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1sun
08-15-2005, 11:26 PM
The link is on the website, not the program itself. Thanks oneandonlyhsn for the link! Will they show Rogi live? I hope so. It's times like these when I'm glad I have a broadband connection.

Go Rogi! :woohoo:
yeah they will. they should show all his matchs(well as many as he plays). how fast is yours running? the windows media player?

lunahielo
08-15-2005, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by 1sun
i'll give updates on the match.

Great. Thanks...

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:30 PM
the scoreboard is working now but every five minutes ill give you an update on the way roger is playing.

fightclubber
08-15-2005, 11:33 PM
ROGER WEARING RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 SO RELAXED
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOOW
GO ROGER GO!

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:35 PM
roger wearing the red/grey shirt, white shorts, its soo good to see him again!

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:35 PM
roger to serve first.

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:42 PM
mirka looking pretty nice 2nite. nice tan.

lunahielo
08-15-2005, 11:48 PM
Rain????

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:51 PM
yeah rains stopped play. players are leaving the court

lunahielo
08-15-2005, 11:51 PM
:(

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:53 PM
there saying it could last 10 mintures or hours

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:54 PM
just to let you roger served and vollyed in his first service game, and his volleys are looking sharp.

oneandonlyhsn
08-15-2005, 11:55 PM
:wavey: Hey guys I am so nervous for Fed right now

Stevens Point
08-15-2005, 11:55 PM
Well PPlive has been showing Cincy matches all day today for those interested. You need to download PPlive and then click play on 'Peaceful Star Supersports'

http://www.pplive.it/
Question. I think I have downloaded this successfully. I can watch other channels from China. But, I can't watch Peaceful Star Super Sports. Under current program this Peaceful Star Super Sports is just blank. Zero. How could you watch this???

nobama
08-15-2005, 11:56 PM
yeah they will. they should show all his matchs(well as many as he plays). how fast is yours running? the windows media player?Mine says 270k.

G-d damn rain. :mad:

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:56 PM
the fucking commentator is saying federer may not be the best player in the world. is he fucking stupid?twat.

MissMoJo
08-15-2005, 11:57 PM
Go Rogi! :bounce:

MissMoJo
08-15-2005, 11:58 PM
the fucking commentator is saying federer may not be the best player in the world. is he fucking stupid?twat.
then who, pray tell? :rolleyes:

nobama
08-15-2005, 11:58 PM
just to let you roger served and vollyed in his first service game, and his volleys are looking sharp.What is his demeanor like? Just as I was about to watch it I got a phone call, and when I came back they were stopping the match. Rogi looked kind of irritated. I'm guessing that was because of the stupid rain. :mad:

1sun
08-15-2005, 11:59 PM
Mine says 270k.

G-d damn rain. :mad:
yeah mine to. i think thats the fastest it goes.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:00 AM
He'll be fine, oneandonly~~~

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:00 AM
the fucking commentator is saying federer may not be the best player in the world. is he fucking stupid?twat.Could you put that in some context please? I mean why did he say it? What was the discussion about?

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:02 AM
What is his demeanor like? Just as I was about to watch it I got a phone call, and when I came back they were stopping the match. Rogi looked kind of irritated. I'm guessing that was because of the stupid rain. :mad:
nah roger was kinda baffed at first, because the call of stopping play kind of came out of no where and it wasnt raing hard at all.
blake had sum nice shots, powerful and accurate, but a few lame ones.

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:05 AM
Could you put that in some context please? I mean why did he say it? What was the discussion about?
well he said because nadal won montreal, was catching roger in the ranking(rafa is still 2000 points behind though),took federer to 5 sets at miami, that he may he the best player in the world, and he said we have to wait untill they meet, meaning that if rafa beats federer next time he will think nadals the best player in the world. pretty stupid logic to me.

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:06 AM
So Roger got it to deuce on Blake's serve? I'm thinking Rogi might start out slow, being he hasn't played alot and isn't sure where his game is at yet. But I'd love to see him just cruise in this first set and show everyone that the boss is back in town. One can hope!

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:06 AM
rain stopped, players are warming up

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:07 AM
C'mon Rogi~!!!!!

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:07 AM
So Roger got it to deuce on Blake's serve? I'm thinking Rogi might start out slow, being he hasn't played alot and isn't sure where his game is at yet. But I'd love to see him just cruise in this first set and show everyone that the boss is back in town. One can hope!
well he looked sharp, but blake was playin pretty well as well.

janine84
08-16-2005, 12:08 AM
Question. I think I have downloaded this successfully. I can watch other channels from China. But, I can't watch Peaceful Star Super Sports. Under current program this Peaceful Star Super Sports is just blank. Zero. How could you watch this???

I know, I have the same problem :(
I can also watch other channels but not that one! Am I doing something wrong?

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:09 AM
then who, pray tell? :rolleyes:
take a guess.

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:10 AM
well he said because nadal won montreal, was catching roger in the ranking(rafa is still 2000 points behind though),took federer to 5 sets at miami, that he may he the best player in the world, and he said we have to wait untill they meet, meaning that if rafa beats federer next time he will think nadals the best player in the world. pretty stupid logic to me.It shouldn't be surprising though. These reporters/commentators glom on to whoever is hot now. I'm sure they weren't saying this after Wimbledon. That's why I take what they say with a grain of salt. I remember after the Kiefer match at Wimbledon some writer on tennisreporters.net wrote a piece saying that the "dominace of Federer might be over". :rolleyes:

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:10 AM
Question. I think I have downloaded this successfully. I can watch other channels from China. But, I can't watch Peaceful Star Super Sports. Under current program this Peaceful Star Super Sports is just blank. Zero. How could you watch this???

Once you've downloaded the softwae, go to

http://www.pplive.it/

THere you will see a list of channels, scroll down to Peaceful star super sports on the right you will see a play button, click on it and wait for a few seconds for it to load. I am watching tennis right now

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:11 AM
I know, I have the same problem :(
I can also watch other channels but not that one! Am I doing something wrong?
We need solution, don't we!? Could anyone help us, please?? :bowdown:

Shy
08-16-2005, 12:12 AM
well he said because nadal won montreal, was catching roger in the ranking(rafa is still 2000 points behind though),took federer to 5 sets at miami, that he may he the best player in the world, and he said we have to wait untill they meet, meaning that if rafa beats federer next time he will think nadals the best player in the world. pretty stupid logic to me.
people like to jump ship

PamV
08-16-2005, 12:12 AM
OMG! I got the PPLive to work and I am able to see the match now. I don't know if I will be able to figure out how to run this a second time....it was hard to find where the right channel was.

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:14 AM
It shouldn't be surprising though. These reporters/commentators glom on to whoever is hot now. I'm sure they weren't saying this after Wimbledon. That's why I take what they say with a grain of salt. I remember after the Kiefer match at Wimbledon some writer on tennisreporters.net wrote a piece saying that the "dominace of Federer might be over". :rolleyes:
it still pissed me of though. and the commentator who said it normaly has his head up rogers ass, but thats where i suppose what you said comes into play.

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:14 AM
Once you've downloaded the softwae, go to

http://www.pplive.it/

THere you will see a list of channels, scroll down to Peaceful star super sports on the right you will see a play button, click on it and wait for a few seconds for it to load. I am watching tennis right now
That's what I did. Then Windows media comes, but then it stops, saying something is wrong. I can watch other Chinese channels, doing the same procedure. I can see all the programs when it says something under the current program. My Peaceful star super sports doesn't say anything under current program. :confused:

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:15 AM
lol, he was just praising fed a sec ago.idiot.

janine84
08-16-2005, 12:16 AM
We need solution, don't we!? Could anyone help us, please?? :bowdown:

Yes we do!! desperately ;)
Why can't we watch it, and you guys can? I found the right channel, but it just doesn't work, some error or something....pls help!

