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Davis Cup 2005 SF: Croatia vs Russia in Croatia

El Legenda
07-17-2005, 05:33 PM
Im not sure about the surface yet. its probly going to be Carpet. Cuz Ivan is just ridicouls good on it. as he showed this week. but i think grass might be a better fit for Ancic.


Ivan will be amazing again. he's won he's last 8 DC matchs.

Croatia 3-1. Ivan goes 3-0 again, as Ancic losses 3rd staright singles match in DC

ys
07-17-2005, 06:56 PM
Sure. Carpet. Against the best indoors player of the decade. :lol: I hope it's carpet. Kremlin Cup surface.. :lol:

NATAS81
07-17-2005, 08:31 PM
Unless Russia adds Safin and Joachim Johansson to their roster, I don't like their chances.

Nimomunz
07-17-2005, 08:58 PM
Carpet against Safin is as dumb as the US decision to play Ivan on hardcourt! I mean last year in the indoor season Ivan was on fire until he met Safin who schooled him on playing on carpet! I mean Safin loves the purity that carpet has with the elements being blocked out!! I'm calling Russia on this!!

RickDaStick
07-17-2005, 09:20 PM
Carpet against Safin is as dumb as the US decision to play Ivan on hardcourt! I mean last year in the indoor season Ivan was on fire until he met Safin who schooled him on playing on carpet! I mean Safin loves the purity that carpet has with the elements being blocked out!! I'm calling Russia on this!!

schooled him? If i remember correctly ivan led 76(0) 20 before Safin came back and won it in 3 tight sets, hardly a schooling.

RaVeR
07-17-2005, 09:23 PM
and Mario...please win some matches in Davis Cup :rolleyes:
you must play better!!

Good luck Croatia...huge chance for final

ys
07-17-2005, 11:09 PM
I am though not quite clear, with what they understand as "carpet" in Croatia. The last tie against Romania was told to have place on carpet, and at the same time they say "Greenset". Greenset is hardcourts. Acrylic-based, but still technically a hardcourt.

El Legenda
07-18-2005, 12:17 AM
call me Crazy..but they will put this on Grass

ys
07-18-2005, 01:59 AM
call me Crazy..but they will put this on Grass

Sure not. But that will indeed be crazy. I sure hope they will do that. Because by that they will neutralize not Safin - who proved that he can play on grass, not Youznyi whose record on grass is not bad. That will neutralize the one who is the only one of all involved who is absolutely pitiful on grass - and that's Ljubicic - the man who singlehandedly won two ties for Croatia. I sure pray they do that..:)

El Legenda
07-18-2005, 05:29 AM
Sure not. But that will indeed be crazy. I sure hope they will do that. Because by that they will neutralize not Safin - who proved that he can play on grass, not Youznyi whose record on grass is not bad. That will neutralize the one who is the only one of all involved who is absolutely pitiful on grass - and that's Ljubicic - the man who singlehandedly won two ties for Croatia. I sure pray they do that..:)

Ancic would win both on grass. and they can win doubles..

on indoor...they would win doubles and Ivan and Mario would beat Davy. and Ivan vs Safin would be a coin flip

El Legenda
07-18-2005, 05:44 AM
and now we know where it will be played SAME PLACE AS vs Rom

Ancic is naturally keen to play the Russians in Split: "The atmosphere was great, everything was great, so Split deserves one more.”

Pilic agrees: Split is our choice, it was great. Surface? The same. Same surface,

ys
07-18-2005, 06:06 AM
Nice.

RickDaStick
07-18-2005, 09:58 PM
Croatia has not lost a home tie since 1999.

Hendu
07-18-2005, 10:12 PM
Ancic would win both on grass. and they can win doubles..

on indoor...they would win doubles and Ivan and Mario would beat Davy. and Ivan vs Safin would be a coin flip

Why are you so sure Ancic would beat Safin on grass?


call me Crazy..but they will put this on Grass

You are crazy!!!!! ;)

:wavey:

Spiro_CRO
07-19-2005, 11:14 AM
It won't be played on grass couse there isn't grass court in Croatia.

ys
07-20-2005, 02:44 PM
Tursunov finally agreed to play for Russia. If it is fast carpet with low bounce, he might come in instead of Andreev.

