP
Q vs SPADEA, Vincent USA
MOYA, Carlos ESP vs (7) AGASSI, Andre USA




(6) DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS vs GROSJEAN, Sebastien FRA
(SE) MATHIEU, Paul-Henri vs HAAS, Tommy GER
GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI vs Q
PAVEL, Andrei ROM vs (11) NALBANDIAN, David ARG

(16) GASQUET, Richard FRA vs LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP
ANCIC, Mario CRO vs MELLO, Ricardo BRA
Q vs RUSEDSKI, Greg GBR
ANDREEV, Igor RUS vs (3) HEWITT, Lleyton AUS


(5) RODDICK, Andy (USA) vs MELZER, Jurgen AUT
Q vs FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP
MARTIN, Alberto ESP vs CHELA, Juan Ignacio ARG
MASSU, Nicolas CHI vs (12) HENMAN, Tim GBR

(15) STEPANEK, Radek CZE vs (WC) MONFILS, Gael FRA
NOVAK, Jiri CZE vs BECK, Karol SVK
YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS vs SAULNIER, Cyril FRA
BERDYCH, Tomas CZE vs (2) NADAL, Rafael ESP

:scared: at having James Blake as a 1st round opponent, he is really pumped up lately and with Roger not having played for sometime. I just want him to do well for once in Cincy

Stevens Point
08-13-2005, 12:32 AM
Ljubicic in the same section!! I don't want to remember how hard it was to beat him this early year on hard coart (3 times, though...)

Tough draw as always. But he always survived tough draws, so I hope he plays well outthere. Good luck, Roger!!!

oneandonlyhsn
08-13-2005, 12:35 AM
Is Cincy best of 5 or 3 set matches?

Stevens Point
08-13-2005, 12:37 AM
Is Cincy best of 5 or 3 set matches?
I guess the matches before the final are best of 3, like the other Master Series tournaments. I don't know about the final...

oneandonlyhsn
08-13-2005, 12:39 AM
I guess the matches before the final are best of 3, like the other Master Series tournaments. I don't know about the final...

:kiss: Thank you

Skyward
08-13-2005, 12:39 AM
If he's fit to play, he should find his way through this draw. No teens in his section, lol. Kiefer can present some problems, and in form Ivan as well. We'll see.
The matches are best of 3.

lunahielo
08-13-2005, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Silvy
So I put my enegery in YES HE will win.

That's where my energy is going, too~~Silvy, dear. :)

As Avocadoe mentioned earlier~~~~~~~~~~no live scoreboard?
Does anybody know? I couldn't find it on the site.

Minnie
08-13-2005, 12:40 AM
Ljubicic in the same section!! I don't want to remember how hard it was to beat him this early year on hard coart (3 times, though...)

Tough draw as always. But he always survived tough draws, so I hope he plays well outthere. Good luck, Roger!!!

Perhaps Luby is not quite the player he was earlier in the year?? :D But I also think James Blake could be a stern test in the 1st round after Rog not having played for quite a while - but I'm sure he'll come through it. :worship:

Stevens Point
08-13-2005, 12:58 AM
Perhaps Luby is not quite the player he was earlier in the year?? :D But I also think James Blake could be a stern test in the 1st round after Rog not having played for quite a while - but I'm sure he'll come through it. :worship:
There will not be any easy match for Roger. But, Roger has certainly some better abilities to beat the opponents he faces than the opponents do against Roger.

We hope for Roger and will see how he does. :angel:

Shy
08-13-2005, 04:16 AM
Face it, there are a lot of Nadal fans here, and they love that he's so dominant, love that he's playing well on hc, and love that he's closing in on Roger. And I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to see Nadal #1 at the end of the year. Just like I'm sure there are some Fed fans who are hoping he doesn't do well and Roger does, so Roger can remain #1.
If Rafa dominates, they are going to end up hating him too anyway.This is how it works. Anyway, Good luck to Roger in Cincinnatti.

Brianna
08-13-2005, 04:26 AM
I am really looking forward to seeing Roger play in Cincy. Good luck Roger!

El Legenda
08-13-2005, 07:43 AM
Hola Roger fans. I Roger going to be playing at 100% at Cincy?

oneandonlyhsn
08-13-2005, 07:55 AM
Hola Roger fans. I Roger going to be playing at 100% at Cincy?

Hola to you too! I hope he does well too, doesnt it make you mad that he draws Ljubo again for another QF.

El Legenda
08-13-2005, 08:14 AM
I hope they both make to to 3rd round. I guess both are playing hurt a little, Ljubo has little back problem.

i hope to watch them on TV in 3rd round. Should be a good match :)

oneandonlyhsn
08-13-2005, 09:10 AM
I hope they both make to to 3rd round. I guess both are playing hurt a little, Ljubo has little back problem.

i hope to watch them on TV in 3rd round. Should be a good match :)

Yeah hopefully they wil both make it, Roger seems to have the 'I cant get through the 1st round in Cincy' mentality. Hope he breaks it this time and they both go deep into the tournie, well atleast 1 will hopefully.

RonE
08-13-2005, 10:50 AM
Not the easiest of draws but not a catastrophe as long as he is back to 100% fitness. Not having had much match practice in a long time could be a bit of a factor but if he finds a way through his first couple of matches he should be ok for the rest of the tourney. IMO he will either lose in either the 1st or 2nd round again or end up winning the event (or at least making the final if he faces piggy there and the latter is in sublime form).

yanchr
08-13-2005, 10:58 AM
I hope you are right. But isn't it somehow frightening, that the only option we talk about (in whatever tourney Roger plays) is winning it?
I was thinking exactly the same :p We have already taken too much for granted. But I doubt Roger has not wanted to win whatever tournament he plays other than clay. He has really very poor records in Cincy. I hope he can get at least three matches to play to warm up reasonably for USOpen, thinking of his current conditions.

yanchr
08-13-2005, 11:30 AM
Well, may be my English is not good enough. I mean wait till Roger wins Cinci and/or USO, then you can celebrate. Just today I bumped into someone's statement- " Roger is the king". Sounds a bit ridiculous to me as the gap between 1 and 2 in the race is about 100 miserable points.

As for the tension, it's always there between fans of number 1 and 2.
Are we celebrating already? And in a Roger fan's eye, Roger is the king, is there anything wrong? I mean, in a Nadal fan's eye, Nadal is also the king. It's just a way of how specific fans express their like for the specific player. Why have to take it so serious to remind us of the gap between 1 and 2? We should know better than you.

To be honest, there are some Fed's fans that can put anybody off. Some crazy girls think that they should bring Fed's name into an every thread, it's annoying. The others try to play down Nadal's achievements. It's stupid to say the least. Ugly or pretty, it's obvious that he can play on hc. And don't forget that Roger's game matches up badly with Nadal's. So it'd be smart to sit tight, shut up for a while and wait till your man delivers on hc this summer. Then you are free to celebrate.
Fans are equal. You said there are Fed's fans that can put anybody off while it's also true for me at least that there are Nadal's fans that can do the same treat and maybe even worse. It's the truth that Federer is still quite safe with his No.1 position. And you don't even know how some Nadal's fans will react and what they will flood the forum with to put you off when Nadal actually climbs to the No.1 ranking. You never know people's espeically fans' potential. He can play on hard court, I'm not denying that. You also don't have to remind us of their bad match-up. Again we should know better than you.

And can you pick up specific fans here posting regularly in Federer's forum who often talks shit around? If you fail to find more than three, then you'd better shut up here in the Federer forum. Save your words for those whoever deserve them. If you want to teach a lesson about how we Federer fans should behave, it's the wrong place.

Sorry for the unpleasant words here. I'm just saying, admit it or not, most Fed fans are pretty good fans, thinking of Roger's achievements already.
:wavey:

yanchr
08-13-2005, 11:35 AM
Time to cheer for Roger in Cincy :bounce:

Hope to catch him on tv. Miss him so much already.

Yasmine
08-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Sorry for the unpleasant words here. I'm just saying, admit it or not, most Fed fans are pretty good fans, thinking of Roger's achievements already.
:wavey:
I agree most Federe fans are smart but it's the same for any player you know;) In most cases a couple of trolls are enough to give a bad image of the fans as they're the ones who make themselves noticed particularly in GM (where I personally hardly go because I hate shit spread on my faves but on any player really)... So I hope Expectedwinner realises that, otherwise it's not worth going on about it;) :angel:

yanchr
08-13-2005, 01:19 PM
I agree most Federe fans are smart but it's the same for any player you know;) In most cases a couple of trolls are enough to give a bad image of the fans as they're the ones who make themselves noticed particularly in GM (where I personally hardly go because I hate shit spread on my faves but on any player really)... So I hope Expectedwinner realises that, otherwise it's not worth going on about it;) :angel:
:hug: You are right :)

I finally finished reading the 'charisma' thread in GM which I believe brought up what Expectedwinner has said. I forgave him ;) I can't help :haha: at this whole thread reading it through. If you are boring, I suggest you give it a read :p :wavey:

mitalidas
08-13-2005, 01:58 PM
I like the draw --until the SF stage its challenging but not so difficult. At the SF's probably agassi (I still don't expect marat to play let alone play well), and we'll see after that. GOOD LUCK ROJAH!!

Dirk
08-13-2005, 02:17 PM
Roger has a tough draw but he loves those. I think it's way too early to say Nadal will make the finals. This draw is tougher than his Canada one. It should be very interesting.

Fergie
08-13-2005, 02:38 PM
Hopp Rogi!!! :bounce:

ExpectedWinner
08-13-2005, 02:39 PM
Are we celebrating already? And in a Roger fan's eye, Roger is the king, is there anything wrong? I mean, in a Nadal fan's eye, Nadal is also the king. It's just a way of how specific fans express their like for the specific player. Why have to take it so serious to remind us of the gap between 1 and 2? We should know better than you.


Fans are equal. You said there are Fed's fans that can put anybody off while it's also true for me at least that there are Nadal's fans that can do the same treat and maybe even worse. It's the truth that Federer is still quite safe with his No.1 position. And you don't even know how some Nadal's fans will react and what they will flood the forum with to put you off when Nadal actually climbs to the No.1 ranking. You never know people's espeically fans' potential. He can play on hard court, I'm not denying that. You also don't have to remind us of their bad match-up. Again we should know better than you.

And can you pick up specific fans here posting regularly in Federer's forum who often talks shit around? If you fail to find more than three, then you'd better shut up here in the Federer forum. Save your words for those whoever deserve them. If you want to teach a lesson about how we Federer fans should behave, it's the wrong place.

Sorry for the unpleasant words here. I'm just saying, admit it or not, most Fed fans are pretty good fans, thinking of Roger's achievements already.
:wavey:

Hi, yanchr. I don't know where to start.

First, I've been Fed's fan since September 1999 when I saw him beating Pioline in Tashkent. Long enough, I think. So I have no idea what you or anybody else here know better than me. Also I've been playing tennis myself since 10 yo, and I dare to think that I understand the game of tennis a little bit. ;) . Probably you mistakenly took me as a Nadal's fan. I have a lot of respect for his results, but very little little appreciation for his pigbull style. :)

Second, I didn't intend to offend anyone. In real life I always say things like I see them, why should I be different here? I don't keep track of who is posting where. I decided that if I want to say smth to Fed's fans, I'd better do it here, than at the MTF. I didn't want to point a finger at anyone, I'm sure they know their names.

Third, I know that Fed's fanbase is a group of nice people with a few rotten apples who are unfortunately very loud and stupid at the MTF. It's true that some Nadal's, Roddick's fans are no better, if not worse. But if your neighbor comes home drunk every night and beats up his wife, it doesn't mean you should follow his example. As a dominant No1, Federer is naturally hated the most; a lot of people would love to see his fall. So in my opinion, it wouldn't hurt if Fed's fans behaved smart and left comments like " Federer is the king" for this forum. At least for now.