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:16 AM
How does he look?

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:17 AM
We need solution, don't we!? Could anyone help us, please?? :bowdown:

Did you try what I wrote, it works

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:18 AM
Fed making uncharesteristc errors, he is a little rusty

janine84
08-16-2005, 12:19 AM
That's what I did. Then Windows media comes, but then it stops, saying something is wrong. I can watch other Chinese channels, doing the same procedure. I can see all the programs when it says something under the current program. My Peaceful star super sports doesn't say anything under current program. :confused:

exactly, must be something with our computers then :(

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:23 AM
Mirka is just asa nervous as I am, she is biting her nails

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:25 AM
Didnt work for you guys yet, I dont know whats going on. Did you guys download the software?

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:26 AM
He looks rusty...looking at SB

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:27 AM
Could you keep up the scores, please? The score board from the Cincy site doesn't work either.

Thanks!

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:28 AM
OMG..Blake about to break::::???

janine84
08-16-2005, 12:30 AM
Didnt work for you guys yet, I dont know whats going on. Did you guys download the software?

Yep, like I said, pretty much every channel works, EXECPT the right one.....really annoying...

well, anyway, how is Rogi doing? the live scores don't work either..

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:30 AM
Fed in trouble 0-30, he is really flat

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:32 AM
Rain delay, but Roger is not playing well at all, and Blake is really taking advantage

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:33 AM
Sorry to say, but Rogi looks rusty. I'm not counting him out by any means, I just think it's going to take him awhile to get into his groove.

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:33 AM
rain stoped play. im pretty fucking nerous. 15-30

janine84
08-16-2005, 12:34 AM
that's not good, again a rain delay? hmm, I hope Rogi can get himself together and start better after the rain delay...
What's the score at the moment?

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:34 AM
15-30

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:36 AM
Well Roger hasn't played in 6 weeks so I didn't expect him to come out on fire (even though I was secretly hoping he would). Plus the crowd is really behind Blake. Hopefully he'll find his groove fast.

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:37 AM
well hes definately not playin shit,just not great but blake is playing good.

lucashg
08-16-2005, 12:38 AM
15-30 on Rogi's serve? I thought he went to deuce in Blake's game when rain stopped play for the first time?

Well, it's normal for him to be rusty in early rounds, especially if you consider a six weeks lay-off. He'll probably need sometime to adjust, but he'll be fine soon in the match, I guess/hope.

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:39 AM
5-4 Roger!!

1sun
08-16-2005, 12:39 AM
thank god, roger holds, saving a break point, good man

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:40 AM
At least my score board is working!! :D

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:41 AM
Allez Rogi time to break Blake :lol:

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:42 AM
A break would be nice here Rogi. :)

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:42 AM
5-5 now

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:45 AM
6-5 for Roger, Blake serving! Break Blake!!!

lucashg
08-16-2005, 12:46 AM
Oh, I thought the match was on its first game, LOL. Go Rogi, make this easy!

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:48 AM
I think it's kind of silly to compare Roger's play today (after so much time off) to Nadal. Roger is certainly not playing his best tennis, so he's missing shots he might normally make.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:51 AM
TB

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:51 AM
tiebreak....

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:53 AM
No more freebies in the TB plz Rogi :mad:

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:55 AM
Roger :smash:

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:56 AM
3 set points for Roger!!! Take it!!!!!

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 12:56 AM
Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:56 AM
Yes, first set for Roger!!!!!!! tiebreak 7-3!

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 12:57 AM
Phew Rogi takes the TB, he raised his level at the end

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 12:57 AM
Please, it is almost 3 AM here. I hope there is no 3rd set, otherwise.............................

lucashg
08-16-2005, 12:59 AM
Phew! So relieved. I hope he starts off better in the second. CMON Rogi!
I'm not seeing this match, something happened to my shit tv and disconnected from Sky, but I've seen the third point in the tie-break which he won with a volley and a half-smash, and it was just great to see those kind of wonderful shots again.

But he's missing second serve returns and being a bit shaky off his groundies, that's normal. As he goes on, he tends to get better!

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:00 AM
No more scare like Halle 1st round, please!!!!

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:01 AM
2nd set 0-1 for Roger, and he is serving!

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:01 AM
Roger's had a bit of a brainfart tonight. :retard: That's why I don't always enjoy his first round matches, because he's not always playing his best. he better step it up in the next set. :(

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:01 AM
I think it's kind of silly to compare Roger's play today (after so much time off) to Nadal. Roger is certainly not playing his best tennis, so he's missing shots he might normally make.
i know, the commentator is a twat.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:01 AM
Me too, I hope he does it in 2. Allez Fedex

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:02 AM
No, Roger down 0-30

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:02 AM
SP
otherwise............................. :zzz: ????

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:04 AM
:(

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:04 AM
Oh no, he got broken....

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:04 AM
double fucking fault. wtf roger man?i dont want no 3 sets. im tired, its 2am

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:04 AM
Great Roger broken, and he cant seem to do much on Blakes serve

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:05 AM
:zzz: ????
Otherwise, I will stay up until the match is over! :o

lucashg
08-16-2005, 01:05 AM
He double-faulted at 30-40. He seems so impatient and apparently, not moving really well... or is it just me? Hm, I hope he steps it up quickly. I know he can do it.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:05 AM
C'mon baby......

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:05 AM
double fucking fault. wtf roger man?i dont want no 3 sets. im tired, its 2am
Here it is 3 am..

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:06 AM
Already 0-3!? Come back, Roger!!!!!!!

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:06 AM
Roger cant do shit on Blakes serve, Roger :sad:

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:06 AM
i cant remember the last match, where roger didnt get broken. he always seems to do these days.

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:07 AM
Ok, Roger, I think it's time to call it a day. It's too embarrassing to watch you right now.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:07 AM
Settle in, Roger~~~~~~~~~~you can do this.
You are so much better than Blake.........prove it!!!

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:08 AM
Here it is 3 am..
poor bastard!

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:09 AM
At least he held. 1-3 blake serving.

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:09 AM
Ok, Roger, I think it's time to call it a day. It's too embarrassing to watch you right now.
dont lose faith so quickly. he will match this match.

Shy
08-16-2005, 01:10 AM
He need to win in order to get as much match play possible.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:11 AM
I like your thinking 1sun~

C'mon Rogi~~

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:11 AM
2 BP!! Take it!!!!!!!

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:12 AM
Roger plz break back, plz

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:12 AM
Nice! He broke back!!! Then hold now!!!

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:12 AM
wel done roger.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:12 AM
Sb went down..what's happening?

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:13 AM
He did, now he needs to step it up, he is playing well below his standard

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:14 AM
blake. u CRACK me up!lol that was soooooooooo funny

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:16 AM
Great! Now 3-3

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:16 AM
Yea! A break back! Now pull it together Rogi. It shouldn't take you this long to get into the match.

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:16 AM
roger holds. 3all

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:16 AM
Roger broke back! I hope he can wake up a bit and get this over with.

I looked at Blake's activity this year and it's interesting that he didn't have much success until Washington where he beat Stepanek and Berdych to get to the final.

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:17 AM
Mmmm, Love game for Blake. 3-4 Roger serving...