IvanOle
07-24-2005, 06:00 PM
THERE IS ONE GRASS COURT IN CROATIA.KAROLINA SPREM WAS PRACTICED LAST YEAR BEFORE WIMBLEDON,NEAR VARAZDIN.

El Legenda
07-25-2005, 09:40 AM
THERE IS ONE GRASS COURT IN CROATIA.KAROLINA SPREM WAS PRACTICED LAST YEAR BEFORE WIMBLEDON,NEAR VARAZDIN.

yeah i know there a grass courts..but does it have 4000-10,000 seats?

Nimomunz
07-25-2005, 01:34 PM
schooled him? If i remember correctly ivan led 76(0) 20 before Safin came back and won it in 3 tight sets, hardly a schooling.
ok maybe not a schooling but Safin is almost invincible when it comes to carpet and is almost invincible when it comes to Davis cup put them together any team will be hardpressed to beat him!!

El Legenda
07-29-2005, 05:15 AM
Croatia wins 3-1. Argentinas can book there flight to crotia for the final

Terremoto
07-29-2005, 11:22 AM
Good Luck Croatia!!!

NyGeL
07-31-2005, 04:20 AM
If Safin plays, then Russia will win.

It will be a nice tie :)

drf716
08-05-2005, 04:03 AM
Croatia has not lost a home tie since 1999.
the time has come for them to experience it once again. go russia!

El Legenda
08-05-2005, 06:37 AM
the match is NOT PLAYED ON CARPET...some kind of rubber, i think lol...ill look into it.

El Legenda
08-05-2005, 06:38 AM
even with Safin Croatia still wins...Ivan is 2 good in DC. and Ivan and Safin always have good matchs vs each other...alot of TB's.

Russian elephant
08-05-2005, 10:22 AM
I don't think we'll use Marat - injury is rather serious, even if he recovers he won't have enough time for practice.
Youzhny and Davydenko can do well on croatian carpet, but Kolya has some problems now. Misha is not stable, but I have sense he will have good autumn this year.
Tursunov said he is not going to play for Russia...

mad1town
08-05-2005, 07:41 PM
Tursunov said he is not going to play for Russia...

I thought Tursunov said he was going to play for Russia?? Do you have a link / newspaper article that states he won't play??

El Legenda
08-06-2005, 05:17 AM
once again..ITS NOT ON CARPET.

Dream
08-06-2005, 10:26 AM
I'm almost sure Tursunov won't play. I don't even think of him as a Russian player.
But I'm sure we'll beat Croatia! We've got a strong team, especially if Marat recovers. There is an information he's started pranticing already:))) Sounds optimistic!

mad1town
08-06-2005, 01:51 PM
I'm almost sure Tursunov won't play. I don't even think of him as a Russian player.
But I'm sure we'll beat Croatia! We've got a strong team, especially if Marat recovers. There is an information he's started pranticing already:))) Sounds optimistic!

Well, he is a Russian citizen so he is technically Russian. How is he situation any different than Sharapova or any of the Russian women who left the country at a young age?

mad1town
08-06-2005, 01:54 PM
oppps...'his situation' rather than 'he situation'

Saumon
08-06-2005, 04:43 PM
Well, he is a Russian citizen so he is technically Russian. How is he situation any different than Sharapova or any of the Russian women who left the country at a young age?
dmitry has been in the process of becoming an american citizen for over 10 years now :)

btw it's funny how BIASED RDucky is :lol: :lol:

Dream
08-06-2005, 08:06 PM
Well, he is a Russian citizen so he is technically Russian. How is he situation any different than Sharapova or any of the Russian women who left the country at a young age?