Why for now? Because there's some uncertainty with his nagging injury. Because for the first time there is a real danger for his No 1 ranking. Because he's 24 yo. lol. I beleive that 24-25 is a bit of a crossroad for a tennis player like Roger. The body of a professonal player at this age is a little worn out already and doesn't recuperate as fast as at 18-19. He has to set his priorities. It might mean that he'll be concentrating on Slams only. It might mean that he''ll have to give up on no1 ranking. Only time will tell.

Ok, I'm done with explanations. The draw in Cinci looks OK to me. The most important thing is to stay healthy.

bavaria100
08-13-2005, 02:56 PM
I am sooo happy that Roger is playing again. I´ve really missed him in the last few weeks. I am not so happy with Roger´s first round opponent. James is a dangerous player and Roger could be a little bit rusty. I think that he should win a few matches this year (unike in 2004).

But anyway, good luck Rogi!

Yasmine
08-13-2005, 02:57 PM
First, I've been Fed's fan since September 1999 when I saw him beating Pioline in Tashkent. Long enough, i I think. So I have no idea what you or anybody else here know better than me. Also I've been playing tennis myself since 10 yo, and I dare to think that I understand the game of tennis a little bit. ;) .
No offence but that's a bit arrogant to say that;) you're the one saying to stay modest here :shrug:

Third, I know that Fed's fanbase is a group of nice people with a few rotten apples who are unfortunately very loud and stupid at the MTF. It's true that some Nadal's, Roddick's fans are no better, if not worse.
that is the point!!! The trouble is you'll nener be able to avoid that kind of posters to behave that way, it's just a case of ignoring them;) see my post above

As a dominant No1, Federer is naturally hated the most; a lot of people would love to see his fall. So in my opinion, it wouldn't hurt if Fed's fans behaved smart and left comments like " Federer is the king" for this forum. At least for now.
As much as I am a federer fan, I have been fan of other players before Roger and I think fans sometimes should realise how lucky they have been with his career so far and this kind of comment even tend to annoy me sometimes :angel:

mitalidas
08-13-2005, 03:00 PM
Hopp Rogi!!! :bounce:

Fergie Roger's baby pic is extremely sweet in your av

nobama
08-13-2005, 03:08 PM
Seems there are some threads on GM that are just flames, just there to get people all riled up, and some specifically to wind up over sensitive Fed fans. It's best to ignore them or at least try to get it back to a more civilized discussion. But I don't think most Fed fans are there proclaming Roger to be king of the world on a daily basis. It's all about Nadal right now anyway. Seems to be a double standard though as I don't see many people (if any at all) complaining about all the Rafa gushing over there. But yet a few Fed fans are a bit obnoxious (sometimes baited by others) and we're told to be quiet and shut up? :scratch:

ExpectedWinner
08-13-2005, 03:09 PM
No offence but that's a bit arrogant to say that;) you're the one saying to stay modest here :shrug:





I was replying to this.

Why have to take it so serious to remind us of the gap between 1 and 2? We should know better than you.



You also don't have to remind us of their bad match-up. Again we should know better than you.




If someone explains to me who are "we", and what "they" know better than me, I don't mind to admit that I was in the dark. But right now I don't quite understand what's it all about. :confused:

Edited to add: Never mind. I've got a PM from the original poster. It's all clear now. Thanks yanchr. :hug:

Shy
08-13-2005, 03:45 PM
Anyone from Cincy? News??

Silvy:wavey:
From what I read, Roger arrived on thursday and did a training session at 10 pm and a two hour training session on friday.

yanchr
08-13-2005, 04:24 PM
Edited to add: Never mind. I've got a PM from the original poster. It's all clear now. Thanks yanchr. :hug:
It's alright :hug: Better to make things more clear than not between Fed fans :wavey:

So I guess we'd better collect our focus on how Roger will perform in his next--after his unprecedentedly long break :rolleyes:--tournament rather than get ourselves involved in that kind of messy talk about Nadal vs Roger.

So Go Roger Go :bounce: You'd better shut people up like you always do :bounce:

Stevens Point
08-13-2005, 04:40 PM
Roger has met Blake only once, and that was US Open 2003. Roger won in straight sets including one tiebreak. Good luck, Roger!!

SUKTUEN
08-13-2005, 04:49 PM
Play Jame in first round~!~~ :eek:

When will Roger play? Monday? :D :D

Dirk
08-13-2005, 05:07 PM
Expected, the injury isn't serious but Roger is listening to his doctor's orders. He is smart with his schedule and won't over do it. Nadal will not catch him this year and next year both men will have lots of points to defend. Roger won't lose number one unless he gets bored or injuried. The next player will have to make the game look easy and play such a style. Nadal's style is too physical for dominance vs. Federer's. Roger should be fine for Cincy and the USO.

SUKTUEN
08-13-2005, 05:15 PM
Yes , Dirk~!!!!
Roger play so smooth and graceful , so Roger can keep Health~! :D :D :devil:

Nadal play too power over~~ :o

oneandonlyhsn
08-13-2005, 05:31 PM
I am getting excited about seeing Rogi, hopp Rogi hopp :bounce:

SUKTUEN
08-13-2005, 05:40 PM
I also Miss Roger~!!

See him in Monday~!!! :D :D :D

fightclubber
08-13-2005, 05:59 PM
Well, may be my English is not good enough. I mean wait till Roger wins Cinci and/or USO, then you can celebrate. Just today I bumped into someone's statement- " Roger is the king". Sounds a bit ridiculous to me as the gap between 1 and 2 in the race is about 100 miserable points.

As for the tension, it's always there between fans of number 1 and 2.
Im not sure if you got this answer, I just woke up and yestreday night I could not come here.
But the person that calls Roger king, always did it,. some of us call him Rogi, champ.. are nicknames used her, on the part dedicated to roger of the MTF, as nicknames and who post here frequently.. well we are like a big family and we put nicknames
Hope this help.
I bet Rafa fans also put nice nicknames to him!;)

SUKTUEN
08-13-2005, 06:01 PM
:eek: Slivy Where are you?

ExpectedWinner
08-13-2005, 09:13 PM
Nadal's style is too physical for dominance vs. Federer's. Roger should be fine for Cincy and the USO.


At 19 I expect him to last at least 3 seasons. Most likely he'll be picking at those years. Players whose game's cornerstone is running and retrieving in 80-85% cases are picking very early.

Hopefully you are right, and Roger's ready for the USO.

fightclubber
08-14-2005, 12:08 AM
:eek: Slivy Where are you?

At home darling
I never went away... even I wanted to!
hee hee
I was BUSY with the book at home!;)

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 12:18 AM
Ah, now they have the scoreboard... Good!

fightclubber
08-14-2005, 12:39 AM
Ah, now they have the scoreboard... Good!
wont you have live coverage steven?

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 12:46 AM
wont you have live coverage steven?
You mean on TV? I have to check out, but I doubt it... :sad: Maybe when he reaches the final... They had the live coverage from Miami final and Hamburg final.

In Argentina?

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 12:48 AM
Well, if you are interested, Roger is again playing doubles with Yves (the Halle winners!! haha!) here is the draw (pdf).

http://www.cincytennis.com/global/styles/cincinnati/common/download_redirector.asp?file=http://www.masters-series.com/posting/2005/422/MDD.pdf

PamV
08-14-2005, 12:50 AM
:wavey: I have never seen you post over at GM, do you dislike it out there. I am starting to hate it a lot now. I like Rafa and his fight but his fans are putting me off. I think I will be camping out here and over at Mathieus board for the next few days. Oh well, I cant wait to see Rogi back in action, I miss him a lot which is weird because I dont really know the man

Lately I have been seeing GM with several threads and/or comments with the purpose of bashing Roger and then if I politely point out the folly in their logic I am told to shut up because it doesn't really matter. Well.....then way all the bashing if it doesn't matter? I am sure if I posted something similar about Nadal his fans would want to say something to point out that I was incorrect. I am finding it weird. I mean....the comments are outright attempts to annoy but yet I don't see that Roger fans are provoking that or setting up the same kind of traps for Nadal fans.

PamV
08-14-2005, 12:58 AM
And don't forget that Roger's game matches up badly with Nadal's. So it'd be smart to sit tight, shut up for a while and wait till your man delivers on hc this summer. Then you are free to celebrate. :)

How can you say that Roger matches up badly to Nadal this early? They've only played 3 times and the one time on clay was of course Nadal's advantage surface. I would rather wait and see how the next 5 or so meetings go. I can take heart in that in the past Roger has conquered all of his nemesis opponents and turned around losing records. I guess the unfortunate thing is that Roger has the foot condition pricisely when he would need to run a little faster to keep up with Nadal. There's got to be some strategy for Roger to counteract what every Nadal does.

Go Roger!

PamV
08-14-2005, 01:10 AM
Seems there are some threads on GM that are just flames, just there to get people all riled up, and some specifically to wind up over sensitive Fed fans. It's best to ignore them or at least try to get it back to a more civilized discussion. But I don't think most Fed fans are there proclaming Roger to be king of the world on a daily basis. It's all about Nadal right now anyway. Seems to be a double standard though as I don't see many people (if any at all) complaining about all the Rafa gushing over there. But yet a few Fed fans are a bit obnoxious (sometimes baited by others) and we're told to be quiet and shut up? :scratch:

That is precisely what I have thought lately. It wasn't always this way. In the beginning I thought MTF was quite a nice place....but now there is a double standard where by it's open season to post ridiculous stuff about Roger and then call any of Roger's fans overly sensitive for bothering to respond. I hope you guys don't think I am one of the obnoxious Roger fans. I did get sucked into giving my opposing point of view in that Charisma thread, however I didn't bash Nadal in the process or flame any other poster. I hadn't realized that the whole thing was baiting to start with. But the principal of the thing annoys me.....to be told to shut up when all I wanted to do was to point out that NO NOT EVERYONE loves Nadal, or thinks he has charisma while Roger has none. If it's all based on opinion then what's wrong with hearing everyone's opinion?

You are right that we should ignore this and try to focus on better discussions.....but if that stuff doesn't stop, then I think we should unite and flood those baiting threads out of business.

PamV
08-14-2005, 01:20 AM
Expected, the injury isn't serious but Roger is listening to his doctor's orders. He is smart with his schedule and won't over do it. Nadal will not catch him this year and next year both men will have lots of points to defend. Roger won't lose number one unless he gets bored or injuried. The next player will have to make the game look easy and play such a style. Nadal's style is too physical for dominance vs. Federer's. Roger should be fine for Cincy and the USO.

You make some good points Dirk. Another thing I notice is that among the tennis world elite many have said Roger appears to be the best player of all time....just based on how he plays and what he has been able to do. No one has ever said that of Nadal. They do make the comparison that as Nadal has risen at such a young age is his like Becker or some others. Still I think I get nervous about Roger because I think he is that good....but if injury gets in the way it could stop him and we wouldn't see his full potential.

nobama
08-14-2005, 02:01 AM
I just get tired of all these Roger vs. Rafa threads - especially in GM. It's always got to be a competition between the two - who has more charisma, who looks better, who's a better soccer player. It's almost like to bring one up the other has to be torn down. It's obvious to me that here on MTF there are a lot of Rafa fans (or anti-Fed fans) who would love nothing more than to see him dethrone Roger and take over #1. It's best to ignore it (I know it's hard sometimes) unless there is a civilized and thoughtful discussion going on. I think it's a bit hypocritical though because no one seems to be complaining about the Rafa love fest here (especially in GM), yet they have no problem complaining about Fed fans and their gushing. The only comforting thought is knowing MTF is not representative of tennis fans in general. I mean most fans probably wouldn't get into a silly argument over who has more charisma Roger or Rafa and then turn it into a debate on Roger's sex life. That is really amaturish and childish stuff.