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:18 AM
:eek: some amazing shots by Fed

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:19 AM
Roger getting mad at himself

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:21 AM
Mmmm, Love game for Blake. 3-4 Roger serving...
I wonder why it would be so hard to break Blake? It seems like Rog is making a lot of loose errors. Too bad he's having to play at night.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:21 AM
Another BP ROger :mad:

Shy
08-16-2005, 01:22 AM
I wonder why it would be so hard to break Blake?
It is his first match in 6 weeks.I think this is why.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:23 AM
Roger only wining 68% of 1st serves

Shy
08-16-2005, 01:23 AM
Roger got broke again?

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:24 AM
He is missing so many shots, he is very rusty today. And he is not happy and here comes another BP

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:24 AM
Roger only wining 68% of 1st serves

It's not horrible. What about 2 serve?

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:25 AM
Roger cant get 2 points back to back on his serve

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:26 AM
It's not horrible. What about 2 serve?

68% as well

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:26 AM
It was heartbreaking. Finally he held. nice job!!!

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:27 AM
he held

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:27 AM
roger y u shitting me out man? plz dont give me anymore heart attacks

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:28 AM
Come on Roger break him plz

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:28 AM
68% as well



It's good. I don't understand what's the problem.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:29 AM
Roger :smash:

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:30 AM
Go ROger Go

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:31 AM
Let's be calm, lol. It's hard to play well coming back after the injury.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:31 AM
Fight Rogi

avocadoe
08-16-2005, 01:32 AM
anyone watching live? cmon Roger, break break break

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:32 AM
It's good. I don't understand what's the problem.
68 is good on second serve, but not good enough on first serve, he needs 75+, prefably 80

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:32 AM
BP!! Please convert it!!

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:33 AM
Ah, back to duece....

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:33 AM
Wow Rogi using FH drop shots and FH slices

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:33 AM
:( Blake held... 4-5 for Roger.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:34 AM
Blake held, now plz hold Rogi

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:35 AM
68 is good on second serve, but not good enough on first serve, he needs 75+, prefably 80

But it's not awful. Happens all the time.

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:36 AM
stevens point, whos that in your avatar with roger?

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:37 AM
But it's not awful. Happens all the time.
its def not awful, but roger normaly has alot higher win percentage on his first serve.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Roger is sweating like crazy, I've never seen him sweat this much.

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Roger you should be glad you don't have to go home with me tonight. I wouldn't be as kind as Mirka. This match sucked big time. I think the fans deserve a refund.

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:38 AM
Roger should have been able to break just then. Blake is not acting a dynamo. Both of them look a little tired. Well, I know Roger is rusty. I hope he can pull himself together.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:38 AM
Come on Roger break him now no TB plz

Shy
08-16-2005, 01:38 AM
Give him a break. It is his first match in 6 weeks. He wasn't that much better in Montreal last year.

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:38 AM
Cincy is HOT~~~~and humid.

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:39 AM
stevens point, whos that in your avatar with roger?
He is Marco Chiudinelli. Roger's old friend. The picture is from Basel Exhibition from this April.

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:39 AM
Roger is sweating like crazy, I've never seen him sweat this much.

It's humidity. I live in Florida, I know how it feels. :mad:

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:39 AM
Roger held. Now if only he could turn it up a notch and break Blake this time.

He broke....now just hold serve Roger!

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:40 AM
Roger you should be glad you don't have to go home with me tonight. I wouldn't be as kind as Mirka. This match sucked big time. I think the fans deserve a refund.
shit man. going over the top. calm down honey. ;)

Shy
08-16-2005, 01:40 AM
It's humidity. I live in Florida, I know how it feels. :mad:
Humidity is a real pain.Even when you are doing nothing,you sweat

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:41 AM
He's waking up~!

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:41 AM
Come on Roger dont blow this

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:42 AM
He is Marco Chiudinelli. Roger's old friend. The picture is from Basel Exhibition from this April.
cheers.

avocadoe
08-16-2005, 01:42 AM
a break, a break!!!! Now serve it out !!!!

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:43 AM
Good. Finish him off.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:44 AM
Go ROger GO

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:46 AM
pheww. well done roger. good to get that outa the way

avocadoe
08-16-2005, 01:46 AM
welldone, Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:46 AM
Baby's back!

That was a rough one............
Thanks for the comments, 1sun~~

itchy13
08-16-2005, 01:47 AM
way to go Roger!!! wake up for good now..GL

Stevens Point
08-16-2005, 01:48 AM
Finished!? Good!!!!! Nice job at last, Roger!!!!

Good night Americas, good morning Switzerland! I am going to bed. It is 3.50 AM....

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:48 AM
Roger won in staight sets. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: That's what the doctor ordered.

Skyward
08-16-2005, 01:50 AM
Sweet dreams, Stevens. http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage21/11.gif

lunahielo
08-16-2005, 01:51 AM
Sweet dreams, SP~ :)

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:51 AM
the commentator just said good tennis from both! is he having a laugh?

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:54 AM
Roger you should be glad you don't have to go home with me tonight. I wouldn't be as kind as Mirka. This match sucked big time. I think the fans deserve a refund.

Well...Roger can come home with me then! :devil: I think that Roger oftens starts a tournament keeping his level down a bit, doing just enough to win so that he gets more practice. Plus it's probably a way to conserve energy and pace himself.

Besides....knowing that Blake just beat Berdych and Stepanek in Washington indicates that he's getting his form back.

fightclubber
08-16-2005, 01:54 AM
well done champ!
i was a bit scared but youll get better match after match!
go roger go!
silvy

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:55 AM
Baby's back!

That was a rough one............
Thanks for the comments, 1sun~~
no worries. im off to bed as well. c ya lads and lassies

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:56 AM
the commentator just said good tennis from both! is he having a laugh?Yeah I think the fans deserve a refund....at least the Fed fans. I'm glad Roger won but it was not high quality tennis from him at all. It was so obvious that he hadn't played for 6 weeks. Still though, It's obvious why he's #1, he stepped up his game when he had to. He was down 0-3, and then was able to break back, and I think the second break Blake had 40-0 or 40-15. He got tight. I had the feeling Roger did not want this match taken to a third set.

yanchr
08-16-2005, 01:57 AM
the commentator just said good tennis from both! is he having a laugh?
Sure he is. Roger was playing like shit :o I hardly dare to watch his forehand in a set and more than a half. Very very sloppy performance today :rolleyes:

Anyway he was forgivable.

So a win is a win. Roger, please bring on your normal self next match where your opponent won't be as friendly as today to give you so many cheap points by making stupid errors like you also did.

Skyward
08-16-2005, 02:01 AM
Most likely Kiefer is next. He will have to step up on serve because Kiefer is a good returner.

I didn't see the match, I can't complain. It's important to win in straight sets.

Sophie1030
08-16-2005, 02:03 AM
Well done! Roger! Welcome back! Go! :bounce:

lucashg
08-16-2005, 02:06 AM
Humidity is a real pain.Even when you are doing nothing,you sweat

Tell me about it. Living so near the Equator Line and Amazon area just adds a whole lot to it. I've been living in the middle-north of Brazil since I was born and NEVER got used to this insane humidity and heat. And it just seems to get worse each year. :o

Anyway, talking about the match. It certainly wasn't HORRIBLE, but he was so rusty and missed so many shots he usually does with such ease it was kinda frustrating. He seemed a bit tired, as well as Blake - I guess that's effect of Cincinnati? - and didn't run down balls he usually can get to. A good test for him, and I'm relieved he won a match in Cincy, that's a good sign. :p

nobama
08-16-2005, 02:08 AM
Most likely Kiefer is next. He will have to step up on serve because Kiefer is a good returner.

