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Nimomunz
08-10-2005, 01:50 PM
so theres this lady Cindy Sheehan whos camping outside Bushes Crawford ranch as she wants to talk to the President and ask him why her son had to die and Bush is ignoring her!! WTF?!

This is from CBS news. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/07/national/main763705.shtml)


The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch shares the same grief as relatives mourning the deaths of Ohio Marines, yet their views about the war differ.

"I'm angry. I want the troops home," Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who staged a protest that she vowed on Sunday to continue until she can personally ask Bush: "Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?"

Jim Boskovitch, father of slain Cpl. Jeffery Boskovitch, 25, of North Royalton, Ohio, is supporting the U.S. military action in Iraq.

"I firmly believe, and I would echo my son's feeling on this, it is very, very important for our country to remain steadfast and complete the mission that they set out to accomplish," Boskovitch told ABC on Sunday.

Boskovitch is among several families mourning Ohio Marines who suffered heavy losses in three attacks starting July 28, when two were killed in a gun battle. On Monday, five were killed in an ambush. Nine were killed Wednesday when an armored vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb.

Rosemary Palmer, the mother of Lance Cpl. Edward Schroeder, 23, another Ohio Marine killed in Iraq, sided more with Sheehan. If the United States continues its current course in Iraq, the death toll of U.S. troops, now at more than 1,820, will only grow, she told ABC.

"We either have to have more people there to do the job and better equipment, or we have to leave ó one or the other," she said.

Boskovitch said his son, Jeff, "felt extremely, extremely strongly about the Iraqi people and our government deciding to go over there."

"His commander in chief needed him to be there, as well as those fellow soldiers, to help those people, help that country to be able to stand on its own and to liberate those people," Boskovitch told ABC.

Sheehan was among grieving military families who met with Bush in June 2004 at Fort Lewis, near Seattle, Wash. That was just two months after her son, Casey, was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, on April 4, 2004.

Since then, she said, various government and independent commission reports have disputed the Bush administration's claims that Saddam Hussein had mass-killing chemical and biological weapons ó a main justification for the March 2003 invasion.

"I was still in shock then," Sheehan said in a telephone interview.

"All of those reports prove my son died needlessly," said Sheehan. "This proved that every reason George Bush gave us for going to war was wrong."

Sheehan, who formed a group called Gold Star Families For Peace and has spoken out against the war across the nation, talked for about 45 minutes on Saturday with Steve Hadley, Bush's national security adviser, and Joe Hagin, deputy White House chief of staff, who went out to hear her concerns.

Appreciative of their attention, yet undaunted, Sheehan said she planned to continue her protest along the road during Bush's stay through the end of the month.

"If he doesn't come out and talk to me in Crawford, I'll follow him to D.C.," she said. "I'll camp on his lawn in D.C. until he has the courtesy and the integrity and the compassion to talk to somebody whose life he has ruined."

Now other families are joining her:

CRAWFORD, Texas, Aug. 10 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Members of Gold Star Families for Peace and Military Families Speak Out are beginning to arrive in Crawford, Texas, to add their voices to Cindy Sheehan's, calling for a meeting with President Bush and for troops to be brought home now.

The following Gold Star and Military Families Speak Out members are available for interview:

Celeste, Dante and Raphael Zappala of Philadelphia. Celeste and her son Dante arrived in Crawford on Tuesday Aug. 9; son Raphael will arrive Friday night Aug. 12. Celeste's son Sgt. Sherwood Baker (Dante and Raphael's brother) was the first Pennsylvania National Guardsman to die in combat since World War II. He was killed in action in Baghdad on April 26, 2004 while searching for non-existent WMD's. Celeste is a co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace.

Tammara Rosenleaf of Belton, Texas arrived in Crawford on Tuesday, Aug. 9. Tammara's husband serves in the Army, stationed at Ft. Hood, and will be deploying to Iraq this fall.

Lietta Ruger of Bay Center, Wash., will be arriving in Crawford Wednesday morning, Aug. 10. Lietta's son-in-law and nephew serve in the 1st Armored Division of the U.S. Army and are currently in Germany. They have both served extended 15-month tours of duty in Iraq; they are both under stop-loss orders and due to re-deploy to Iraq this fall.

Linda and Phil Waste of Hinesville, Ga., will arrive in Crawford Wednesday morning Aug. 10. Linda and Phil have three sons and two grandchildren (a grandson and a granddaughter) who are active-duty military. Together, they have already spent a total of over 57 months on tours of duty in Iraq. Several of these children/grandchildren are currently serving in Iraq, and have served extended and multiple deployments.

Jean Prewitt of Birmingham, Ala., will arrive in Crawford on Wednesday morning, Aug. 10. Jean's son Private Kelly Prewitt was killed in action during the first few weeks of the war in Iraq, on April 6, 2003.

Valarie Fletcher of Seymour, Mo., is driving to Crawford and arriving Wednesday evening, Aug. 10. Valarie's son serves in the Marines and will be deploying to Iraq at the end of this month.

Sherry Bohlen of Scottsdale, Ariz., is driving to Crawford and arriving on Wednesday evening, Aug. 10. Sherry's son serves in the Army and deployed to Iraq on June 10.

Rebecca Bahr of Scottsdale, Ariz.,is driving to Crawford and arriving on Wednesday evening Aug. 10. Rebecca's daughter serves in the Marines and is currently stateside.

Caryn Unsicker of Silvis, Ill., is driving to Crawford and arriving Wednesday evening, Aug. 10. Caryn's son serves in the Marines, currently stateside.

Anne Sapp and her daughters Lydia (age 17) and Mary (age 8) of Billerica, Mass., will be arriving in Crawford on Thursday morning, Aug. 11. Anne's husband/Lydia and Mary's father is a Staff Sergeant in the Massachusetts National Guard and currently serving in Iraq.

Barbara Porchia of Camden, Ark., will be arriving in Crawford on Thursday morning Aug. 11. Barbara's son, Army Reservist Private 1st Class Jonathan Cheatham, was killed in action in Baghdad two years ago, on July 26, 2003.