TenHound
08-14-2005, 02:10 AM
I agree w/you, Pam. I rarely stop there, other than to see draws, but after this discussion I stopped by. Seems to be degenerating into the usual garbage of American male corporate jock sniffer culture - anything goes as long as it's vapid & designed to get an argument going. Yawnnn.............

Shy
08-14-2005, 02:12 AM
It's obvious to me that here on MTF there are a lot of Rafa fans (or anti-Fed fans) who would love nothing more than to see him dethrone Roger and take over #1. It's best to ignore it (I know it's hard sometimes) unless there is a civilized and thoughtful discussion going on. I think it's a bit hypocritical though because no one seems to be complaining about the Rafa love fest here (especially in GM), yet they have no problem complaining about Fed fans and their gushing. .
It is only a matter of time before they have enough of Nadal too and start hating him. Popularity and succes comes with a lots of haters too. If Roger weren't as successful, there won't be that much bashing thread.It seems to me that Rafa vs Roger is the new Andy vs Roger which is pathetic.

PamV
08-14-2005, 02:33 AM
I agree w/you, Pam. I rarely stop there, other than to see draws, but after this discussion I stopped by. Seems to be degenerating into the usual garbage of American male corporate jock sniffer culture - anything goes as long as it's vapid & designed to get an argument going. Yawnnn.............

I have noticed a definite weirdness this week that wasn't there before. I am relatively new to this site, so I can't say for sure but I don't think Fed Fans should feel they can't post on at the GM or that they should just let the Rafa fans take that over. I think the reason for ever posting in the GM is to get a broader view and enjoy more variety of topics, so I would like to post in both places. Maybe we should occassionally start a neutral thread in GM just to attempt to keep it as a neutral area? Or is GM going to become the place for crackpots?

PamV
08-14-2005, 02:38 AM
I just get tired of all these Roger vs. Rafa threads - especially in GM. It's always got to be a competition between the two - who has more charisma, who looks better, who's a better soccer player. .... I mean most fans probably wouldn't get into a silly argument over who has more charisma Roger or Rafa and then turn it into a debate on Roger's sex life. That is really amaturish and childish stuff.

Good points Mirkaland. Yes, I did end up realizing that many of those in that thread might have been young teenagers so that would explain the immature statements and comparisons.

TenHound
08-14-2005, 02:42 AM
Pam, NOTHING to be said to people who don't get Roger - any more than there would have been to basketball enthusiasts who trashed Jordan. Every domain has it's idiots period. (Thuggy is the kind of player to draw the worst sort of fans anyway - in addition to normal tennis people - unlike anyone else I can think of.)

The big news in tennis this wk. is that Mathieu has Grosjean's old coach & may be on his way up to the Top 10. Might be fun. Hope Roger plays him soon. The French are really taking off in tennis! Go Paris - that's great. If only they'd take similar pride in Baghdatis whom they've groomed un Olympic Dev. Prog., and fork out bucks for him to have his own coach. (I want more Roger-Baghdatis matches - they were fun.)

nobama
08-14-2005, 03:19 AM
I think some of these rafa fans are more parinoid than any Roger fans. If someone doesn't :worship: Rafa somehow they're dissing his game and think Montreal is "the new clay" or something. I think they're just as sensitive - if not sometimes moreso - than Roger fans. Certainly there are people here who don't like Roger and cheer against his opponents when he's playing. And that seems to be perfectly fine. But boy if you don't drool all over Nadal then your're a Rafa hater or a Fed fan that's worried about Rafa becoming #1. It makes no sense. Everyone is entitled to have their favorite player, but it doesn't mean they hate other players. I mean just because Roger's my #1 guy doesn't mean I hate Rafa. But I'm not going to drool over him, just like I don't with most players on the tour.

PamV
08-14-2005, 03:30 AM
Pam, NOTHING to be said to people who don't get Roger - any more than there would have been to basketball enthusiasts who trashed Jordan. Every domain has it's idiots period. (Thuggy is the kind of player to draw the worst sort of fans anyway - in addition to normal tennis people - unlike anyone else I can think of.)

True...but I don't think all the posters at GM are necessarily Nadal finatics. Isn't there room for something else to talk about?

The big news in tennis this wk. is that Mathieu has Grosjean's old coach & may be on his way up to the Top 10. Might be fun. Hope Roger plays him soon. The French are really taking off in tennis! Go Paris - that's great. If only they'd take similar pride in Baghdatis whom they've groomed un Olympic Dev. Prog., and fork out bucks for him to have his own coach. (I want more Roger-Baghdatis matches - they were fun.)

From the little I was able to see Mathieu is much improved and certainly looks like he will become top 10 material. Recently I think Gasquet became the top ranked French player.....but now I wonder if Mathieu will over take Gasquet? Seeing Roger play any of them would be fun....but of course I want Roger to beat them!

PamV
08-14-2005, 03:34 AM
Certainly there are people here who don't like Roger and cheer against his opponents when he's playing. And that seems to be perfectly fine. But boy if you don't drool all over Nadal then your're a Rafa hater or a Fed fan that's worried about Rafa becoming #1. It makes no sense.

I think if people want to have only one sided debates and lots of drooling over thier favorite then they should be posting in that player's separate area. I mean here we Roger fans know we can obsess about Roger and we don't expect to hear much criticism of him. They can have that too but not in a GM area. Don't people realize that it's open season to say pros and cons about anyone in the GM?

fightclubber
08-14-2005, 03:42 AM
You mean on TV? I have to check out, but I doubt it... :sad: Maybe when he reaches the final... They had the live coverage from Miami final and Hamburg final.

In Argentina?

Yes
Ill try to see all I possible can
I was thinking when I get some extra money I can try to buy a web cam so my pals can see the matches
I can put the camera looking at tv.. and maybe you can see it!
haa haaa
Im a bit broken after "the"thing but Ill do my best:wavey:

RogiFan88
08-14-2005, 04:12 AM
Can someone pls tell me the US TV sched for CINCY? Is it ALL ESPN or also NBC or one of those stations on the weekend. Just wondering...

I wondered if Rogi was playing dbles and yes, he is, as I suspected -- getting ready for the h/c AND for DC w Yves. ;)

RogiFan88
08-14-2005, 04:39 AM
...time to find a new avatar now that Rogi will be in action soon! ;) [thanks for keeping me company, Gasti!] ;)

oneandonlyhsn
08-14-2005, 04:55 AM
Pam, NOTHING to be said to people who don't get Roger - any more than there would have been to basketball enthusiasts who trashed Jordan. Every domain has it's idiots period. (Thuggy is the kind of player to draw the worst sort of fans anyway - in addition to normal tennis people - unlike anyone else I can think of.)

The big news in tennis this wk. is that Mathieu has Grosjean's old coach & may be on his way up to the Top 10. Might be fun. Hope Roger plays him soon. The French are really taking off in tennis! Go Paris - that's great. If only they'd take similar pride in Baghdatis whom they've groomed un Olympic Dev. Prog., and fork out bucks for him to have his own coach. (I want more Roger-Baghdatis matches - they were fun.)

Ditto, I really like Rafa but I think Baghdatis and Gasquet are the 2 most exciting young players out there. Then again I love flashy players more than anything else, I guess that is why I love me some Federer. I have tried avoiding any if all Roger threads on GM, I have been so mad these last few days with work and everything else. However my dear Mathieu :hearts: gave me a whole heap to cheer about this week.

Anyway, I just changed my siggy for Cincy, allez Roger, allez :bounce:

TenHound
08-14-2005, 04:57 AM
Pam, considering it by way of analogy - this is the MTF Wine Bar; the rest of MTF is the BudBar!! But you raise an interesting question. Maybe you'd want to start a new thread here - along the lines of "Other Interesting Matches/Players we've enjoyed". That would allow us to could discuss others as we see them while maintaining the unique character we've developed here.

World Beater
08-14-2005, 05:32 AM
I think some of these rafa fans are more parinoid than any Roger fans. If someone doesn't :worship: Rafa somehow they're dissing his game and think Montreal is "the new clay" or something. I think they're just as sensitive - if not sometimes moreso - than Roger fans. Certainly there are people here who don't like Roger and cheer against his opponents when he's playing. And that seems to be perfectly fine. But boy if you don't drool all over Nadal then your're a Rafa hater or a Fed fan that's worried about Rafa becoming #1. It makes no sense. Everyone is entitled to have their favorite player, but it doesn't mean they hate other players. I mean just because Roger's my #1 guy doesn't mean I hate Rafa. But I'm not going to drool over him, just like I don't with most players on the tour.

The main culprit is fummy. He tries to bag roger's personality because he cannot bag his game. The "real" nadal fans are quite nice to talk to actually, they know what nadal is capable of but are aware he has a long ways to go before reaching federer.

The rest of the others just dont like federer because he beats their faves so consistently that they have to vent their frustration at someone.

oneandonlyhsn
08-14-2005, 06:00 AM
The main culprit is fummy. He tries to bag roger's personality because he cannot bag his game. The "real" nadal fans are quite nice to talk to actually, they know what nadal is capable of but are aware he has a long ways to go before reaching federer.

The rest of the others just dont like federer because he beats their faves so consistently that they have to vent their frustration at someone.

Ditto he is a fan of Rafa and Andy so :lol:

World Beater
08-14-2005, 06:34 AM
Ditto he is a fan of Rafa and Andy so :lol:

its not that he is an andy or rafa fan, its just he is anti-federer. He was an andy fan and then suddenly became a nadal fan because it was convenient(he actually could challenge federer).

There are fans of rafa, and andy who dont mind federer that much at all. Devid comes to mind as an ardent rafa supporter but still staying grounded with rafa's achievements.

I think some people are overreacting to the nadal federer matchup. The problems nadal presents players are no different to the ones that he presents federer. It's not like nadal is suddenly federer's nemesis. The h-h is 2-1. Still too early.

nobama
08-14-2005, 06:41 AM
The main culprit is fummy. He tries to bag roger's personality because he cannot bag his game. The "real" nadal fans are quite nice to talk to actually, they know what nadal is capable of but are aware he has a long ways to go before reaching federer.

The rest of the others just dont like federer because he beats their faves so consistently that they have to vent their frustration at someone.All I know is I said that I thought Rafa had an easy draw so he should be in the finals and somehow that was interpreted/twisted into that I think Roger is god, Rafa's no good and Montreal is a slow hard court/the new clay. No where did I ever mention the court/conditions or Roger. I think what some non-Fed fans complain about they're sometimes guilty of themselves. And since Roger's been "off the reservation" for 6 weeks or so it's not like GM has been flooded with posts about Roger and how wonderful he is, what a god he is, ect. Bottom line is right now in GM it's ok to drool and marvel over Rafa, but with Roger you need to be quiet or temper that praise, lest someone think you're being too boastful or annoying. Because of course the only annoying fans are Fed fans.

etiage
08-14-2005, 09:42 AM
hi
finally decided to post for a 2nd time
wishing roger luck in cincy

oneandonlyhsn
08-14-2005, 09:43 AM
hi
finally decided to post for a 2nd time
wishing roger luck in cincy

:wavey: Wow hey and plz post more :D

World Beater
08-14-2005, 10:45 AM
All I know is I said that I thought Rafa had an easy draw so he should be in the finals and somehow that was interpreted/twisted into that I think Roger is god, Rafa's no good and Montreal is a slow hard court/the new clay. No where did I ever mention the court/conditions or Roger. I think what some non-Fed fans complain about they're sometimes guilty of themselves. And since Roger's been "off the reservation" for 6 weeks or so it's not like GM has been flooded with posts about Roger and how wonderful he is, what a god he is, ect. Bottom line is right now in GM it's ok to drool and marvel over Rafa, but with Roger you need to be quiet or temper that praise, lest someone think you're being too boastful or annoying. Because of course the only annoying fans are Fed fans.