Yeah, I don't see any difference. To emigrate and to betray means the same for me. And even if the one still has Russian passport but refuses to represent Russia - I don't think he/she is Russian. Just IMHO

IvanOle
08-07-2005, 06:38 PM
Matcjes will play on greenset.

bjorn4tennis92
08-07-2005, 06:49 PM
GOOD LUCK CROATIA! I KNOW IVAN AND MARIO WILL DOMINATE AT DOUBLES BUT MARIO HAS GOTTA WIN THE SINGLES!!!! RUSSIA NEVER COMES OUT WITH A FULL STRONG TEAM. DAVY IS ALWAYS HURT AND SAFIN I DON'T THINK GIVES A CRAP ANYMORE. CROATIA WILL WIN 3-1 AND SAFIN WON'T WANNA PLAY THE 5TH RUBBER. HAHA :D

Dream
08-08-2005, 08:52 AM
Haha! Very funny!
Russia will definitely win!!!

El Legenda
08-08-2005, 10:54 PM
Haha! Very funny!
Russia will definitely win!!!

just like you name, in your dream.

Russian elephant
08-09-2005, 08:46 AM
I thought Tursunov said he was going to play for Russia?? Do you have a link / newspaper article that states he won't play??

Article in Sport-Express.
http://www.byw.ru/showpost.php?p=310076&postcount=3

Dream
08-09-2005, 10:11 AM
just like you name, in your dream.

My dreams always come true!!!
DAVAY, ROSSIYA!!!

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 03:59 PM
H2H between Safin and Ljubicic:
2004 Paris AMS, Carpet, R32
France Carpet R32 Safin 6 7 6 3 7 5
2001 Lyon, Carpet, S
France Carpet S Ljubicic 7 6 6 7 6 7
2001 US Open, Hard, R64
NY, U.S.A. Hard R64 Safin 7 6 6 7 7 6 7 6
2000 Sydney, Hard, R32
Australia Hard R32 Ljubicic 7 6 3 6 3 6

Far too many tB :lol: but notice in the big matches ie TMS and Grand Slam Safin comes out on top.
this is what the tie will be about:
Dvorana SC Gripe, Split, Croatia
Stadium Capacity: 5100
23 September - 25 September 2005
Surface: Carpet (Greenset) - Indoors
Ball Type: Pro Penn ATP

for safin his davis cup appearances are as follows:
Total Clay Carpet Grass Hard Unknown Indoor Outdoor
Won 23 11 9 0 3 0 20 3
Lost 14 4 3 2 5 0 7 7
Carpet is 9-3 indoor is 20-7

for ljubicic it is:
Total Clay Carpet Grass Hard Unknown Indoor Outdoor
Won 26 8 15 0 3 0 16 10
Lost 14 7 4 0 3 0 5 9
Carpet is 15-4 and indoor is 16-5
Marats % for carpet is 75% and for indoor is 74%
Ivan for carpet is 79% and for indoor is 76%.
I think this match will be very tight.

Nimomunz
08-11-2005, 04:05 PM
Davydenko:
Total Clay Carpet Grass Hard Unknown Indoor Outdoor
Won 5 4 1 0 0 0 5 0
Lost 3 3 0 0 0 0 1 2
Carpet is 1-0 and indoor is 5-1

Ancic:
Total Clay Carpet Grass Hard Unknown Indoor Outdoor
Won 10 0 9 0 1 0 8 2
Lost 9 4 4 0 1 0 6 3
Carpet is 9-4 and Indoor is 8-6

% for Daydenko is carpet:100% :lol: and indoor 83%
% for Ancic is carpet 69% and indoor 57%.
i think Ancic will lose both his matches and so all safin and davydenko will need to do is beat Ivan once or in the doubles and they are good to go!!

p.s. im assuming that davydenkos good form this year will guarantee him the place. marat will be fine come Davis Cup time so he is def in.

croat123
08-11-2005, 04:59 PM
ancic won't lose in split again. now he really has something to prove and he owes the crowd a win in singles.