Sue Niederer of Pennington, N.J., will be arriving in Crawford on Thursday morning Aug. 11. Sue's son, 1st Lieutenant Seth Dvorin, was killed in action near Iskandariyah, Iraq on Feb. 3, 2004. Sue is a co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace.

Kristin Williams and Matthew Williams of Dallas will be arriving in Crawford this weekend (Aug. 13 - 14). Matthew Williams is an Iraq War Veteran who served as a combat medic for one year in Iraq (2003 - 2004). He was honorably discharged from the Army. Kristin is his sister.

Bill Mitchell of Atascadero, Calif., will be arriving in Crawford in the next several days. Bill's son Sgt. Michael Mitchell was killed in action in Sadr City, Iraq on April 4, 2004, along with Cindy Sheehan's son Spc. Casey Sheehan. Bill is a co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace.

Mimi Evans of Hyannis, Mass., will be arriving in Crawford on Tuesday, Aug. 16. Mimi's son serves in the Marines; he will be deployed to Fallujah, Iraq in the next two weeks.

Eric Blickenstaff of Portland, Ore., will be arriving in Crawford early next week. Eric's brother Spc. Joseph Blickenstaff served in the Army and was killed when his Stryker vehicle rolled into a ditch on Dec. 8, 2003 in Balad, Iraq.

For more information: Military Families Speak Out: http://www.mfso.org. Gold Star Families for Peace: http://www.gsfp.org.

What do you think?

Mistaflava
08-10-2005, 01:53 PM
why would Bush acknowledge her? Her son signed up to defend his Country and along with 1800 young/old soldiers, has now lost his life. It is very unfortunate. However, she is one of many mothers who no longer have a son or daughter.

Bush can't take care of every single protest against him and his government. Anyways, I feel bad for her and all the other parents but someone has to do the dirty work and US families are paying for it.

Jim Jones
08-10-2005, 01:54 PM
I think she is an extremist or is being used by extremists, you know, extremists are the group of people you claim to abhor.

Mistaflava
08-10-2005, 01:58 PM
she is not an extremist...she is a distraught mother.

Nimomunz
08-10-2005, 02:24 PM
she was informed that beginningThursday her and her band of supporters would be considered 'national security risks. Why Thursday when on Monday she's not? Well on Thurs, Condeleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfield arrive to chat with the president. and better yet on Fri theres a FUNDRAISER for all his cronies.
Wat she wants is more than an actual meeting, she wants the president to acknowledge that soldiers are dying. Did you know that Bush has never been to a soldiers funeral and he calls himself the war president?

Mistaflava
08-10-2005, 02:29 PM
So what? The second Bush commits to one funeral, he will accused of not showing up to other funerals. If he shows up to a Hispanic soldier's funeral, then he will be called racist for not attending a black funeral.

He is a war President and he has done a phenomenal job so far. I hate that soldiers are dying, but every single one of those soldiers know why they are there. The US is doing a good thing (unlike most people think). The are like a school principal. Without a principal in the world, all hell would break loose. Bush can't attend funerals or anything like that. He is the President and the President is busy.

Mistaflava
08-10-2005, 02:30 PM
btw...Kaysar is re-entering the house soon...

Nimomunz
08-10-2005, 02:40 PM
bush is to busy in going to fundraisers and having five week long vacations where he gets back to his 'Texas roots' (note he was born and lived most of his life in New England) to attend a funeral. he couldnt even attend a memorial service for hundreds of soldiers in OHio and they were of all colors.

Nimomunz
08-10-2005, 02:43 PM
"the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute"- Maureen Dowd

El Legenda
08-10-2005, 03:06 PM
the funny thing is, that lady probly voted for Bush.

Jim Jones
08-10-2005, 06:13 PM
How do you know she voted for Bush, are you psychic? Maybe she did not vote at all. Maybe the Mum is not an extremist but her friends there are certainly, of the left. As for Nimitz, Bush is now a Texan even though he was not born and brought up there. He migrated there during his adult like and prefectly integrated himself. Nimitz, the right is right.

Nimomunz
08-10-2005, 06:28 PM
now jim jones why do you post when you have nothing to contribute to the debate? talk to me about bush's reason for hiding from her et al and stop the Rovesque manner of throwing sleaze at a woman whose son died for this country and the ill-gotten gains of your-so-called- right Right!

El Legenda
08-10-2005, 06:39 PM
How do you know she voted for Bush, are you psychic? .

Can you quote where i said she did vote for Bush?



Thank You Come again.

Jim Jones
08-10-2005, 07:02 PM
You said probably voted for Bush. the word probably is stronger than might and so you almost assume that she voted for Bush.
Nimitz, Bush does not want to talk with extremists because that's what they are. What possibly will come of good if he does talk ith her which I can assure you he won't. Oh I'll contribute don't worry and Rducky I will come back again ;)

Nimomunz
08-10-2005, 07:18 PM
you havent said anything again!
i'm not running from you but you gotta say something worthwhile or at least offer proof of your statemnets. how is she extremist? Is it extremist to want your President to explain why your son had to die in a war he created?

El Legenda
08-10-2005, 07:54 PM
[QUOTE=Jim Jones]You said probably voted for Bush. the word probably is stronger than might and so you almost assume that she voted for Bush.
QUOTE]

your probly g@y. is that true?

Jim Jones
08-10-2005, 10:01 PM
Now be careful or nimitz will start calling you homophobic ;)
Nah I'm straight. And Nimitz I've answered your question. Those people are extremists, they just want to stir trouble and use the military mum for their cause. What does she want, for Bush to tell her what her son died for? Is that really worth it, it's stupid if you aslk me. Her son joined the army and in doing that he should be ready to fight for his country. I would and if I was American I would join the navy or Army which have the best forces in the world. By the way I like the title which implies that one should be shocked to see Bush ignore the Military Mum. Why should he meet her, did she come alone, was she ready to listen to Bush? For those of us who are naive the answer is no.

Winston's Human
08-11-2005, 04:11 AM
note he [Bush] was born and lived most of his life in New England.

That is untrue. While President Bush was born in Connecticut, he moved to Texas as a young child and has lived there his entire adult life (except for college and the presidency).