Rafa is the "in kid"...its the recency effect at its best. He's doing well, so he's the talk of MTF, while fed is somewhere getting a massage from mirka. What i don't like is how everyone is trying to compare the two as if nadal is on federer's level, which i disagree with. Nadal still has to show us some "stuff" and make his arrival on non-clay surfaces official

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 11:24 AM
Yes
Ill try to see all I possible can
I was thinking when I get some extra money I can try to buy a web cam so my pals can see the matches
I can put the camera looking at tv.. and maybe you can see it!
haa haaa
Im a bit broken after "the"thing but Ill do my best:wavey:
Wow, Silvy! You are so nice that you could do such a thing for us!! You already earned a lot of respect from many people by presenting the book to Roger. Silvy, you rock! :worship:

nobama
08-14-2005, 03:02 PM
Rafa is the "in kid"...its the recency effect at its best. He's doing well, so he's the talk of MTF, while fed is somewhere getting a massage from mirka. What i don't like is how everyone is trying to compare the two as if nadal is on federer's level, which i disagree with. Nadal still has to show us some "stuff" and make his arrival on non-clay surfaces officialI think some Rafa fans are paranoid. If you don't drool all over him that means you don't think he can play or think he's only good on clay. :scratch: They've even resorted to bumping up old threds were a few Fed fans (esp. Dirk) said Rafa wouldn't do well on surfaces other than clay. Ok I think the point has been proven ad nauseum that Rafa's got incredible game and will do well on hardcourt.

I can't wait until next week when everybody's back in action. Especially since Marat, Andy and Lleytons results will factor into how they're seeded at the US Open. Roger and Rafa are safe so there's no drama there.

Shy
08-14-2005, 04:33 PM
Ditto, I really like Rafa but I think Baghdatis and Gasquet are the 2 most exciting young players out there. Then again I love flashy players more than anything else, I guess that is why I love me some Federer.
I mn kind of indiffferent toward Rafa except when he play people that I like. I prefer flashy players. I guess that would make me a hater according to the GM people. I can't wait when Gasquet reach his potential.

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 04:44 PM
At home darling
I never went away... even I wanted to!
hee hee
I was BUSY with the book at home!;)

I know you at home, I mean where you go ? :p
Long time no come here? :confused:

Brianna
08-14-2005, 04:49 PM
I think some Rafa fans are paranoid. If you don't drool all over him that means you don't think he can play or think he's only good on clay. :scratch: They've even resorted to bumping up old threds were a few Fed fans (esp. Dirk) said Rafa wouldn't do well on surfaces other than clay. Ok I think the point has been proven ad nauseum that Rafa's got incredible game and will do well on hardcourt.

I can't wait until next week when everybody's back in action. Especially since Marat, Andy and Lleytons results will factor into how they're seeded at the US Open. Roger and Rafa are safe so there's no drama there.

All will be made clear by the conclusion of US Open. I just plan to watch the rest of the hardcourt season unfold. Let's wait and see how much bragging and boasting is taking place at that point. Good luck Roger in Cincy and at the US Open.:)

yanchr
08-14-2005, 04:54 PM
its not that he is an andy or rafa fan, its just he is anti-federer. He was an andy fan and then suddenly became a nadal fan because it was convenient(he actually could challenge federer).
This is so damn right :worship:
There are fans of rafa, and andy who dont mind federer that much at all. Devid comes to mind as an ardent rafa supporter but still staying grounded with rafa's achievements.
Agree with the first sentence, but hey are you kidding to have named this guy as an example? This is the guy who claimed a below-par Nadal can beat an in-form Federer on clay. If you think so too, then well...
I think some people are overreacting to the nadal federer matchup. The problems nadal presents players are no different to the ones that he presents federer. It's not like nadal is suddenly federer's nemesis. The h-h is 2-1. Still too early.
You see, Federer are taking so long a time off that people actually begin to miss him, not only us his fans...

Shy
08-14-2005, 04:58 PM
You see, Federer are taking so long a time off that people actually begin to miss him, not only us his fans...
You know that Federer isn't even in Montreal, but he got mention like 20 times during the Rafa match by the commentator.

Doris Loeffel
08-14-2005, 05:03 PM
Just a short Good luck, viu Glück, bonne Chance in Cincy Roger!!!
Good to have you back on the tennis courts!!

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 05:05 PM
Good Luck Roger~!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

GOD Please Bless Roger Health and Powerfiul~!!!
Please~~!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

RogiFan88
08-14-2005, 05:06 PM
"You see, Federer are taking so long a time off that people actually begin to miss him, not only us his fans..."

You are so right, yanchr!! lol! Actually the haters miss Rogi more than his fans do!! They just can't stop talking about him [or rather trashing him] so don't worry -- it's when they stop talking about him that one s start to worry!!! ;)

yanchr
08-14-2005, 05:07 PM
I think some Rafa fans are paranoid. If you don't drool all over him that means you don't think he can play or think he's only good on clay. :scratch: They've even resorted to bumping up old threds were a few Fed fans (esp. Dirk) said Rafa wouldn't do well on surfaces other than clay. Ok I think the point has been proven ad nauseum that Rafa's got incredible game and will do well on hardcourt.
See the opponents that he bumped into in this Montreal. I still keep my reservation as for his ability to do well on fast hard courts. He's got incredible game, ya, incredibly ugly but unfortunately efficient game.

Some of his fans are acting like Nadal has already climbed over Roger to be the No.1, which in my eyes, is still quite a long way to go. And they are like, Nadal now is in the same level as Roger, can play well on all surfaces, even will soon surpass Roger to be the king. I can't imagine what will happen if Nadal really does that all one day (which I hope and think won't). Some Nadal fans out there are really making me sick every time I see their ID. So better just ignore them.

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 05:08 PM
I MISS HIM TOO!

Nocko
08-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Yeah, exactlly! :devil:

yanchr
08-14-2005, 05:12 PM
You know that Federer isn't even in Montreal, but he got mention like 20 times during the Rafa match by the commentator.
Yeah, the commentators just couldn't help that :lol: I heard his name numerous times when I was watching Nadal matches. I know the commentator esp the older one just miss Roger so much like we do ;)

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 05:15 PM
My GOD~!!!

Nadal vs Agaiss ~!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

yanchr
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
"You see, Federer are taking so long a time off that people actually begin to miss him, not only us his fans..."

You are so right, yanchr!! lol! Actually the haters miss Rogi more than his fans do!! They just can't stop talking about him [or rather trashing him] so don't worry -- it's when they stop talking about him that one s start to worry!!! ;)
They esp some Nadal fans are eager to force Roger out to play by trashing him so that they can see their fav beat Roger again to be throned officially, which will unfortunately throw themselves into another embarrassment because Roger will probably put their fav in their place relentlessly when they meet again actually :devil: Or at least I hope so ;)

Ya you are right. We have to worry when they stop talking about him, not now :wavey:

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 05:26 PM
I do not like Nadal~!
Not because he beat Roger~~
I think this boy is too proud of himself~ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

RogiFan88
08-14-2005, 05:32 PM
Re: today's Montreal final betw. AA and Rafa -- the crowd is loving Rafa but they have a soft spot for old Baldy who is so happy jumping up and down like Rafa -- he played well vs. Greg last night, serving 90% 1st serves in 1st set but he has not yet met his match -- that's for today. Same w Rafa altho PHM played quite well all week -- his best ever I think.

Crowd definitely on AA's side I can assure you that anyway. They keep thinking this will be his last appearance -- if only...

RogiFan88
08-14-2005, 05:33 PM
Suktuen, Rafa is not too proud and I can attest to that personally. ;)

Nocko
08-14-2005, 05:36 PM
Well, I don't like Nadal's play style, but I think he has nice personality.
But I don't like his play style.... but I think his personality is nice.
But i don't like his play style....but I admit that he is a great player.
But I don't like his tennis.... ...... :o :o :p :p

ExpectedWinner
08-14-2005, 05:45 PM
How can you say that Roger matches up badly to Nadal this early? They've only played 3 times and the one time on clay was of course Nadal's advantage surface. I would rather wait and see how the next 5 or so meetings go. I can take heart in that in the past Roger has conquered all of his nemesis opponents and turned around losing records. Go Roger!


You see, I live in the present, not in the past, not in the future. Federer has not beaten Nadal convinscingly yet. He won 4 sets out of 11 played. With Nadal across the net for some reason he's unable to play his own game, comitting uncharacteristic amount of ue. The worst part is that all this is happening in Roger's prime time when he's been brushing away the rest of the tour with relative ease on regular basis.

I didn't say that he can't turn this around. But it took a while to figure out Hewitt, Henman and some others.
At 24 time is not on his side. He'd better find the antidote rather quickly.

Also I'm afraid that the antidote is some raw power. Will Roger turn into smart Gonzalez with Safin's bh and Pim's serve? I don't think so. I really want to be wrong about that. Let's see what Agassi will be able to do. But it's hard to imagine the senior citizen of the tour to pull off 2 1/2 matches in a matter of 24 hours.

* Note to Nadal's fans: please don't bother with your positive reps any more. First of all, I don't care about this stuff. Second, I'm not rooting for your man and don't see it's happening in the future. I'm a long time Federer's fan, just without pink glasses.

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 05:55 PM
I think he is too proud

nobama
08-14-2005, 06:11 PM
I think some people are overreacting to the nadal federer matchup. The problems nadal presents players are no different to the ones that he presents federer. It's not like nadal is suddenly federer's nemesis. The h-h is 2-1. Still too early.Ah, but Roger's 24 so times running out... ;)

nobama
08-14-2005, 06:19 PM
See the opponents that he bumped into in this Montreal. I still keep my reservation as for his ability to do well on fast hard courts. He's got incredible game, ya, incredibly ugly but unfortunately efficient game.Well I brought up the point in GM that I thought Nadal had an easy draw in Montreal and so I'm not surprised he's in the final. Of course that didn't go over too well. But look who he played in the SF....Mathieu. :lol: Yeah, I know he beat Roddick in R1 but if you saw the match and the way Roddick played (or didn't play) just about anyone could've beaten him. I certainly don't think that all of a sudden turns Mathieu into a good hardcourt player who could beat Nadal (though he did play him tough). I'm still waiting to see what he does in Cincy, but I imagine if he doesn't go far the Rafa brigade will be out in full force saying he's tired or will have some other excuse.


Some of his fans are acting like Nadal has already climbed over Roger to be the No.1, which in my eyes, is still quite a long way to go. And they are like, Nadal now is in the same level as Roger, can play well on all surfaces, even will soon surpass Roger to be the king. I can't imagine what will happen if Nadal really does that all one day (which I hope and think won't). Some Nadal fans out there are really making me sick every time I see their ID. So better just ignore them.What annoys me is some of the same folks who whine about fans drooling all over Roger have no problem with Rafa fans doing the same thing. And I think there are a lot of posters in GM who are doing it just to piss off and get under the skin of Fed fans. But I still say most of them are just as touchy and paranoid about their boy Rafa as any Fed fan here is about Rogi.

nobama
08-14-2005, 06:20 PM
You know that Federer isn't even in Montreal, but he got mention like 20 times during the Rafa match by the commentator.All good, I hope. :lol:

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 06:22 PM
Ah, but Roger's 24 so times running out... ;)

THAT'S RIGHT~! :D

nobama
08-14-2005, 06:23 PM
Going back to the whole charisma thing for a second, I found this quote from J.J Carter, ATP Tour director of public relations. This was published last year around the time of the Masters Cup.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/14/news_pf/Sports/America_s_love_affair.shtml
"People jump to the conclusion (that Federer is dull). So many compare him to Pete Sampras. But the comparison between him and Pete stops when he walks off the court. Roger's very well-liked among the players. He jokes around and plays pingpong and pool with them. I think if people had the opportunity to talk to him or see and speak to him, they wouldn't say he's shy, quiet or boring."