El Legenda
08-14-2005, 01:26 PM
Ljubo is on a steak last 9 DC matchs 9-0

Saumon
08-14-2005, 02:52 PM
to have a winning streak doesnt mean it'll never be broken
;)

Deea
08-15-2005, 10:21 AM
Go Russia! They have to win and they will win! Russia is not USA and neither Romania! Russia means Marat Safin who really wants to make up for missing the tie against France, Davydenko, Youzny, Andreev! Well that's a strong team! Go Russia! I really want them to win because of the Croats Russia didn't come to Romania! So...lots of luck!

El Legenda
09-06-2005, 07:56 PM
Croatia will win with or without Safin for Russia. That crowd will do anything to fuck up the Russia players..its gonna get out of control.

NINA_BCN
09-06-2005, 08:06 PM
Koyla is injured too, so.....

RaVeR
09-06-2005, 11:08 PM
GO CROATIA!!

El Legenda
09-07-2005, 12:44 AM
Koyla is injured too, so.....

how bad?

fanancic
09-07-2005, 06:36 PM
AJMO HRVATSKA!!!!

El Legenda
09-13-2005, 03:16 AM
only 11 days away :zzz:

Fergie
09-13-2005, 05:21 AM
only 11 days away :zzz:
I can't wait!!! :banana:

smucav
09-13-2005, 06:10 PM
The ITF has announced the team nominations for the Semifinals and Play-offs of the 2005 Davis Cup by BNP Paribas World Group and eight Zonal ties to be played on 23-25 September. Some team nominations are still to be confirmed and will appear on www.daviscup.com as soon as they are available.

Live scoring for all World Group ties will be available on the Davis Cup website throughout the weekend.

WORLD GROUP SEMIFINALS

SLOVAK REPUBLIC v ARGENTINA
Venue: Bratislava, Slovak Republic (hard - indoors)

Slovak Republic
Dominik Hrbaty
Karol Beck
Karol Kucera
Michal Mertinak
Captain: Miloslav Mecir

Argentina
Guillermo Coria
David Nalbandian
Mariano Puerta
Gaston Gaudio
Captain: Alberto Mancini

CROATIA v RUSSIA
Venue: Split, Croatia (carpet - indoors)

Croatia
Ivan Ljubicic
Mario Ancic
Ivo Karlovic
Sasa Tuksar
Captain: Niki Pilic

Russia
Nikolay Davydenko
Mikhail Youzhny
Igor Andreev
Dmitry Tursunov
Captain: Shamil Tarpischev

mad1town
09-13-2005, 06:43 PM
I noticed that Youzhny and Tursunov are now playing doubles together at the China Open (late entry I think...getting ready to play doubles vs. Croatia????

Dmitry TURSUNOV (RUS)/Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) vs Goran DRAGICEVIC (USA)/Mirko PEHAR(USA)

keqtqiadv
09-15-2005, 12:20 AM
No Safin... Russia is in trouble. But Ancic and Ljubicic haven't done well lately.

mini155
09-15-2005, 07:44 PM
Russia
Nikolay Davydenko
Mikhail Youzhny
Igor Andreev
Dmitry Tursunov
Captain: Shamil Tarpischev

Congratulations to russia for finding four UNINJURED players...
But it doesn´t matter who Russia sends to Split, because Ivan is UNBEATABLE!!!!!!!

Leo
09-17-2005, 05:40 PM
Oh damn, without Safin this is an uphill battle for Russia. Crucial that they beat Ancic both times and win the doubles, for I fear Ljubicic will be 2-0 in singles again.

Davydenko and Youzhny will definitely be singles, unlike Nikolay is injured. Even though Andreev was used last time, he would be the wrong choice on carpet.

croat123
09-18-2005, 04:22 PM
will there be a webcast anywhere?

