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Records for Federer to beat this year this year!

makro120
07-20-2005, 04:25 AM
Hello Federer fans. I am back here, but writing from a friend in Rio de Janeiro. SO I wont be here too often the next couple of days. You know I am a record-freak, so I was thinking to myself what kind of records Federer could still break this year and figured out the most mindblowing would be +100 victories in 1 year, now I dont think he will have 100 victories but I think he can, even if it is almost impossible, specialy winning Madrid-basel-Paris back to back. He could also only win 1 round in Paris/Basel/MAdrid and win the rest of the tournaments this year.

Federer has won 49 out of his last 50 hard court games, so wouldnt winning something like 42 out of his next 43 atleast be possible? Ofcourse he cant rest any tournament/get injured and he will have to win many titles back to back, like I said close to impossible.

Other records Federer could beat this year:

win+3 master series
win all 4 north american master series in 1 year.
beat Mcenroes 96% matches won year 1984
equal Connors winning 26 titles in 2 years (would need to win all tournaments to do so)
End with more ranking points than he did last year (only =300 left)

Well, I am sure there are many more records to still beat this year, if you are a record troll like me write them down and also remember this season might turn out to be even more stunning than last year. All we can do is hope for the best and I am sure Federer will deliver it for us. :cool:

Dirk
07-20-2005, 04:30 AM
Makro. :hug:

Dirk
07-20-2005, 04:31 AM
RonE came up with a good one Makro. Defend both Wimbledon and USO titles something Pete didn't even do. It's rarely been done.

Purple Rainbow
07-20-2005, 11:58 AM
Welcome back, Makro! I knew you couldn't live without us! :p
I'll post some interesting records to break if I can come up with them!
The largest year-end entry ranking total is very well possible this year. Also, Roger could try to break a record for most consecutive matches won. He's now on a 12 game winning streak and a great American Hardcourt season could see him eclips 30, which he has never done before.
Winning only the US Open would be good enough for me, though! :)

Blaze
07-20-2005, 01:39 PM
Welcome back, Makro! I knew you couldn't live without us! :p
I'll post some interesting records to break if I can come up with them!
The largest year-end entry ranking total is very well possible this year. Also, Roger could try to break a record for most consecutive matches won. He's now on a 1 game winning streak and a great American Hardcourt season could see him eclips 30, which he has never done before.
Winning only the US Open would be good enough for me, though! :)


Don't you mean 12 game winning streak (Halle (5) + Wimbly(7) ) instead of 1 :)

Purple Rainbow
07-20-2005, 02:09 PM
Don't you mean 12 game winning streak (Halle (5) + Wimbly(7) ) instead of 1 :)

Of course I did. :)

RonE
07-20-2005, 04:21 PM
RonE came up with a good one Makro. Defend both Wimbledon and USO titles something Pete didn't even do. It's rarely been done.

Did I really come up with it? Heh. I will have to thank my alter-ego for that next time I meet him.

Great to have you back Makro! Please stay (at least in the Federer Forum if not in GM).

SUKTUEN
07-20-2005, 05:51 PM
hi

Dirk
07-20-2005, 06:10 PM
Did I really come up with it? Heh. I will have to thank my alter-ego for that next time I meet him.

Great to have you back Makro! Please stay (at least in the Federer Forum if not in GM).

Yes you did. ;)

Yoda
07-20-2005, 10:36 PM
He can beat 21 straight final wins held by Federer :p

Yoda
07-20-2005, 10:38 PM
Also win his first 6 GS finals

PaulieM
07-20-2005, 11:48 PM
welcome back makro :hug:

makro120
07-21-2005, 02:44 AM
Thank you all, what a great positive response from all of you!

No, I cant live without you, but I will have to for some more weeks as I am in holidays in south america and I dont have a computer with me.

Anyway, I would love Federer to win a 50 consecutive wins or something this season, it is annoying because if it wasnt for that missed match point against Safin Federer would have won +50 straight matches.

Another record would be winning 3 straight times TMS cup without losig a match. Also the prizemoney record Sampras had was 6.5 milion US$, something I really think Federer could break and not to forget I really want Federer to continue his 21 straight finals record as mentioned, it already has legendary status and will probably be unbeaten the next 100 years or so....

Another record could also be winning his 6 1st grandslam finals and therefor beating himself doing so. A more odd record would be winning 4 titles in europe, north america and asia, I am not sure this has been done before.

Last but not least Federer isnt negative against anyone in the tour this year, he is equal only to those he lost SAfin, Nadal and Gasquet, against all of them he is 1-1 this year!

Dirk
07-21-2005, 05:21 AM
Roger could actually win maybe 5 or 6 master titles. That would surely be a record nobody could match.

SUKTUEN
07-21-2005, 08:20 AM
Hi All~~I am happy today

Shabazza
07-21-2005, 11:45 AM
Another record could also be winning his 6 1st grandslam finals and therefor beating himself doing so. A more odd record would be winning 4 titles in europe, north america and asia, I am not sure this has been done before.

Last but not least Federer isnt negative against anyone in the tour this year, he is equal only to those he lost SAfin, Nadal and Gasquet, against all of them he is 1-1 this year!
I think I read somewhere, that the record for wining first GS-finals is 8 :unsure: - not in the open era though.
and welcome back Makro :)

jtipson
08-18-2005, 10:52 AM
Just a note about winning percentages: McEnroe's 82-3 record from 1984 is often touted as the best single year, but does anyone know what the best rolling 12 month record is?