Fee
08-11-2005, 07:28 AM
Cindy Sheehan is not a 'left-wing extremist' of any type. She was actually fairly apolitical until her son died and the reports began to come out of the real mess that Iraq has become.

Quagmire accomplished. Worst President since the civil war, no doubt.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 12:28 PM
jim jones got nothing to say!
What have you said! Hey shes extremist because she didnt come alone dude you know nothing. do you even know the groups she went with did you even know why she's particularly pissed at the president. her son died two weeks into his stay in Iraq. The army that you lcaim you want to join is underprotected and thrust into a guerilla war with people who loathe them. for every insurgent killed hundreds more join the fight from Syria. she wants her president to explain why he had to be sent to a war. but above all he is hiding from the families of the soldiers killed. No matter how many speeches on sacrifice that he spews he doesnt know the sarifice that Cindy Sheehan knows.

Jim Jones
08-11-2005, 01:09 PM
Sometimes war is a necessary evil. Sheehan is not the only person who lost a son to war. There are those who lost children who fought as soldiers in Iraq and who still support the war. Sheehan is no more important than they are. I wanted Saddam to be overthrown befor even Iraq was making headlines. I also wanted Arisitide, Charles Taylor and Milosevic to be overthrown. For some of these leaders, the U.S. was responsible albeit in an indirect way for them to be overthrown. Clinton also was involved in wars, do you support mothers of dead soldiers going to his place in Arkansas for the war in Yugoslavia? U.S. soldeirs were involved.

Hey Nimitz, I said that her group was a bunch of extremists. She probably is one too. Yes you can lose a child who fought in a war and be an extremist. Ok, love to chat but have to head back to work.
Au revoir.

Socket
08-11-2005, 01:39 PM
Apparently, she met with Bush previously.

PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH
Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

CINDY 2004

THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

CINDY 2005

Sheehan's current comments are a striking departure.

In an interview Sunday on CNN, she claimed Bush "acted like it was party" when she met him.

"It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

"He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, 'So who are we honoring here?' He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him 'him' or 'he.' He called him 'your loved one.'

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...

Socket
08-11-2005, 01:43 PM
Article Launched: 08/08/2005 12:39:00 PM

In the eye of a political storm
By Tom Hall/Staff Writer


Last summer Cindy Sheehan got a face-to-face meeting with President Bush, complete with kisses and condolences.

Today the Vacaville resident is camped outside the president's Texas ranch -- in the glare of the national media spotlight -- demanding another face-to-face meeting, and ultimately his impeachment.

Sheehan's son Casey, an Army specialist, was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, in April 2004. Eleven weeks later, the Sheehan family traveled to Seattle for a 10-minute conversation with the president, who met with 16 other families who had lost love ones in Iraq.

In the ensuing months, Cindy Sheehan has become a focal point in the ongoing partisan battle over the Iraq war, drawing the praise of many anti-war Democrats and the ire of Republicans who back Bush's decision.

Sheehan's role in that battle exploded Monday morning, when Matt Drudge - the infamous commentator behind the popular Drudge Report, a right-leaning online news site - accused Sheehan of changing her tune to serve political purposes.

Drudge's story, headlined "Protesting Soldier Mom Changed Story on Bush' and posted in the highest slot on the Web site that receives more than 5 million visits per day, pulled quotes from a Sheehan interview published June 24, 2004, in The Reporter.

That story, by staff writer David Henson, was an account of Sheehan's visit with the president in Seattle.

In Henson's story, Sheehan spoke of how she and husband, Patrick, debated before the meeting whether to ask pointed questions about the war and whether to vent frustration over their son's sacrifice. Ultimately, the Sheehans decided not to criticize Bush in the meeting.

Afterward, Cindy Sheehan told Henson of a new-found respect toward Bush.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' she said in the story. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family


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to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' she said in the story.

Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her familiy, not the president.

Drudge also included most recent quotes from Sheehan highly critical of Bush and the 2004 meeting, including a statement the mother made Sunday to CNN.

"Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject,' Sheehan told correspondent Wolf Blitzer of the cable news network. "And he acted like it was a party.'

Drudge's report fueled opinions on both sides of the political spectrum Monday.

Posters on highly visited liberal Web log Daily Kos said Drudge's report was misleading, while right-wing bloggers, including the popular Michelle Malkin, echoed Drudge's sentiments that Sheehan was contradicting herself, perhaps for political reasons.

The Reporter decided to post Henson's 2004 story on www.thereporter.com today.

"It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions,' said Editor Diane Barney. "We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published.'

The Sheehan family could not be reached for comment.

Socket
08-11-2005, 01:44 PM
And this is the original story about Sheehan's meeting with Bush, republished in the same newspaper.

Article Launched: 06/24/2004 06:00:00 AM

Bush, Sheehans share moments
By David Henson/Staff Writer



Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.
Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.

David Henson can be reached at schools@thereporter.com.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 02:02 PM
i've said its not about the physical act of meeting families its about acknowledging in front of the public that people are dying. Why didnt he go to the Ohio memorial for dead soldiers. War is a necessary evil in life and i'm not ragging on any other war except the war on Iraq!
if you compare the overthrowing of Aristide, Taylor and Milosvic to the war in Iraq then you are wrong. They were overthrown by the people of the country with the help of the allied forces. there was no anti-US guerilla war like this.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 02:10 PM
there are many articles that say that she flipfloped (a right wing pet phrasae) on the issue orthat she has been 'love-bombed' by the anti-war movement. thats bullshit. she was never for the war and when her son got his calling orders they debated whether or not they would whisk him to Canada (ie just like the draft-dodgers of the infamous Vietnam war) or she would run over him with her car and break his leg.
most people dont join the army because they want to deliberately go fight in Iraq nowadays they join it for the benefits such as the paying of education and the cash bonuses but now even the Army is unable to fill its quota even though the Air Force and Navy are bursting at the seams with recruits. its because people dont wanna be called up for a war they dont believe in.
We can search for thousands of left leaning or right leaning articles that talk about Cindy and her aims.etc but i study political science and i can tell you that the three most politically influential newspaters in the US are the Washington Post, The NY times and the LA times and out of these three, two have come out in full support of her and her 'cronies' standing in a ditch wanting to talk to their president.
Even Nixon when the antiwar supporters had marched up to the White house at the height of the anti-Vietnam movement was overcome by his conscience-yes, Nixon was- and went out to talk to them albeit it was about football he had the balls to face his detractors.