I didn't see the match, I can't complain. It's important to win in straight sets.That wasn't the normal Roger out there. He played badly and I don't want to make excuses for it but I think the lack of match play had a lot to do with it. Whenever he would miss a routine (for him) shot, the announcers would bring up the fact he hasn't played in 6 weeks. I'm sure he's happy with a straight sets win, but it was far from even a good performance from him. I can only imagine R2 will be better now that he has one win under him.

RogiFan88
08-16-2005, 02:25 AM
I finally caught up w the commentary here -- thanks, guys! How did I know this w be a tough match for ROGI? Definitely lack of matchplay while he rested and recuperated. Let's hope that his tough match toughens him up for the rest of the tourney. Rafa had a tough first-rd match last wk vs. Moya and look where he ended up!

Playing dbles IS a good idea -- I doubt he and Yves will go deep but an extra match or two won't hurt Rogi.

I am hoping Kiwi, if he wins vs. Nico L, will be as ill-tempered as he was vs. AA last week -- I've never quite seen a player so ill-mannered and annoying.

Can't wait to see all the threads about this match...

nobama
08-16-2005, 02:29 AM
I'll be interested to see how Hewitt and Safin do tomorrow as neither of them have had much match play either. Roger was clearly out of sorts tonight, never really found his rhythm. He stepped it up when he had to but way to many UE's. I guess the only good thing is he still had more winners than UE's 33/29.

World Beater
08-16-2005, 02:35 AM
. He seemed a bit tired, as well as Blake - I guess that's effect of Cincinnati? - and didn't run down balls he usually can get to. A good test for him, and I'm relieved he won a match in Cincy, that's a good sign. :p

Yeah this was odd to me. He wasn't hustling down balls like he usually does. When I saw him play at the TMC last year after the injury layoff, he looked fresh and rejuvenated even though he made a few errors against gaudio in the RR match.

Shy
08-16-2005, 02:36 AM
Yeah this was odd to me. He wasn't hustling down balls like he usually does. When I saw him play at the TMC last year after the injury layoff, he looked fresh and rejuvenated even though he made a few errors against gaudio in the RR match.
It was a shorter layoff.

PamV
08-16-2005, 02:45 AM
Yeah this was odd to me. He wasn't hustling down balls like he usually does. When I saw him play at the TMC last year after the injury layoff, he looked fresh and rejuvenated even though he made a few errors against gaudio in the RR match.
Maybe Roger gets in to a rhythm better against the players he's had to play a lot. He's only played Blake once before and that was in USO 2003.

nobama
08-16-2005, 02:47 AM
And was it as hot there? I've never seen Roger go for the towel as much as he did today. Usually he doesn't even look like he's breaking a sweat and today he surely did. So it's got to be really humid there. It's not fun watching Rogi when he's not playing well. He's not relaxed, no smiles, real serious. And tonight he looked very affected, like something was bothering him (other than the way he was playing). :sad:

It was nice to see Mirka in the stands though. She looked lovely - very tan. :)

nobama
08-16-2005, 02:49 AM
Maybe Roger gets in to a rhythm better against the players he's had to play a lot. He's only played Blake once before and that was in USO 2003.And Blake's been playing some decent tennis this summer so he certainly wasn't going to be a pushover. I hope it's nothing more than a little rust. But I guess we'll have to wait until R2 to find out.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 03:02 AM
And was it as hot there? I've never seen Roger go for the towel as much as he did today. Usually he doesn't even look like he's breaking a sweat and today he surely did. So it's got to be really humid there. It's not fun watching Rogi when he's not playing well. He's not relaxed, no smiles, real serious. And tonight he looked very affected, like something was bothering him (other than the way he was playing). :sad:

It was nice to see Mirka in the stands though. She looked lovely - very tan. :)

:lol: I made the same comment about Rogi during the match, he was sweatingg like Andy today out there. His shirt was soaked and he looked very fatigued. Its the humidity and he hasnt played in a while so his stamina might be down a bit. Anyway, I'm just gald he managed to get through, hopefully he goes back and thinks things through and gets his rythm back. There are too many tigers ready to pounce on him if he doesnt do well now, and I think he feels it. Mirka looked so lovely, and she was nervous too she kept biting her nails all the time

Next Kiwi http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0010.gif I have a feeling this week is going to be bad for my heart

nobama
08-16-2005, 03:10 AM
R1 matches are always tough. And especially after you've had a long break. But I understand that Roger has to take care of his feet and has to pace himself. So even if he doesn't win in Cincy I still think the time off was good for him.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 03:12 AM
Was there an interview after the match, mine got cut off.

yanchr
08-16-2005, 03:21 AM
:lol: I made the same comment about Rogi during the match, he was sweatingg like Andy today out there. His shirt was soaked and he looked very fatigued. Its the humidity and he hasnt played in a while so his stamina might be down a bit.
You know what, in the middle of the match, I was doubting my eyes: was he wearing a grey-back T-shirt at the beginning? But now it suddenly changed into a black-back one :scratch: Then I thought my eyes were alright after a changeover because it turned back to grey. Yes, it's grey! :lol:

yanchr
08-16-2005, 03:24 AM
I'll be interested to see how Hewitt and Safin do tomorrow as neither of them have had much match play either. Roger was clearly out of sorts tonight, never really found his rhythm. He stepped it up when he had to but way to many UE's. I guess the only good thing is he still had more winners than UE's 33/29.
I had to doubt my eyes again seeing his winner stats :scratch: I was not sleeping well last night, so there might really be sth wrong with my eyes :lol:

nobama
08-16-2005, 03:27 AM
Was there an interview after the match, mine got cut off.I didn't see one. But then they cut away to soccer. I'd like to hear what he had to say about the match though.

yanchr
08-16-2005, 03:29 AM
Yeah this was odd to me. He wasn't hustling down balls like he usually does. When I saw him play at the TMC last year after the injury layoff, he looked fresh and rejuvenated even though he made a few errors against gaudio in the RR match.
Yes, I noticed the same thing. But I can somehow understand. It's better not to stretch his body too much after such a long break. Better do it gradually or when he had no other choice to survive.

And I got the feeling that in the 1st set he just wanted to stay in the long rally to feel the game and get his rhythm back so he was not as aggressive, just picked up his game at the crucial moments. It was good for him I guess.

nobama
08-16-2005, 03:31 AM
I had to doubt my eyes again seeing his winner stats :scratch: I was not sleeping well last night, so there might really be sth wrong with my eyes :lol:The only thing that comforts me is thinking back to tournaments like Dubai and Halle. Heck, even in Indian Wells Ivan the terrible was able to take him to two tie breaks. He started out slow, but won the tourny in the end. Hopefully that's how it will play out this week.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 03:35 AM
The only thing that comforts me is thinking back to tournaments like Dubai and Halle. Heck, even in Indian Wells Ivan the terrible was able to take him to two tie breaks. He started out slow, but won the tourny in the end. Hopefully that's how it will play out this week.

Yep we can only hope things get better, now off to pray for Rogi http://tinypic.com/alnqx2.gif

yanchr
08-16-2005, 04:30 AM
What Roger and Blake has to say briefly about the match:

Roger Federer: I think I was struggling all the way through. I was disappointed at times where I just couldn't make all the returns I wanted to. I was getting aced quite frequently, which is not normal things. It really just shows how the eye is not quite there like it was maybe in Wimbledon , obviously, in the finals, you know.