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 06:31 PM
????

yanchr
08-14-2005, 06:32 PM
* Note to Nadal's fans: please don't bother with your positive reps any more. First of all, I don't care about this stuff. Second, I'm not rooting for your man and don't see it's happening in the future. I'm a long time Federer's fan, just without pink glasses.
:lol: See it's not ONLY me who misunderstood you. You should tell them in their forum :devil:

Shabazza
08-14-2005, 06:33 PM
back in time for Roger's conquest of cinci :)- come on Roger get Nadal back to the place he belongs - as 2nd best :yeah:

yanchr
08-14-2005, 06:35 PM
What annoys me is some of the same folks who whine about fans drooling all over Roger have no problem with Rafa fans doing the same thing. And I think there are a lot of posters in GM who are doing it just to piss off and get under the skin of Fed fans. But I still say most of them are just as touchy and paranoid about their boy Rafa as any Fed fan here is about Rogi.
Yes, but a little point here, we are as touchy as Nadal fans, but not as paranoid ;)

SUKTUEN
08-14-2005, 06:36 PM
when will Roger play?

ExpectedWinner
08-14-2005, 06:38 PM
:lol: See it's not ONLY me who misunderstood you. You should tell them in their forum :devil:

But they give me good reps for my posts here. :lol: I've never been in their forum, btw.

ytben
08-14-2005, 06:50 PM
I have to re-read the thread title to make sure I didn't enter the wrong thread :p I thought this is the Cinci cheering thread, what's with the Rafa talks here?
I am so out of loops, I haven't been online for weeks :o

That is a quite tough draw for Roger's first tournament, but what can you expect at a master right?

Good luck Rogi :bounce: I hope he will come our reenergized & no more foot problem :D

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 06:58 PM
I have to re-read the thread title to make sure I didn't enter the wrong thread :p I thought this is the Cinci cheering thread, what's with the Rafa talks here?
I am so out of loops, I haven't been online for weeks :o

That is a quite tough draw for Roger's first tournament, but what can you expect at a master right?

Good luck Rogi :bounce: I hope he will come our reenergized & no more foot problem :D
ytben!! Long time no see! :wavey:

I was thinking about the same thing. This is Cincy cheering thread, but it seems the discussion (used to be a nasty fight) in GM spread overhere. I was wondering if someone like me could open a new thread for this Roger-Rafa talk, but I doubt they would move there and continue...

back to normal. Roger, I hope you do well in the first match since Wimbledon final!! :D

Shabazza
08-14-2005, 07:04 PM
ytben!! Long time no see! :wavey:

I was thinking about the same thing. This is Cincy cheering thread, but it seems the discussion (used to be a nasty fight) in GM spread overhere. I was wondering if someone like me could open a new thread for this Roger-Rafa talk, but I doubt they would move there and continue...

back to normal. Roger, I hope you do well in the first match since Wimbledon final!! :D
the Roger-Rafa talk is still going - good to see that some things will never change - even if it gets annoying ;)

ytben
08-14-2005, 07:12 PM
Stevens Point san :wavey: :D

Yeah my wish at Cinci is for Roger to get few matches under his belt. I won't expect too much here after such a long layoff (Disclaimer: I am not saying he can't win it before anyone jump all over me :p Just saying I wont be disappointed if he doesn't win the whole thing). I certainly hope he won't be out in the first round again like last year, I know his record in Cinci is not good...this'll be my nightmare for him to go to USO with only one match practice.

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 07:20 PM
Stevens Point san :wavey: :D

Yeah my wish at Cinci is for Roger to get few matches under his belt. I won't expect too much here after such a long layoff (Disclaimer: I am not saying he can't win it before anyone jump all over me :p Just saying I wont be disappointed if he doesn't win the whole thing). I certainly hope he won't be out in the first round again like last year, I know his record in Cinci is not good...this'll be my nightmare for him to go to USO with only one match practice.
True, I want him to have as much practice as possible for US Open. Best is he wins this Cincy tournament!! I will be disappointed if he loses early (again). (but I think I will be also disappointed if he doesn't win this tournament... :o ) But my hope is that he gets good feeling for US Open in this Cincy tournament. But, I repeat. Win them all would be sweet!! :D

fightclubber
08-14-2005, 08:15 PM
Wow I do not come for a couple of hours.... and... this get lots of new post
The only bad thing is this is more about Rafa agaist Rogi than Rogi and Cincy Good luck thread.
So please, the ones that want to dicuss about roger and rafa.. maybe you can create another thread? And we all talk here about Roger and Cincy? As we alywas had our Good luck threads???
What do you think guys???
:wavey:
silvy

oneandonlyhsn
08-14-2005, 08:22 PM
Good Luck Roger~!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

GOD Please Bless Roger Health and Powerfiul~!!!
Please~~!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

:worship:

ROGER http://bestsmileys.com/religous/5.gif

nobama
08-14-2005, 08:26 PM
Good idea Silvy. I'll quit with my Rafa talk. I just think it's funny how many mentions Roger's getting over in GM and he's not even playing! :lol: For people that don't like Roger they sure do talk about him a lot. :)

I see he's playing doubles too. Yea! He needs as much practice as he can get. I think it's supposed to be quite hot there. I hope the hot weather doesn't bother Rogi.

btw...does anyone know what his media schedule is prior to the US Open? I thought I read here (or maybe it was on his website) that he would be on the David Letterman show and throw out the first pitch at a Yankee's game. Plus some new interviews/photo spreads in magazines.

*M*
08-14-2005, 09:12 PM
Wow I do not come for a couple of hours.... and... this get lots of new post
The only bad thing is this is more about Rafa agaist Rogi than Rogi and Cincy Good luck thread.
So please, the ones that want to dicuss about roger and rafa.. maybe you can create another thread? And we all talk here about Roger and Cincy? As we alywas had our Good luck threads???
What do you think guys???
:wavey:
silvyHi Silvy! :wavey:

Thanks for making this good luck tournament thread! I want Roger to go far, so he gets some match play in before the Open (plus, I am going next Friday and Saturday ;)).

btw...does anyone know what his media schedule is prior to the US Open? I thought I read here (or maybe it was on his website) that he would be on the David Letterman show and throw out the first pitch at a Yankee's game. Plus some new interviews/photo spreads in magazines.I read that on his website forum too, and now I'm wondering if it was a hoax. The person said he'd be doing all these things on Aug. 25, but David Letterman is all repeats that week (according to TiVo). Oh well, even if it's not true I'd rather see him on there after the final anyway (having successfully defended his title, of course ;))

PamV
08-14-2005, 09:15 PM
You see, I live in the present, not in the past, not in the future. Federer has not beaten Nadal convinscingly yet. He won 4 sets out of 11 played. With Nadal across the net for some reason he's unable to play his own game, comitting uncharacteristic amount of ue. The worst part is that all this is happening in Roger's prime time when he's been brushing away the rest of the tour with relative ease on regular basis.



I think having played only 3 times isn't enough to draw a conclusion and further more you have to look at the circumstances each time they played. In Miami 2004 Roger had just come off winning IW and he had the flu or a cold. Not sure...but most players are weaker after having just won a big tournament days before starting a new tournament. Notice that Nadal didn't even play IW this year before he went to Miami....while Roger won IW and then went into playing Miami back to back.

In this year's Miami final Roger was coming off IW and was not as fresh as Nadal. Couple that with the fact that he really wasn't used to playing him. I am not making excuses here.....Nadal lost in Valencia right after the Miami final. Getting to finals does take a lot out of players.

Next if you look at the French Open 2005.....Nadal is simply way more comfortable on clay than Roger so it wasn't a big deal that Roger lost to him. Similarly it wasn't a big deal that Nadal lost in the 2nd round of Wimbledon because that's his worst surface.

So all in all that's why I say I would like to see more meetings when they are both equally fresh. I don't think Nadal's power is what would bother Federer. Nadal doesn't have the power of Safin or Roddick. I think what troubles him is the way Nadal gets so many balls back unexpectedly and he does it quickly. He has developed a lot of stamina to stay in long rallies.

I should think Roger can figure out what he has to do against Nadal. I hope so. If Roger had the stamina to keep up the rallies he could also tire Nadal out, coupling that with a lot of aces.

PamV
08-14-2005, 09:30 PM
Yes, but a little point here, we are as touchy as Nadal fans, but not as paranoid ;)

I was trying to find post here that I wanted to respond to but I've lost that one. Someone said that Nadal doesn't have a chance to over take Roger as the #1 ranked player this year. Is that really true? Isn't there about 1,500 - 2,000 points that separate them? If Nadal were to win the US Open and one or two MS couldn't he then over take Roger? Furthermore Roger could even lose points at the USOpen. I do think the fact that there is the the possibility of someone upsetting our Roger is the heart of the craziness on both sides. I admit to being nervous about this. Nadal is a strong player in his own way and one capable of winning a lot. He's never going to have the style that Roger has but by simply playing a lot and having so much resiliency he is adding up the points.

I feel especially bad in that Roger has the foot problem now which prevents him from playing as much as he would like. It can even hinder him like it did against Safin in the AO SF. I even feel bad because I don't think Roger ever got the attention he should have after winning 3 majors in one year. Nadal is getting more press just by virtue of winning 1 major at 19. It doesn't seem fair.

fightclubber
08-14-2005, 09:55 PM
Ok, to the ones that still want to talk about Roger and Cinci...
I juist heard ESPN LATIN AMERICA WILL SHOW THE MATCH
AROUND 6 OR 7...?? tHEY SAID SECOND TURN.
IF I FIND MORE.. ILL LET YOU KNOW

M!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY GOD.. DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE GOING!°
IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU!

SILVY:wavey:

Shy
08-14-2005, 10:23 PM
All good, I hope. :lol:
yaeah

*M*
08-14-2005, 10:26 PM
Ok, to the ones that still want to talk about Roger and Cinci...
I juist heard ESPN LATIN AMERICA WILL SHOW THE MATCH
AROUND 6 OR 7...?? tHEY SAID SECOND TURN.
IF I FIND MORE.. ILL LET YOU KNOW

M!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY GOD.. DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE GOING!°
IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU!

SILVY:wavey:Yes, a last-minute decision, so I hope Roger gets that far.

Here in the US, they're showing his match against James Blake tomorrow night at 11pm (EDT) on ESPN2.

Skyward
08-14-2005, 10:29 PM
Someone said that Nadal doesn't have a chance to over take Roger as the #1 ranked player this year. Is that really true?

It's not true.

OK, Roger is playing his 1st match tomorrow after a long break. He has to forget about points, about defending titles, about Nadals and Safins of this world. It's time for cold, boring, business like performances. LOL

http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif

Shy
08-14-2005, 10:31 PM
You see, I live in the present, not in the past, not in the future. Federer has not beaten Nadal convinscingly yet. He won 4 sets out of 11 played. With Nadal across the net for some reason he's unable to play his own game, comitting uncharacteristic amount of ue. The worst part is that all this is happening in Roger's prime time when he's been brushing away the rest of the tour with relative ease on regular basis.

I didn't say that he can't turn this around. But it took a while to figure out Hewitt, Henman and some others.
At 24 time is not on his side. He'd better find the antidote rather quickly.


*.
For every players, there are always someone that is going to trouble you. Nadal to a certain extent was like Hewitt, they get every balls back. Those kind of players will always give him a hard time. Maybe he will figure him out, maybe not.Roger propably still have at least two and three years where he can play at this level, unless injury.So, let's not start panicking.