As of last night, after his win against Kiefer in Cincy 2nd round and the loss to Berdych dropping off, Roger has currently has a 76-3 record in the last twelve months. Must be close to one of the best ever 12 months.

TheMightyFed
08-18-2005, 01:04 PM
Just a note about winning percentages: McEnroe's 82-3 record from 1984 is often touted as the best single year, but does anyone know what the best rolling 12 month record is?

As of last night, after his win against Kiefer in Cincy 2nd round and the loss to Berdych dropping off, Roger has currently has a 76-3 record in the last twelve months. Must be close to one of the best ever 12 months.
We don't have the stat, jitipson, but I'm sure you'll find out... maybe some Lendl 12 month or Vilas, when he did his 50 victories streak...

SUKTUEN
08-18-2005, 02:45 PM
be the No.1 at 4th long in History

makro120
08-23-2005, 02:17 AM
Hello there! Now I am back to Sweden and what a great way coming home! I came home turned the tv on and Federer was 2-2 against Roddick and did break his game only 30 seconds after I had turned the TV on (I didnt want to know yesterday the result as I knew it would replay on TV today)!

Some people here are saying Federer didnt play great, but I thought he did some awesome stuff today, the break he had against Roddick in the 2nd serve directly after beeing broken was mindblowing! 4 straight points he simply wouldnt give to Roddick no matter how good serves he would have to return, the forehand return down the line beeing the highlight of the match. Moments like this you really think Federer is a tennis god, something above humanity while he is in the tennis court.

Anyway, I want to update this thread as some records are becoming rather impossible for Federer to break at the moment. Unfortunately he couldnt play in Toronto and 100 wins will not really be possible. But anyway he has already broken the record of master series won in a year as you all know and I think he can extend it to 6 or atleast 5 this year.

His 22 straight finals record is one of the greatest records in tennis history and I think it will only be really tested in the clay master series next year, but already is it possibly the most difficult record to beat in tennis.

TenHound
08-23-2005, 02:47 AM
I don't know if this is an important one, but I don't think that anyone in the Modern/Open Era has ever won even a single Major title in the year, after winning 3 the previous yr.

Also, he seems about to set a record for dominance in consecutive years. I just found this in Jon Wertheim's column. (I assume it's ok to cut & paste w/attribution.)

?Federer's winning percentage is over 93 percent,*including Davis Cup matches*since the start of 2004. How does that compare to the greatest two-year runs by any other tennis player? Please have someone get on this; I can't take hearing about Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps anymore!
* -- Jon Rapkin, Wellington, Fla.*

Greg Sharko, tennis' Stephen Hawking, informs us: The last player to post .900 or better in back-to-back years was Ivan Lendl in '86 (74-6, .925) and '87 (74-7, .914). If Federer keeps up this pace, he may have the highest winning percentage in back-to-back years. I'm with you on Tiger and Lance, but who's Phelps? Jaycee? Ken? Digger? Surely not Michael.

His record last yr. was 64-3. Amusingly, his record this yr. is the same. (From atp site.) That's a winning % of 95.4%. ( I don't know if last yrs. figures include the Olympics - if so, they shouldn't, since that's not an ATP event. It doesn't - he lost in Paris, Cincy & Miami last yr.) Incidentally, this is the basis for comparing him to Borg rather than Sampras. All Pete really cared about was winning the Big W. He wasn't the dominant player that Borg was throughout the year. And never had winning percentages like Roger's. Of course, since Thuggy emerged, people have started downgrading Roger. Saying things like he's only doing so well 'cuz the tour is so weak now. He's a great grass court player...heard that a lot around Wimby.

TenHound
08-23-2005, 03:03 AM
Per Tipson's request:

Since Athens Roger is 81-3. Lost @M-C, Paris & AO. Won 17 more last yr. & 64 this yr.
Last yr: 7 NYC, 5 Bangkok, 5 - Year End Masters' Cup
This yr:

Doha: 5
AO: 5
Rotterdam 5
Dubai 5
IW 6
Miami 6
M-C- 3
Hamburg 6
Paris 5
Halle 5
Wimby 7
Cincy 6

SUKTUEN
08-23-2005, 03:51 PM
thanks TenHound

SUKTUEN
08-23-2005, 03:51 PM
thanks TenHound :worship:

TenHound
08-23-2005, 06:05 PM
New Record Rogger bagged - 4 Masters in 1 Yr.

Anybody know if winning the Year Ends would count in that category?? Probably shouldn't...

SUKTUEN
08-23-2005, 06:16 PM
:devil: Roger will win 5 master and TMC~ this year~!! :devil:

Daniel
08-23-2005, 11:42 PM
Welcome Back /Makro :wavey:

Sjengster
08-24-2005, 12:28 AM
It's actually 80-3 in the past year, courtesy of a walkover from Andrei Pavel in the 4th round of the US Open.

Regarding winning percentages, I don't have statistics for a period of 12 months, but in the course of a calendar year they're all here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=2194840#post2194840

100+ victories in a year is impossible for Federer to achieve now anyway, but I don't think Lendl would have been too impressed at that feat considering he's already done it twice. And I think Federer basically has to go unbeaten for the rest of the year to stand a chance of bettering the McEnroe winning percentage from 1984.

TennisGrandSlam
08-24-2005, 01:24 AM
Did I really come up with it? Heh. I will have to thank my alter-ego for that next time I meet him.

Great to have you back Makro! Please stay (at least in the Federer Forum if not in GM).