So it's just a matter of getting used to it. For this, I need to keep on winning, you know, to really get that back, or then in practice I have to play a lot of match situations, you know, play a lot of points.

Yeah, so, tomorrow's maybe good to also play some doubles.

James Blake: I think, you know, I played pretty well, but obviously not well enough to win. I really don't think Roger was at his best right now. He hasn't played in a little while, which I don't say as an insult, I say as a compliment. I think he beat me with less than 100% tonight, and that's something that guys on the top are able to do ‑ come up big on breakpoints, come up big in the tiebreaker.

He really did raise his game. Puts a little pressure on me when I know I've got to do something special to break him or come up with something a little better. Maybe I tried a little too much on a few of those breakpoints and he took advantage, and then he never gave up, you know. Being down Love‑40 on my service game, he still played a great game from there on out. I felt I should hold every time I'm up 40‑Love, but I can't fault myself too much for the way I played the rest of those points; he really attacked me on every single one.

I wish I could have won it, but, you know, he played pretty well when it came down to crunch time.

guinevere_79
08-16-2005, 04:42 AM
After Kiefer, Roger's draw opens up a little. I don't see any strong challenger in his section until he gets to the semifinal. Still, he shouldn't take any matches lightly.

I was not pleased with his performance, but he is usually like this in the beginning of tournaments. The fact that he managed to win in straight sets, and that he was able to raise his game at the right time (tiebreak, and Blake's 40-0 serve) shows that he is still the same old Roger, despite the 5-week sabbatical.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 05:07 AM
What Roger and Blake has to say briefly about the match:

Roger Federer: I think I was struggling all the way through. I was disappointed at times where I just couldn't make all the returns I wanted to. I was getting aced quite frequently, which is not normal things. It really just shows how the eye is not quite there like it was maybe in Wimbledon , obviously, in the finals, you know.

So it's just a matter of getting used to it. For this, I need to keep on winning, you know, to really get that back, or then in practice I have to play a lot of match situations, you know, play a lot of points.

Yeah, so, tomorrow's maybe good to also play some doubles.

James Blake: I think, you know, I played pretty well, but obviously not well enough to win. I really don't think Roger was at his best right now. He hasn't played in a little while, which I don't say as an insult, I say as a compliment. I think he beat me with less than 100% tonight, and that's something that guys on the top are able to do ‑ come up big on breakpoints, come up big in the tiebreaker.

He really did raise his game. Puts a little pressure on me when I know I've got to do something special to break him or come up with something a little better. Maybe I tried a little too much on a few of those breakpoints and he took advantage, and then he never gave up, you know. Being down Love‑40 on my service game, he still played a great game from there on out. I felt I should hold every time I'm up 40‑Love, but I can't fault myself too much for the way I played the rest of those points; he really attacked me on every single one.

I wish I could have won it, but, you know, he played pretty well when it came down to crunch time.

Thank you :worship: :worship:
Glad to see Roger feels like he needs more matches to get himself going again, I did notice he was getting aced more than normal and so did he. :eek: Roger and I think the same, do you think I have a chance with the great one ;)

Anyway thanks for the interviews :kiss:

lsy
08-16-2005, 05:43 AM
Yep we can only hope things get better, now off to pray for Rogi http://tinypic.com/alnqx2.gif

:lol: :lol: Yeah, I think we all need to http://tinypic.com/alnqx2.gif http://tinypic.com/alnqx2.gif http://tinypic.com/alnqx2.gif a lot from now till at least end of USO for Rogi...

Thanks for all the match details all of you, only got to watch few games before I have to be off to work and didn't manage to check results till now, probably it's good for me that I didn't follow the match, might be too nervous :o

In any circumstances, a straight sets win is always good, esp for someone who hasn't played for some time...but I am rather worried about Kiefer next :scared:

Mrs. B
08-16-2005, 07:24 AM
nice to know that the results of Roger's 1st round match was what i wanted to hear when i woke up this morning! :)

champs do get rusty sometimes, esp. as he hasn't played in weeks, but hopefully he'll get back into the hc groove as he gets in to more matches. now for some vitamin c to perk you up, Rogz. Have some Kiwi (fruit) ;)

and we are spoiled--- Roger plays badly in the first round (after a long break) and we complain. :o

Shabazza
08-16-2005, 08:51 AM
well Roger has the tendency to play a little off-guard in the beginning of tournaments. As he said he has to get used to cinci (playing doubles will definitely help :) ), I'm sure he'll improve his game! Good enough he managed to win in 2 sets, don't forget that Blake is no nobody either ;)

nobama
08-16-2005, 10:33 AM
James blake is a class act. I wished he would've drawn somoene else, because I'd liked to have seen him go farther in the tournament.

Roger's right though. He needs to get more matches under his belt and then he should be fine. But he still has to play well enough to win, and last night was cutting it close.

bavaria100
08-16-2005, 11:26 AM
Well done Roger :woohoo: , although I´m a bit sad :sad: because I like James too. It´s good that Roger made it through the first round this time. He really needs to get a few matches under his belt for the US Open and I am not expecting a title from him at this tourney.
Keep it up Roger!!!!

nobama
08-16-2005, 11:49 AM
Good thing is, even though Roger didn't look himself last night, I didn't see him get really angry or upset. He kept his composure and I'm sure he was thinking who cares what the scoreline is just win this thing in straight sets. Because he really focused there at the end, started applying pressure on Blake and forced some errors from him. I watched Roddick lose to Mathieu in Montreal and during that match he started to get annoyed by all sorts of things. Same with Agassi when he played Nadal, towards the end he started complaining about Nadal taking too much time in between points. But last night Roger stayed focused and it payed off in the end.

nobama
08-16-2005, 12:07 PM
Did anyone watch the match on ESPN? I'd be curious to know what McEnroe and Gilbert had to say. Because the guys on Star Sports went pretty easy on Roger. Pretty much whenever he missed a shot he would normally make one of them would say 'that's just lack of match play there'. The only annoying thing was a couple times when Roger missed a shot they said that Nadal would've made the shot. The thing is Roger playing at his best, or even just decent wouldn't have missed the shot. It's not like it was a play that Nadal has in his arenal that Roger doesn't.

yanchr
08-16-2005, 12:51 PM
I just saw a few-seconds aftermatch interview of Roger on TV and he looked pretty well and happy. So just take it easy :)

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:05 PM
I just saw a few-seconds aftermatch interview of Roger on TV and he looked pretty well and happy. So just take it easy :)Good to know. :)

nobama
08-16-2005, 01:07 PM
I just have to rant about this so bear with me....

Last night the Star Sports commentators said that Roger and Rafa would have to play each other in the finals here to know who was the better hard court player. What? :scratch: Since the start of the 2004 season Roger has won 12 hard court titles - including 4 TMS and 2 Grand Slams. This year he won IW and Miami back-to-back. That's only happend three other times since 1987 (1992 by Chang, 1994 by Sampras and 2001 by Agassi). Rafa's won exactly 1 hard court title. I'm not saying he won't win a lot more, but at this point I think it's premature to say he's better than Roger - or even Lleyton, Andy or Marat. It drives me nuts that commentators can be so fickle. Rafa wins 1 hard court title and now he's the best hard court player out there? Even when he hasn't beaten Roger, Andy, Lleyton or Marat on the surface yet? I think even Rafa would disagree with that statement.