Dirk
08-11-2005, 02:11 PM
Thank you so much Socket for exposing the double talk of this woman. I wish the media would give nearly as much time to parents who lost a child who support the war. Nimomunz Milosvic was carpet bombed out that is why we didn't lose any troops. You surely don't suggest we do the same in Iraq??? We still have troops over in Bosnia but I don't see any protests demanding they come home. The Iraqis didn't have the means to oust Saddam on their own. We along with the coalition are doing God's work over in Iraq. If we didn't put our resources and military on the line to help build up some kind of democratic nation there it would never get done. We leave now and it's Taliban part 2. I wonder how many pro-communist groups would get an anti Taliban protest march going on if that happened. Do you know how many Nimomunz? the same number that protested Pol Pot slaughtering a million people after the Vietnam war, the kind of horror we were fighting against. O.

Dirk
08-11-2005, 02:14 PM
She spoke to him already and high ranking officials did go out to meet her and her group. That says a lot. She needs to clear up what really happened the first time she meet him or she will lose all of her credibility, as if she hadn't already.

Gonzalo81
08-11-2005, 02:25 PM
We along with the coalition are doing "God's work" over in Iraq.

:rolleyes:

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 02:38 PM
Coalition
On March 15, 2005, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi announced that Italy would begin to withdraw its troops from Iraq in September 2005.
On March 15, 137 Ukrainian soldiers arrived home as part of the first group from that country's contingent in Iraq to withdraw from Iraq.
Moldova withdrew its contingent of 12 troops from Iraq in February 2005. The withdrawal had not been previously noted.

The Kingdom of Tonga withdrew its contingent of 40+ troops from Iraq in December 2004. The withdrawal had not been previously noted.

On March 14, 2005, The London Daily Telegraph reported that on March 7, 2005, Dutch military forces in Iraq handed over command in the province Al Muthanna to the British, thereby officially ending its mission in Iraq. It also reported that, as of March 14, 2005, only 200 Dutch troops were reported to still be in the province. They were scheduled to leave Iraq by the end of the month. The Associated Press reported on Mar. 15, that 150 troops had returned home on Feb. 21. The BBC reported on Mar. 15. that another 150 had returned home that day, but 800 troops were still in Iraq.
Ukraine's defense ministry announced that it would begin withdrawing its troops from Iraq on March 15, with the departure of 150 troops.
Poland is slated to withdraw several additional hundred soldiers from Iraq by summer
BBC News reported on Mar. 2, that Ukraine had outlined the timetable fo the withdrawal of its 1,650 or so troops in Iraq. They are to depart the country in three stages set between mid-March and October 2005. During the first phase, 150 troops would leave. They would be later followed by an additional 590 troops. The remaining Ukrainian soldiers are to leave Iraq by mid-October.
A contingent of 558 troops, as well as 40 liaison officers, from Georgia deployed on Mar. 02 for Iraq, via Kuwaitm where they will stay for two weeks. The troops are assigned to the Shavnabada Battalion. As a result, Georgia will have 898 troops in Iraq.
Albania announced on Feb. 25, that it would boost its troop contribution to Iraq by 50 in April 2005 during a regularly scheduled troop rotation.

Bushes coalition is leavin him.
But thats besides the case. the case is about the many families that have children who died in the war are going to support her in Crawford. The mainstream media has been slow on many things but they would be hardpressed to find these families. i keep saying that of course i dont expect the president to walk down his driveway and talk to her now. this is just indicative of the way he is reacting to the deaths of us soldiers abroad. he knows if he gets a bunch of families together for a photo op it would backfire on his face. someone will call him a murderer and his 'pristine' image as a war president will have a crack in it.

Cindy Sheehan has no political agenda? She's no Politician she's an Average American Citizen,a Taxpayer, Wife, Mother. she's a woman who honestly feels in her heart she deserves answers, it's her right as a citizen to ask, and expect her questions to be answered. All they can say is her son died for Iraqi Freedom - but only a dittohead brainless person would fall for such mindnumbing rubbish.
This mother is a gem - not just becoz she wants the boys home and the war to end, but because she is making it impossible for the president - and the country - to ignore the overwhelming body count. That small town in Ohio which lost some 20 men at nearly one time a week or so ago was a place any true leader would have sought out to comfort and to support his citizens and rally them in his belief that they did not die in vain. No show. Why? I think it's because Bush probably doesn't believe himself that they died for anything other than oil. In some ways I wish he would do it - for the sake of the brave men who have died and their families. On the other hand I hope he sticks to charcater and does not - because it seems to me that should tell America and the world just what his character truly is:no morals or ethics, without compassion, no scruples and no sincerity
she meant with Bush at a very low point in her life and was perhaps convinced by him. She thought that the gestures he made in that brief moment could be trusted. She thought they were genuine. But now Cindy knows that Bush was being dishonest with her that day. How does she know that? Because she found out that the WHY reason for war was a LIE. And so she would like a second chance to speak with him again and ask him "WHY?"
a radio station down in Texas wanted to hold a anti-Sheehan BBQ and it failed why/ because even in Texas they know that Bush is shit!
"Please be advised that due to lack of local interest, the pro-troop rally tentatively scheduled by KWTX-AM, KLFX-FM for this coming Saturday will not be taking place. Please tune into KWTX-AM, KLFX-FM on Monday for comprehensive news coverage and commentary on developments related to the Iraq war protest organized by Mrs. Cindy Sheehan, scheduled to be held in Crawford this Saturday. "

Socket
08-11-2005, 02:46 PM
While I feel sorry for Cindy Sheehan's loss, and I respect her right to express her opinion, I really despise the whole idea of trotting out bereaved family members to make political "gotcha" points. You could have found families of soldiers who died on Normandy Beach who would have said that they regretted that their sons died for a bunch of goddam Europeans. So what? For every Cindy Sheehan, there's going to be another mother who believes her son's death was not in vain, but for something important. I heard just such a mother on television last night (Mrs. Sheehan was supposed to be on that show, but she apparently was a last-minute no-show). Again, so what?