1960's: ROD LAVER ~ Real Grand Slam in 1962 and 1969 (Open Era)

1970's: BJORN BORG ~ 6 Roland Garros Titles + 5 straight champions in Wimbledon

1980's: IVAN LENDL ~ 8 Grand Slam titles w/ 19 Grand Slam Finals

1990's: PETE SAMPRAS ~ 14 Grand Slam titles w/ 7 champions in Wimbledon

2000's: Roger's Dynasty

TenHound
08-24-2005, 03:33 AM
Pete was never the Dominant Player that Laver, Borg & Lendl were - he focused on winning Wimby above all. Checking Sjengster's list confirms this. He won 14 Majors, yes, but that's longevity rather than Dominance.

Roger, for his part, has Said that he has a 3 year window at the top. This is the 2nd year. So enjoy while we can...(That's why I'm so distressed about his foot problemo emerging now!!)

Skyward
08-24-2005, 04:46 AM
I wouldn't be too sad if Rodger decided to concentrate on Slams.

SUKTUEN
08-24-2005, 06:10 PM
Daniel~!

Purple Rainbow
08-26-2005, 12:27 PM
Here's an interesting record, thanks to the great NYCtennisfan!
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=50553
Roger has won 95 of his last 100 matches. That is the 4th best such a streak in tennis history. The top 5 are..

PLAYER........................TIME PERIOD......................RECORD

Bjorn Borg...............May 1979-Aug. 1980...................97-3
J. McEnroe..............Jan. 1984-Apr. 1985...................96-4
Ivan Lendl...............Sep.1981-Aug. 1982..................96-4
Roger Federer..........Jun. 2004-Current.......................95-5
Guillermo Vilas..........Jul. 1977-May 1978...................94-6

If Roger manages to win 16 of his next 17 games, he'll improve to 96-4 and trail only Borg. Winning 17 matches in a row will take Rogi to 97-3 and thus equalling Borg for the best record ever. Who's to say that it is not possible? One can dream!

By the way, breaking the record and improving to 98-2 requires a 37 game winning streak, so let's not even go there!

jtipson
08-26-2005, 12:31 PM
By the way, breaking the record and improving to 98-2 requires a 37 game winning streak, so let's not even go there!

I think it requires a 60 match winning streak right now!

Purple Rainbow
08-26-2005, 12:38 PM
I think it requires a 60 match winning streak right now!

Impossible, it is easy to figure out how long his winning streak was after the Cincy loss. USO (7), Bangkok (5), Masters (5), Qatar (5), Aussie Open (5).
That's 27 wins, add that to the 17 required to reach 97-3 and that adds up to 44. (okay I didn't do the maths the first time, figured no one would be arsed to check!) ;)

TennisGrandSlam
08-26-2005, 01:15 PM
22 Straight Final Win is the wonderful record (the record will be broken later!)

The previous record holder is John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg (Straight Final Win)

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/428e6d50zfbea19b/948b/__sr_/5a9e.jpg?ph0gxDDBL6D7_WoE

jtipson
08-26-2005, 02:28 PM
Impossible, it is easy to figure out how long his winning streak was after the Cincy loss. USO (7), Bangkok (5), Masters (5), Qatar (5), Aussie Open (5).
That's 27 wins, add that to the 17 required to reach 97-3 and that adds up to 44. (okay I didn't do the maths the first time, figured no one would be arsed to check!) ;)

But don't forget he's already on an 18-0 streak, so another 44 is :eek: 62

(not sure how I got the 60...)

Sjengster
08-26-2005, 04:38 PM
As I said on the previous page, he had 6 wins at the USO, not 7, hence a 26-match winning streak.

SUKTUEN
08-26-2005, 07:57 PM
Purple Rainbow Come on~!

R.Federer
09-11-2005, 05:54 PM
What's on the line this evening?

1. Roge 22 finals streak (make it 23 Rog!) :worship:

2. 43 consecutive matches on hard court :eek: (44-1 since losing in Melbourne)

3. 5-0 winning record in Grand Slam Finals! :eek: :eek:

4. Unbeaten in US since 2004 (Hrbaty in Cincy) :eek: :eek: :eek:

makro120
09-12-2005, 12:42 AM
1.Federer has now 35 straight matches won on hardcourt which is an open era record! The precious record was 34 by Sampras...

2.Federer has won his 6 1st grand slam finals

3.FEderer has won 25 straight games and is the 4th time in little more than 1 year that he wins +20 straight matches.

4.Federer has won 4 straight titles for the 4th time, lets see if he once and for all can win the 5th.

5.Federer is 71-3 and could break Mcenroe's 82-3 record year.

6.Federer could have the greatest amount of point of all time if he could win in MADRID or paris!

7.Federer has been to 6 straight semifinals, dont know when this was done the last time.

8.Federer is the 1st player in open era to win Wimbledon and Usopen back to back!

9.Federer has won 23 straight finals!

10.Federer is the 1st player to win 8 straight matches against Agassi and the 1st player to win 9 straight matches against Hewitt.

11. A note: In the last 8 grand slams Federer has played he has never lost more than 3 sets in every grand slam (including those he lost). The most useless record, but still worth mentioning.

R.Federer
09-12-2005, 12:51 AM
I think Pete (whom I like very much) might start get nervous if this continues for another year. It could have been 7 if the shot-between-legs did not take placed in Melbourne. That would be half of Pete haul by 24. Very scary

Fergie
09-12-2005, 01:15 AM
Too many records! ... Congrats Rogi :D

TenHound
09-12-2005, 02:22 AM
@end of Sept. Roger's playing DC. does that count in these records? (Doubles certainly shouldn't)

Stevens Point
09-12-2005, 02:27 AM
@end of Sept. Roger's playing DC. does that count in these records? (Doubles certainly shouldn't)
I think DC records count, because DC records are also included in H2H numbers...