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 10:39 PM
Good luck Roger vs Blake!!!!!


ORDER OF PLAY – MONDAY, AUGUST 15, 2005

Center Court start 11:00 AM
N Massu (CHI) vs (12)T Henman (GBR)
Not before 1:00 PM
(5)A Roddick (USA) vs J Melzer (AUT)
(9)G Coria (ARG) vs P Srichaphan (THA)
Not before 7:30 PM
(1)R Federer (SUI) vs (WC)J Blake (USA)
(16)R Gasquet (FRA) vs F Lopez (ESP)

ExpectedWinner
08-14-2005, 10:44 PM
Roger propably still have at least two and three years where he can play at this level, unless injury.So, let's not start panicking.


Exactly, 2-3 years, not 7 or 10. At 18-20 you can afford to spend a couple of years adjusting, at 24 you have to act quickly. 24 is still very young off court, but in tennis world it's a middle age. Agassi is a rare exception.

* I'm not panicking

** PamV, don't look at the entry rankings, they mean very little as the season comes close to the end. Look at the race.

PamV
08-14-2005, 10:45 PM
For every players, there are always someone that is going to trouble you. Nadal to a certain extent was like Hewitt, they get every balls back. Those kind of players will always give him a hard time. Maybe he will figure him out, maybe not.Roger propably still have at least two and three years where he can play at this level, unless injury.So, let's not start panicking.

Nadal is just like Hewitt except he's 6'1" with more power......although Hewitt has a better serve. Even their "in your face" fist pumping is the same. I don't think the fist pumping is bad except when the opponent is already whipped.

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 10:48 PM
Yes, a last-minute decision, so I hope Roger gets that far.

Here in the US, they're showing his match against James Blake tomorrow night at 11pm (EDT) on ESPN2.
ESPN not live???

PamV
08-14-2005, 10:49 PM
Exactly, 2-3 years, not 7 or 10. At 18-20 you can afford to spend a couple of years adjusting, at 24 you have to act quickly. 24 is still very young off court, but in tennis world it's a middle age. Agassi is a rare exeption.

* I'm not panicking

** PamV, don't look at the entry rankings, they mean very little as the season comes close to the end. Look at the race.

The Entry rank is what determines who is the year ending #1 so isn't that more important? Sampras was #1 for six years in the Entry ranking system and that's one record that Roger wanted to match. I don't know if Sampras held that spot consecutively for 6 years or if he ever lost the spot within a year and then got it back by year's end.

Sorry to mess up the Cincy cheering thread....but I did start a new thread about the #1 rank if you all want to discuss this there.

Shy
08-14-2005, 10:49 PM
Exactly, 2-3 years, not 7 or 10. At 18-20 you can afford to spend a couple of years adjusting, at 24 you have to act quickly. 24 is still very young off court, but in tennis world it's a middle age. Agassi is a rare exception.

*.
It depends of how physical your game is, I don't think that a guy like Hewitt and even Nadal can afford 7 or 8 years to adjust thing.

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 10:52 PM
Well, to all talking about Roger-Rafa whatever, could you discuss it in Pam's thread which she created for your further discussion? This is Roger and Cincinnati Tournament thread... ;) :worship:

Please?? : :bowdown:

Shy
08-14-2005, 10:53 PM
Well, to all talking about Roger-Rafa whatever, could you discuss it in Pam's thread which she created for your further discussion? This is Roger and Cincinnati Tournament thread... ;) :worship:

Please?? : :bowdown:Good idea. I hope that Roger does well in Cincy.

PamV
08-14-2005, 10:54 PM
For every players, there are always someone that is going to trouble you. Nadal to a certain extent was like Hewitt, they get every balls back. Those kind of players will always give him a hard time. Maybe he will figure him out, maybe not.Roger propably still have at least two and three years where he can play at this level, unless injury.So, let's not start panicking.

I think Roger already figured Nadal out in Miami, but it will be a question of executing what he wants to do and readjusting if Nadal changes anything. Regarding the 2 or 3 years thing........as I see it Roger can't slack off at all he has to focus and fight hard. Look what happened to Roddick. He was considered the greatest thing since sliced bread in 2003. Today there seem to be so many new young players who are more athletic and talented than ever before. I really think the field is flooding with new players now.....not like in Sampras day.

PamV
08-14-2005, 10:55 PM
Yes, a last-minute decision, so I hope Roger gets that far.

Here in the US, they're showing his match against James Blake tomorrow night at 11pm (EDT) on ESPN2.

Why are they airing the match so late? :confused:

nobama
08-14-2005, 11:01 PM
Don't tell me ESPN isn't airing the match live....boo! :mad:

RogiFan88
08-14-2005, 11:11 PM
Rogi needs to do well at Cincy. Rafa has nothing to defend... neither do a lot of players, exc AA who won last year and Lleyton the finalist. Pandy was SF.

nobama
08-14-2005, 11:14 PM
Well Roger has nothing to defend either. So if he and Rafa go out early no big deal. But I do want him to do well. But since he's not played in so long hopefully he'll be pumped and ready to start showing people who's boss again. I think Cincy will be more exciting because Roger, Andy, Lleyton and Marat are all playing.

jtipson
08-14-2005, 11:23 PM
** PamV, don't look at the entry rankings, they mean very little as the season comes close to the end. Look at the race.

No, *do* look at the entry rankings, they are always relevant, and shows who is really number one at any particular time. It's the race that means very little, apart from the end of the season where it (more or less) matches the entry ranking.

*M*
08-14-2005, 11:24 PM
Don't tell me ESPN isn't airing the match live....boo! :mad:They'll be showing Little League Baseball at that time :rolleyes: . Heck, I'm glad they're showing him at all. Of course, maybe it's just because he's playing an American :) . Too bad he drew James in the first round, though.

I'm surprised Marat is playing. I hope he doesn't do more damage to his knee by coming back too early.

RogiFan, I'm glad to see you changed your avatar :yeah:.

oneandonlyhsn
08-14-2005, 11:25 PM
Rogi needs to do well at Cincy. Rafa has nothing to defend... neither do a lot of players, exc AA who won last year and Lleyton the finalist. Pandy was SF.

Me too, allez Roger, allez

ExpectedWinner
08-14-2005, 11:27 PM
No, *do* look at the entry rankings, they are always relevant, and shows who is really number one at any particular time. It's the race that means very little, apart from the end of the season where it (more or less) matches the entry ranking.


I meant don't look at them if you want to see if someone has a chance to overcome No1 by the end of the year.

jtipson
08-14-2005, 11:27 PM
Rogi needs to do well at Cincy. Rafa has nothing to defend... neither do a lot of players, exc AA who won last year and Lleyton the finalist. Pandy was SF.

All the Cincy points were off before Montreal started, so players are defending either the Olympics or Washington this week, or their worst optional (whatever tournament that happens to be).

jtipson
08-14-2005, 11:29 PM
I meant don't look at them if you want to see if someone has a chance to overcome No1 by the end of the year.

Oh I see :) Personally I prefer to use the entry ranking for that as well ;)

ExpectedWinner
08-14-2005, 11:32 PM
Oh I see :) Personally I prefer to use the entry ranking for that as well ;)

That double math can be a little confusing at times. But Imo the race really reflects how someone 's doing at present time.

PamV
08-14-2005, 11:35 PM
No, *do* look at the entry rankings, they are always relevant, and shows who is really number one at any particular time. It's the race that means very little, apart from the end of the season where it (more or less) matches the entry ranking.

That's right. For this reason it's important to look at what Entry points a player has to defend going into a tournament. With the ATP race it's just straightforward points given out. However, to get a feel for what's at stake you have to see that for example Roger has 1000 points to defend going into the USOpen, while Rafa lost early in 2004 so he wouldn't get any points subtracted even if he lost in the 2nd round.

I did move this discussion of Race vs. Entry over to that other thread about the #1 spot.

Raquel
08-14-2005, 11:38 PM
Good luck Roger :hug:

PamV
08-14-2005, 11:38 PM
That double math can be a little confusing at times. But Imo the race really reflects how someone 's doing at present time.

Yes....present time but that doesn't mean much at the start of the year for example. Also as there are no points replaced from year to year in the RACE it doesn't tell you a players true status. It also doesn't determine seeding. I think the RACE was just an invention to get people excited about the Year End Master's Cup.

PamV
08-14-2005, 11:43 PM
Well Roger has nothing to defend either. So if he and Rafa go out early no big deal. But I do want him to do well. But since he's not played in so long hopefully he'll be pumped and ready to start showing people who's boss again. I think Cincy will be more exciting because Roger, Andy, Lleyton and Marat are all playing.

Yes, it will be more exciting but only IF the top players are playing well. Do you think Andy and Lleyton might lose early again? They haven't looked good at all lately.

As for Roger, I am quite curious how he might have been training during this time off.

PamV
08-14-2005, 11:45 PM
I'm surprised Marat is playing. I hope he doesn't do more damage to his knee by coming back too early.



I think he should lose early just to play it safe.

Shy
08-14-2005, 11:47 PM
Considering that he has not been playing Montreal and that he has more time to adapt to cincinnatti, do you guys think that he can do better than the past?

ExpectedWinner
08-14-2005, 11:53 PM
Yes....present time but that doesn't mean much at the start of the year for example. .

That's why I told you in my initial post- "the entry ranking doesn't mean much as the year comes close to the end (in terms of who has chances to become NO1 at the end of the year). Of course, the seeding will be done according to the entry ranking.

Stevens Point
08-14-2005, 11:53 PM
Considering that he has not been playing Montreal and that he has more time to adapt to cincinnatti, do you guys think that he can do better than the past?
I believe he can. At least I hope he can! :)

nobama
08-14-2005, 11:55 PM
Yes, it will be more exciting but only IF the top players are playing well. Do you think Andy and Lleyton might lose early again? They haven't looked good at all lately.

As for Roger, I am quite curious how he might have been training during this time off.Well Lleyton went out because he was sick with the flu I think, other than that he hasn't played since Wimbledon. Andy hasn't looked great this summer but I'd never count him out. And Roger - there will be no negative thoughts entering my mind. He won Miami which he had never won before, so he can win Cincy too. Allez Rogi! :yeah:

nobama
08-14-2005, 11:56 PM
Has anyone seen Roger practicing? I just wonder how he's looking since he hasn't played a HC match since Miami.

PamV
08-15-2005, 12:17 AM
And Roger - there will be no negative thoughts entering my mind. He won Miami which he had never won before, so he can win Cincy too. Allez Rogi! :yeah:

Of course he can win Cincy! Last year going in to the US Open I remember how the media and commentators were all saying that as great as Roger is, it would be difficult for him to ever win the USOpen because of the noise and wind, and rowdy crowds etc. They judged him on some past USOpen results, I guess.

Roger lost early in Cincy last year, but people need to remember that he'd just come off of winning Wimbledon, Gastaad, Toronto. He already had so many points that no one could touch him so Cincy was not that important in 2004.

PamV
08-15-2005, 12:20 AM
Considering that he has not been playing Montreal and that he has more time to adapt to cincinnatti, do you guys think that he can do better than the past?

Of course. Why not? Look at how many hard court tournaments Roger has already won this year. The only thing to worry about would be his feet.

PamV
08-15-2005, 12:21 AM
Has anyone seen Roger practicing? I just wonder how he's looking since he hasn't played a HC match since Miami.

Who are the posters that are actually going to Cincy? I thought about trying to go there for a couple of days. I wish I could. I've never seen Roger play in person.

nobama
08-15-2005, 12:23 AM
Of course he can win Cincy! Last year going in to the US Open I remember how the media and commentators were all saying that as great as Roger is, it would be difficult for him to ever win the USOpen because of the noise and wind, and rowdy crowds etc. They judged him on some past USOpen results, I guess.