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:08 PM
I saw a little of the match on ESPN and my impression was much different than when watching the slightly grainy PPLive video stream. Online it wasn't evident how close some of the balls were to the lines and in fact Roger got one or two bad calls.

People watching online were posting that he looked downcast and lackluster but on ESPN I thought he just looked normal. It was just a 1st round match so it would be out of place to be fist pumping and jumping around like a weenie. Maybe people think that's how a player should be after seeing so much of Nadal. I think it would have been disrespectful to Blake if Roger were bouncing around and acting like he wanted to blow him out of the water. Roger played it cool and that was classy.

All the comments I heard later were that Roger played well and did what he had to. They were saying the courts in Cincy bounce low where as in Montreal they bounce very high for a hard court.

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:18 PM
I just have to rant about this so bear with me....

Last night the Star Sports commentators said that Roger and Rafa would have to play each other in the finals here to know who was the better hard court player. What? :scratch: Since the start of the 2004 season Roger has won 12 hard court titles - including 4 TMS and 2 Grand Slams. This year he won IW and Miami back-to-back. That's only happend three other times since 1987 (1992 by Chang, 1994 by Sampras and 2001 by Agassi). Rafa's won exactly 1 hard court title. I'm not saying he won't win a lot more, but at this point I think it's premature to say he's better than Roger - or even Lleyton, Andy or Marat. It drives me nuts that commentators can be so fickle. Rafa wins 1 hard court title and now he's the best hard court player out there? Even when he hasn't beaten Roger, Andy, Lleyton or Marat on the surface yet? I think even Rafa would disagree with that statement.

I noticed that too, I guess if Andy beats Lleyton it would suddenly make him the better HC player now :retard:

yanchr
08-16-2005, 01:23 PM
I just have to rant about this so bear with me....

Last night the Star Sports commentators said that Roger and Rafa would have to play each other in the finals here to know who was the better hard court player. What? :scratch:
I'm bearing with you ;)

This is one thing that pissed me off from the commentators. I remember very clearly that one of them said Roger is the undisputed No.1 but Nadal was just a little bit behind Roger in Miami final and now he has improved so much. So maybe now Roger is not the best player, until they play again. What shit :confused:

But thinking of his love for Roger and actually miss him like we do, I forgive him for his seldom bullshit ;)

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:26 PM
I just have to rant about this so bear with me....

Last night the Star Sports commentators said that Roger and Rafa would have to play each other in the finals here to know who was the better hard court player. What? :scratch:

That doesn't make sense at all. That's really annoying. I am not sure of the background of those commentators or how much they really know about tennis. :confused: Besides Roger didn't play Montreal so perhaps Nadal wouldn't have won that if Roger had been there. For that matter if Hewitt didn't have the flu and lose in the first round it would have been different for Nadal also. The field was much weaker in Montreal and the bounce on the court was abnormally high. There are so many guys that Nadal still hasn't faced on hardcourt. He's never faced Safin at all, he's only played Roddick once on hardcourt and Roddic beat him, he's 0-3 with Hewitt on hardcourt. Not to mention all the other guys out there like J. Johannson, Ancic, Davydenko. It's just been crazy that so many have been injured this year.....so Nadal made his move at the right time. The fact that he stuck to clay court all year to increase his ranking helps him because now his seeding is more protected on the hardcourt tourneys.

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:27 PM
I noticed that too, I guess if Andy beats Lleyton it would suddenly make him the better HC player now :retard:

Well Hewitt is 3-0 over Nadal so that must make him the best hardcourt player in the world!

oneandonlyhsn
08-16-2005, 01:33 PM
Oh well in the end they are all a bunch of idiots. I will cheering for Fed/Allegro in the doubles today, the more he can play the better. Too bad I wont be able to watch the match though thanks to my awful coverage http://forum.ragezone.com/images/smilies/bash.gif

Go Roger Go

yanchr
08-16-2005, 01:33 PM
All the comments I heard later were that Roger played well and did what he had to. They were saying the courts in Cincy bounce low where as in Montreal they bounce very high for a hard court.
I watched the match on TV, and yes, he was bad. Who made the comments are blind to say Roger played well :rolleyes: but are not blind about the low bounce. I noticed that too. I immediately thought of Nadal because that surely will do his game some damage while favors Roger :p

BTW, the commentators are basically good ones who seldom made bad comments :p

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:47 PM
I watched the match on TV, and yes, he was bad. Who made the comments are blind to say Roger played well :rolleyes: but are not blind about the low bounce. I noticed that too. I immediately thought of Nadal because that surely will do his game some damage while favors Roger :p

BTW, the commentators are basically good ones who seldom made bad comments :p

Roger played well because he was able to turn up his level at moments when he needed to. He handled the tie break perfectly....it was routine. He played loose and casual but when he wanted to close out the match he started to move like a dancer again and it looked easy. This has happened time and time again at the start of tourneys for Roger. I don't understand the point of criticising him. He won in straight sets, didn't he?

Furthermore, the commentators might be basically good, but for them to say that if Nadal were to beat Roger here it would make him the best hardcourt player.....sounds compleately unknowldegleble and childish. They would be ingoring Hewitt's 3-0 hardcourt record over Nadal. They would be ignoring that Nadal hasn't beaten Safin, Roddick, Davydenko, Ancic, or Pim Pim on hardcourt. They would be ignoring that Federer didn't even play Montreal so he didn't have a chance to win that. It's rather like they want to proclaim who is the best player in the given week.....not looking at the big picture.

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:52 PM
I didn't see one. But then they cut away to soccer. I'd like to hear what he had to say about the match though.
FOOTBALL, not soccer, sorry just had to correct you.

PamV
08-16-2005, 01:52 PM
I'm bearing with you ;)

I remember very clearly that one of them said Roger is the undisputed No.1 but Nadal was just a little bit behind Roger in Miami final and now he has improved so much. So maybe now Roger is not the best player, until they play again. What shit :confused:



And also to say Nadal was just a little behind Roger, is also not looking at the fact that Roger just won IW the week before while Nadal didn't play IW at all. So Roger would have been more fatigued to start with. Also Roddick and Safin were in Nadal's draw but lost early because of injury or what ever....but basically Nadal didn't even have to work to get to the Miami final. If people want to make judgements based on 2 or 3 matches then all those little details should be taken into consideration.

1sun
08-16-2005, 01:53 PM
by the way, i think that stream we watched it on last nite will show safin, hewit and nadal. im intrigued to see how they play.

Whistleway
08-16-2005, 02:12 PM
mirkaland, Where do you get Star sports in US? !!

Skyward
08-16-2005, 02:27 PM
....but basically Nadal didn't even have to work to get to the Miami final. .

Come on, he had to beat Ljubicic who was hot at the time. The tour is very deep right now, everyone can present some problems for top players. We saw it last night.

yanchr
08-16-2005, 02:28 PM
Roger played well because he was able to turn up his level at moments when he needed to. He handled the tie break perfectly....it was routine. He played loose and casual but when he wanted to close out the match he started to move like a dancer again and it looked easy. This has happened time and time again at the start of tourneys for Roger. I don't understand the point of criticising him. He won in straight sets, didn't he?