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 03:18 PM
their sons did not die for a goddamn europeans their sons died for the free world. the axis forces had their eye on US. do you not know bout pearl harbour? if you think the americans stormed the beaches of normaandy to free Europeans you are woefully mistaken. who is this unknown hand trotting out the bereaved families, they are coming out of their own free will from all over the US to tell the president look at us we are here we are the American faces of your war on iraq. we are here tell us all about why my son had to die.
Maureen dowd of the NY times said this:
It's hard to think of another president who lived in such meta-insulation. His rigidly controlled environment allows no chance encounters with anyone who disagrees. He never has to defend himself to anyone, and that is cognitively injurious. He's a populist who never meets people - an ordinary guy who clears brush, and brush is the only thing he talks to. Mr. Bush hails Texas as a place where he can return to his roots. But is he mixing it up there with anyone besides Vulcans, Pioneers and Rangers?

W.'s idea of consolation was to dispatch Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser, to talk to Ms. Sheehan, underscoring the inhumane humanitarianism of his foreign policy. Mr. Hadley is just a suit, one of the hard-line Unsweet Neo Cons who helped hype America into this war.

It's getting harder for the president to hide from the human consequences of his actions and to control human sentiment about the war by pulling a curtain over the 1,835 troops killed in Iraq; the more than 13,000 wounded, many shorn of limbs; and the number of slain Iraqi civilians - perhaps 25,000, or perhaps double or triple that. More people with impeccable credentials are coming forward to serve as a countervailing moral authority to challenge Mr. Bush.

Socket
08-11-2005, 03:25 PM
I think that you are deliberately misunderstanding my post about WWII because you don't have a good response to it.

Why doesn't Dowd acknowledge that Bush has already met with Sheehan? Even if Sheehan was/is dissatisfied with that meeting, it is relevant information. Dowd's article is an excellent example of what I despise, using a grieving parent for a political end, here supporting Dowd's anti-Bush position.

And, BTW, you should have listed the Wall Street Journal as one of the top 3 newspapers in the US, not the LA Times. And as for their influences, NYT, WaPo and LATimes all endorsed Kerry for president. Fat lot of good that did him.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 03:50 PM
You could have found families of soldiers who died on Normandy Beach who would have said that they regretted that their sons died for a bunch of goddam Europeans. So what?
were they any families? no the entire US supported the WW2 efforts esp after Pearl Harbour. you gotta explain what it is i seem to be missing!?

Dowd did mention the meeting:
The president met with her family two months after Casey's death. Capturing W.'s awkwardness in traversing the line between somber and joking, and his love of generic labels, Ms. Sheehan said that W. had referred to her as "Mom" throughout the meeting, and given her the sense that he did not know who her son was.

the LA times is far more influential thean the WSJ. i took a media in politics class. hell even the chicago Tribune and the Boston Globe are more influential than WSJ. i' not alking bout total amount of readers in which WSJ comes 2nd behind USA today i'm talking bout, influence.
Bush won because of values which is bullcrap to me because hey the economy is crap and people are dying in Iraq but we cant let two men kiss so we'll put the egocentric dumbass as president.

Socket
08-11-2005, 04:22 PM
If you think the entire US supported the country's entry into WWII, even after Pearl Harbor, you need to read more American history. Maybe it seems that way in the movies, but not in reality. And read up on Ambassador Joseph F. Kennedy, too. It's an eye-opener.

Read this book for how influential the WSJ is: Rosenberg, Jerry M.. Inside the Wall Street Journal : The History & the Power of Dow Jones & Company & America's Most Influential Newspaper.

Mistaflava
08-11-2005, 04:23 PM
Bottom line is...Bush is doing a great job. There will be haters and there will be lovers. Life goes on people.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 04:40 PM
People who support Bush blindly even when faced with his obvious wrongdoings make me SICK!! life goes on, well tell that to the people whose kids are dying in Iraq. tell that to the unemployed peole who cant afford to feed their children. Life doesnt go on, Mistaflave. Sometimed it ends.
This is not a liberal rant this is a rant of someone with a conscience.

Jim Jones
08-11-2005, 06:08 PM
i've said its not about the physical act of meeting families its about acknowledging in front of the public that people are dying. Why didnt he go to the Ohio memorial for dead soldiers. War is a necessary evil in life and i'm not ragging on any other war except the war on Iraq!
if you compare the overthrowing of Aristide, Taylor and Milosvic to the war in Iraq then you are wrong. They were overthrown by the people of the country with the help of the allied forces. there was no anti-US guerilla war like this.
Actually Arisitide was overthrown by U.S. troops helped by French agents and Charles Taylor was pressured to leave when U.S. troops entered Liberia. Local populations were not invloved. Only Milosevic was overthrown by the people. I forgot to mention the Taliban that was overthrown. Yes terrorism is rising in Iraq and even Afghanistan but that because these insurgenies are funded by outside groups sich as in Syria, Pakistan etc.. As I said previously and as I will say again and again this does not take away that Saddam regime had to be removed. Saddam should be put to death!!!

More the days go by and more and more am I thrilled that Saddam was overthrown. Now I want the Brits to become more realistic and do away with the human rights law as Blair promised which impedes the fight against the war against terrorism. Europe should introduce the death penalty instead of preaching to the Americans that killing is not good.

Jim Jones
08-11-2005, 06:25 PM
People who support Bush blindly even when faced with his obvious wrongdoings make me SICK!! life goes on, well tell that to the people whose kids are dying in Iraq. tell that to the unemployed peole who cant afford to feed their children. Life doesnt go on, Mistaflave. Sometimed it ends.
This is not a liberal rant this is a rant of someone with a conscience.
Actually it is a liberal rant. Don't think that you are trying to fool us.