TenHound
09-12-2005, 02:42 AM
Sorry to be so ignorant, but...could someone pls. direct me. I followed Purple Rainbow's link. Sjengster over there said he had a statistics thread/forum w/more info. Anyone know how to find that?? :(

Sjengster
09-12-2005, 06:22 PM
Just scroll down the index page, below Other Tournaments there's a section called News, and the Statistics forum is the second one there.

TenHound
09-12-2005, 07:36 PM
Merci.

Daniel
09-21-2005, 03:15 AM
Merci boucop

TennisGrandSlam
09-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Win - Loss %

1. John McEnroe (1984) 82-3 [96.47%]
Titles won : 13
Philadelphia, Richmond WCT, Madrid, Brussels, Dallas WCT, Forest Hills WCT, Queens, Wimbledon, Toronto, US Open, San Francisco, Stockholm, Masters

2. Roger Federer (2004) 74-6 [92.50%]
Titles won : 11
Australian Open, Dubai, TMS Indian Wells, TMS Hamburg, Halle, Wimbledon, Gstaad, TMS Toronto, US Open, Bangkok, Tennis Masters Cup

2. Ivan Lendl (1986) 74-6 [92.50%]
Titles won : 9
Philadelphia, Boca West, Milan, Fort Myers, Rome, Roland Garros, Stratton Mountain, US Open, Masters

2. Bjorn Borg (1979) 74-6 [92.50%]
Titles won : 11
Richmond WCT, Rotterdam, Monte Carlo, Las Vegas, Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Bastad, Toronto, Palermo, Tokyo Indoor, Masters

RonE
09-23-2005, 02:13 PM
I just thought of another record- off the top of my head I can't remember any player ever winning all the required events held in the U.S in a single calendar year- by those I mean the three TMS events (Indian Wells, Miami and Cincinnati) as well as the U.S. Open. Certainly not before the ATP started up in 1990. So this makes Roger the first ever player (at least since the inception of the ATP) to win all the required American events in a single year and go through the whole year without losing a single match on U.S soil!!!!! And this will be a definite as he will not be playing in any more events in the States until 2006.

SUKTUEN
09-23-2005, 04:18 PM
THANKS for the infor

makro120
09-25-2005, 01:41 AM
Federer has won 26 straight matches, lets see if he can get to 31 after thailand open. When is the last time someone won +30 straight matches in the open era?

LCeh
09-25-2005, 02:08 AM
Federer has won 26 straight matches, lets see if he can get to 31 after thailand open. When is the last time someone won +30 straight matches in the open era?

Probably Muster during his famous run in 95, winning 35 clay matches in a row. (he didn't play on any other surfaces in between, so those wins were also consecutive matches)

TennisGrandSlam
09-25-2005, 04:16 AM
Probably Muster during his famous run in 95, winning 35 clay matches in a row. (he didn't play on any other surfaces in between, so those wins were also consecutive matches)


Federer's 36 winning steak in Grass

Halle 2003 (5 Matches) ->
Wimbledon 2003 (7 Matches) ->
Halle 2004 (5 Matches) ->
Wimbledon 2004 (7 Matches) ->
Halle 2005 (5 Matches) ->
Wimbledon 2005 (7 Matches)

soonha
09-25-2005, 04:55 AM
Federer has won 26 straight matches, lets see if he can get to 31 after thailand open. When is the last time someone won +30 straight matches in the open era?

There were 5 players who won 30+ consecutive matches in the open era.

OPEN ERA WINNING STREAKS

1. Bjorn Borg 49 (1978)
2. Guillermo Vilas 46 (1977)
3. Ivan Lendl 44 (1981-82)
4. John McEnroe 42 (1984)
5. Bjorn Borg 40 (1979-80)
6. Thomas Muster 35 (1995)


WINNING STREAKS SINCE 1990

1. Thomas Muster 35 (1995)
2. Pete Sampras 29 (1994)
3. Andre Agassi 26 (1995)
Roger Federer 26 (2004-5)
Roger Federer 26+ (2005)
4. Jim Courier 25 (1992)
Roger Federer 25 (2005)
5. Pete Sampras 24 (1999)
6. Roger Federer 23 (2004)

Purple Rainbow
09-26-2005, 11:48 AM
Federer's chances of making a 30-game winning streak were never better!
Good luck this week, Roger!

SUKTUEN
09-26-2005, 03:19 PM
Roger is really a King~!

mishar
09-27-2005, 03:46 AM
If Roger were to win Bangkok, Madrid Basel and the masters.. (and let's say withdraws from Paris) you'd have to say that was the best total season in the Open Era.. 92-3... 14 titles.. 2 slams..

Nocko
09-27-2005, 03:52 AM
If Roger were to win Bangkok, Madrid Basel and the masters.. (and let's say withdraws from Paris) you'd have to say that was the best total season in the Open Era.. 92-3... 14 titles.. 2 slams..
:eek: :eek: Too good. :eek: :eek: So How can he difend everything next year :p

SUKTUEN
09-27-2005, 06:59 AM
If Roger were to win Bangkok, Madrid Basel and the masters.. (and let's say withdraws from Paris) you'd have to say that was the best total season in the Open Era.. 92-3... 14 titles.. 2 slams..


This is too good~~!! :eek:

Dirk
09-30-2005, 01:49 PM
If Roger wins this event then he gets a nice week off to relax and get ready for winning a 5th Master title.