Furthermore, the commentators might be basically good, but for them to say that if Nadal were to beat Roger here it would make him the best hardcourt player.....sounds compleately unknowldegleble and childish. They would be ingoring Hewitt's 3-0 hardcourt record over Nadal. They would be ignoring that Nadal hasn't beaten Safin, Roddick, Davydenko, Ancic, or Pim Pim on hardcourt. They would be ignoring that Federer didn't even play Montreal so he didn't have a chance to win that. It's rather like they want to proclaim who is the best player in the given week.....not looking at the big picture.
Don't be too sensitive. I'm a Roger fan ;) :wavey:

I'm not criticizing him. I'm just telling what I saw. And I said it's understandable and forgivable. And I'm happy with the win.

Again, try not to be too bothered by what the commentators had to say. I guess they are just too eager to see the match between them actually happen, hence the stupid comment. All in all racquets are in Roger's and Nadal's hand, not theirs, or ours.

ExpectedWinner
08-16-2005, 03:18 PM
Furthermore, the commentators might be basically good, but for them to say that if Nadal were to beat Roger here it would make him the best hardcourt player.....sounds compleately unknowldegleble and childish. They would be ingoring Hewitt's 3-0 hardcourt record over Nadal. They would be ignoring that Nadal hasn't beaten Safin, Roddick, Davydenko, Ancic, or Pim Pim on hardcourt. They would be ignoring that Federer didn't even play Montreal so he didn't have a chance to win that. It's rather like they want to proclaim who is the best player in the given week.....not looking at the big picture.


Blah.., blah.. PamV, the way you are talking about Nadal only shows how concerned you are. You are like honey for bees, and bees are Nadal's fans.

fightclubber
08-16-2005, 04:08 PM
You know what, in the middle of the match, I was doubting my eyes: was he wearing a grey-back T-shirt at the beginning? But now it suddenly changed into a black-back one :scratch: Then I thought my eyes were alright after a changeover because it turned back to grey. Yes, it's grey! :lol:
Roger??
He was in red and grey! heee heeee;)

Dirk
08-16-2005, 04:09 PM
Pam needs a chill pill. Roger will get better here match per match. He knows how tough Kiefer will be. Roger should beat Nadal and if he can't keep his errors in check vs him than he deserves to lose.

fightclubber
08-16-2005, 04:59 PM
Oh stop talking about Rafa. If Roger has to face him will by the weekend... and we still have many rounds to go.
Wont you be thinking more about him than Roger?
SIlvy:worship:

Raquel
08-16-2005, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the reports yanchr and everyone else. I never got to see this match but I am just glad he won it in straight sets. Maybe a tough two setter is just what he needed to help get sharp again.

Well done Roger and good luck tomorrow :hug:

1sun
08-16-2005, 05:54 PM
Blah.., blah.. PamV, the way you are talking about Nadal only shows how concerned you are. You are like honey for bees, and bees are Nadal's fans.
nah she has a point. the commentators logic is so stupid. i was pissed when i herd it as well. and was thinking wtf?

1sun
08-16-2005, 05:55 PM
mirkaland, Where do you get Star sports in US? !!
its a stream on the net.

nobama
08-16-2005, 05:56 PM
FOOTBALL, not soccer, sorry just had to correct you.Aw, come on. Even Roger calls it soccer.

SUKTUEN
08-16-2005, 05:57 PM
Roger~!!!
Play better in next round please~! :worship: :p

You can do it~! Remember YOU are THE KING~! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

nobama
08-16-2005, 06:01 PM
I noticed that too, I guess if Andy beats Lleyton it would suddenly make him the better HC player now :retard:Oh and I forgot to mention in my post that included in the 12 hc wins was the TMC (which he also won in 2003), where he had to beat Safin and Hewitt (twice).

Just to be clear that post has nothing to do with being worried about Nadal or downplaying him or his chances on hc. It was just a response to the stupidity of the comment. One win on a surface does not make you the favorite on that surface, I don't care who you are. When Nadal is consistently beating the top 5 and winning titles on hc, then he can be called the favorite.

nobama
08-16-2005, 06:06 PM
All the comments I heard later were that Roger played well and did what he had to. They were saying the courts in Cincy bounce low where as in Montreal they bounce very high for a hard court.The only thing they're right about is Roger did what he had to do (i.e., he won). But if anyone says he played well last night they're :cuckoo: I purposely didn't watch any of it on ESPN because it was such a crap match (and cuz I already watched it online). Roger didn't play well, there's no getting around that fact. But as I said on another post he should've lost to Soderling at Halle but he won, and then ended up winning the tournament. So if he can get past Kiefer and looks better than he did last night I'm hopefull he can win this thing.

SUKTUEN
08-16-2005, 06:06 PM
I do not watch the first set, I will watch it today

andrada
08-16-2005, 06:48 PM
the first round is always hard.condratulations and good luck in the next round

SUKTUEN
08-16-2005, 06:52 PM
next round Roger must be more open~!

ExpectedWinner
08-16-2005, 09:36 PM
nah she has a point. the commentators logic is so stupid. i was pissed when i herd it as well. and was thinking wtf?

I don't care about commentators. PamV always says the same thing- Nadal had easy draws, he didn't have to work hard; Roger wasn't there, Hewitt wasn't there, blah..., and everybody were tired when they faced Nadal, blah,.. blah.. It's as stupid as saying that Federer wins Wimbledon because Sampras retired and nobody plays effective s&v game any more.

Seleshfan
08-16-2005, 10:37 PM
I don't care about commentators. PamV always says the same thing- Nadal had easy draws, he didn't have to work hard; Roger wasn't there, Hewitt wasn't there, blah..., and everybody were tired when they faced Nadal, blah,.. blah.. It's as stupid as saying that Federer wins Wimbledon because Sampras retired and nobody plays effective s&v game any more.


I don't think this is an accurate analogy. PamV seems to be bringing up a valid point. How can you say Nadal is a good hard-courter, when he didn't have to play the best on the surface currently (e.g., top players Safin, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick). She's not saying that he's not a good hard courter, because he didn't play against the best hard courters throughout the history of the game (although he did play an over the hill all time hard court great Agassi). Federer won Wimbledon defeating the 2nd best player on grass (Roddick) and former Wimbledon champ (Hewitt) who both are in the top 5 incidentally. (I think they're in the top 5, never pay too much attention to ranking, and too lazy to look it up for the sake of this point)

ExpectedWinner
08-16-2005, 11:04 PM
I don't think this is an accurate analogy. PamV seems to be bringing up a valid point. How can you say Nadal is a good hard-courter, when he didn't have to play the best on the surface currently (e.g., top players Safin, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick). She's not saying that he's not a good hard courter, because he didn't play against the best hard courters throughout the history of the game (although he did play an over the hill all time hard court great Agassi). Federer won Wimbledon defeating the 2nd best player on grass (Roddick) and former Wimbledon champ (Hewitt) who both are in the top 5 incidentally. (I think they're in the top 5, never pay too much attention to ranking, and too lazy to look it up for the sake of this point)


I'm not talking only about hc. PamV also questioned his wins on clay. She said that all clay courters were small and couldn't overpower him and he didn't have to face in form Kuerten.

When Federer won his 1 st Wimbledon title, he didn't have to beat Hewitt, the defending champion who lost in the 1st round. It did not matter to me, the win was legitimate. The same applies to Nadal, no double standards, please.

Regarding hc- you have to take into consideration current form. Roddick lost to Ginepri, Safin and Fed are coming back after the unjury, and Hewitt has been busy with family matters. Whoever Nadal had to beat were the best on hc last week . Note that I've never said that Nadal was the best player on hc this year.

Once again- I don't care what the media says. They are chasing hot commodities, selling breaking news and other bs. Nadal won 3 titles in 3 weeks, he's the pony they are riding at the moment. I don't listen to them.