Fergie
09-18-2005, 09:42 PM
Congratulations to russia for finding four UNINJURED players...
But it doesn´t matter who Russia sends to Split, because Ivan is UNBEATABLE!!!!!!!
Yeah, Ivan will win all his points again :)

TheBoiledEgg
09-19-2005, 12:08 PM
great this is live in UK :yeah:
Sky Sports

come on Russia !!!!!!!!

Kolya on carpet is pretty ok, he did win Moscow last yr ;)
Misha is a headcase where-ever he plays.

Igor on this, i'd say no

give the fuzzball Dmitry his debut, Croatia wont know what him them.

druidman
09-20-2005, 12:59 AM
Ok, my heart and my money with Russia. Heart is always belongs to Russia. Money are also at this weekend. Hope I wont be dissapointed at the end of the weekend.

druidman
09-20-2005, 01:00 AM
I only hope Kolya will be at his best and then we can go 3-1 in singles.

Five
09-20-2005, 05:06 AM
Ancic is very beatable. Kolya and Misha should win over him. Kolya can beat Ljubicic if his head is on :yeah:
I hope this tie will be dicided after third or fourth rubber. If it's up to doubles match to decide the tie, Russia gets little chances.
Go RUSSIA :bounce: :banana:

fanancic
09-20-2005, 08:39 AM
Ancic can't lose one match. He is in Split and now he has more experience
Ajmo Mario!!

I♥PsY@Mus!c
09-20-2005, 01:04 PM
You are right,fanancic! :yeah: Ajmo Croatia! :rocker2:

fanancic
09-20-2005, 07:02 PM
GO CROATIA !!!!!!!!
You can do it!!

http://www.anciconline.com/gallery/content/126.jpg

Fergie
09-21-2005, 02:11 AM
Kolya can beat Ljubicic if his head is on :yeah:
I don't see Ivan losing any of his points since long time and this will not be the first time ;)

Five
09-21-2005, 02:20 AM
I don't see Ivan losing any of his points since long time and this will not be the first time ;)
Ljubicic can't lose a point, Ancic can't lose a match , so Croatia beats Russia 5-0 :rolleyes:
Dream on :wavey:

Fergie
09-21-2005, 05:00 AM
Ljubicic can't lose a point, Ancic can't lose a match , so Croatia beats Russia 5-0 :rolleyes:
Dream on :wavey:
Who said that Croatia will win 5-0? :rolleyes:

At least I don't have the same confidence in Mario like I have in Ivan ;)

Five
09-21-2005, 05:09 AM
Who said that Croatia will win 5-0? :rolleyes:

At least I don't have the same confidence in Mario like I have in Ivan ;)
Ancic can't lose one match

I don't see Ivan losing any of his points
anyway Go Russia ;) :angel:

Fergie
09-21-2005, 05:17 AM
BTW I was talking for myself! ;)

I will bet for a 3-2 ... Croatia :)

druidman
09-21-2005, 10:39 AM
Finally my money goes on Croatia, aften long thoughts, long analisys, long dreams, Iam on Croatia with my money. And on Russia with my heart. Still hope Russia will win, but brain tells me to bet on Croatia strong.

croat123
09-21-2005, 01:32 PM
ivan should win his two matches and we'll take the doubles. mario is always questionable cause he can beat the best when he plays well and he can lose to anyone on a bad day

Russian elephant
09-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Druidman
ты перебежчик, Россия тебе не простит бегства капиталов :)

It's rather surprising that Tursunov is in team, I see 2 reasons:
- Tarpischev persuaded him to play doubles with Misha;
- there is no Safin, and Tursunov has some problems with him, I suppose...

I still think Russia has chances 60/40 in this match - Mishgun is in good form and can win at least 1 match, Kolyan is a fighter and can win both single matches...

{Annie}
09-21-2005, 02:01 PM
Nervous, very nervous BUT

1. Mario is in crappy shape lately and that should do us some good.
2. Kolya is injured but he was injured in July, too and performed a miracle, so I am hoping for one now, too
3. Misha and Tursunov were runners-up in China Open doubles tournament..now that's not such a bad sign either.