TennisGrandSlam
09-30-2005, 02:24 PM
After 3RD Round of Thailand Open



75-3



29 winning streak in all surface

Halle : 5
Wimbledon : 7
Cincinnati TMS : 6
US Open : 6
Davis Cup : 1 (vs Great Britain in Clay)
Bangkok : 3 (in progress)



38 winning streak in Hardcourt

Dubai : 5
Rotterdam : 5
Indian Wells TMS : 6
Miami TMS : 6
Cincinnati TMS : 6
US Open : 7
Bangkok : 3 (in progress)

R.Federer
09-30-2005, 03:19 PM
VOTE FOR ROGER's STREAK (bottom right of the page):

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/index

PaulieM
09-30-2005, 03:22 PM
VOTE FOR ROGER's STREAK (bottom right of the page):

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/index
done :)

nobama
09-30-2005, 11:57 PM
So for the year Roger is 75-3 or .961 and Nadal is 74-10 or .880 Just shows how impressive that stat is. :worship: If Roger wins Thailand he will have won 11 out of 14 tournaments or 0.785. Nadal has won 10 out of 20 tournaments or 0.500.

SUKTUEN
10-01-2005, 06:24 AM
Thanks for the update

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2005, 09:28 AM
After 3RD Round of Thailand Open



76-3



30 winning streak in all surface

Halle : 5
Wimbledon : 7
Cincinnati TMS : 6
US Open : 7
Davis Cup : 1 (vs Great Britain in Clay)
Bangkok : 4 (in progress)



39 winning streak in Hardcourt

Dubai : 5
Rotterdam : 5
Indian Wells TMS : 6
Miami TMS : 6
Cincinnati TMS : 6
US Open : 7
Bangkok : 4 (in progress)

nobama
10-01-2005, 01:00 PM
I posted this in GM...

Roger came awfully close to ending 2003 as #1 as well. Look how close Andy and Roger were in 2003. Just think if Roger had beaten Andy in the semis in Canada and went on to win that TMS....

Roddick
6 Wins
2 Finals
12 Semis
1 Grand Slam
2 Masters Series
72-19 W/L (.791)
907 ATP Race Points
4535 YE ATP Ranking Points

Federer
7 Wins
2 Finals
11 Semis
1 Grand Slam
1 Masters Cup
78-17 W/L (.821)
875 ATP Race Points
4375 YE ATP Ranking Points

Sjengster
10-01-2005, 01:11 PM
And here's what I posted in response, if anyone's interested. ;)

Or if he had managed not to play a stinker against Mantilla in the Rome final, he would have closed the gap to 10 ranking points, and just 2 in the Race. It would have been interesting for sure if he had beaten Roddick in the semis in Montreal, because he would then have lost his first ever final as world no. 1 (something he hasn't done yet).

In retrospect it's a good thing he didn't make it, he wasn't even the second best player of 2003, let alone the best.

makro120
10-01-2005, 01:49 PM
Now Roger Federer needs to win Bangkok and Madrid to:

Beat Muster's streak of 35 matches (would only need to get to the finals).

Win his 5th master series title.

Win his 12th title (when was this done the last time?)

Get to 25 in straight finals

Get to 83-3 this year, which would be better than Mcenroe's 82-3!

HOPEFULY, destroy Nadal in the final infront of the home crowd!

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2005, 01:51 PM
Now Roger Federer needs to win Bangkok and Madrid to:

Beat Muster's streak of 35 matches (would only need to get to the finals).

Win his 5th master series title.

Win his 12th title (when was this done the last time?)

Get to 25 in straight finals

Get to 83-3 this year, which would be better than Mcenroe's 82-3!

HOPEFULY, destroy Nadal in the final infront of the home crowd!



Thomas Muster won 12 titles in 1995!

nobama
10-01-2005, 01:51 PM
And here's what I posted in response, if anyone's interested. ;)Ok, who in your opinion was the real #1 and #2 in 2003 then?

nobama
10-01-2005, 01:53 PM
Thomas Muster won 12 titles in 1995!What did he do in '94 and '96? I know other players have had 10+ wins in consecutive years, but that's going back a bit isn't it? Has anyone achieved that since 1990?

PaulieM
10-01-2005, 01:59 PM
chance to make it 24 in finals tomorrow, double the previous record! yay go roger:yippee:

makro120
10-01-2005, 02:02 PM
In my biased opinion Federer was nr1 of 2003. If it wouldnt be for houston I wouldnt think he would deserve nr1, but he finnished the year vaporising all the best players in the world, all players he had problems with earlier that year. Also federer had success in all 3 surfaces and won wimbledon, the most prestigous grand slam of them all. Ferrero and Roddick where great and it was really close between all them 3, but while Roddick got praticaly all his points from the american hardcourt season and Ferrero got most his points from the clay season (and one indoor tms title in Madrid, his home tournament), Federer was already then more complete than both of them and got points from everywhere. I would also say he was unlucky to get his nemessis Nalbandain early in both big hardcourt grand slams.

But that is only my biased opinion.

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2005, 02:11 PM
What did he do in '94 and '96? I know other players have had 10+ wins in consecutive years, but that's going back a bit isn't it? Has anyone achieved that since 1990?

Pete Sampras, the most-dominant tennis players in 1990s, has only once that had 10+ titles in single year (1994: Antwerp, Australian Open, Indian Wells, Key Biscayne, Osaka, Rome, ATP Singles Championship, Sydney Outdoor, Tokyo Outdoor, Wimbledon)

Sjengster
10-01-2005, 02:32 PM
Ok, who in your opinion was the real #1 and #2 in 2003 then?