Roger lost early in Cincy last year, but people need to remember that he'd just come off of winning Wimbledon, Gastaad, Toronto. He already had so many points that no one could touch him so Cincy was not that important in 2004.And wasn't he really tired to? He knows it's a lot tighter this year, so I think his concentration will be better than ever. During Wimbledon he said nothing other than winning the tournament would be satisfactory. And of course we all know what he did. Yes I remember what they said about the US Open. And Mirka even said during practice Roger looked horrible, but then he went on to win the thing.

nobama
08-15-2005, 12:25 AM
Who are the posters that are actually going to Cincy? I thought about trying to go there for a couple of days. I wish I could. I've never seen Roger play in person.I saw him play the final at Indian Wells this year and it was amazing. I didn't get to see him up close or see him practice. I'll be in Indian Wells again next year for the last weekend of the tournament so hopefully Roger will go deep and I'll get to see him again.

ExpectedWinner
08-15-2005, 12:28 AM
Usually he 's not that bad after a break.
Actually he hit the best form in the 1 st tournament of the year after a long lay-off, his tennis was unreal in Doha. Too bad it did not translate into the AO. I think it was a mistake to play both Doha and Kyong. He took exhibitions in Kyong too seriously, in my opinion. Even so he's never done well at Cinci, it's still a hc. Federer is a very good hc player. As he entered doubles, I'm assuming his injury is healed.

PamV
08-15-2005, 12:42 AM
And wasn't he really tired to? He knows it's a lot tighter this year, so I think his concentration will be better than ever.

Right.

I am wondering why people are implying that Cincy would be so difficult just because he lost early there before? Is there anything different about the courts or conditions? Isn't it always just a question of how Roger is feeling physically and whether he really wants it or not?

nobama
08-15-2005, 12:52 AM
I kinda hope that Nadal goes into this tournament as the fav and maybe that'll take off some of the pressure on Roger, Marat, Andy and Lletyon. Of course the last three are all concerned about being seeded #3 at the US Open, so there's a lot of pressure there. But I still think because Roger hasn't played in 6 weeks all eyes will be on him and what type of form he's in.

fightclubber
08-15-2005, 12:56 AM
Right.

I am wondering why people are implying that Cincy would be so difficult just because he lost early there before? Is there anything different about the courts or conditions? Isn't it always just a question of how Roger is feeling physically and whether he really wants it or not?
Im not sure whats different. I only jeard on tv is veryvery hot and humid- And the temperatures on court must be 10 degrees more.. so you have to resist...
heeeeee
:wavey:

Shy
08-15-2005, 01:03 AM
Im not sure whats different. I only jeard on tv is veryvery hot and humid- And the temperatures on court must be 10 degrees more.. so you have to resist...
heeeeee
:wavey:
He's been there for a couple of days already. He probably had enough time to get use to it.The condition is probably similar to Toronto ,New York and
Montreal. So, he should be ok.

PamV
08-15-2005, 01:11 AM
Im not sure whats different. I only jeard on tv is veryvery hot and humid- And the temperatures on court must be 10 degrees more.. so you have to resist...
heeeeee
:wavey:

I think Roger handles heat better than just about anyone. He wasn't even sweating in IW. Well.....come to think of it, I've never seen him sweat much any where.

nobama
08-15-2005, 01:13 AM
This is good news....

According to Eurosport:
The world number one based himself in Dubai throughout the summer, working hard with his coach, Tony Roche, in the kind of heat that should make even the sometimes oppressive North American conditions a breeze.

The temps in Dubai have been well in the 100's F and humid too. So the weather should be no problem for Rogi.

oneandonlyhsn
08-15-2005, 01:18 AM
This is good news....

According to Eurosport:
The world number one based himself in Dubai throughout the summer, working hard with his coach, Tony Roche, in the kind of heat that should make even the sometimes oppressive North American conditions a breeze.

The temps in Dubai have been well in the 100's F and humid too. So the weather should be no problem for Rogi.

:eek: Roger I love you man, time to show the boys whose the daddy :lol:

PamV
08-15-2005, 01:22 AM
:eek: Roger I love you man, time to show the boys whose the daddy :lol:

Come on big daddy!

1sun
08-15-2005, 01:29 AM
This is good news....

According to Eurosport:
The world number one based himself in Dubai throughout the summer, working hard with his coach, Tony Roche, in the kind of heat that should make even the sometimes oppressive North American conditions a breeze.

The temps in Dubai have been well in the 100's F and humid too. So the weather should be no problem for Rogi.
thats good to hear. i herd earlier reports that he was goin to train with roche but wasnt so sure. i was a lil worried that he might have relaxed to much and got out of shape. i really hope he wins cincy. will make me feel better for the us. if he loses to nadal or safin i will actualy cry.

Nocko
08-15-2005, 01:52 AM
:eek: Roger I love you man, time to show the boys whose the daddy :lol:
:rolls: Yeah, C'MON DADDY! :lol:

BTW, What happend to Nalby in your signature? you upset something about him? :rolleyes:

nobama
08-15-2005, 02:37 AM
thats good to hear. i herd earlier reports that he was goin to train with roche but wasnt so sure. i was a lil worried that he might have relaxed to much and got out of shape. i really hope he wins cincy. will make me feel better for the us. if he loses to nadal or safin i will actualy cry.You actually think Roger would spend all this time off and not train? I'm thinking he took 1, 2 weeks max off to spend some quality time with his gf, and then got back to business. Roger won't to go into a tournament being out of shape and with no training. Still doesn't mean he couldn't be rusty in his first match, but I don't think it would be because he's out of shape.

oneandonlyhsn
08-15-2005, 02:38 AM
:rolls: Yeah, C'MON DADDY! :lol:

BTW, What happend to Nalby in your signature? you upset something about him? :rolleyes:

I am very upset with Nalby right now :fiery: He plays well and at times he looks like he doesnt care

1sun
08-15-2005, 02:56 AM
You actually think Roger would spend all this time off and not train? I'm thinking he took 1, 2 weeks max off to spend some quality time with his gf, and then got back to business. Roger won't to go into a tournament being out of shape and with no training. Still doesn't mean he couldn't be rusty in his first match, but I don't think it would be because he's out of shape.
well bcause of his feet i had my doubts that he wouldnt trian.

lucashg
08-15-2005, 03:30 AM
Is that a problem I haven't read the whole of this thread yet?

Well, I'm so glad Roger's back in action this week. It's been six boring weeks of tennis on ATP without him (I can appreciate other players, but it's not the same). Apparently he's doing some serious training to take Cincinnati (and the USO) by storm!

I'm confident about his draw, but I'll wait up the first round to see where he really is. He has a tough draw, but it's exactly that kind of draw where his opponents will slowly turning tougher and tougher and that sounds like great preparation for the rest of the tournament and the US Open as well.

:banana: Good luck, Rogi!

Has he entered doubles as well? Nice! If he wins both tournaments, it's even better, though I'll take only the singles if he's up for choice :p

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 03:49 AM
Hewitt had gastroenteritis and had not eaten for a few days after he arrived in Montreal. That Tue. he played was hot and humid too... btw the court temp during the Nadal/Moya match was 55C!!!!!!!!!!!

Daniel
08-15-2005, 03:51 AM
Godo luck Roger vs Blake :D :kiss: :yeah:

Daniel
08-15-2005, 04:29 AM
ORDER OF PLAY – MONDAY, AUGUST 15, 2005

Center Court start 11:00 AM
N Massu (CHI) vs (12)T Henman (GBR)
Not before 1:00 PM
(5)A Roddick (USA) vs J Melzer (AUT)
(9)G Coria (ARG) vs P Srichaphan (THA)
Not before 7:30 PM
(1)R Federer (SUI) vs (WC)J Blake (USA)
(16)R Gasquet (FRA) vs F Lopez (ESP)

Grandstand start 11:00 AM
F Volandri (ITA) vs O Rochus (BEL)
(15)R Stepanek (CZE) vs (WC)G Monfils (FRA)
(Q)S Koubek (AUT) vs J Ferrero (ESP)
F Gonzalez (CHI) vs (Q)N Djokovic (SCG)
A Pavel (ROM) vs (11)D Nalbandian (ARG)
N Kiefer (GER) vs (Q)N Lapentti (ECU)

Court 3 start 11:00 AM
F Santoro (FRA) vs (14)I Ljubicic (CRO)
M Youzhny (RUS) vs C Saulnier (FRA)
J Novak (CZE) vs K Beck (SVK)
M Ancic (CRO) vs R Mello (BRA)

Court 4 start 11:00 AM
A Martin (ESP) vs J Chela (ARG)
(Q)L Horna (PER) vs C Rochus (BEL)
Ferrer/Robredo vs Etlis/Rodriguez
(WC)Gimelstob/Leach vs Hrbaty/Oliver

MissMoJo
08-15-2005, 05:02 AM
Best luck tomorrow( and the for the rest of the season really :) ) Rogi! :bounce: Finally, i can be excited about a tourney again:yippee: :p

lsy
08-15-2005, 05:12 AM
I don't think we had been that anxious to see him back in action :lol:

Good to hear that he had been working hard with Roche, and I hope that he has the correct mind set coming back from a six week break...I certainly don't wish him getting all "paranoid" like some of his fans bad been *cough* getting all caught up with the number game or Nadal chasing right after him *cough* ;)

Let's go Rogi!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

TenHound
08-15-2005, 05:28 AM
Silvy, Love yr. new Avatar!!

I don't know what all this crap is about whether Roger can play well @Cincy since he never has. What he had never done til this yr. is play back to back Masters. In the past he played Canada, but skipped Cincy; this yr. the reverse. He's simply too well-mannered to fake an injury to withdraw from a tournament; hence he drops the first match to get out of there. Has nothing to do w/Cincy per se; it's a figment of the idiotic scheduling that has Masters in successive weeks.

Canada was a joke this yr. as no one was there, but hopefully Cincy will be great. Hopefully Marat's knee is rehabbed. Maybe I'll forgive him for hiring PL, who's keeping him from assuming the ATP's Mad Bomber mantle from Goran!!

Daniel
08-15-2005, 06:14 AM
Silvy, Love yr. new Avatar!!

I don't know what all this crap is about whether Roger can play well @Cincy since he never has. What he had never done til this yr. is play back to back Masters. In the past he played Canada, but skipped Cincy; this yr. the reverse. He's simply too well-mannered to fake an injury to withdraw from a tournament; hence he drops the first match to get out of there. Has nothing to do w/Cincy per se; it's a figment of the idiotic scheduling that has Masters in successive weeks.

Canada was a joke this yr. as no one was there, but hopefully Cincy will be great. Hopefully Marat's knee is rehabbed. Maybe I'll forgive him for hiring PL, who's keeping him from assuming the ATP's Mad Bomber mantle from Goran!!
yep it wa a joke that the clay courter Nadal won :fiery: but some good players were there liek Andy and Mr Potato but went out too early .

PamV
08-15-2005, 10:22 AM
well bcause of his feet i had my doubts that he wouldnt trian.

Of course there are lots of training things that can be done without hurting the feet.....such as swimming, and riding a stationery bike but I know Roger doesn't like those things. He could do a lot of volley practice without running much. Hopefully though within the last 2 or 3 weeks he's been able to do some full out on court training and practice.

SUKTUEN
08-15-2005, 10:44 AM
Good Luck Roger~~! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

GOD Bless you~!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

nobama
08-15-2005, 11:53 AM
New Roger pic....not sure what I think about the shirt... :unsure:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/jsnash/roger_cincy.jpg

oneandonlyhsn
08-15-2005, 12:04 PM
I'm not feeling the new shirt either, Nike needs to be more innovative

nobama
08-15-2005, 12:27 PM
Looks like it's the same shirt he wore at Wimbledon, just different colors. I don't mind red and gray together, but I think the back of the shirt should be all red.