:wavey: I have to go to bed. It's night here, in Estonia. Enjoy Berdych-Nadal match. LOL

nobama
08-16-2005, 11:19 PM
Here's some comments from Blake after the match. Class act all the way. :yeah:

Q. Beyond how he plays, how would you say Roger has handled being No. 1 and having the fame that goes along with that?

JAMES BLAKE: I think if possible even better than the way he plays. It's been pretty much flawless. He hasn't changed a bit. He hasn't been arrogant in the locker room; he never is. You know, that's great to see someone that does it with class. He doesn't intentionally get in anyone's face. He doesn't put people down. He goes about his business, he does everything he can, and he's still very accessible to fans. He's accessible, I'm sure, to the media; I'm sure they'll tell you the same thing. To put a -- to add an anecdote to how great of a person he is, when I broke my neck last year in Rome, I got a visit from a couple of the Americans, but I got one note in the hospital and that was from Roger saying, "We'll miss you and we really hope you get back here quickly." That says a lot about a person that's No. 1 in the world and doesn't need another friend out here. He really is a class act. I applaud him for being a champion on and off the court.

Q. What do you think it would take for him to kind of light a fire as far as the American audience coming to his game and his way of play?

JAMES BLAKE: Get an American passport (smiling). I mean, that's the only thing I can think of. It seems that the American fans are going to always be partial to Andy Roddick, myself, Mardy Fish, Taylor Dent, Robby Ginepri. And I do think they appreciate him everywhere in the world, though, because of the way he does go about it. But he's not going to come in with the attitude of even a Nadal or a Lleyton Hewitt or anything like that, he's going to go about his business. It took a little while, I think, for the fans to warm to Pete Sampras. I think he's comparable to that because he goes about his business, he doesn't throw temper tantrums, he doesn't throw his racquet, he doesn't do anything like that, and he doesn't, you know, disrespect any of the umpires. He goes about it in a very honorable way, which I really appreciate. And I think the fans, as he gets closer and closer to history, will appreciate it more and more, that he goes about it the right way. I hope especially parents take note of that and let their kids know that, "All right, this guy's the best in the world and he does it the right way." When I was a kid, I was a brat, and I unfortunately had John McEnroe as No. 1 in the world so I could say to my coach, "Look, he does it." So now hopefully those 12-year-olds that are brats, their parents can say, "Look, he's No. 1, and he's doing it the right way." So I hope kids see that.

Seleshfan
08-16-2005, 11:35 PM
I'm not talking only about hc. PamV also questioned his wins on clay. She said that all clay courters were small and couldn't overpower him and he didn't have to face in form Kuerten.

When Federer won his 1 st Wimbledon title, he didn't have to beat Hewitt, the defending champion who lost in the 1st round. It did not matter to me, the win was legitimate. The same applies to Nadal, no double standards, please.

Regarding hc- you have to take into consideration current form. Roddick lost to Ginepri, Safin and Fed are coming back after the unjury, and Hewitt has been busy with family matters. Whoever Nadal had to beat were the best on hc last week . Note that I've never said that Nadal was the best player on hc this year.

Once again- I don't care what the media says. They are chasing hot commodities, selling breaking news and other bs. Nadal won 3 titles in 3 weeks, he's the pony they are riding at the moment. I don't listen to them.

:wavey: I have to go to bed. It's night here, in Estonia. Enjoy Berdych-Nadal match. LOL

And I wasn't talking about PamV questioning Nadal on clay. Nor did I say that you claimed Nadal was the best on hc. My only beef was with your flawed analogy.

nobama
08-16-2005, 11:56 PM
Roger's doubles match was postponed until tomorrow. Not sure what time. I'm guessing after his singles match.

PamV
08-17-2005, 12:09 AM
I don't care about commentators. PamV always says the same thing- Nadal had easy draws, he didn't have to work hard; Roger wasn't there, Hewitt wasn't there, blah..., and everybody were tired when they faced Nadal, blah,.. blah.. It's as stupid as saying that Federer wins Wimbledon because Sampras retired and nobody plays effective s&v game any more.

It does matter who was entered in the Montreal tournament. How could Nadal be the best on HC after winning one or two tournaments? Hey....what's the big deal are you upset that we aren't going to agree with that faulty logic? Does this mean that if someone beats Nadal on clay once they become the new best clay court player?

PamV
08-17-2005, 12:21 AM
I'm not talking only about hc. PamV also questioned his wins on clay. She said that all clay courters were small and couldn't overpower him and he didn't have to face in form Kuerten.

When Federer won his 1 st Wimbledon title, he didn't have to beat Hewitt, the defending champion who lost in the 1st round. It did not matter to me, the win was legitimate. The same applies to Nadal, no double standards, please.



My point was that ONE REASON Nadal can so completely dominate the rest of the clay court field is that the clay court field are mostly small guys under 6' tall and they aren't as muscular. Furthermore there isn't a second best guy out there who is close physically and can give him competition. I am just explaining part of why he's been so unbeatable on clay. Conversely in hard court tennis it's not as if Roger only has to play against guys who are smaller and less muscular. The hard court guys are mostly either Roger's size or bigger. Hewitt and Agassi are the smallest of the top hard courters.

As for Roger's first Wimby.....Roger had to beat Roddick, and Philippousis who at the time were huge servers. Roddick was at the height of his abilty in 2003 and 2004. Later in 2004 and 2005 Roger did beat Hewitt and Roddick at Wimby.

PamV
08-17-2005, 12:35 AM
And I wasn't talking about PamV questioning Nadal on clay. Nor did I say that you claimed Nadal was the best on hc. My only beef was with your flawed analogy.

And I didn't question him on clay any way. All I meant was that I don't think the rest of the clay field can challenge him because none of them have the abilty of a Kuerten, none of them can impose enough physically. That allows Nadal to make a clean sweep of all the clay titles.

nobama
08-17-2005, 01:31 AM
If Rogi had played Berdych in his first round he would've been out on his ass so fast. This guy can play and he just took Rafa to a thrid set! he's playing some awesome tennis and Rafa looks v. tired. Holy Shit! :eek:

PamV
08-17-2005, 02:12 AM
If Rogi had played Berdych in his first round he would've been out on his ass so fast. This guy can play and he just took Rafa to a thrid set! he's playing some awesome tennis and Rafa looks v. tired. Holy Shit! :eek:

Berdych misses the easy shots more than the hard ones. So often he's been hitting into the net. I wonder if he gets nervous because he's been setting up his shots the right way and just when he has open court and the time he misses.

I still think you are over reacting about Roger's first round. Haven't you watched the way his early rounds often are? It's not like Roger was down match points or that he looked panicked.

HEY....Berdych broke Nadal in the 3rd set and is serving for the match....but now he's flustered. Maybe he's a choker. That would explain the misses at the easiest shots.

dewolv
08-17-2005, 02:46 AM
Nadal is out !!! 6-7,6-2,7-6 Lost to
Tomas Berdych

RogiFan88
08-17-2005, 03:10 AM
A sign for ROGI... ;)

GO, ROGI!! Beat that annoying one.

PamV
08-17-2005, 03:13 AM
Nadal is out !!! 6-7,6-2,7-6 Lost to
Tomas Berdych

I am glad Berdych didn't choke at the end.

I hope some people will now understand how it is going from winning one tourney to playing right away in the next. Some people always think it's excuse making to say a player would be tired but it's not.

Roger's got a tough match tomorrow with Kiefer! Go Roger Go Roger!