I expanded on this a lot in the thread in GM, but basically: Ferrero and Roddick, in that order. Going into the TMC Federer was a distant third, but winning it changed all that.

Sjengster
10-01-2005, 02:38 PM
In my biased opinion Federer was nr1 of 2003. If it wouldnt be for houston I wouldnt think he would deserve nr1, but he finnished the year vaporising all the best players in the world, all players he had problems with earlier that year. Also federer had success in all 3 surfaces and won wimbledon, the most prestigous grand slam of them all. Ferrero and Roddick where great and it was really close between all them 3, but while Roddick got praticaly all his points from the american hardcourt season and Ferrero got most his points from the clay season (and one indoor tms title in Madrid, his home tournament), Federer was already then more complete than both of them and got points from everywhere. I would also say he was unlucky to get his nemessis Nalbandain early in both big hardcourt grand slams.

But that is only my biased opinion.

That does rather ignore the points earned by Roddick from reaching the semis of the AO and Wimbledon, and making the semis of a European indoor event. Not to mention the little matter of a US Open final for Ferrero and a 4th round at Wimbledon on his weakest surface, compared to Federer's first round at RG. I agree about having him terrible luck with Nalbandian (I literally couldn't believe it when I first saw the US Open draw and realised he was going to lose to him yet again), but you can't blame his failings in 2003 entirely on the Great Dave.

makro120
10-01-2005, 03:07 PM
That does rather ignore the points earned by Roddick from reaching the semis of the AO and Wimbledon, and making the semis of a European indoor event. Not to mention the little matter of a US Open final for Ferrero and a 4th round at Wimbledon on his weakest surface, compared to Federer's first round at RG. I agree about having him terrible luck with Nalbandian (I literally couldn't believe it when I first saw the US Open draw and realised he was going to lose to him yet again), but you can't blame his failings in 2003 entirely on the Great Dave.

Yes, but Federer won afterall 2 of the 5 biggest tournaments of the year and ended the year crushing opposition. He also had advantage in the head to head both against Ferrero and Roddick 2-1 (he lost in close matches against them and valporised them in the matches he won). I dont blame his failings entirely on big dave, I dont think his failings however where enought for him to not be considered the best player in the world. Federer also had success in the indoor season winning vienna, Marseille and getting to semifinals and QFs in MAdrid, Paris (more success than Andy). He had success on clay winning 1 tournaments and getting to final in 2 other including Rome (more success than Andy), on grass I dont even have to mentione he was much more succesful than Ferrero and Andy, on hardcourt however he was still more succesful than Ferrero in my opinion winning Houston and defeating Roddick in USA. Overall he was just more complete than both of them, with success in all surfaces.

SUKTUEN
10-01-2005, 03:10 PM
may be 26 final champion win

nobama
10-01-2005, 03:33 PM
Andy's short lived reign at #1 was all due to the North American summer hard court tear he went on - winning Indy, Canada, Cincy and USO. Everyone will have their opinions on who was really the "best" player in a given year (not much of a contest in some years), but as I posted in GM the numbers are what they are and Roger came damn close to ending 2003 at #1.

SUKTUEN
10-01-2005, 04:56 PM
I dislike this " andy"

makro120
10-01-2005, 05:18 PM
When there is only 10 points between the nr1 and nr2 you cant say it is a fact that Andy was the best tennis player year 2003. For example, maybe some people feel Wimbledon deserves 25 more points compared to the less prestigous US open, how many points a player is given is only decided by atp and is nota fact for what player is better. Maybe someone like me thinks it is extremly important to see how their head to head is where Federer lead that year, or maybe it is important to see that a player has performed good in all surfaces. Indoor, hard court, clay and grass. Federer did better in 3 of them than Andy, Andy Roddick was only better on hardcourt than Federer. Also I think the master cup is very underrated given the fact that players have to face all the great players to win the tournament. Look at the players Roddick had to beat to win cincinatti that year, even USopen. The tennis master cup is probably more difficult to win than most tournaments and every year in this decade except that year 2003 did the winner of master cup end up as the world nr1. 2003, the winner ended up 10 points behind the world nr1. With that meaningless differense you have the right to have your own opinion about who is the real world nr1.

nobama
10-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Yeah but Sjengster's saying JCF was the "real" #1 that year, not Andy or Roger. Again the numbers are what they are and only the best 5 optionals are counted anyway so it's not like Roger's ranking points was totally inflated by non-quality tournaments. And as you said Roger walked away with TMC where he had to beat the best to win (including giving Andre a bagel).

TenHound
10-02-2005, 02:36 AM
Symptom of people w/too much time. It was an inter-regnum yr. I'll stick w/what Roger said about the yr. - it wasn't until he won Houston that he was mentally ready to take over the mantle of #1. He said had he won Canada, he would have finished up as #1, but he choked because he wasn't quite ready.

As far as AR, don't forget he only won NY 'cuz the rain "won" the tournament & organizers made sure that he & he alone had the most rest for his matches. Other players were furious.

TenHound
10-02-2005, 03:00 AM
Would Purple Rainbow, or someone else pls. update Roger's 100 match record after Bangkok, assuming he beats Murray? Thanks.

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 10:32 AM
I don't have that much time on my hands, I assure you.

makro120
10-02-2005, 11:28 AM
If Federer now wins Madrid, Basel, Shangai he will have 47 straight matches! He would only need to win in Doha next year to get that record I thought was impossible to beat in modern tennis (actualy I never thought anything was impossible for Federer, but I think most people have the idea that no once can win 50 straight matches in modern tennis). I think he has a 50/50 chanse beating the record now. Madrid will be most difficult, in Basel I think his motivation will be lifted by the home crowd and in Shangai he will obviously be very motivated to win the tournament for the 3rd straight time.