You said, 'the LA times is far more influential thean the WSJ'- they are both serious newspapers and are not tabloid newspapers so what they say we can take seriously. Please stop telling us you took these and those classes. So have we all. You don't impress us. I have a masters degree in int relations, you don't see me showing off about it. In any case i'm more happy with the BA I have in business admin. but that's a personal thing :D

RE-EDIT: By the way you seem to know so much about Sheehan, is she a personal friend of yours? ;)

Socket
08-11-2005, 06:31 PM
*cough*

FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Cherie Quarterolo, Casey's aunt and godmother:

Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks – Cherie

In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 06:45 PM
they didnt carry him for nine months she did!
your telling me that the aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins have more say than than the mother............. i dont think so.

oneandonlyhsn
08-11-2005, 06:48 PM
they didnt carry him for nine months she did!
your telling me that the aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins have more say than than the mother............. i dont think so.

:worship: I love you mate

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 06:49 PM
I have a masters degree in int relations, you don't see me showing off about it.
the pot calling the kettle black.

Dirk
08-11-2005, 06:58 PM
So we are suppose to wait until we trace an attack back to Saddamn before we go in? He has been supporting terrorism for years and our forces busted up many terrorist camps that the news never covers. Bush should have been more through in speaking about it too. This war is not for the free world Nim?????? Don't you as a do gooder humanitarian (which you liberals claim to be) want to help free those 25 million Iraqis or just banish them to mass graves forever????? Our mission was never to go in and get the WMDs (which were moved out of the country beforehand, that is why the UN has sent teams into Syria to look for them and our own intelligence indicates the same) and then leave. We were always planning for a post war period that would leave a democratic nation standing. It took us seven years to do it in Germany and it took so long because there was a terrorist group of leftover nazis called Wolverines who were doing exactly the same things these monsters are doing apart from blowing themselves up. Of course the media today would probably have called them freedom fighters back then.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 07:06 PM
So we are suppose to wait until we trace an attack back to Saddamn before we go in? He has been supporting terrorism for years and our forces busted up many terrorist camps that the news never covers. Bush should have been more through in speaking about it too. This war is not for the free world Nim?????? Don't you as a do gooder humanitarian (which you liberals claim to be) want to help free those 25 million Iraqis or just banish them to mass graves forever????? Our mission was never to go in and get the WMDs (which were moved out of the country beforehand, that is why the UN has sent teams into Syria to look for them and our own intelligence indicates the same) and then leave. We were always planning for a post war period that would leave a democratic nation standing. It took us seven years to do it in Germany and it took so long because there was a terrorist group of leftover nazis called Wolverines who were doing exactly the same things these monsters are doing apart from blowing themselves up. Of course the media today would probably have called them freedom fighters back then.
even the bush cronies themselves have admitted that their reason for going is bullshit but now that they are their the reason has changed. dont spew that bullshit saddam had zero to doo with 9/11 and had no WMDs. now if W had said we're going to free the iraqis you know what he would have been told to shove it. why free the Iraqis but leave the Black sudanese, Congolese etc to suffer.

Socket
08-11-2005, 07:15 PM
they didnt carry him for nine months she did!
your telling me that the aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins have more say than than the mother............. i dont think so.
You're going to have a problem if he were adopted . . . :devil:

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 07:16 PM
:yawn: You're going to have a problem if he were adopted . . . :devil:

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 07:32 PM
anything you can do i can do better:
Washington -- A grieving Northern California mother's vigil near President Bush's Texas ranch is putting a human face on the toll of the Iraq war as she brings worldwide attention to her anguish.

Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville began camping in a ditch along the road leading to Crawford, Texas, on Saturday, determined to confront Bush over the death of her son Casey, a 24-year-old Army specialist who was killed in Sadr City on April 4, 2004.

That a grieving woman seeks to speak to the president or that she opposes the war is hardly news as the war rages in its third year. But the image of an anguished 48-year-old mother standing outside the vacation home of the most powerful leader in the world, asking him to explain her son's death, is compelling and has caught the attention of millions of people from Canada to New Zealand.

For Bush, Sheehan's presence seems to create a no-win situation.

If he invites her to talk, he further elevates her protest, potentially angers the other families of the more than 1,850 Americans who have died in Iraq and provides Sheehan a greater forum to spread her anti-war views.

If he ignores her, he risks appearing so callous that he doesn't have the time, or the inclination, to spend a few minutes of his vacation with a mother who lost her son as a direct consequence of the president's foreign policy decisions.

Bush dispatched national security adviser Steve Hadley and Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin to talk with Sheehan on Saturday -- a step Sheehan said was insufficient -- but has shown no willingness to invite her to the ranch. White House aides left reporters in Crawford with no sense that they were considering such a meeting.

Sheehan, who took shelter in a nearby motel Tuesday night after rain and lightning threatened her tent, said she will remain in Crawford through August unless she gets a "good'' meeting with the president or is arrested.

Fascination with the story is growing among the dozens of Washington journalists assigned to follow Bush in Crawford with little else to do, as well as among an ever-growing Internet audience. The Web site Technorati.com, which monitors Web logs, listed "Cindy Sheehan'' as its most frequently requested search.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other members of Bush's foreign policy team gathering in Crawford this morning must either helicopter to Bush's ranch or drive directly past Sheehan's encampment, where scores of supporters and reporters will be watching.

"Cindy is making history. She is also leading a movement,'' said Bob Fertik of Democrats.com, who helped Sheehan create the Web site: meetwithcindy. org.

Almost as quickly as Sheehan has been idealized by war opponents, she has been demonized by some war supporters, who consider her a pawn of the left.

Some parents of killed veterans have rejected her campaign and have stood by the president. Others have said her behavior is disrespectful.

"I don't know what is driving Mrs. Sheehan, but I do know she's being used,'' said conservative Fox News Channel host Bill O'Reilly. "No question that she has thrown in with the most radical elements in this country.''

O'Reilly cited her association with "Fahrenheit 9/11'' producer Michael Moore and other antiwar advocates as examples of her radicalization.

Among the criticism of Sheehan is that she already met with Bush, about two months after her son was killed, and emerged from that meeting saying positive things about the president.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis. I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith,'' she said in a 2004 interview with the Vacaville Reporter.

The comments were reprinted this week on the Drudge Report, an Internet site popular with conservatives, and were the basis of many attacks on talk radio, television and blogs accusing her of changing her story.