Mrs. B
08-15-2005, 12:43 PM
that gray on the back. :tape:

lol, ok. i really don't care about the shirt, i just want him to win matches all over again, hopefully if he'll get past Blakey boy, he'll get rid of his first round jinx at Cincy. ;)

PamV
08-15-2005, 01:56 PM
Expectedwinner:

The #1 and #2 rank is not just a 100 point difference. Remember it's the Entry Ranking that says who the True #1 is. If Nadal were to win Cincy and over take the ATP Race lead, Roger would still be ahead in the Entry Rank system. In fact Roger has 6500 Entry Rank points and he has nothing to lose in Cincy.

Like you said before at the end of the year the ATP Race and the Entry Rank system will show the same person as #1.....BUT we aren't at the end of the year YET. There are still a lot more of points for grabs.

In general though, I think many will consider Roger still as perhaps the best of all time even if he were to lose the #1 by year end. So people may still be calling him the king no matter what. What ever were to happen this year it's not the end of his career, you know.

PamV
08-15-2005, 01:58 PM
Looks like it's the same shirt he wore at Wimbledon, just different colors. I don't mind red and gray together, but I think the back of the shirt should be all red.

Red is a good color on Roger. Thanks for the pic!

yanchr
08-15-2005, 02:03 PM
New Roger pic....not sure what I think about the shirt... :unsure:
If like you said, it's the same shirt as in Wimbledon, then it will look better...:tape: The wimbledon white shirt is :retard: for me

Thanks for the pic :wavey:

nobama
08-15-2005, 02:37 PM
Expectedwinner:

The #1 and #2 rank is not just a 100 point difference. Remember it's the Entry Ranking that says who the True #1 is. If Nadal were to win Cincy and over take the ATP Race lead, Roger would still be ahead in the Entry Rank system. In fact Roger has 6500 Entry Rank points and he has nothing to lose in Cincy.

Like you said before at the end of the year the ATP Race and the Entry Rank system will show the same person as #1.....BUT we aren't at the end of the year YET. There are still a lot more of points for grabs.

In general though, I think many will consider Roger still as perhaps the best of all time even if he were to lose the #1 by year end. So people may still be calling him the king no matter what. What ever were to happen this year it's not the end of his career, you know.You know this is what annoys me from both Fed fans and Rafa fans. You've got Rafa fans that appear to be so worried and paranoid about their wonder boy not getting the accolades he deserves. That everyone belittles his achievements, they think he's just a clay courter, ect. And then they dredge up 6 month old posts to try and prove their point. I think it's quite pathetic. Did they watch ESPN coverage last week at all? PMac and Gilbert were pimping Nadal all week. This idea that he doesn't get the respect he deserves is ridiculous. Same thing with Fed fans who are worried that Rafa's getting more love than him. There was one post on Roger's website with someone all in a tizzy because they thought PMac liked Rafa better than Roger. I just think it's so silly I mean my god, you've got John McEnroe saying he's the greatest natural talent of all time, Jim Courier saying he's the only guy he'd pay to watch, Rod Laver saying he's happy to be in the same company. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. How anyone can be concerned about Roger's place in history or what the tennis world thinks of him is beyond me. Roger hasn't been playing for the last six weeks, and Nadal just won his first hard court tile, and his 9th title of the year. Obviously people are talking about Nadal right now. If Roger wins Cincy or the USO then they'll all be talking about him again.

PamV
08-15-2005, 03:30 PM
Well, I can't remember if I posted anything about P Mac on Roger's site but I have disliked him for years. Right now I think he is way too gleeful about Nadal and you can tell he hopes Nadal overtakes Federer. I think it is because of how Roger took over #1 from Roddick. P Mac wants payback! I like commentators to be unbiased like J Mac and Courier.

Overall I dislike P Mac because he simply talks constantly and doesn't seem to realize it's about the on-going match and each point happening at the moment. It's not about his recollections or his theories. The better commentators give more importance to what the players are doing in the match at each moment they don't talk during a rally.

For that matter....P Mac proclaims that Nadal is the first player since Agassi to have charisma. Yeesh! Did he forget about Safin? Safin's got it, he's just out of the limelight a lot. Roger has just as many devoted groupies as Nadal does. Just because Roger doesn't try to invent new clothing styles doesn't mean he doesn't have charisma.

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 03:54 PM
The dumb thing about PMac is that Nadal not only threatens Rogi but all players, incl. his precious one-slam wonder Pandy. ;) Why listen to him anyway??

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 03:56 PM
After being in Montreal I can assure everyone that Rafa was hyped more than Rogi was in TO and Rafa was mobbed left right and centre by everyone, incl. journalists and photographers. He IS a star now... even w his Rafa-English.

See what happens when Rogi doesn't show up?

Doesn't matter...

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 03:57 PM
the Race determines the 8 players who make Shanghai.

Whistleway
08-15-2005, 04:19 PM
I got some pics for y'all. He looks so different in person and I had the chance to see him several times and got an autograph too !! *thank god* I got some pics when he was practising. He is so relaxed and he is accompanied by Pavel Kovac. I tried to get the autograph of Kovac, but he was very shy !! And Roger talks with several players as well as stays for a long time in the players lounge. But, he wasn't signing that many autographs :( And he is quite popular in cincy !!! And the media talk of him not recognized is pure BS.

Skyward
08-15-2005, 05:12 PM
Great pics Whistleway. Thanks for sharing. :)

Shabazza
08-15-2005, 05:24 PM
yep thx for the pics :)
@mirkaland - you're totally right :yeah:
@PamV - I would even bear with P Mac if I could get live coverage ;)

Nocko
08-15-2005, 05:28 PM
Thanks Whistleway, for the nice pics. I like his practice photos! :D

Well, it's time to cheer Rogi !

:banana: Good Luck Roger! :banana:
Stay healthy and enjoy this tourny. :hug: :hug:

ytben
08-15-2005, 05:56 PM
Thanks Whistleway for the piccies & short report :kiss: You live in Cinci?

Good luck in your first round Rogi :bounce: I am so pumped to see him again on tv :D

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 06:03 PM
Whistleway

Thanks for those lovely pix of Rogi practising, sth I sorely missed in Montreal -- pls cheer on Rogi for us all! He's looking cool as usual! Keep us updated on what's happening in Cincy! ;)

tschaeggy
08-15-2005, 06:10 PM
thank you so much Whystleway, great pics :)
I hardly can't wait 'till i see Roger play again, we don't get coverage in Switzerland :mad:

nobama
08-15-2005, 07:54 PM
After being in Montreal I can assure everyone that Rafa was hyped more than Rogi was in TO and Rafa was mobbed left right and centre by everyone, incl. journalists and photographers. He IS a star now... even w his Rafa-English.

See what happens when Rogi doesn't show up?

Doesn't matter...Ah but according to the some of the paraniod Rafa fans he doesn't get the adulation and superlatives he deserves...he's just some silly old "clay court specialist". So what you say can't possibly be true, only Roger get's all the hype. ;) Anyway enough about Nadal. Go Rogi! :)

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 08:14 PM
If Rafa doesn't get the adulation he deserves, then Rogi even less -- I imagine we're talking about these guys in America, not all over the world, right?

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 08:18 PM
Yep time to cheer on our ROGI!!!!!!

fightclubber
08-15-2005, 09:40 PM
I got some pics for y'all. He looks so different in person and I had the chance to see him several times and got an autograph too !! *thank god* I got some pics when he was practising. He is so relaxed and he is accompanied by Pavel Kovac. I tried to get the autograph of Kovac, but he was very shy !! And Roger talks with several players as well as stays for a long time in the players lounge. But, he wasn't signing that many autographs :( And he is quite popular in cincy !!! And the media talk of him not recognized is pure BS.

WOWO THANKS
I BET YOU ARE BOMBARDING ROGER!
I JUST SAW HIM ON TV ON A PRACTISE ! SEEMS PARADON ASKED FOR A TRAINER AND CAMERA MOVED TO OTHER COURT AND .. ROGER WAS THERE.. WEARING WHITE!
I STARTED TO JUMP OF HAPPINESS
GOOOOOOOOO ROGER GO

:wavey:

lucashg
08-15-2005, 09:42 PM
Amazing pics of Rogi, thanks for sharing. Glad that you got an autograph. And if he's quite popular in Cincy, can you imagine in places he has a better record? :p LOL!

Anyway, I'm anxious to see him. Go ROGI!

BTW, I loved that blue shirt, I hope he wears it, but it seems that he loves red more than blue. Actually, are these the only colors he wears besides white (and black once in a while)?

Mrs. B
08-15-2005, 09:48 PM
I got some pics for y'all. He looks so different in person and I had the chance to see him several times and got an autograph too !! *thank god* I got some pics when he was practising. He is so relaxed and he is accompanied by Pavel Kovac. I tried to get the autograph of Kovac, but he was very shy !! And Roger talks with several players as well as stays for a long time in the players lounge. But, he wasn't signing that many autographs :( And he is quite popular in cincy !!! And the media talk of him not recognized is pure BS.

thanks for the pics, whistleway! who was Roger hitting with? was Reto Staubli also there? Funny that you asked Kovac for an autograph. You're prolly the first one to ask him! :lol:

Hopp, Roger, in Cincinatti!!! :bounce:

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 09:49 PM
No Rogi on TV for us tonight...

Stevens Point
08-15-2005, 10:07 PM
7:30 PM Cincy time is here 1:30 AM!? OK, I am staying up and following the score!!!!! Go, Roger!!!

Rogifan, sorry that you can't watch him tonight. :sad: I can't here, either...

oneandonlyhsn
08-15-2005, 10:16 PM
Well PPlive has been showing Cincy matches all day today for those interested. You need to download PPlive and then click play on 'Peaceful Star Supersports'

http://www.pplive.it/

RogiNie
08-15-2005, 10:31 PM
thanks for the pics!! really love him in the blue shirt :drool:
and steven, are you really going to stay up? :eek: I wanted it, but half past 1 is a bit too late for me.. ;)

lunahielo
08-15-2005, 11:16 PM
Whistleway :hug:
Great pics~~~~thanks.

Not long now~~~and the *Welcome Back, Rogi* match. :)
Allez, Ninja!

Billabong
08-15-2005, 11:45 PM
Fed plays very soon!! In less than 2 hours:eek:!

GO FED, you can do it:yeah:! GOOOOOO FEDDDDDDDD:banana:!!!!!!!!!

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 11:45 PM
Hopefully people can update us on the scores! GO, ROGI!

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 11:46 PM
Hi Seb! ;)

lunahielo
08-15-2005, 11:48 PM
Is anyone going to have TV coverage?
And be able to post ~~~
Scoreboard is not working. :(

PamV
08-16-2005, 12:16 AM
Well PPlive has been showing Cincy matches all day today for those interested. You need to download PPlive and then click play on 'Peaceful Star Supersports'


http://www.pplive.it/

I did the download, but I don't see 'Peaceful Star Supersports' any where. What do I do?

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:22 AM
I did the download, but I don't see 'Peaceful Star Supersports' any where. What do I do?The link is on the website, not the program itself. Thanks oneandonlyhsn for the link! Will they show Rogi live? I hope so. It's times like these when I'm glad I have a broadband connection.

Go Rogi! :woohoo:

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:24 AM
I did the download, but I don't see 'Peaceful Star Supersports' any where. What do I do?
theres two scroll boxs. the main page obviously has a scroll. and theres another thing you can scroll down inside the main page. scroll down carefuly and you will find peaceful start sports. i'll give updates on the match.