TennisGrandSlam
10-02-2005, 11:36 AM
Re-post!!!



Three-peats (2003-2005)



Dubai
http://www.tennis.com.cn/bbs/uploadFiles/2005-09/18_1559672_1.jpg


Halle
http://www.tennis.com.cn/bbs/uploadFiles/2005-06/14_979131_2.jpg


Wimbledon
http://www.tennis.com.cn/bbs/uploadFiles/2005-07/5_1098678_4.jpg

nobama
10-02-2005, 12:31 PM
Symptom of people w/too much time. It was an inter-regnum yr. I'll stick w/what Roger said about the yr. - it wasn't until he won Houston that he was mentally ready to take over the mantle of #1. He said had he won Canada, he would have finished up as #1, but he choked because he wasn't quite ready.

As far as AR, don't forget he only won NY 'cuz the rain "won" the tournament & organizers made sure that he & he alone had the most rest for his matches. Other players were furious.I didn't see most of USO 2003 but I've read about what happened and the breaks that Andy (or Amereican players in general) got.

nobama
10-02-2005, 12:50 PM
People always talk about Roger v. Pete and who was better or the "greatest", ect. One thing is for sure, Pete never put up the kind of numbers Roger has the past two years. It's amazing. Roger is often called the Tiger Woods of tennis, but even Tiger didn't have back to back years where he won 10+ tournaments. I don't think he ever won 5 tournaments in a row like Roger has (Halle, Wimbledon, Cincy, USO, Thailand).

SUKTUEN
10-02-2005, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the wonderful Update~!

TenHound
10-02-2005, 08:11 PM
Ridiculous for Roger to play 3 more tournies before Year Ends. First Priority is being rested for AO. He had no off-season last year. Enough of that. He has to care for his body first. I'm sure he won't play both Paris & Madrid, but I wish he'd skip both & just play his home tournament before heading back 1/2way around the world.

Roger, Please Rest Your Feet...they're not Nike's... you only get one pair Forever :)

If he's rested going to Year End's, I'm fairly certain he would set another record if he was undefeated there for 3rd consecutive year.

nobama
10-02-2005, 09:00 PM
Ridiculous for Roger to play 3 more tournies before Year Ends. First Priority is being rested for AO. He had no off-season last year. Enough of that. He has to care for his body first. I'm sure he won't play both Paris & Madrid, but I wish he'd skip both & just play his home tournament before heading back 1/2way around the world.

Roger, Please Rest Your Feet...they're not Nike's... you only get one pair Forever :)

If he's rested going to Year End's, I'm fairly certain he would set another record if he was undefeated there for 3rd consecutive year.Here's what Roger said after US Open:

Federer said he liked all the top players to compete in the two Masters Series events leading up to the Tennis Masters Cup in Shanghai in November.

He hoped Hewitt would be able to play around his family commitments after wife Bec Cartwright gave birth to their first child next month.

"I really thought he wants to play," Federer said.

"It's obvious that tennis is a professional hobby in a way. We'll see him stronger than ever next year.

"It would be a pity if he doesn't play. I hope all the guys play the end of the year, unlike last year where in Madrid everyone pulled out.

"Come on, guys, we should be playing. That's why I took my rest after Wimbledon (for five weeks). I'm still very fresh and I have reserves left in my tank."

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 09:08 PM
I do hope he was mindful of the fact that he was leading the withdrawals from Madrid last year - practice what you preach, after all, which is what he seems to be doing this time round.

Personally I'd prefer it if he skipped Madrid, then played and won Basel, Paris and TMC - just because I particularly like both those two carpet events and he's never won them before, plus of course the motivation to win in his home town must be huge and I hope it doesn't become an albatross round his neck like, say, Vina del Mar was with Rios. I also hope that the patrons in Paris-Bercy get a slightly better impression of Federer than they did the last time he played there, when he was booed off court.

MissMoJo
10-02-2005, 11:51 PM
I also hope that the patrons in Paris-Bercy get a slightly better impression of Federer than they did the last time he played there, when he was booed off court.
Why?

Purple Rainbow
10-03-2005, 12:18 AM
Would Purple Rainbow, or someone else pls. update Roger's 100 match record after Bangkok, assuming he beats Murray? Thanks.

Yeah, that is an interesting record! This year, Federer is 77-3.
Last year, Federer ended the seson winning the TMC (5 matches), Bangkok (5) and the US Open (6 matches, Roger had a w/o in the 4th round).
This takes his record in his last 96 matches to 93-3.
Federer lost 2 out of 3 matches prior to the US Open (Berdych at the Olympics and Hrbaty in the 1st round of Cincy), making his last 99 matches run a 94-5 streak.
Ergo, if Federer wins his next 2 matches, he'll have a 96-4 record. Winning the next 4 matches will be enough to equal the Open Era record of 97-3.
Winning 4 consecutive matches, conveniently, will also equal Roger with Muster at 35 consecutive matches won!

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 12:23 AM
Why?

They saw the second set against Henman as a bit of a tank, and I can't really blame them. I'm pretty sure the volley he hit wide to lose his serve to love and go down 1-5 in the second was a near-deliberate miss.

Dirk
10-03-2005, 12:36 AM
I do hope he was mindful of the fact that he was leading the withdrawals from Madrid last year - practice what you preach, after all, which is what he seems to be doing this time round.