However, Drudge did not report everything Sheehan told the newspaper.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled,'' she also was quoted as saying. "The president has changed his reason for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached.''

In a note to readers Wednesday, Diane Barney, editor of the Vacaville Reporter, took issue with the suggestion that Sheehan has changed her story.

"We don't think there has been a dramatic turnaround. Clearly, Cindy Sheehan's outrage was festering even then,'' Barney wrote.

Sheehan has since complained that Bush didn't know her son's name when he entered the 10-minute meeting and did a poor job of sharing their sorrow.

If given the chance, Sheehan said in a conference call Wednesday with reporters, she has three things she wants to tell the president.

She wants to ask him what "noble cause'' her son died for; she wants to ask him if the cause is so noble, has he encouraged his own daughters to enlist; and she wants to tell him to stop saying the way to honor the troops killed in Iraq is to complete the mission.

"The only way they can honor my son's sacrifice is by bringing the troops home,'' she said.

say what:

The Iraq war is not a positive. That's why for two years we haven't been allowed to view soldiers' flag-draped coffins coming into Dover Air Force base. That's why the president keeps the cost of this war out of the official annual budget document, relegating it to supplemental appropriations instead. And that's why the administration would rather use terms like "coalition forces" rather than actually name the countries supporting us. After all, just how many troops do we really think can be supplied by Albania, Azerbaijan and Estonia?

Sadly, for most of us the Iraq war has become terrible noise in the background of our lives. It doesn't really reach us except when we turn on the television or open the newspaper or check our e-mail. That's where it pops up much like an unwelcome Internet ad that we can make disappear with a click. The problem is that it keeps popping up.

We are only a third of the way through August, and 31 more soldiers are dead. Car bombs. Insurgent attacks across the country. Carnage in the cities as well as in the countryside.

Thousands more of our wounded are coming home to rehabilitate their broken bodies and in some cases, tortured minds.

And as Sun-Times reporter Cheryl Reed has shown us in stunning detail, we talk a good game in this country about honoring the troops and respecting our veterans, but we fall disgracefully short of putting our money where our mouth is.

On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was his usual prickly self when asked how long we expect to keep our troops in Iraq and how long before we begin a promised drawdown. He and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, can't say. They have, in truth, never been able to tell us.

Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the rest of them who took us to this war by catering to our worst fears and filling us with false information continue to this day to defend the indefensible.

As the financial cost of this war approaches $200 billion and as we are fast moving toward our 2,000th casualty, something has to change.

Cindy Sheehan, waiting down at the end of the president's driveway in Texas, is right about this war.

Socket
08-11-2005, 09:10 PM
Actually, you're proving my original point, that it's despicable to use bereaved family members to make political "gotcha" points. Mrs. Sheehan and her now-divided family are now at the point of using the media to issue their opposing press statements, with Maureen Dowd on Mrs. Sheehan's side and Matt Drudge on the family's. Casey's death has become a political balloon between the two sides. It's just sad. Let the proponents and opponents of any political issue make their position without dragging in the dead and their grieving families.

Jim Jones
08-11-2005, 10:31 PM
even the bush cronies themselves have admitted that their reason for going is bullshit but now that they are their the reason has changed. dont spew that bullshit saddam had zero to doo with 9/11 and had no WMDs. now if W had said we're going to free the iraqis you know what he would have been told to shove it. why free the Iraqis but leave the Black sudanese, Congolese etc to suffer.
You are right we should help the Christian Sudanese against the Arab Sudanese who may have killed John Garang, leader of the Christian Southerners. I'm not American so why don't you tell your senator about it? No one flinched when around 2 million Sudanese, mainly non-muslims died in the civil war. Everyone is to blame. Hopefully, Christians around the world won't be abandoned like them. Fortunately we saved East Timor.

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Hopefully, Christians around the world won't be abandoned like them. Fortunately we saved East Timor.
you saved East Timor? BS!! people shouldnt be going around saving people just because there Christian guess thats why the right hates Clinton coz he spent all that time trying to help the Muslims in the Balkans!! Bad boy he should have been joining in alongside the Christians and killing the unsaved Muslims.


Mrs. Sheehan and her now-divided family are now at the point of using the media to issue their opposing press statements, with Maureen Dowd on Mrs. Sheehan's side and Matt Drudge on the family's
i would rather have Maureen Dowd Pulitzer Prize winning writer of the influential NY times on my side rather than the right wing crazy Drudge who finished ..um 325 in a high school class of 350. (thats a fact look it up)Drudge though a somewhat famous blogger is not a true and true journalist. i dont give what the other family members said........... who the hell are they and what the hell do they know. Caseys mom, dad, and siblings agree and they are all the family members who count.

Jim Jones
08-12-2005, 01:08 PM
Oh there don't be upset that East Timor got its independance from Indonesia (and Singapore-non-Muslim from Malaysia). You are pissed by that? Good, that makes me happy. you can also add Nakorno-Karabah which the Armenians rightfully seized from Azeris and Bosnia where the Serbs thanks to Clinton, managed to keep their Serb held area, Republic serpska. In any case even you seem to be concerned by the Southern Sudanese, perhaps we are starting to agree with each other.

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 01:09 PM
lets look at the socalled support for the war:

54% of adults countrywide think we made a mistake in sending troops to IRAQ
57% think the war in Iraq made America less safe.
61% disapprove of Bush's handling of the war
58% think that they US will not be able to form a stable democratic govt in Iraq.

source (http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm)

The trouble seems to be Iraq (which Bush has linked himself to so intimately) has become thoroughly poisonous, politically There is simply no room for Bush to pull out of this, or turn water to wine. :lol: None. Politically, it's become a death sentence. in other words he's fucked!

Cindy Sheehan is a hero.This one brave woman who lost her son has given the neo cons fits. They are going full speed ahead with their slime as that is all they know, and they look like shit doing it!!
Cindy said:
This is George Bushís accountability moment. Thatís why Iím here. The mainstream media arenít holding him accountable. Neither is Congress. So Iím not leaving Crawford until heís held accountable. Itís ironic, given the attacks leveled at me recently, how some in the media are so quick to scrutinize -- and distort -- the words and actions of a grieving mother but not the words and actions of the president of the United States.