My heart, my money, my everything goes to Russia as always... :worship: :worship:

COME ON BOYS!!!!!!!!!! WE CAN DO THIS!!!!!!! UDACHI :bounce: :bigclap: :clap2: :yeah: :yippee:

Mara_M
09-21-2005, 04:52 PM
sorry guys..i love mario...but DAVAI RASSIA....GO IGOR GO:p:yeah:

Warp
09-21-2005, 05:49 PM
I think that the crowd will have a big influence on the game, and in Split is always great atmosphere regarding sports, especially if plays someone born in Split, like Mario.

Croatia will win this, with unbeatable Ivan, and Mario playing home.

Also, if match in pairs willl bring desion about winners, Russia dosen´t have a chance, Ivan and Mario are really good pair in Davis Cup.


AJMO HRVATSKA!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

druidman
09-21-2005, 05:54 PM
Druidman
ты перебежчик, Россия тебе не простит бегства капиталов :)

It's rather surprising that Tursunov is in team, I see 2 reasons:
- Tarpischev persuaded him to play doubles with Misha;
- there is no Safin, and Tursunov has some problems with him, I suppose...

I still think Russia has chances 60/40 in this match - Mishgun is in good form and can win at least 1 match, Kolyan is a fighter and can win both single matches...

Money are only a business, but Iam always with Russia with my heart and it's a main part which counts :)

I think Youzhny is in a good shape, but I doubt Davydenko. Without in-form Davydenko we will have no chance. Wish him all the best to recover and hope to see him at his best this weekend :)

Go Kolya!!!!

smucav
09-22-2005, 04:03 PM
Please find below the draws for the World Group Semifinals and Play-off ties of the 2005 Davis Cup by BNP Paribas World Group and the eight Zonal ties to be played on 23-25 September. Reports, scorecards, photos and interviews will be on www.daviscup.com <http://www.daviscup.com> over the weekend.

Live scoring for all World Group ties will be available on the Davis Cup website throughout the weekend.

WORLD GROUP SEMIFINALS

SLOVAK REPUBLIC v ARGENTINA
Venue: Bratislava, Slovak Republic (hard - indoors)
Karol Beck (SVK) v Guillermo Coria (ARG)
Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) v David Nalbandian (ARG)
Karol Beck/Michal Mertinak (SVK) v David Nalbandian/Mariano Puerta (ARG)
Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) v Guillermo Coria (ARG)
Karol Beck (SVK) v David Nalbandian (ARG)

CROATIA v RUSSIA
Venue: Split, Croatia (carpet - indoors)
Mario Ancic (CRO) v Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)
Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) v Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
Mario Ancic/Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) v Dmitry Tursunov/Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)
Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) v Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)
Mario Ancic (CRO) v Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)

Five
09-22-2005, 04:31 PM
I like the draw :D
Its sad that Kolya is number 7 in the world and hes still underestimated :D Prove the doubters wrong Kolya :fiery: :fiery:

Five
09-22-2005, 04:37 PM
Druidman
ты перебежчик, Россия тебе не простит бегства капиталов :)

Если мы выиграем, я прощу ему :p

Mara_M
09-24-2005, 09:18 PM
god...speak english pls....davai!

I♥PsY@Mus!c
09-24-2005, 11:08 PM
Ajmo Ivan! :rocker2: This match is tough but I have a faith in you! :rocker2:

sonatinca
09-25-2005, 12:57 PM
Давай, Колька!!! Держись!!!!
C'mon Kolya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fergie
09-25-2005, 01:06 PM
Ajmo Croatia!

fanancic
09-26-2005, 08:13 AM
CROATIA WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dream
09-26-2005, 12:32 PM
Обидно, досадно, но ладно...
Особенно жалко, что не выиграли пару - реальный шанс упустили (: Кто знает, как бы все сложилось...
So we just have to watch unexpected final and wait for the next season.