Personally I'd prefer it if he skipped Madrid, then played and won Basel, Paris and TMC - just because I particularly like both those two carpet events and he's never won them before, plus of course the motivation to win in his home town must be huge and I hope it doesn't become an albatross round his neck like, say, Vina del Mar was with Rios. I also hope that the patrons in Paris-Bercy get a slightly better impression of Federer than they did the last time he played there, when he was booed off court.

Roger will win them over next year at RG when he gives his champion speech in French. ;)

TenHound
10-03-2005, 03:50 AM
Dirk, do shut down your computer before bedtime to avoid these sleepwalking posts!!

@Purple Rainbow, I don't get yr. numbers. Before Roger tossed it in Cincy - rather than withdraw, after winning Canada 2 days before & wanting to get back to Europe before Olympics - he Won Canadian Open. SO, Why do you have him 94-5, rather than 95-5?

TenHound
10-03-2005, 04:02 AM
I still think he's risking his records by playing 3 before Year End's. I agree w/Sjengster that he just skip Madrid. Stay rested & avoid provoking young lions by stealing the thunder in their home country. Every person in attendance will just be marking time til their hero can dethrone him. Go play w/Mirka for the week!

LCeh
10-03-2005, 04:51 AM
Here's what Roger said after US Open:

Federer said he liked all the top players to compete in the two Masters Series events leading up to the Tennis Masters Cup in Shanghai in November.

He hoped Hewitt would be able to play around his family commitments after wife Bec Cartwright gave birth to their first child next month.

"I really thought he wants to play," Federer said.

"It's obvious that tennis is a professional hobby in a way. We'll see him stronger than ever next year.

"It would be a pity if he doesn't play. I hope all the guys play the end of the year, unlike last year where in Madrid everyone pulled out.

"Come on, guys, we should be playing. That's why I took my rest after Wimbledon (for five weeks). I'm still very fresh and I have reserves left in my tank."

I hope that is true and he won't be overplaying. He already played the same number of matches as he did last year yet it is just the beginning of October, and he is scheduled to play 4 more events. I hope it won't hinder his performance next year even if he somehow managed to win most of the remaining tournaments.

And I am kind of surprised that he is encouraging other players to play more when everyone else is complaining about how long the season is. ;)

Purple Rainbow
10-03-2005, 11:58 AM
Dirk, do shut down your computer before bedtime to avoid these sleepwalking posts!!

@Purple Rainbow, I don't get yr. numbers. Before Roger tossed it in Cincy - rather than withdraw, after winning Canada 2 days before & wanting to get back to Europe before Olympics - he Won Canadian Open. SO, Why do you have him 94-5, rather than 95-5?

Sorry for not making that post very clear! The point is the record for most matches won in a 100 match strectch. The Open Era record is 97-3.
Rogerhas been at 95-5 for quite a while, but since he is on 31 match winning streak, Federer is all of a sudden very close to equalling the Open Era record of 97-3.
Point is, Roger needs to win his next 4 matches to achieve that feat!

Here are the stats!

PLAYER........................TIME PERIOD......................RECORD

Bjorn Borg...............May 1979-Aug. 1980...................97-3
J. McEnroe..............Jan. 1984-Apr. 1985...................96-4
Ivan Lendl...............Sep.1981-Aug. 1982..................96-4
Roger Federer..........Jun. 2004-Current.......................95-5
Guillermo Vilas..........Jul. 1977-May 1978...................94-6

SUKTUEN
10-03-2005, 04:33 PM
thanks

TenHound
10-04-2005, 03:36 AM
Purple Rainbow, thanks for the clarification. Damnit, if Roger hadn't been so stupid & pigheaded & had withdrawn from MC this yr. when he was obviously too wasted to play after his feat of winning b2b Masters' in America, he would be approaching the undisputed record of 98-2. Dumbo, shithead...can't he play for records occasionally??!!! That would have been a magnificent record to have after his name.

ExpectedWinner
10-04-2005, 05:17 PM
Damnit, if Roger hadn't been so stupid & pigheaded & had withdrawn from MC this yr. when he was obviously too wasted to play after his feat of winning b2b Masters' in America, he would be approaching the undisputed record of 98-2. Dumbo, shithead...can't he play for records occasionally??!!! That would have been a magnificent record to have after his name.

:rolleyes: How can anyone, you or Federer, calculate records in advance? Besides, playing for records is a recipe for a disaster.

* "Dumbo, shithead, pighead"... I bet you hear these words often about yourself. :p

Purple Rainbow
10-04-2005, 07:01 PM
:rolleyes: How can anyone, you or Federer, calculate records in advance? Besides, playing for records is a recipe for a disaster.

* "Dumbo, shithead, pighead"... I bet you hear these words often about yourself. :p

I think somebody has to learn a thing or two about sarcasm here! :p

ExpectedWinner
10-04-2005, 09:34 PM
I think somebody has to learn a thing or two about sarcasm here! :p

Who? ;)

SUKTUEN
10-05-2005, 04:18 PM
13 championship

the_natural
10-14-2005, 08:14 AM
I hope that is true and he won't be overplaying. He already played the same number of matches as he did last year yet it is just the beginning of October, and he is scheduled to play 4 more events. I hope it won't hinder his performance next year even if he somehow managed to win most of the remaining tournaments.



Your Joking right??? Roger Federer overplay. Lol, funny ;) Agassi is probably the only player who expends less energy in a match because Federer likes to use all his shots and likes to get into long rallies and chase down the ball, but other than that he wont use anymore energy than he has to

SUKTUEN
10-14-2005, 08:41 AM
Roger is not very over play~~~

He have a long break after Wimby