But now itís time for him to level with me and with the American people. I think thatís why thereís been such an outpouring of support. This is giving the 61 percent of Americans who feel that the war is wrong something to do -- something that allows their voices to be heard. Itís a way for them to stand up and show that they DO want our troops home, and that they know this war IS a mistakeÖ a mistake they want to see corrected. Itís too late to bring back the people who are already dead, but there are tens of thousands of people still in harmís way.

There is too much at stake to worry about our own egos. When my son was killed, I had to face the fact that I was somehow also responsible for what happened. Every American that allows this to continue has, to some extent, blood on their hands. Some of us have a little bit, and some of us are soaked in it.

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 01:30 PM
Cindy Sheehan was on TV today and said this letter was sent by her sister-in-law. She said her husband's family were all very much Bush supporters, and that since Casey's death they had not been in contact with that side of the family at all. Sheehan did not sound surprised at all by this letter from her husband's sister, nor did she seem bothered by it. how can someone choose to support a retard like Bush over their own family. fucking insanity!
What I truly don't understand is the level of shit aimed at a woman who has lost her son. Anyone who'd slime a grieving mom whose son died fighting the war is NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.
In fact, I'd think it would demoralize anyone over there to know that "important" people would cheerfully grind the troops' grieving parents into the dirt if they didn't go along with the war machine. It's fine to disagree with her position. But these people are not disagreeing; they want to steamroll her into submission.

It's the Schiavo case all over again. In any extended family there is going to be a wide divergence of political opinion. So, even if all of Casey and Cindy's close relations support her actions, it probably wouldn't be that hard to find a couple of relatives who don't. The rights' strategy: put them forward as the true spokespeople for the family and get them to fight your battles .
Thus the party of family values sees nothing wrong with manipulating family tragedy to tear apart families. :tape:


Read up on the Carlyle group and how Bush and his family own and run the largest Military Investment firm in our Nation. THey directly profit from this war!!! Sep 11th, 2001 they went public with company that mkes the bradly fighting vehical and neeted a 125 Million dollar single day profit.

Jim Jones
08-12-2005, 06:23 PM
Oh boy, you are really obssessed with Sheehan. Don't worry, I'll give you her autograph if I see her sleeping on the streets in texas. :lol:
By the way, Sherlock, Singapore is not a Christian country. I want seizable non-muslim regions to become independant. This includes Hindu Bali. Anyway, I think i'm done with this thread. But I'll still read your posts with joy. ;)

Mistaflava
08-12-2005, 06:27 PM
Oh boy, you are really obssessed with Sheehan. Don't worry, I'll give you her autograph if I see her sleeping on the streets in texas. :lol:
By the way, Sherlock, Singapore is not a Christian country. I want seizable non-muslim regions to become independant. This includes Hindu Bali. Anyway, I think i'm done with this thread. But I'll still read your posts with joy. ;)


:haha:

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 06:29 PM
who me? did i mention singapore?? Nope i didnt you mentioned singapore spewing all the shit you know bout international politics coz you dont know crap bout Cindy Sheehan!
to what level will you right wing cronies sink:
Cindy Sheehan returns entering stage right -- this time a left wing media whore in the form of a grieving mother.

. . . But, other mothers have gone through what Mrs. Sheehan has gone through and many are offended by her actions, thinking her deed cheapens the memory of Casey and other fallen soldiers. . . . One must stand back in amazement at how victimhood can turn a grieving mother into a statesman.

I have no use for Mrs. Sheehan. . . . Sheehan "now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation," . . . Mrs. Sheehan's actions discredit and undermine the work so many fallen soldiers works hard for. Those people just do not make the story flow like the left wants.

The remarkably humorous bit of all of this is that while Mrs. Sheehan is using the body of a dead solider to get her fifteen minutes of fame, Mrs. Sheehan is letting that body be used . . . But he did not die in vain. Iraq will be free. And in September we will all go back to forgetting who Cindy Sheehan is, not that we ever cared to begin with, and we will remain in Iraq
p.s. i'm not obsessed i'm pissed as hell at that dickhead who is supposedly my President.
'sleeping in the streets of Texas' is that supposed to offend me.?

Jim Jones
08-12-2005, 06:39 PM
Wow, you seem to love to see the world in black and white don't you? 'Right wing cronies'. Hey criticize me not all the people from the right when responding to my messages. I had a big laugh when you said in one of your messages, 'no this is not a liberal rant'.

Hey Nim, I mentioned Singapore, saying that I was happy to see it becoming independant and you say that I'm only interested in Christian regions. Learn more about various nations. Perhaps you sleep a little in your political science classes. Stay focused, you can learn a thing or two. ;)

As for Sheehan she is camping out on the streets near Bush's ranch thus sleeping there like a homeless person.

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 06:52 PM
Jim Jones=troll extraordinaire :worship:
of your last 25 posts 4 have been on anything remotedly related to tennis. all the rest trolling on political non-tennis threads.
is the rumor that you and dirk are one and the same well-founded?! isnt it odd that you come all the way to a mens TENNIS foruma nd you hardly talk bout tennis?

all your posts in this thread seem to have zero to do directly with Sheehan and more with hey she's extremist, they are all extremists, hey Muslims are crap, hey lets spread god's work like good Christian boys and girls, hey youre an idiot, oh look i caught you out in your argument here, look at what i know bout singapore/East timor/(insert random country with nothing to do with Sheehan), blah, blah, blah.

p.s. i thought you were done or do you intend to drag your dirty fight into the private world of PM where you can be as vile as you want AGAIN!!

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 07:01 PM
O read your last post. Dude I do what i want, ok? And I'm sure I know more about tennis than you do. I even play the sport.
I pm you when I ewant to, I post in your thread when I want to, comprende?
No I'm not Dirk, I'm Jorge ;)

did i call it or what? :lol:

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 07:32 PM
dude quit PMing me :rolleyes:if you've got something to say, theres the thread!
i believe this is an accurate reprsentation. if your gonna quote me do it right!! :wavey:

Nimomunz
08-12-2005, 09:28 PM
you think far too highly of yourself. :rollseyes: