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Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 12:16 AM
I was unclear on wether or not we wanted a new thread? So I just made one anyhow, and it's here when we do ...

*EDIT*

Newbies, lurkers, anybody who isn't a regular: this is our "chat pot". Feel free to jump in :)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:19 AM
LOL, well, I'll start using the new thread :) Since I have to catch up on posts from the first one anyway, I'll just c/p them here :)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I realized the implication since Houston bought the right for TWO years. Gosh, Pandy is surely happy about that, he has 2 years to get to Houston, would be great if he couldn't make it this year. I would hate to see my limited coverage overwhelmed by Pandy and Baldy.

Well, I think that they will be fair with the coverage -- we might see Andy's and Agassihole's matches live or something, but I think we'll see all of the matches just like this year and last year.

Personally, I'm wondering what kind of culture stuff they'll make them do. Wear ten gallon hats? Go to a barbeque? Line dancing? LOL, the possibilities are endless . . .

ILR
02-20-2003, 12:22 AM
:eek: I feel kinda sad leaving our old thread behind!But if it speeds things up well then it can only be good ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 12:26 AM
I'll stop posting in the other thread now too ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 12:27 AM
Maybe we should move to a new thread every 25000 posts now? ;)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
Don't fret, Vera. Some ppl say that what occurs in your dream is the exact opposite when you're awake. So you still might get your ticket! ;)

Oh, dear, I hope not!! Last night I dreamed about Michel winning his first tournament -- revenge over Hewitt for the Tokyo 2001 final, no less! :eek:

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 12:28 AM
Regarding Houston - unfortunately, I believe that Andy is going to make it this year. However, we can all hope not :)

ILR
02-20-2003, 12:32 AM
Yeah I heard that too Mrs.B,I mustve missed that post :o for example I dream sometimes about death which apprently has something to do with birth and new life.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Hackie - English isn't my subject of choice. I like to read for leisure, but school manages to kill scores of perfectly decent books! 1984, Brave New World, To Kill a Mocking Bird, Lord of the Flies, anything Shakespeare... the list goes on! Perfectly decentt literature that I will never be able to look at the same way!

Indeed, I was just ranting to my roommates today that freshman English crushed my soul (heehee, my newest buzzphrase) because we were never allowed to read for pleasure, it was always to analyze the text. And we read some perfectly good books in that class, too, for which my interest was killed when I had to "read it a certain way" :rolleyes:


Furthermore, my writing skills are pretty poor. I have the unfortunate habit of writing exactly how I speak, which often makes for incoherent messages.

LOL, but stream of consciousness is quite avant garde these days ;) And if you could pick up some editing skills you'd be set. But you have quite a way with visuals -- your descriptions of your eye was especially disgusting because you kept going on and on and on . . . . not that I want you to start it up again, either

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:eek: I feel kinda sad leaving our old thread behind!But if it speeds things up well then it can only be good ;)

Well, it's not like it'll be gone forever. The discussion will always be there :) But if speed is hampering some of us, we might as well have a new thread.

A new chapter, if you will ;)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Regarding Houston - unfortunately, I believe that Andy is going to make it this year. However, we can all hope not :)

We can always pray for a miracle -- it's only February!

ILR
02-20-2003, 12:37 AM
yeah a new chapter :) and it will always be there for uh references I guess ;) *wrote a new poem about my gorgeous Finn;)*

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:38 AM
LOL, once again I am dominating the chat thread :o

BUT, since we have so many different languages being represented here, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what this means? I don't think its in Russian, but I could be wrong. Guesses also for Spanish or German.

"Mario, imi lipseste zambetul tau, imbratisarea ta, ochii tai luminosi, imi lipsesti tu. Te iubesc pe zi ce trece mai mult."

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:39 AM
*thinking of gorgeous Finns* :drool:

Hehe, yeah, er . . . references.

Layla
02-20-2003, 12:40 AM
Hi! :wavey:

So we're moving to a new thread? Suddenly I feel sad for no apparent reason. It's like moving to a new house. I hope this will help but I'm having second thoughts about it. Today it took me ages to load a thread with zero replies in Seb's forum. :eek:

Anyway, here I am, relocating. :D

Olivier lost. :sad: As much as I'm happy for Sjeng, I really wanted Ollie to win. Very soon he will drop out of top 100 if he continues to lose, because he had a good start last year. :(

Thanks for good news about Di Pasquale TH. :) I hope he goes far.

And congrats to Roger. :bounce: But tomorrow, my loyalties clearly lie with Fabrice. Sorry RF fans. :o I don't think Santoro will win however. :(

ILR
02-20-2003, 12:44 AM
:wavey: Layla

I put that in the other page I feel a little sad :o lol

and sticking up for Fabrice :eek: how dare you ;) Well I didnt think he'd beat him in Madrid so you never know what can happen.

And Hackie,I didnt mean to set you off :p

Layla
02-20-2003, 12:49 AM
Seb won, which made me very happy :) but he should have dealt with Renzo more decisively. He had a 4-0 lead in the second set, but Furlan fought back to 4-3 and at 5-4, Sebastien had problems serving out. He was taken to deuce. I would've been very mad if he managed to lose that set. His first serve percentage was very low. I hope he plays better against Hrbaty.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:49 AM
Arnaud lost in doubles today :(

Jonathan Erlich/Noam Okun (ISR/ISR) d. (WC) Julien Benneteau/Arnaud DiPasquale (FRA/FRA) 6-2, 6-7, 6-2

Layla
02-20-2003, 12:52 AM
Awww, well it's only doubles so I won't fret. :( What's funny though is that I saw both Arnaud and Benneteau at the Ljubljana challenger. Unfortunately, Benneteau lost in the quarters to Horna (who defeated Lapentti today) so the possibility of an all-French semi was nipped in the bud. And Horna almost defeated DiP, he won the first set and lead in the second but then the rain came. I went home to get myself something to eat. I went back when the rain stopped and Arnaud came back strong, took away that set from Horna and won the third one easily. It was a great day. :D I like Horna though. He won the Zagreb challenger which I saw on TV.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
And Hackie,I didnt mean to set you off :p

LOL, as if I need a reason to start thinking about Jarkko! :p

Layla, I too feel a bit weird starting a new thread, but I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. Like I said, the old thread will always be there, so it's not like we completely picked up and left. Just as long as everyone finds us, it'll be okay :)

By the way, Arnaud is the featured singles night match tomorrow. He plays fellow Frenchman Thierry Ascione.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 12:57 AM
LOL, but stream of consciousness is quite avant garde these days And if you could pick up some editing skills you'd be set. But you have quite a way with visuals -- your descriptions of your eye was especially disgusting because you kept going on and on and on . . . . not that I want you to start it up again, either

I'm sure I could learn to have a nicer writing style, I just can't be bothered at this point in my academic career :o I used to get made fun of on Sanex for often selecting the wrong word for something, or for my spelling - this was when I first started writing on messages boards, mind you, and I wasn't used to writing to people in this fashion.

Regardless, I tell good stories orally, so it's not surprising that I make a good use of detail when I write it on here.

Layla
02-20-2003, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL, once again I am dominating the chat thread :o

BUT, since we have so many different languages being represented here, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what this means? I don't think its in Russian, but I could be wrong. Guesses also for Spanish or German.

"Mario, imi lipseste zambetul tau, imbratisarea ta, ochii tai luminosi, imi lipsesti tu. Te iubesc pe zi ce trece mai mult."

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure it's Romanian.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Awww, well it's only doubles so I won't fret. :( What's funny though is that I saw both Arnaud and Benneteau at the Ljubljana challenger. Unfortunately, Benneteau lost in the quarters to Horna (who defeated Lapentti today) so the possibility of an all-French semi was nipped in the bud. And Horna almost defeated DiP, he won the first set and lead in the second but then the rain came. I went home to get myself something to eat. I went back when the rain stopped and Arnaud came back strong, took away that set from Horna and won the third one easily. It was a great day. :D I like Horna though. He won the Zagreb challenger which I saw on TV.

Well, it is indeed worth noting that they were a wildcard pair, and they lost to the second seeds, so it was a good effort :)

There could very well be a French final here, I think -- Arnaud will likely play Anthony Dupuis in the quarters if both win through, and Cyril Sauliner is in the bottom half of the draw.Here's the draw (http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2003/827/mds.pdf) (pdf), by the way ;)

ILR
02-20-2003, 01:01 AM
I have to go to bed now guys itsl ike 2am :o and Im tired.Goodnight :wavey:

hey Im the first person to leave the thread!:D lol :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 01:01 AM
:wavey: new thread! :)

I have to dash off to get my driver's license renewed... just wanted to say hi and officially say farewell to the old thread and hello to the new one!

Good day/evening/night all! :)

:wavey: :wavey:

Layla
02-20-2003, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Indeed, I was just ranting to my roommates today that freshman English crushed my soul (heehee, my newest buzzphrase) because we were never allowed to read for pleasure, it was always to analyze the text. And we read some perfectly good books in that class, too, for which my interest was killed when I had to "read it a certain way" :rolleyes:


LOL, to some people analyzing the text IS pleasure (that would include me :o ). Literary theory and criticism was my favorite course. I really enjoyed reading texts from different perspectives and focusing on different elements. Just as long as it's clear that every interpretation is subjective and valid in its own right. The most important thing I learned in the first days of that course was that meaning lies with the reader not the author or even the text. The author has his own meaning that is relevant to him but is in no way prescriptive. That notion really opened my eyes and liberated me. LOL, ignore my ramblings. I actually miss those days. *sigh*

Layla
02-20-2003, 01:08 AM
Goodnight Emma! :wavey: Hello Allan! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Hmmm, I'm pretty sure it's Romanian.

LOL, but you don't know what it means?

Hmm . . . this was in the public newsletter/announcement list today, and though I don't know a kid named Mario, there is a Marius from Romania. Knowing his character (pretty self-serving & arrogant) I'm quite curious as to what it means! :D

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 01:10 AM
Bye, ILR! :wavey:

Hi/bye, DP! LOL :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 01:11 AM
Just as long as it's clear that every interpretation is subjective and valid in its own right.

Layla, I don't mind analysing on my own. It's when I get into a class and am being graded based on what the teacher thinks it should say, that I have a problem with the whole process. Many times in highschool English I would just write my report on what I thought they wanted to hear - and you know, it always worked. I'm sure that University English is better, but I'm so turned off the subject that I just can't be bothered to take it unless I have to.

I'm taking off for a while though, so ta ta .

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by Layla
LOL, to some people analyzing the text IS pleasure (that would include me :o ). Literary theory and criticism was my favorite course. I really enjoyed reading texts from different perspectives and focusing on different elements. Just as long as it's clear that every interpretation is subjective and valid in its own right. The most important thing I learned in the first days of that course was that meaning lies with the reader not the author or even the text. The author has his own meaning that is relevant to him but is in no way prescriptive. That notion really opened my eyes and liberated me. LOL, ignore my ramblings. I actually miss those days. *sigh*

Well, the problem is, we had to read the book from several different perspectives at once, and usually on the first read-through. So, for example, we'd have to read a few chapters and the next class we'd discuss it from several viewpoints. As someone who didn't have much experience with this and had a hard time understanding said viewpoints, it was a difficult thing. Because we'd talk about some aspect of the plot in one theoretical frame then talk about it immediately in another one. It was all very confusing and taxing. Plus most of the books were new to us, so it wasn't even like we got a crack at reading the book for our own pleasure and thoughts before immediately launching into a 'way to read it'. I have my own way of reading books, thank you.

And my professor was very big on this. I seriously don't think the woman ever reads for pleasure. She approaches everything with this formulmatic approach. She made me feel ashamed to read simply for the pleasure of reading & escpaing. Everything HAD to have a deeper meaning, the author HAD to be striving for some unattainable goal. As a writer, I know that's not always true. Sometimes I write for the pleasure of writing, sometimes I write to get a message across.

I'm not saying literary criticism is a bad thing, it's just not for everyone. And it wasn't for me. I loved English in high school because we kept most of those goals you stated in mind. It was a completely different can of worms in college and I didn't like it

Hence, I'm not an English major.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Layla, I don't mind analysing on my own. It's when I get into a class and am being graded based on what the teacher thinks it should say, that I have a problem with the whole process. Many times in highschool English I would just write my report on what I thought they wanted to hear - and you know, it always worked.

One paper I did last year, I did this -- simply parroted back what the professor told us. I hated myself for it, but I could see no other way she'd accept a paper based on the topics she'd given us to write about for the novel. It was the only time I did that, and consequently the best grade I received all year.

See you later, Becca :wavey:

Layla
02-20-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack

"Mario, imi lipseste zambetul tau, imbratisarea ta, ochii tai luminosi, imi lipsesti tu. Te iubesc pe zi ce trece mai mult."

Ok, I think I crack it to a degree. This is my take on what it means:

Mario, I miss your smiles, your embraces, your shiny eyes, I miss you. I love you more and more every day.

I may be totally wrong but I hope I'm not. ;)

Layla
02-20-2003, 02:05 AM
Becca and TH, I understand your frustrations with literary criticism. I suppose a lot depends on the teacher. It sounds like you had a narrow-minded, humorless teacher that failed to inspire the love for reading he or she should have. TH, what you described is much too difficult even for experts, let alone beginners. I agree that the first experience of the text should be personal, i.e. reading it for pure pleasure. Various analyses and deconstructions come later. I never enjoyed following formulas. To me, the greatest fun was discussing different readings of the same text with others. Some people came up with incredible interpretations that were almost more enjoyable than the text itself sometimes.

And like I said, the writer's aim has almost nothing to do with reading the text, so it's not about discovering his hidden meanings, but rather discovering your own.

But I won't bore you with this anymore. :o

I have to go to bed now, there's another busy day ahead of me and I can't afford to be too sleepy.

Goodnight and sleep well! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Ok, I think I crack it to a degree. This is my take on what it means:

Mario, I miss your smiles, your embraces, your shiny eyes, I miss you. I love you more and more every day.

I may be totally wrong but I hope I'm not. ;)

WHOA!!!! LMAO . . . . too funny. If I find out who put that there, I'll tell you the whole story ;)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by Layla
To me, the greatest fun was discussing different readings of the same text with others. Some people came up with incredible interpretations that were almost more enjoyable than the text itself sometimes.

And like I said, the writer's aim has almost nothing to do with reading the text, so it's not about discovering his hidden meanings, but rather discovering your own.

But I won't bore you with this anymore. :o

This isn't a boring topic -- to me, anyway :)

I, too, enjoy discussing books with others for their interpretations of the text. Everyone reads in a different way and sometimes those ways are really interesting.

LOL, you make me want to start a book club :o The last thing I have time for right now :o:o

I think its fun to try to figure out what the author's intentions were when s/he wrote the text, though I'm probably way off base when I do it. I guess its just fun to speculate about why anybody does anything within the public realm ;)

Have a good night :wavey:

Layla
02-20-2003, 02:11 AM
Ah, I forgot to add that I was very lucky in that I had a great professor at uni. He was very young, only a few years older than us and he really broadened our horizons. It was my favorite course. :)

Layla
02-20-2003, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
This isn't a boring topic -- to me, anyway :)

I, too, enjoy discussing books with others for their interpretations of the text. Everyone reads in a different way and sometimes those ways are really interesting.

LOL, you make me want to start a book club :o The last thing I have time for right now :o:o

I think its fun to try to figure out what the author's intentions were when s/he wrote the text, though I'm probably way off base when I do it. I guess its just fun to speculate about why anybody does anything within the public realm ;)

Have a good night :wavey:

Yes, speculation about author's intentions is fun and I do it myself, as long as it doesn't limit your own reading or make you feel your interpretation is somehow wrong. That's all I meant to say. :)

Oh, I'd love to be part of a book club. I was discussing this with a friend of mine the other day. But like you say, this is the last thing I have time for. I haven't read a book in half a year. :sad:

Oh, and I can't wait for the explanation of that Romanian text. ;)

Now I'm really saying goodnight! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 02:38 AM
Well, I decided I'd get more work done on here (yeah right!), so I came crawling back.


I suppose a lot depends on the teacher. It sounds like you had a narrow-minded, humorless teacher that failed to inspire the love for reading he or she should have.

I dont' blame my teachers, so much as I blame the system that they are required to instruct under. The curriculum and marking regulations are pretty standard in this province, though they are even more specific in the English department of the individual highschools.

Regardless, I did have ONE English teacher in all of highschool, who I found to be very inspiring. Ironically, this was my teacher In summer school! I took summer school English for my last credit, because it was rumoured to be easier. I was aiming for a 90+ mark in the course so that I could max out my scholarship potential the next year.

Anyhow, I've never worked so hard over the span of a month before :D Well... I had never worked so hard, I certaintly have now that I'm in university! I quite enjoyed all of the books that we read, and writing about them. For the first time ever I actually tried really hard to get MY ideas across, and at the end I was rewarded with the mark I wanted. He was a bit of a hard ass when it came to marking, so I was very proud ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 03:08 AM
I hope that none of you missed Scott and Tennischick making love to each other in General Messages. I make a guest appearance, but it's totally unrelated to their love affair, sadly!

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 03:13 AM
Oh, believe me, I have been getting much enjoyment out of that thread. Am surprised that you defended Scott, though. For a good enough reason, I suppose, as no one should be bashed for their sexual orientation, but still.

Seemed to be digging a hole in his own right.

Lee
02-20-2003, 03:15 AM
Hi thread! :wavey:

3 pages already!

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 03:17 AM
:wavey: Lee!

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 03:20 AM
Oh, believe me, I have been getting much enjoyment out of that thread. Am surprised that you defended Scott, though. For a good enough reason, I suppose, as no one should be bashed for their sexual orientation, but still.

Seemed to be digging a hole in his own right.

I understood Nan Cu's comments to be homophobic. I explained why in the thread, and am not going to go on about it any further until he comes forward and either corrects me or agrees with me. I'm curious what exactly it was that he meant if not refering to Scott being gay.

Regardless - I would have attacked those comments had they been said about somebody that I talk to, somebody that I have never talked to, somebody that I never would talk to, or in this case, somebody that I used to talk to. It's not important who they were said about, just that they were said.

I'm not going to get into the jerk comment, as that is a subjective remark from Nan Cu's point of view, and one that I am not concerned about. But I am concerned with homophobia.

I hope that answers your question ;)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 03:25 AM
Oh, I understand why you did it, and agree that it was a good reason. Considering the sister board to this one likes to call itself "the gay pickup bar of the internet" or something to that effect, it was a pretty shortsighted comment from a generally shortsighted poster.

Just found it interesting that you jumped to his defense, knowing what I do about your past.

And, just as a personal foible, this goes back to that whole "I like to speculate why people do things within the public realm" -- certainly a fascinating topic that gets a lot of mileage here. :D

Lee
02-20-2003, 03:31 AM
:sad: Guga and Sa lost their double match today which make Becca happy. At least I don't have any accident with my car today. *sigh*

I guess Sa probably forget his floral print tennis short today!

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 03:42 AM
LOL at those shorts. I still can't believe he wore them.

I wonder if he lost a bet or something.

lokon
02-20-2003, 03:44 AM
Hmph, I step away from the boards for a few hours and find the old thread retired (:sad:), and a new one started.....with 4 pages already :eek:

Then theres the whole discussion on literature which I feel totally ignorant in posting a message about :o . I fortunately majored in science and math and got through college without a semester's worth of english (hee!). Perhaps this is apparent in my postings ;) In any case, I enjoy reading more for the leisure than in-depth analysis, but that doesnt mean Im not interested in discussing other peoples perceptions on the book in question.

Ok Im starting to ramble....let me stop :)

VAMOS JUANQUI! ;):p

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 03:46 AM
Hey lokon. Don't feel silly posting about any topic in here ;)

And, just as a personal foible, this goes back to that whole "I like to speculate why people do things within the public realm" -- certainly a fascinating topic that gets a lot of mileage here.

Yes, I also find it interesting to speculate on why people do what they do, and why they are who they are, etc etc. Perhaps why I switched to pysch for the time being. It may just be a passing phase though...

Lee
02-20-2003, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL at those shorts. I still can't believe he wore them.

I wonder if he lost a bet or something.

That's what I was thinking when I saw the pic. But I think Brazilians are really fun loving people.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Yes, I also find it interesting to speculate on why people do what they do, and why they are who they are, etc etc. Perhaps why I switched to pysch for the time being. It may just be a passing phase though...

If you ever get the chance, take a class on adolescence. Very interesting stuff, a lot of which comes to life right here in front of your eyes :D

And please, don't feel stupid if we're talking about something you don't know much about. We can handle many conversations at once :) so feel free to just start talking about whatever ;)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 03:51 AM
Well, I mist bid you adieu.

Goodnight, thread! :wavey:

lokon
02-20-2003, 03:52 AM
Hehe, ok Ill keep that in mind. So who here likes stuff?! Oh and junk....stuff and junk, yeah I really like that stuff and junk ;)

lokon
02-20-2003, 03:53 AM
Night TH :wavey:

Lee
02-20-2003, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by lokon
Hmph, I step away from the boards for a few hours and find the old thread retired (:sad:), and a new one started.....with 4 pages already :eek:

Then theres the whole discussion on literature which I feel totally ignorant in posting a message about :o . I fortunately majored in science and math and got through college without a semester's worth of english (hee!). Perhaps this is apparent in my postings ;) In any case, I enjoy reading more for the leisure than in-depth analysis, but that doesnt mean Im not interested in discussing other peoples perceptions on the book in question.

Ok Im starting to ramble....let me stop :)

VAMOS JUANQUI! ;):p

I was terrified by English lit. when I was in junior high (grade7-9) in US and so happy when I could drop it after.

I enjoy reading but I hate in-depth analysis too so as you do, I major in science subjects. I was so glad when I need to write up user manuals and specifications, I could be very straight forward and say exactly I wanted to say in the simpliest form of English (or whatever language) :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 03:54 AM
What kind of stuff and junk? I collect junky stuff...

Lee
02-20-2003, 03:54 AM
Goodnite TH! :wavey:

lokon
02-20-2003, 03:57 AM
High-five Lee! :D *snort* *chortle* *adjusts pocket protector with calculator cover*

lol rebecca, Im now totally intrigued by this junky stuff you collect :)

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 03:58 AM
Lee - I didn't realize that you attended junior high in the states! English is your second language, right? I only ask because I understood that you were born in Asia? My, you are well travelled :)

Unrelated to you, but my rant just reminded me of a friend of mine in highschool, who took the summer school English course with me. She was originally from Cambodia, and moved to Canada when she was 12. I remember she used to complain about how she had to work SO hard and she still got docked a lot of marks, because her writing wasn't as advanced as it would have been for a native English speaker our age. But I'd always listen to the marks that she got back, and read her stories - she always did well above average! I found it to be very remarkable :)

Lee
02-20-2003, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by lokon
High-five Lee! :D *snort* *chortle* *adjusts pocket protector with calculator cover*

lol rebecca, Im now totally intrigued by this junky stuff you collect :)

LOL High-five and Low-five to you lokon!

Lee
02-20-2003, 04:04 AM
No, I don't attend school in US or Canada. I attended school in Hong Kong which follows British structure. So, junior high (in Canada) is the first 3 years in secondary school in Hong Kong. Elementary school in Canada is called primary school in Hong Kong which are both 6 years from G1-6. Secondary school lasts 5 years, like Emma is in her 5th year in secondary (correct me if I'm wrong Emma) and then another 2 years (called tertiary ?sp? school) which students will only concentrate on subjects they want to student in Uni. and Uni. usually takes 3 years to complete.

lokon
02-20-2003, 04:06 AM
Gracias lee :)

Well Im off, I have to get myself up early so I can hit the gym. :rolleyes: The things I do to convert this lanky body into some semblance of beefcakeyness :P

:wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 04:06 AM
Hong Kong, right right, that makes a lot more sense. When did you start learning English? I want to be fluent in another language, but it's hard to find the time! I was going to study Spanish but decided that was something that I would have to do on my own time - for various reasons.

I have a weak grasp on Spanish - enough that I could follow online tutorials and learn to write in Spanish. I learned French when I was in grades 4 through 10, so no matter how long I leave it I can still compose simple paragraphs in French. I do wish that I had never stopped taking it though.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 04:07 AM
lokon - good luck turning yourself into a beefcake :)

Lee
02-20-2003, 04:07 AM
Goodnight lokon!

Lee
02-20-2003, 04:14 AM
Because at that time, Hong Kong was still a colony of Britian, I learned English in Grade 1 (at that time, English was still the only official language there although 98% of the pop. have Cantonese, a dialect of Chinese, as their mother language).

I am not very good in languages. I am now pretty fluent in English because of the 14 years in Canada. When I first went to Canada, I had a hard time understanding what people were talking. For one, most of my English teachers have British accent and so was I. Also, I hardly spoke English other than dealing with my bosses in Hong Kong (there's another nightmare story). My reading and writing of the language was OK at that time but speaking and listening was very difficult for me.

Lee
02-20-2003, 04:18 AM
I think in order to learn a second language for most people, immersion is the best way. When I lived in Canada, even I never attend any class for French, I could pick up some French words here and there. Now, I lived in Phoenix with lots of Spanish speaking people around, I start picking up Spanish now. :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 04:27 AM
I am not very good in languages. I am now pretty fluent in English because of the 14 years in Canada. When I first went to Canada, I had a hard time understanding what people were talking. For one, most of my English teachers have British accent and so was I.

Apparently us Canadians have a nifty accent of our own, so I suppose that added some difficulties? ;)

Lee
02-20-2003, 04:34 AM
Nah! Now I totally lost my British accent and adopt the Canadian one. :D Actually, it's more American English being slightly different from British English that made my life difficult in the beginning. I took me awhile to know pants means trousers :D

Also, like American having different accents, Canadian have different accents too. I still have hard time listen to east coast Canadian and of course French Canadian.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 04:42 AM
Candians have different accents, but I think that there is more variety in the USA. It seems that way at least, and with 10 times as many people that would make sense.

There are a number of slightly different accents on the Canadian east coast. Some of them sound Scottish, others seem to be speaking their own language, one entirely different from English, heh...

French Canadians of course have nifty accents, due to English being their second language and all.

I'm not sure that there is much of a difference between Vancouver and Toronto though. I have a friend from Vancouver, and the only noticable difference between us is our use of slang. Since slang is regional, this made sense - but I found it curious that there was little to no difference in our accents. Perhaps Vancouver-ites think that Toronto people sound different?

Come to think of it, people from Toronto actually sound a little different from people in my home town, and they two are very close.

Canada also has it's share of "hick" accents - something that the Americans like to consider cute and call a "southern drawl" ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 04:44 AM
I would assume that the people who live far up north (I forget what the PC term is these days, but I'm speaking of those in Nunavit, the NW Territories, and Yukon) also have a variety of different accepts depending on where they are living. I would hope that some of the smaller communities still enforce teachings of their native tongue, which would lead to different pronounciations of English as well.

Lee
02-20-2003, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I would assume that the people who live far up north (I forget what the PC term is these days, but I'm speaking of those in Nunavit, the NW Territories, and Yukon) also have a variety of different accepts depending on where they are living. I would hope that some of the smaller communities still enforce teachings of their native tongue, which would lead to different pronounciations of English as well.

I really hope so cos that's what make Canada special, the multi-cultural environment.

Have an early morning meeting in church tomorrow, so, adios amigo. :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 05:00 AM
GOod night.

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by lokon
I fortunately majored in science and math and got through college without a semester's worth of english (hee!).

Hee! Hee! :)

Exactly the same for me... I did computer programming, physics, chem and math in my freshman year and absolutely nothing but chem and math for the rest of my first degree. Certainly made it easy for me, but I sometimes wish I was forced to do, say, a foreign language while I was an undergraduate.

I moved on campus in my final undergraduate year and that year, I was friends with my RA... one day, he asked me exactly how many essays I had written since I entered uni, and I replied, 'Zero. Why?' His response was 'thanks, that's exactly what I needed to hear!' Apparently, the on-campus powers that be were planning to hold a compulsory essay-writing workshop, and he was arguing against the fact that it was going to be compulsory. :p

I enjoyed English and Eng. Lit in high school though, had a great teacher.... I was so into it I even wrote poetry for fun. :o :o Thankfully, there are no known surviving copies of said poems...I hope anyway. :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 06:05 AM
Got my driver's licence renewed :D... it's now valid till 2013 :o.... amazing... I actually haven't been in a driver's seat since I passed my licence test way back in May 99..... Victorian road users should be very, very afraid. :p

My employment arrangements have changed slightly... instead of just doing the tutorial classes, I am now officially in charge of one subject on this campus, and I'll have to do lecture notes etc. which I have to start immediately since classes start in like 2 weeks :o It's great, I'll be paid more but it's a lot of responsibility, and I'm going to be really tied up the next couple of weeks cos I have my PR visa stuff to take care of as well... blah. My student days are well and truly over... the end of an era. I'll have to act like an adult! :eek: Oh well... at least I *finally* get to move into an office with *WINDOWS*! OMG! :p :p

Vera
02-20-2003, 06:16 AM
Hi Allan :wavey:

Congrats to your new work arrangement, sounds like a promotion :). Window office :eek:, that's definitely a promotion :).

Vera
02-20-2003, 06:21 AM
Literature and language talks, I don't feel stupid but I do feel a little dry on the cultural side these days. I actually quite enjoyed my days when I had to write essay after essay for class works and exams. Now I only got to write plans, how boring that can be.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 06:22 AM
I used to write poetry for fun too! I even read one of my poems aloud at the Rememberance day Assembly when I was in Grade 8. I was pretty talented for a 14 year old, if I do say so myself.

There are some old poems of mine floating around somewhere, but I'll let them remain burried. They were all very depressing, as they were written during a very turmoil time in my life :)

Vera
02-20-2003, 06:24 AM
Don't think I'll stay up for score tonite but will probably pop up to check the score in the middle of the night if I happen to wake up.
So I hope Juanqui will do well in his match against Bjorkman so I can feel go about it and get back to sleep.

Vamos Juanqui Vamos.:bounce:

Good night :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 06:31 AM
:wavey: Vera and Becca! :)

Well it's kinda nice to finally have windows... LOL my existing office got a bit stuffy at times...a previous occupant had left a landscape poster up there and I kept it up and called it my virtual window. :p Then my boss moved one of his extra filing cabinets into my office and blocked it. :(

My poetry wasn't poignant or troubling etc. etc... just plain corny/dumb... I wrote this two page thing about a black pig mating with a white pig in China and managed to drag in things like dominant and recessive genes ....of course, the black pig was troubled because all of their offspring was white, and killed himself in a fit of angst before he could have ever found out that the recessive black gene appeared in his grandkids in abundance.... etc. .... the meter and rhyme were consistent etc. ugh.. everything about it just reeked of 'geek'. :p

Mrs. B
02-20-2003, 08:43 AM
Alrighty! I wake up and you guys are already making a long trail on the sequel! :D Gracias, Becca!

Not that i have any great intellectual input into this thread, but it's hopefully faster now to have access here and read over your posts. :o

maratski
02-20-2003, 08:58 AM
:wavey: Good morning new thread.

There was a lot of catching up to do. I'm not really into literature and don't know much about the various accents English has so I won't add anything to it.
I do like languages however. I study International Business and Languages. I have Dutch, English, French and Spanish classes. At home I usually speak Arab (unfortunately I can't read it) and I know a few words in German. That's like my least fave language. We have to do roleplays or presentations in all languages and that's always funny.

Thanks for the pic of JC and Anna. I also liked the pics of Dubai. I like their traditional outfits and the jewelry.

Jc is playing in a few minutes time. I'm off to watch the SB. I think he can win in straight sets.

Layla
02-20-2003, 09:08 AM
Morning folks! :wavey:

Juanqui's match is about to start so I need to hurry.

VAMOS JUANQUI! http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/blob_red.gif http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/blob_red.gif http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/blob_red.gif

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Layla
02-20-2003, 09:13 AM
Allan, congrats on your promotion! :D I hope you will still find time to come in here and chat with us.

It's a shame your poems no longer exist. :( I kept mine even though they are crap, not to mention deppressing. But they are part of me and a reminder of who I was at the time. Now I'm quite fond of the silly buggers.

Mrs. B
02-20-2003, 09:15 AM
I love literature and languages but they don't love me. :(

My first exposure to the English language was through Catholic Irish priests & sisters that ran our school in the south of the Philippines. Loved their accents. They opened up the world to me. And of course, i learned how to speak English trying to mimic a US accent from all those films i saw while growing up in my small, nondescript town. Sometimes i'd mimic the British accent. I can speak English with a French accent if i'm talking to a French person!
I've lived here now for 14 years but i can't speak German fluently and i still have a horrible grammar (i've studied it altogether for only a year), i've picked up Swiss German cuz that's what they speak here, my English has deteriorated altho i'm picking it up again thanks to this site, i can write again in English. I'd love to learn French! Just glad i haven't lost my mother tongue.

Bonjour, Ilhame! Dubro Jutro, Layla! :wavey:

Mrs. B
02-20-2003, 09:18 AM
and Congrats to Allan!!! :D

btw., found out my name in Elvish...Cuile. ;)

and good luck to Juanqui today! :bounce:

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 09:31 AM
My poetry wasn't poignant or troubling etc. etc... just plain corny/dumb... I wrote this two page thing about a black pig mating with a white pig in China and managed to drag in things like dominant and recessive genes ....of course, the black pig was troubled because all of their offspring was white, and killed himself in a fit of angst before he could have ever found out that the recessive black gene appeared in his grandkids in abundance.... etc. .... the meter and rhyme were consistent etc. ugh.. everything about it just reeked of 'geek'


*wipes away a tear* That was touchy Dr Peedy, write another one !

Layla
02-20-2003, 09:34 AM
Dobro jutro Mrs. B! :wavey:

Your English is brilliant so I don't believe it's deteriorating. :)

LOL, I'm the same way, my accent often varies depending on who I'm talking to.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 10:19 AM
Touchy? No, no, no! It was TOUCHING, not touchy. Lord, I'm awful.

maratski
02-20-2003, 10:27 AM
Hi Becca :wavey:

Isn't it very early in Toronto?

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 11:17 AM
Yes, it's only quarter after seven now. I haven't slept :(

Layla
02-20-2003, 11:20 AM
JUNAQUI WON!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

He's in the quarters. :) Eglerio! ;)

maratski
02-20-2003, 11:23 AM
poor becca

But glad he won :bounce:
That must make your days even though it's early

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 11:34 AM
Well I don't go to my fathers until 4, so I have lots of time to sleep.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 11:34 AM
So this makes him 12-2 on the year?

maratski
02-20-2003, 11:38 AM
yes

It's a good record.

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 11:40 AM
There is a poster named "supersafin". Hilarious! Who knew?!

vaiva
02-20-2003, 11:41 AM
You guys are fast :eek:

Good morning, day or whatever and wherever it is :wavey:

I've got 3 pages to catch and no time at all and at this rate by the time I'm ready to do some reading I might face double that number :o

So I just say have a nice day or a sound sleep and see you later ;)

iki (it's not related to kiki, it's to say see you later in Lithuanian :) )

maratski
02-20-2003, 12:01 PM
I've seen that poster before becca. But marat is indeed supersafin.

Layla
02-20-2003, 12:01 PM
Hi Vaiva! :wavey:

iki, now that's nice and concise.

iki! :wavey:

maratski
02-20-2003, 12:01 PM
Hi Vaiva :wavey

Bye :wavey:

I actually have work to do :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-20-2003, 12:15 PM
elu Vaiva! That's now we say good bye in my hometown. No word of a lie.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 01:16 PM
:wavey: Morning, thread!

LOL, once again, lots of reading and very little time to post -- I'll have to come back for that ;) Just wanted to say congrats to Juan Carlos! :) What was the score? Jonas is no pushover indoors, either. I really, really like the way he's started the year!! 12-2 :eek:

maratski
02-20-2003, 01:28 PM
3-6 6-4 6-1

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 01:29 PM
He's in the quarters. :) Eglerio! ;)

Eglerio! :D :bounce: So nice to see the use of Elvish spreading! ;) If I have time this weekend, I'll see if I can come up with some Elvish adaptations for cheering during matches! ;)

Originally posted by Mrs. B
and Congrats to Allan!!! :D

btw., found out my name in Elvish...Cuile. ;)


Thank you (le hannon), Cuile! :)

Originally posted by Layla
It's a shame your poems no longer exist. :( I kept mine even though they are crap, not to mention deppressing. But they are part of me and a reminder of who I was at the time. Now I'm quite fond of the silly buggers.

Now I am curious as to what I wrote exactly....My former biology and english teachers may still have the pig one... or maybe not... it's been nearly 10 years since I left that school :eek: Looking up the teachers will also be very hard...I don't know all the details because I was still very young at the time, but my father had an extremely acrimonious fight with the principal, and I left under a cloud.... so it's not like as if I can write back to the school and go, 'Hi! Remember me? I'm looking for Miss So and So...'

maratski
02-20-2003, 02:13 PM
Nieminen lost to Sluiter in 3 sets.

Sluiter faces Ferrero in the quarters. I don't know their head to head, but Sluiter beat JC in DC 2001.

lokon
02-20-2003, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Exactly the same for me... I did computer programming, physics, chem and math in my freshman year and absolutely nothing but chem and math for the rest of my first degree. Certainly made it easy for me, but I sometimes wish I was forced to do, say, a foreign language while I was an undergraduate.

Go us DP! :D I had absolutely no problems churning out wonderfully written reports on methanol/water separation, or the mechanical properties of a fluidized bed, but give me an assignment to analyze the thought process of Jane Eyre and Im looking dumber than Joe Millionaire ;) I did however take a years worth of italian at college so I wasnt totally averse to the humanities. :)

Congrats to JUANQUI on the win! :bounce:

kiro
02-20-2003, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Ilhame
Nieminen lost to Sluiter in 3 sets.

Sluiter faces Ferrero in the quarters. I don't know their head to head, but Sluiter beat JC in DC 2001.

Their head to head is Sluiter 1-0, i.e. the DC match in the Nethelands in 2001, which Sluiter won 6-7, 7-6, 3-6, 7-6, 6-4. It's on carpet.

So it's time for revenge...
Vamos Juan Carlos :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 04:17 PM
:) Hi all!

Lovely sunny warm day today and I'm in a sunny disposition w Juanqui, Max and Rogi winning their matches!! Sorry about Jarkko, Hackie [tried to post a pic but said it was too big???]. Cheering for Marat now -- DAVAI!!!

Go, Rogi and Max vs. my Spaniards Alex and Albert [kinda want Alex to win a match though... this is a tough one! want Rogi/Max to win too!!! :rolleyes: ]

Is Escude playing yet? Might be an all-Frenchie QF?? That w be a good match! ;) And go, Rogi, vs. Schalken [a tough one w the Dutch fans again]!:D

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:01 PM
Poor Jarkko :( He fought, but damn that Sluiter :mad: I'm really starting to hate him.

Juanqui better get some revenge :D

Do you mean this picture, RF?

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Nah! Now I totally lost my British accent and adopt the Canadian one. :D Actually, it's more American English being slightly different from British English that made my life difficult in the beginning. I took me awhile to know pants means trousers :D

This is the problem my current Russian professor has. She learned British English, which is different from American English, but she doesn't like to admit it. Sometimes when she's trying to explain things we don't understand what she's talking about and when we try to correct her she's like, no no, that's not right :rolleyes:

Needless to say, none of us like her very much.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Exactly the same for me... I did computer programming, physics, chem and math in my freshman year and absolutely nothing but chem and math for the rest of my first degree. Certainly made it easy for me, but I sometimes wish I was forced to do, say, a foreign language while I was an undergraduate.

That was the new rule implemented when I matriculated. We are the first class with foreign language as a basic requirement. For some reason, a lot of people chose to take Latin :eek:


I moved on campus in my final undergraduate year and that year, I was friends with my RA... one day, he asked me exactly how many essays I had written since I entered uni, and I replied, 'Zero. Why?' His response was 'thanks, that's exactly what I needed to hear!' Apparently, the on-campus powers that be were planning to hold a compulsory essay-writing workshop, and he was arguing against the fact that it was going to be compulsory. :p

Pfft, if its a large university I'm sure people would skip it anyway.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
My student days are well and truly over... the end of an era. I'll have to act like an adult! :eek: Oh well... at least I *finally* get to move into an office with *WINDOWS*! OMG! :p :p

Aww, now, don't feel like being an adult is the end of the world -- we all have to do it eventually. And you can still be a kid when you're not at work :p

An office with windows?! My my, didn't know they valued you THAT much! :D LOL at your "virtual window" in your previous office.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I wrote this two page thing about a black pig mating with a white pig in China and managed to drag in things like dominant and recessive genes ....of course, the black pig was troubled because all of their offspring was white, and killed himself in a fit of angst before he could have ever found out that the recessive black gene appeared in his grandkids in abundance.... etc. .... the meter and rhyme were consistent etc. ugh.. everything about it just reeked of 'geek'. :p

I'm sorry, but LMAO!! Too funny!

But seriously, poetry is poetry. You managed to get something that was written in meter and rhyme. That's more than I've ever accomplished. I've never had a hand for poetry, except the occasional free verse kind, but that feels like cheating :o

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
I've lived here now for 14 years but i can't speak German fluently and i still have a horrible grammar (i've studied it altogether for only a year), i've picked up Swiss German cuz that's what they speak here, my English has deteriorated altho i'm picking it up again thanks to this site, i can write again in English. I'd love to learn French! Just glad i haven't lost my mother tongue.

Ditto on the grammar for me -- it's the only think holding my Russian back, but with an uninspiring teacher and a workload that could break my back anyway, I guess its fallen on the back burner.

Language is becoming more and more of an interest for me. I am still fascinated by bilingual people and language development in and of itself. I don't think it would be possible to lose one's mother tongue unless in extenuating circumstances (like you left the country/language as a very young child). If you've had those crucial practice years and it has become an automatic process, I don't think you could ever lose it.

You kid yourself about your English skills -- you have great English!! You type very, very well, and though I can't remember when we first met :o I'm sure I thought you were a native speaker. I thought that way about a lot of you guys who actually have English as your second language. So you are all very impressive, LOL! ;)

My compliments probably extend on to your other acquired languages, but I don't know them so I couldn't judge you reasonably ;)

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 05:33 PM
Articles from today's matches :)

Though Jarkko lost, he could very well have made Juan Carlos's job easier :D:

Sluiter to make his first quarter-final appearance

Raemon Sluiter has reached the quarter-finals of the ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament for the first time ever. Spurred on by the home crowd, the Dutchman beat Jarkko Nieminen 7-6 (7), 2-6 6-3. "It was mentally and physically exhausting" said Sluiter afterwards, looking a little the worse for wear.

The first game of the third set proved crucial: "that was the turning point. I had just lost the second set and needed to get back into the match. I think it took 12 minutes to win the game. Although it gave me a huge boost, it seemed to affect Jarkko quite badly."

His victory also eased the pressure he was under. Having been born and bred in Rotterdam, he realises only too well that the home crowd expects him to perform. "Although the pressure isn’t unbearable, it is different to playing in Marseille, where few people pay attention when I am on court. I have no option but to focus on my game now. Usually I like to chat to people after I have finished playing. But here in Rotterdam, I disappear into a dark cellar to play a game of snooker."

Sluiter next plays number one seed Juan-Carlos Ferrero. Two years ago, Sluiter managed to beat the Spaniard during their Davis Cup encounter: "my advantage is that I know I can beat him. And there is still room to improve my game."

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Ferrero’s fighting spirit breaks Björkman’s strength

Juan-Carlos Ferrero showed a lot of character during this afternoon’s encounter with Jonas Björkman. The Spanish number one seed certainly had his work cut out for him against the Swede, who is in good form after reaching the final in Marseille. Having lost the opening set, Ferrero fought back to win 3-6, 6-4, 6-1.

The Spaniard had a difficult first set. He immediately lost his service and was unable to make up the deficit, losing 6-3. Ferrero nonetheless managed to turn the tables during the second set, taking a 5-2 lead. Although Björkman fought back to 5-4, the tournament favourite regained control and took the set 6-4. Having levelled the match, Ferrero appeared to have broken Björkman’s defences. He soon took a 5-0 lead in the third and final set, which he won 6-1.

"I am playing well at the moment and feel confident" explained Ferrero. "It was difficult to play Jonas Björkman in the first round. He is also in form and because he plays service/volley he was able to exert pressure during my service games. I started playing better as the match progressed, and managed to take the second set". But not before Björkman and Ferrero each lost their service. "Having drawn the match level, Jonas appeared to lose confidence, which allowed me to take the third set with relative ease."

Juan-Carlos Ferrero plays Raemon Sluiter during the quarter finals.

ILR
02-20-2003, 05:46 PM
:wavey:

yes Lee Iam in the 5th year at high school:)

Juanqui and Rogi won :D bagel :eek: :D and so did I :) I hammered my brother 7-5 6-3 in our tennis match at our local gym this afternoon ;)

lokon
02-20-2003, 06:05 PM
Thanks TH for the articles, they are short and sweet. Also, dont be hating on Raemon ;) Im happy he made it to the qfs and posting what might be his best year so far.

And look.....Alex has cracked into the top 100!! :bounce:

ILR
02-20-2003, 06:06 PM
dont know how long I can be because Liverpool are playing tonight :D and my mum thinks I spend way too long on here especially at night so shes trying to get me to cut down :( But shes not in at the moment :p

ILR
02-20-2003, 06:21 PM
actually Id better go now because my folks are due back anytime!Will try and come back later!:wavey:

Lee
02-20-2003, 06:36 PM
Hi thread! :wavey:

Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Got my driver's licence renewed :D... it's now valid till 2013 :o.... amazing... I actually haven't been in a driver's seat since I passed my licence test way back in May 99..... Victorian road users should be very, very afraid. :p

My employment arrangements have changed slightly... instead of just doing the tutorial classes, I am now officially in charge of one subject on this campus, and I'll have to do lecture notes etc. which I have to start immediately since classes start in like 2 weeks :o It's great, I'll be paid more but it's a lot of responsibility, and I'm going to be really tied up the next couple of weeks cos I have my PR visa stuff to take care of as well... blah. My student days are well and truly over... the end of an era. I'll have to act like an adult! :eek: Oh well... at least I *finally* get to move into an office with *WINDOWS*! OMG! :p :p

Congrat on your new work arrangement and WOW, an office with WINDOWS!!!!!!

lokon
02-20-2003, 06:40 PM
bye ILR :wavey:

Hey Lee :wavey:

lokon
02-20-2003, 06:42 PM
Bah! Im bored at work, I wish my cube had a window :p

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 06:42 PM
Wow, lots of people have been congratulating me over the windows...thanks...is it really a big deal? I didn't mean to sound like I was bragging... before I started work in the math department I never knew offices *without* windows existed at all and so I always found it SO funny when I got one and had to use the poster as a virtual window... and a few months later I found a humorous article telling students how to score the 'importance' of their professors / tutors based on what their office looks like: the higher the score, the more important the person.... at the very end of the test was: "if the office has no windows, multiply the score by -1". So I always found it funny.

Lee
02-20-2003, 06:51 PM
Hi lokon and Allan! :wavey:

Yes, Allan, it means a lot to have a room with windows. Don't you notice all those BIG bosses have corner offices with window on two sides or have the prettiest view?

Lee
02-20-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by lokon
Bah! Im bored at work, I wish my cube had a window :p

Do you have the kind of cube like in Dilbert? btw, Allan, have you every read a comic strip/book called Dilbert?

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 06:55 PM
Oh... well... I don't get windows on two sides.... actually the majority of the offices where I am do have windows... I guess the campus I'm on is kinda in the middle of nowhere, and they have a LOT of space so maybe they can build in a way that gives more people windows LOL.... but all along I was basically joking, because my old office was little better than a storeroom, over the years retiring academics would dump their unwanted books in there, so I'm surrounded by shelves of things like issues of the Australian Journal of Statistics from the 1960s :o

lokon
02-20-2003, 06:55 PM
Unfortunately, yeah...although its not too bad. Its a larger than normal cube and in a rather secluded area, so I can feign working rather easily. :) :angel:

lokon
02-20-2003, 06:58 PM
lol DP, some of my profs were in similar situations, but these were the people that the university just wanted to get rid of, but didnt want to outright fire.

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 06:58 PM
I've seen the odd Dilbert comic in the newspaper when I was younger... but not recently... I get my news from the net, so I don't subscribe to a newspaper. :o :p (Yeah, I'm still living like a broke student ... and will till I get my first few paychecks!)

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:02 PM
Morning guys :wavey:

Gloomy day, lots of rain. Well, it's okay, not planning to go out anyway!

Congrats to Juanqui for his win :D. And Becca's even more creative in her insomniac stage. LOL @ Fat Ferrero and SuperMarat :D.

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by lokon
lol DP, some of my profs were in similar situations, but these were the people that the university just wanted to get rid of, but didnt want to outright fire.

Ah yes... my uni went through one of those huge culling phases just as I was starting grad school...the math department lost close to half its faculty members (most of them weren't fired outright... but just, like as you said, downgraded to 'school associate' type positions and given next to nothing)....but the cycle seems to be swinging back... there are rumors of upcoming faculty appointments later this year...so I have to get into gear and get a good teaching review this semester and publish something so I can throw my hat into the ring...

Puss-in-Boots
02-20-2003, 07:05 PM
:wavey: Vera! :)

Anyway, I have to go and get back to finishing this report... person I'm writing it for is getting impatient... :o :o blah.

:wavey: thread!

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:05 PM
Lokon, who's in your avatar? I think I've asked you before, but the question was lost somewhere in the 1600ish page in the old thread.

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:06 PM
When I was still in consulting business, I needed to work in customer's office and I had work in all kinds of unthinkable environment. Once, I worked for almost a year in a storage room with 2 other guys in our customer's office.

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:06 PM
Bye Allan :wavey:

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:07 PM
Ah, my old job, I had a window office overseeing Stanley Park. Good old days :( !

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:08 PM
Hi Vera and Bye Allan!

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Ah, my old job, I had a window office overseeing Stanley Park. Good old days :( !

WOW!

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:09 PM
Hi Vera :wavey:

DP - Just prove Golbach's Conjecture, or Fermat's last theorem (has this actually been proven?) and I think you'll be a shoe-in for the promotion ;)

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:12 PM
A window overseeing a park!? :eek: Thats a dream :)

<---- That is Alexander Waske of Germany. He plays a lot of challenger events and just last week won the title in Lubeck :)

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:14 PM
Theorem :eek: lokon, I left all in school once I graduated and lived in the real world of business.

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:16 PM
Hehe Lee I havent used any advanced math since I graduated either, but since DP works in acadaemia, I figured those projects would be good for a paper or two :)

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by lokon
A window overseeing a park!? :eek: Thats a dream :)


Not just a park, lokon, it's one of those most beautiful parks!

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by Lee
WOW!

Incredible view, eh! I always found myself staring at the view.

We were on the 18th floor and my office is higher than lots of building around us and at edge of downtown next to the residential part. You won't believe what me and my male colleague got to see in our shared office. Once a lady on the roof on the next building was having a nice time sunbathing. And my colleague turned to me and asked me if I saw what he saw, (that woman was naked). He bought his binocular to work the next 2 days, it's funny.

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:18 PM
off topic, if one more person say how cute Jaden is in the ATP father thread, I will start disliking a 14 months baby boy without every really seeing him.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Wow, lots of people have been congratulating me over the windows...thanks...is it really a big deal? I didn't mean to sound like I was bragging... before I started work in the math department I never knew offices *without* windows existed at all and so I always found it SO funny when I got one and had to use the poster as a virtual window... and a few months later I found a humorous article telling students how to score the 'importance' of their professors / tutors based on what their office looks like: the higher the score, the more important the person.... at the very end of the test was: "if the office has no windows, multiply the score by -1". So I always found it funny.

LOL, the American workspace has been taken over by cubicles, so it goes something like this:

cube
corner cube
office
office with window
corner office

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Not just a park, lokon, it's one of those most beautiful parks!

Oh Vera how could you have forsaken such prime office real estate? Theyd need a crowbar to get me to move out of a space with a view like that :)

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Lee
off topic, if one more people say how cute Jaden is in the ATP father thread, I will start disliking a 14 months baby boy without every really seeing him.


lol Lee!

Hi all!!

Is Marat playing yet?? How's he doing? And Escude? Did he win?
Doubles anyone??

Funny posts re: office windows! Yep, a BIG DEAL here too!! And an office with real walls and a door that locks -- only for the bigwigs!!:p

Otherwise, for the worker bees, you end up knowing more than you want to about everyone around you!!!

lol Vera's view too! ;)

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:23 PM
Jaden is quite xxxx though, with an extra large head full of golden lock Ahole can only dream to have. I hate his long hair in the old day as much as his no hair nowadays.

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL, the American workspace has been taken over by cubicles, so it goes something like this:

cube
corner cube
office
office with window
corner office

Yeah TH those rankings sound about right :D Although where I work we have half cubes where you basically get two walls and the next person is right beside you. Im glad I dont work over there! :p

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Lee
off topic, if one more person say how cute Jaden is in the ATP father thread, I will start disliking a 14 months baby boy without every really seeing him.

Ugh, I totally agree *gag*. Andre is SO ugly that not even Steffi's looks could make that kid anywhere near cute :o

Poor ILR -- someone else has noticed your addiction and is trying to make you cut back. That's a shame :( LOL, well maybe not, but it sounds like you have plenty of other activities to balance out this place. :rolleyes: Congrats on your win also, by the way!

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by lokon
Oh Vera how could you have forsaken such prime office real estate? Theyd need a crowbar to get me to move out of a space with a view like that :)

It's actually my choice to pick the one-sided window office over a corner office with 2 sided windows. But I can't stand that woman who would have shared the corner office with me.

Well, there's a lot of downtown offices with beautiful views in Vancouver. And my ex-company was one of those big-fat overvalued highflying high tech company that was able to afford good office space at that time, until they went kaput. So it's not my choice to desert the office I once occupied.

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Ugh, I totally agree *gag*. Andre is SO ugly that not even Steffi's looks could make that kid anywhere near cute :o

Poor ILR -- someone else has noticed your addiction and is trying to make you cut back. That's a shame :( LOL, well maybe not, but it sounds like you have plenty of other activities to balance out this place. :rolleyes: Congrats on your win also, by the way!

Hackie, it said in that tennis mag [w rogi] that tennis channel will be showing the clay tournaments this year!! Is that true? You mean that if you don't have that channel, you won't get to see them [Monte Carlo, Roma, Hamburg... any others? not RG]????

That is CRAP!!!

:rolleyes: It's blackmail...:p

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:37 PM
Talking about cubicles

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Hackie, it said in that tennis mag [w rogi] that tennis channel will be showing the clay tournaments this year!! Is that true? You mean that if you don't have that channel, you won't get to see them [Monte Carlo, Roma, Hamburg... any others? not RG]????

That is CRAP!!!

:rolleyes: It's blackmail...:p

I don't think so, I think ESPN will still show whatever TMSes it still has the rights to . . . hopefully its a shared deal because the Tennis Channel not only isn't around yet, but when it does come around it won't serve nearly as many people as ESPN.

TennisHack
02-20-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Talking about cubicles

Those look like nice, spacious, interesting cubicles. Although the fish might be annoying after awhile ;)

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Vera
It's actually my choice to pick the one-sided window office over a corner office with 2 sided windows. But I can't stand that woman who would have shared the corner office with me.

Well, there's a lot of downtown offices with beautiful views in Vancouver. And my ex-company was one of those big-fat overvalued highflying high tech company that was able to afford good office space at that time, until they went kaput. So it's not my choice to desert the office I once occupied.

Ahh gotcha, if you have to share the office its probably better to make sure you can get along with whoever is in there with you. :)

Lee - :eek: Id never be able to surf the internet as much as I do now, if I were in that situation. Let me give my 3 1/2 walls hugs :p

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 07:43 PM
:) thanks hackie and yes, that was the pic... don't know why it didn't let me post it! good thing re: tourneys on tv... i got worried there for a moment!

lee, what an office! where is it? or is it not REAL... aquarium dividers? wow!

most offices i've been in are really dull, boring, utilitarian, w minimal facilities [and these are big institutions! w lots o money for the ceo, etc.]

;)

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:46 PM
Honestly, I still doubt the pic is real or it's a creation of excellent computer graphic, overlaying, etc, etc. But, I don't think I can work like that, sort of "in a fish tank". I would rather retreat back to that storage room with file cabinets and 2 guys and no window.

Lee
02-20-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan

most offices i've been in are really dull, boring, utilitarian, w minimal facilities [and these are big institutions! w lots o money for the ceo, etc.]

;)

I think especially big institutions.

Many years ago, I read an article about IBM's sales office in the suburb of New York City. In order to saved money and made best use of office space, IBM bought/rented a warehouse in the outskirt of NYC and put in desks. Since all its employees had laptop computers and hardly stayed in the office, so, instead of each had a desk of their own, they were assigned a desk whenever they were in office.

Vera
02-20-2003, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by lokon
Ahh gotcha, if you have to share the office its probably better to make sure you can get along with whoever is in there with you. :)


Forgot to mention that the guy I shared my office with is a really cute guy and single. But then he's Greek descent and you know what that means, he must not be too amazed by "the Great Fat Greek Wedding", since a greek guy probably don't share the same fate as a greek gal.

lokon
02-20-2003, 07:59 PM
Its true, I work for a Fortune-500 company and everything (walls,carpet, chairs) is in a grey/cream shade. I guess they dont want to offend anyone with loud colors :)

lokon
02-20-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Forgot to mention that the guy I shared my office with is a really cute guy and single. But then he's Greek descent and you know what that means, he must not be too amazed by "the Great Fat Greek Wedding", since a greek guy probably don't share the same fate as a greek gal.

:confused: Actually Im not sure what that means, hehe. I didnt see 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'. Fill me in on the underlying characterization of greek men :)

Lee
02-20-2003, 08:06 PM
:eek: James lost the 1st set tie break to a guy I never heard of :eek: and now the guy have a match point on James serve.

Lee
02-20-2003, 08:07 PM
James lost 6-7 5-7 :sad:

Lee
02-20-2003, 08:08 PM
James was up 40-0 on the last game and then lost 5 straight points in that game. :fiery:

Vera
02-20-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by lokon
:confused: Actually Im not sure what that means, hehe. I didnt see 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'. Fill me in on the underlying characterization of greek men :)

Well, Greek are supposed to marry only Greek. And in Big Fat Greek Wedding, the parents fretted out when their daughter met a non-Greek. But of course the happy ending is that they managed to get marry and be happy ever after.

My Greek friend is in a typical Greek family and he is a Canadian born but with very typical Greek mind and he told me that he's not allowed to marry non-Greek. But he also told me that he only want to meet a beautiful Greek girl, get married and starts producing kids, just like a typical Greek guy in that movie.

lokon
02-20-2003, 08:17 PM
Vera - ahhh I see, well Im sure your powers of seduction will win him over and make him cast off the shackles of cultural bias. :)

Lee - poor james. :sad: But Irakli did take out agassi in shanghai two years ago. He should have won this match though. :(

Vera
02-20-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by lokon
Vera - ahhh I see, well Im sure your powers of seduction will win him over and make him cast off the shackles of cultural bias. :)


lol. I wish, but I proved to have no such skill whatsoever.

BTW, so is it your first time to go to IW? Or not?

Lee
02-20-2003, 08:31 PM
Have to pic up Vince so Bye everyone! :wavey:

lokon
02-20-2003, 08:32 PM
Hehe, Im actually going to Key Biscayne, and yeah it will be the first time Ive gone, and the first tennis tourney Ill have ever attended! Should be exciting seeing as Im going to take a half day that first monday to go watch some qualifying matches, and head out every evening after work and that entire weekend.

lokon
02-20-2003, 08:32 PM
Bye Lee :wavey:

Vera
02-20-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by lokon
Hehe, Im actually going to Key Biscayne, and yeah it will be the first time Ive gone, and the first tennis tourney Ill have ever attended! Should be exciting seeing as Im going to take a half day that first monday to go watch some qualifying matches, and head out every evening after work and that entire weekend.

Sorry, I mean Miami. I remembered it's one of the 2 TMS but I can't remember which one. Well, that's very exciting. I wish I can go. I think the cheapest one for me is to go to IW, the cheapest airfare at least. It would be nice to also go visit San Diego. But Juanqui doesn't do well in IW. Maybe he'll improve this year and I'll go when he's in a position to be the favorite there, hopefully soon.

Bye Lee.

Vera
02-20-2003, 08:52 PM
Safin's match begins. Tough one to root for cos I like them both, but I'm leaning toward Marat. And 2 Frenchmen tomorrow, I like both. But Seb's always comes first.

There's another discrepancy in scoreboard, some said Mantilla def. Gonzo (walkover), but Yahoo has Gonzo def. Mantilla. So who's the default one?

ILR
02-20-2003, 08:52 PM
:wavey:

Hackie,its such a shame Im an addict ;):o and Im really happy :D because Liverpool have just won 1-0 away from home and you'll never guess who scored the winner!:p:D

Vera
02-20-2003, 08:53 PM
Anywayzz, got to concentrate on the other things I'm doing. So bye guys :wavey: chat later.

Vera
02-20-2003, 08:54 PM
Oooooooooops, Emma's here. Sorry gal, I had to go but it's not you, I swear, I just need to get something done.

So have a good one, cheers :wavey:

ILR
02-20-2003, 08:54 PM
awww everyones leaving again :( bye all :wavey:

ILR
02-20-2003, 08:55 PM
its OK Vera ;) btw Ill give you a clue as to who scored winner,the first ever goal in France scored by Liverpool.Hes Finnish!:D

lokon
02-20-2003, 08:55 PM
bye vera, I have to get going also. :wavey:

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Safin's match begins. Tough one to root for cos I like them both, but I'm leaning toward Marat. And 2 Frenchmen tomorrow, I like both. But Seb's always comes first.

There's another discrepancy in scoreboard, some said Mantilla def. Gonzo (walkover), but Yahoo has Gonzo def. Mantilla. So who's the default one?

Probably Gonzo didn't play because I think he had an eye injury in his last match or sth... OK, vamos, Felix!

Bye Vera! hi ILR! I have to go too! [ILR, I just bought my tennis mag w Rogi on the cover!! Yum! :drool: Nice pic of Marat too!]

Sjengster
02-20-2003, 08:59 PM
Yep, Mantilla got the walkover and is now playing Kuerten... in times gone past this sort of match would have been as good as a walkover for Guga, but Mantilla's certainly started the year well with that 4th round at the AO - hell, he should have been in the quarters really.

Still disappointed that Richie Rich couldn't pull off the win over Escude, but there's still hope for a new champion; if Grosjean doesn't get him tomorrow, Ferrero or Sluiter have an equal chance on Saturday.

ILR
02-20-2003, 09:02 PM
oh pffft RF rubbing it in :p omg what have I done!Everyone is going!;)

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
oh pffft RF rubbing it in :p omg what have I done!Everyone is going!;)

Sorry, ILR! I didn't mean to rub it in... but at least Hackie transcribed the article and posted her piccies!

Sjengster: Escude is not on your "bad luck" list! But he is this week, right?

BTW, Marat won the 1st set 64!!! Woo ... ! [if he wins the 2nd, I'll add the "hoo"!] ;)

ILR
02-20-2003, 09:06 PM
no probs ;) yeah thankfully Hackie did post it :D so at least I did get to see it!

Sjengster
02-20-2003, 09:09 PM
Well, every year now when it comes to Rotterdam Escude is on my bad luck list - the two years he won there he beat Roger and Tim both times, so that hardly put him in my good books.

In fact, it was only last year that I actually changed my mind and decided I liked him, because would you believe it I was annoyed at him being Hewitt twice in 2001 in big five-setters on grass (I preferred Hewitt back then, you see, now it's all switched round). I was particularly hacked off about the Davis Cup final and the Aussies losing, for Rafter's sake more than Hewitt's...

It was only when I saw his match against Sampras at last year's AO that I became a fan - six match points saved before eventually he lost 6-3 in the fifth, and when you consider that he'd saved two match points the previous round you only have to admire him.

(I'm beginning to reconsider about my signature, by the way - a lot of people have commented on it and I suppose it seems a little odd to wish people "bad fortune", but there were honestly only a few players that that could really apply to. I might scrub that bit, but having said that, I'll still reserve a special place for the X-Man. :) )

RogiFan
02-20-2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, every year now when it comes to Rotterdam Escude is on my bad luck list - the two years he won there he beat Roger and Tim both times, so that hardly put him in my good books.

... I was particularly hacked off about the Davis Cup final and the Aussies losing, for Rafter's sake more than Hewitt's...

It was only when I saw his match against Sampras at last year's AO that I became a fan - six match points saved before eventually he lost 6-3 in the fifth, and when you consider that he'd saved two match points the previous round you only have to admire him.

Yes, I can see your point of view easily. I felt the same about him beating Tim and Rogi too [also felt badly for Rogi losing to Tim in Basel01!]. The worst was in TMC Sydney though... the one time it was really important for Hewitt to win his singles match he lost... and the rest is... well, sad history for the Aussies... if they thought it was bad losing to Spain on clay in Spain, that was nothing compared to losing on grass at home to the French... poor Rafter! The look on his face at the end when Arthurs lost was too much to bear... makes me mad that Flip got a DC win but not Pat... where's the justice??

But I was impressed w Nico at OZ02 vs. Sampras too! Just a shame he collapsed vs. AA this year... and he was doing well!! :rolleyes:

Mrs. B
02-20-2003, 09:23 PM
:wavey:

Hola, Mujeres!!!

Had cheese fondue tonight at my friend's place (hubby has a meeting) and it was delicious, a real good thing to have on this wintry evening. Had it with Swiss white wine. Yummy! :lick:

We're having a doubles tournament tomorrow night, for fun, followed by a meal of pasta. Looking forward to it. Hubby's going skiing this weekend but i'm staying in the city. Too cold up in the mountains for the likes of me, not to mention that i don't ski. :( I'll learn that in my next lifetime. ;)

So i'll say goodnight and prolly catch u late tomorrow. Good luck meanwhile to Juanqui and Roger in their next matches. :bounce: :bounce:

Tschuss!!!!

Sjengster
02-20-2003, 09:26 PM
Yes, that performance by Escude against Agassi was incredible - and yet just think, he's probably never going to play that well again but he'll still win matches where he's playing worse, simply because he can win the important points, which he didn't against Andre.

Escude was the only one in the whole draw not only to take a set off Agassi but to really worry and threaten him - a Eurosport commentator mentioned that Agassi hadn't been dominated from the baseline in that way since the glory days of Rios in 98. If it had gone to five sets and Agassi had won, I would have been reasonably happy, but Escude choked badly in the fourth set... he led by a break and then 40-0 on serve at 4-4, only to lose both games and the match.

It was a strange feeling watching the match, because there you were watching him smack countless return winners and backhands straight past Agassi to get to break point on his serve, then you'd watch him hit another unbelievable return on the break point and then miss the next shot. It happened so many times, I think he was 2/14 on break points converted, and Agassi took advantage in the end. Sad.

ILR
02-20-2003, 09:36 PM
hi and bye Mrs.B :wavey:

ILR
02-20-2003, 10:00 PM
Im being sent off by my mum,she really is in a strange mood today,shes been picking at me all day.Oh well guess Id better get going!:wavey:

ILR
02-20-2003, 10:20 PM
lol I talked my way into being allowed on here until 12 ;) Im such a sweet talker ;) though there'd be no point if I was alone!:sad:;)

Lee
02-20-2003, 10:40 PM
hi emma!

Lee
02-20-2003, 10:46 PM
Yeh! :bounce: Liverpool :bounce: And Emma, your yummy Finn scored the winning goal :D :D

Guga win the first set 6-4 :D :D

vaiva
02-20-2003, 10:46 PM
Thread! :wavey:

Actually I now realised I have nothing to say :o except that Marat lost and I'm going to sleep. I was hoping he could reach the semis but 2 matches after his comeback is not that bad, really. Zhenia now can have another shot at Max :D.

I'm off :wavey:

ILR
02-20-2003, 10:48 PM
HI Lee!:wavey:

yeah he did!:D I was so proud of him!After going on so much about him he just had to do something special that I could tell you all about!He made history aswell :hearts: and Im glad Guga won for you ;)

Lee
02-20-2003, 10:51 PM
Bye vaiva, sorry for Marat! :wavey:

Lee
02-20-2003, 10:53 PM
Unfortunately, James lost today :sad:

vaiva
02-20-2003, 10:56 PM
Of, before I go:

Actually I remembered that I had a question: have you tried to read the AA vs Pete thread in GM? A certain poster (who provided a monologue of long messages) made me worry about my reading comprehension skills. Really, these posts somehow terrified me because I was unable to finish reading the majority of sentences and failed to understand at least one paragraph (not to mention to get the meaning of it).

Has anybody else been having probs with the posters style of writing :confused: This is really confusing and scary (I was virtually getting sick by the end of every sentence).

Lee
02-20-2003, 11:01 PM
Layla and I have talked about this guy and we conclude he is also on another board that Leo and I visited. Don't worry, nobody actually read his posts.

vaiva
02-20-2003, 11:01 PM
To make things worse, I clicked on our thread but was redirected into the potato thread, straight into the bunch of enemies :o j/k

Now really bye :wavey:

ILR
02-20-2003, 11:04 PM
I have to go now its midnight!:( see you al tomorroe I guess!:wavey:

Lee
02-20-2003, 11:05 PM
Bye Emma!

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:05 PM
WAAAAAAIIITT Enmma! don't go without a kiss :kiss: :wavey:

Ferrero, Federer charge towards final showdown
By Pritha Sarkar

ROTTERDAM, Netherlands, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Top seeds Juan Carlos Ferrero and Roger Federer showed their superiority over the rest of the field as they stayed on track for a final showdown at the World Indoor Tournament on Thursday.

Switzerland's Federer mixed power with finesse to storm past Fabrice Santoro 6-0 6-4 while Ferrero wore down Sweden's Jonas Bjorkman 3-6 6-4 6-1 to reach the Rotterdam quarter-finals for the first time.

The second-seeded Federer seemed to be on auto pilot and reeled off seven straight games before the Frenchman could even get a look in.

"I'm very happy with my performance today. I played really aggressively but I know it can't always work," said Marseille Open winner Federer, who has now chalked up a nine-match winning streak.

"I like taking risks and it's good when things go my way."

After winning his first game of the match at 1-1 in the second set, Santoro let out a loud sigh of relief and gave a mock bow as the fans cheered him on.

But Federer was on fastforward mode and in no mood to let up, wrapping up the match in just 58 minutes when Santoro floated a lazy forehand wide on break point.

The 21-year-old will next take on home favourite Sjeng Schalken, who will be looking to avenge his defeat by the stylish Swiss in the first round of the Davis Cup 11 days ago.

"It's the third time I'm playing him in Holland. The spectators will want revenge for the Davis Cup loss for sure," said Federer.

BLAZING START

Doubles specialist Bjorkman, runner-up to Federer in Marseille last week, got off to a blazing start and raced into a 3-0 lead as he outfoxed top seed Ferrero with his serve and volley game.

But while the Rotterdam event had previously never been a happy hunting ground for the clay-loving Spaniard, Ferrero was determined not to buckle under the pressure.

Having finally overcome the first-round jinx on his third visit here, Ferrero dug deep and came out fighting in the second.

Despite being broken when serving for the set at 5-3, Ferrero displayed his new-found confidence on the slick service by attacking Bjorkman's serve in the next game. The Spaniard levelled the contest with a thunderous forehand crosscourt winner.

"In the second set I was able to play my tennis and found the way to win the match," said the 23-year-old Ferrero.

"He broke me at 5-3 but sometimes you need to stay relaxed in tennis and wait for the break to come -- which for me came in the very next game."

In the decider, Ferrero wrong-footed Bjorkman time and again with his deceptive choice of groundstrokes to grab a 5-0 lead before clinching victory just two games later.

The world number three will play either Dutchman Raemon Sluiter or Jarkko Nieminen for a place n the last four.

Tim Henman's conqueror Ivan Ljubicic fell foul to an injury on Thursday.

The Croatian Davis Cup hero was trailing Belarussian Max Mirnyi 4-2 in the first set when he retired with a finger injury.

:bounce:

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:10 PM
:wavey: howdy everybody.

Mirnyi/Federer beat Corretja Costa 6-4, 3-6, 7-5 :bounce:

And FINALLY Mad Max won two singles matches in a row again (Ljubicic has to retire at 4-2 but a win's still a win :D). Now he's got a great chance against Yevgeny to make a semifinal - his first since LA last summer. Good Luck to the Beast of Belarus. And the OTHER Belarusian player, Vladimir, also won today over Morrison in 3 sets in that horrific American tourney. :)

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:11 PM
omg i just realized that this was an entirely new thread :eek: omg :eek:

Lee
02-20-2003, 11:12 PM
Hi Leo! :wavey:

I am cheering on Guga in the tourny thread now!

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:15 PM
Does anybody know if this is Juanqui's first tournament seeded at #1 this week?

I'm so glad he's in the quarterfinals again for the 3rd time this year (ALREADY!) and he's got a fine 12-2 record on the year so far. Keep up the good work, Juan Carlos. :)

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:15 PM
:wavey: Lee. Go Guga! Hope he wins this tourney! :bounce:

Lee
02-20-2003, 11:19 PM
Although he's up a set, he's really struggling now!

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Well, Greek are supposed to marry only Greek. And in Big Fat Greek Wedding, the parents fretted out when their daughter met a non-Greek. But of course the happy ending is that they managed to get marry and be happy ever after.

My Greek friend is in a typical Greek family and he is a Canadian born but with very typical Greek mind and he told me that he's not allowed to marry non-Greek. But he also told me that he only want to meet a beautiful Greek girl, get married and starts producing kids, just like a typical Greek guy in that movie.

I just heard that there will be a new "Big Fat Greek Wedding" series on CBS. I wonder how that will do in the ratings. Hopefully not a letdown.

Leo7
02-20-2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Safin's match begins. Tough one to root for cos I like them both, but I'm leaning toward Marat. And 2 Frenchmen tomorrow, I like both. But Seb's always comes first.

There's another discrepancy in scoreboard, some said Mantilla def. Gonzo (walkover), but Yahoo has Gonzo def. Mantilla. So who's the default one?

atptennis.com is saying Mantilla won by default, and they're pretty reliable.

ferrerogrrl
02-21-2003, 12:25 AM
:bounce: woo! go Juanqui! :D

Wish me luck, guys! I'm going jobhunting at a career fair on campus tonight .. I'm faking my resume right now .. .;) :p

Lee
02-21-2003, 12:31 AM
Go luck Maly!

Hopefully it work cause I am screaming at Guga and it seems my well wishes is not quite working.

Dissident
02-21-2003, 01:17 AM
Hello peeps! :wavey:

Im having my first week of classes, and already got to know its gonna be a cool, but hard-working, semester. Many interesting stuff, and loads of things to do.

Also, I will be traveling on Saturday to the beach again. :D I will be next to Florianopolis (;)), and will come back on Monday night. Then one more week of class before I leave again next Friday to stay there for a week then. :D

Ill go to bed now, I have class tomorrow morning.
BYE BYE!! :wavey:

Lee
02-21-2003, 01:28 AM
Guga did win the match 6-4 6-7 7-5.

Leo7
02-21-2003, 01:47 AM
remember that depressing story i posted about the transplant disaster a coupledays ago? well it looks like there's still some hope for the girl. :)

DURHAM, N.C. (Feb. 20) - With perhaps only hours left to live, the 17-year-old girl mistakenly given a heart and lungs with the wrong blood type was handed an extraordinary second chance Thursday after doctors - against all odds - located another set of organs.

Surgeons rushed to transplant the new heart and lungs into Jesica Santillan, whose relatives had feared she would be dead by the weekend. She was in critical condition after the four-hour operation, and doctors warned it was too early to say whether she would pull through.

''She's as critical as a person could be,'' Dr. Duane Davis said at Duke University Hospital, noting that Jesica's body suffered damage while she was on life support. The organs removed Thursday could not be salvaged.

Magdalena Santillan, Jesica's mother, said she was no longer angry with the doctors since they had corrected their mistake. She said she had spoken to her unconscious daughter, praising her courage and letting her know she had supporters throughout the world.

''Everything is going to come out OK,'' the mother said in Spanish through a translator. ''I'm really blessed.''

The Mexican teenager with O-positive blood had waited nearly three years for a transplant. But in a mistake that still has not been fully explained, Duke surgeons gave her organs from a donor with type A blood on Feb. 7.

Her body rejected the new organs and she suffered a stroke and had to be put on life support. Doctors had little hope of finding a new heart and lungs in time to save her life, in part because of her blood type and because she is so small at 5-foot-2 and 85 pounds that any organs would probably have to come from a child - and child donors are rare.

But new organs from a type O donor were found late Wednesday. People with type O blood can only receive organs of the same blood type. Type O is the most commonly occurring blood group, according to the American Red Cross.

Lloyd Jordan of Carolina Donor Services said the donor family had requested anonymity. He said the donation was not ''directed'' - that is, the family did not specifically request that the organs be given to Jesica.

The organs were donated through the United Network for Organ Sharing, a national group that helps connect donors and potential patients.

Jesica's place on the list was determined in part by her poor condition and her age. Network spokeswoman Anne Paschke said the girl's immigration status played no role because hospitals are allowed to place non-citizens on their organ waiting lists and must give them the same priority level as citizens.

U.S. hospitals cannot perform more than 5 percent of their transplants on people who aren't residents of this country.

''We want to make sure that with such a scarcity of organs that we take care of people in the U.S.,'' Paschke said.

Relatives have said Jesica's family paid a smuggler to bring them from their small town near Guadalajara, Mexico, to the United States to get a transplant because a heart deformity kept her lungs from getting oxygen into her blood. Doctors said she would have died within six months without the transplant.

Sixth-grader Heather Adams said she hoped her best friend would recover so they could return to having sleepovers, shopping and spending time together.

''I'm very happy for her,'' the 12-year-old said through tears. ''It was terrible when I found out she was unconscious.''

Duke officials are still investigating what led to the Feb. 7 error, but have already identified a couple of mistakes.

Dr. James Jaggers, the surgeon in the case, wrongly assumed compatibility between the organs and patient had been confirmed, said Dr. William Fulkerson, the hospital's chief operating officer.

The hospital has added levels of verification for organ compatibility, and Fulkerson said those procedures were followed Thursday.

Jaggers also performed the second transplant, though the hospital said other surgeons were involved because of Jesica's complicated condition.

''We have faith in the surgeon,'' said Mack Mahoney, a leader of the fund-raising efforts to pay for Jesica's care. ''We feel there was a grave mistake made. We do not question his skill as a surgeon.''

The organ sharing network is reviewing what led to the flawed transplant. But the New England organ bank that sent the first heart and lungs said the organs were delivered with paperwork correctly listing the donor's blood type.

In the Santillans' hometown of Tamazula, relatives prayed for her safe return to Mexico. Ramona Santillan, Jesica's aunt, said she hoped to bring the girl to Mexico City's Basilica of Guadalupe, where a cloak with the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe is displayed.

''I promised the virgin that if she saves her, I would bring her (to Mexico City) as a thank you,'' she said.

AP-NY-02-20-03 2040EST

Leo7
02-21-2003, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Guga did win the match 6-4 6-7 7-5.

congrats Guga! :bounce: but what a tough match; i didn't think Saretta would be such a challenge for Kuerten. :eek:

Leo7
02-21-2003, 01:52 AM
Seeds Falling in Memphis

Mardy Fish got one of the biggest wins of his young career on Thursday, with his three-set victory against No. 2 seed Paradorn Srichaphan. The upsets didn't stop there, as No. 3 seed James Blake's quest for a second straight Kroger St. Jude final came to an abrumpt end with his loss to Georgia's Irakli Labadze.

Tonight, defending champion Andy Roddick will try to avenge an earlier loss in Sydney when he takes on Korea's Hyung-Taik Lee.

bye bye Paradorn! :wavey: :D
but poor James :sad: what happened? :(

well here's to hoping that Andy will be the next seed to fall...

Lee
02-21-2003, 01:56 AM
Leo, thanks for the article on the girl. Let's pray for her recovery.

Leo7
02-21-2003, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by ferrerogrrl
:bounce: woo! go Juanqui! :D

Wish me luck, guys! I'm going jobhunting at a career fair on campus tonight .. I'm faking my resume right now .. .;) :p

good luck with that, Maly. with your charm i don't know how anyone could reject you. ;)

i really need to find a job for this summer also. hopefully i can get something at my local racquet club.

Lee
02-21-2003, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by Leo7
congrats Guga! :bounce: but what a tough match; i didn't think Saretta would be such a challenge for Kuerten. :eek:

Saretta playing a very good match today (according to Diss). Also, Guga is not even close to his best.

Lee
02-21-2003, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Leo7
bye bye Paradorn! :wavey: :D
but poor James :sad: what happened? :(

well here's to hoping that Andy will be the next seed to fall...

lol Leo. Have you seen the Fish pic in GM?

I post earlier that in the last game, James was up 40-0 and then lost the next 5 points to lost the match. I don't know whether it's physical or mental problem. At least Guga save the day for me.

Leo7
02-21-2003, 02:04 AM
That's true. I hope he can get back to his best this year. Another title win would give him some more confidence that he needs.

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
:wavey:

Hola, Mujeres!!!

Had cheese fondue tonight at my friend's place (hubby has a meeting) and it was delicious, a real good thing to have on this wintry evening. Had it with Swiss white wine. Yummy! :lick:

We're having a doubles tournament tomorrow night, for fun, followed by a meal of pasta. Looking forward to it. Hubby's going skiing this weekend but i'm staying in the city. Too cold up in the mountains for the likes of me, not to mention that i don't ski. :( I'll learn that in my next lifetime. ;)

So i'll say goodnight and prolly catch u late tomorrow. Good luck meanwhile to Juanqui and Roger in their next matches. :bounce: :bounce:

Tschuss!!!!

Cheese fondue sounds really yummy, Mrs. B :lick: Better than the crap they've been serving us, at any rate. I can't wait to get to some home cooking . . . but the stress of all the work I have to do before then is killing me :mad:

Good luck in your tournament! I'm sure you'll do great, or at least have lots of fun :D I don't know how to ski, either, but on Monday, when they cancelled classes, someone erected a ski jump behind the athletic facility and there's a really cool shot of someone doing a flip in this week's campus paper.

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 02:34 AM
*sigh* Fish won and James lost. It only compounded my anger and frustration at the day :mad:

James & Gimelstob are still in the doubles though, having beaten the third ranked pair of Mahesh Bhupathi & Joshua Eagle :D

*sigh* I'm so tired yet I have so much work and so much of it is frustrating. I can't even convey to you guys the hatred I have for my Russian professor. She is the teaching fellow, so she's only here for one year (thank God!), and I just can't stand her. For instance, we had to turn in an essay a few days ago, and then she'd hand it back with "hints" about the corrections so we could correct it ourselves. Only, SHE INCORRECTLY CORRECTED ME. She said I used a wrong word but I looked it up in all of my dictionaries and, indeed, it was the right word :rolleyes:

That's what I hate about this system of grading essays. Yes, we should learn to correct our mistakes, but sometimes there's no way to correct a mistake except to do it yourself. You can't explain how to do it.

But, whine whine whine, the last thing you guys need to hear/read :o

I've missed you, D., I wish we could chat sometime :( Have fun at the beach! (I'll be joining Layla & Vaiva, chained to my desk with work.)

Leo7
02-21-2003, 02:34 AM
Escude Wins Thriller, Top Two Seeds Advance
Escude defeats Krajicek, as Ferrero and Federer all move into the quarterfinals.

Two blockbuster match-ups in Thursday's second round at the ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament in Rotterdam saw two-time defending champion Nicolas Escude take out two-time champion Richard Krajicek in a third-set tiebreak, while Yevgeny Kafelnikov defeated countryman Marat Safin in three tight sets to win the battle of the Russian tennis stars.

Escude pulled out of last week's Open 13 tournament in Marseille with a strained right hamstring and said in Rotterdam that the muscle still felt tight. But he was in good enough condition to last through a 2 1/2 hour match with the former Wimbledon champion to keep his hopes alive of becoming the first player ever to win three consecutive ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament titles.

Meanwhile, veteran Yevgeny Kafelnikov showed that his younger countryman Marat Safin still can learn a thing or two from him. Kafelnikov came back from being down a set and broke Safin in the final game of the match to take the third set 6-4. It was the first time the Davis Cup teammates had played in nearly a year in a half and the first ATP match victory for Kafelnikov over Safin in nearly four years.

Another developing story at the ABN AMRO is local favorite and Rotterdam native Raemon Sluiter, who advanced to the quarterfinals in his hometown event for the first time in his career with a three set win over Finland's Jarkko Nieminen. After losing the second set, Sluiter won a marathon 12-minute game to open the third set and took control from there, winning 7-6(7), 2-6, 6-3.

Another three-set winner was top seeded Juan Carlos Ferrero, who saw Jonas Bjorkman take a one set lead before coming back to take the last two sets and the match.

And Max Mirnyi moved into his first ATP quarterfinal of the year when Ivan Ljubicic had to retire from their match with an injured index finger on his right playing hand. That makes two consecutive tournaments from which the powerful Croatian has had to retire, having stopped in his match against Roger Federer in the first round in Marseille with a sore right shoulder. Federer today defeated Fabrice Santoro 6-0, 6-4.

WHAT THE PLAYERS SAID
Juan Carlos Ferrero: "In the second set I was able to play my tennis and found the way to win the match."

"He broke me at 5-3 but sometimes you need to stay relaxed in tennis and wait for the break to come -- which for me came in the very next game."

"In my academy in Spain, I have built an indoor court and play a lot there. I now have more experience on the surface and quite enjoy it, especially as I had the good results last year. Reaching the Tennis Masters Cup final in Shanghai has definitely given me a lot of confidence on this surface."

"I may be the first seed here but I know I have to play very well here to beat some of the indoor specialists like Federer and Safin."

Nicolas Escude: "It's a good win today... very, very good. He was playing so well."

"When I was serving for the match at 5-4 in the second set, he produced two amazing backhands. I would rank Richard Krajicek as a top player on indoor or fast courts for sure. I can hardly touch his service games. Sometimes he loses his concentration and makes some bad mistakes which is why I think I won the match."

"I am a little bit tired physically. Sometimes I made a really good serve but foot faulted. I also tend to make a lot of double faults when I can't push off my feet enough."

On playing Grosjean
"I hope it will be the same result as here last year against him, only this time that it won't be so close. I saved match points last year. We are going to try our best to win and make a great match to watch for the spectators."

On his winning streak
"I am feeling good. It's magic here. I hope I can achieve the same as Kafelnikov in Moscow -- he won there five times in a row. I'm going for my third consecutive title here."

Jonas Bjorkman: "I think I would have put him under some pressure if I could have made it 5-5 in the second set when I was serving at 4-5. Instead, he broke my serve and really got the momentum of the match behind him. Simultaneously, I started serving really badly."

"It is a good sign when you are feeling your body having played many consecutive matches. Everyone is hoping to get a lot of matches in."

"I am very happy how I can work the top guys. If I had been serving better, I would have maybe come away with a win. Even though I lost the match, I am very pleased with the way I played the first two sets. In the end, he played better than me."

"In the last couple of years, I was struggling to find my singles game. You need to get all the things to fall together at the same time. I have great people surrounding me now and that really helps my game."

"I think it is important for the whole game for more players to compete in both doubles and singles. Playing doubles and singles at a tournament is just a question of your mentality. You have to take the right mental approach and dedicate yourself to all the matches."

Sebastien Grosjean: "He started really well. He was hitting the ball hard and wasn't missing. He was also returning well, which put pressure on my service games. I then started to serve better. At the beginning, it was tough to miss a few points. By taking the first set I broke his morale a bit."

Roger Federer: "I'm very happy with my performance today. I played really aggressively but I know it can't always work. I like taking risks and it's good when things go my way. It was in tough in the second though... there's always some kind of danger of slipping up especially when you win the first set so easily."

About meeting Schalken "It's the third time I'm playing him in Holland. The spectators will want revenge for the Davis Cup loss for sure."

Richard Krajicek: "There were a lot of emotions on the court. I have never waved good bye to the crowd for so long after I lost a match. The support of the spectators tonight was incredible. Even though I lost, it was a beautiful score for me."

"I was always trailing in the match. I am very impressed.. Escude has a beautiful chance to win the title again."

"After the match, I took a long time to do a TV interview because this is a very special moment for me. The end of an era. For years I saw the tournament as a player, but this time I view it from a tournament director's perspective for the first time. On Saturday, I will accompany Stan Franker in a days work of a tournament director."

"I feel I am going to working in a beautiful team at this tournament. I am deeply sad about Wim's death. Even though I have a very good relationship with Stan Franker, I miss Wim sorely."

"I will be playing now until the US Open, I am looking forward to being a tournament director here. I want to try and get an American or an Australian to this tournament... only time will tell."

Raemon Sluiter: "I was very, very, very happy. Nieminen put a lot of pressure on me. I fought hard to win the first set. Having lost the second, the Rotterdam crowd carried me through the third to take the match."

"Nieminen is a beautiful player. His ground strokes are so fast. We have similar styles of play."

"The Rotterdam tournament is very special for me. I feel so at home here. Well, I am at home here."

FRIDAY PREVIEW
Roger Federer will be taking on Dutch No. 1 Sjeng Schalken in the opening match on Friday. Federer has won nine singles matches in a row and does not seem to be fatigued from his strenuous schedule the past two weeks. He dispatched veteran Frenchman Fabrice Santoro in straight sets Thursday and says that playing alot of matches "is a good problem to have." Sjeng Schalken, meanwhile, had the benefit of an extra days rest, having played his second round match Wednesday night against Belgium's Olivier Rochus. The two have never played indoors before, but the last time they met in Holland was during the grass court season in 2002 with Schalken winning in three sets.

If history is any indication than no quarterfinal opponents are closer matched indoors than Raemon Sluiter and Juan Carlos Ferrero. In their last and only match-up to date, Sluiter defeated Ferrero in a Davis Cup tie in Eindhoven, Holland, in five sets -- three of which went to a tiebreak. Sluiter, a native of Rotterdam, is certain to have the crowd in his favor once again.

Nicolas Escude rode his semifinal win over Sebastien Grosjean last year to victory, coming back from a set down to beat his Davis Cup teammate and then going on to defeat Tim Henman in the ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament Final. He'll try to do the same on Friday, but in the quarterfinals this time. Grosjean and Escude were France's singles players in their first round victory over Romania two weeks ago, but now find themselves on opposite sides of the net.

And lastly, Belarus' Max Mirnyi faces Yevgeny Kafelnikov. The two have played on six previous occasions.

Lee
02-21-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack

But, whine whine whine, the last thing you guys need to hear/read :o

I've missed you, D., I wish we could chat sometime :( Have fun at the beach! (I'll be joining Layla & Vaiva, chained to my desk with work.)



*hug* TH. It's OK to whine. That's what we are here for!

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 02:42 AM
*hug* Thanks. I was almost to the point of crying. I've pretty much given up on making a good grade in Russian this year.

I've got a project due before break and another one due shortly after I return that I must order resources for. Plus, of course, everyone wants to get their midterm exam in before the break (aka next week) :rolleyes:

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

Heh, that felt good ;)

Lee
02-21-2003, 02:46 AM
I joined a program in my church for stay-at-home moms and we meet once a week for 9 weeks. Lots of tissues pulled in meetings but everyone feel good afterward.

So, just yell whatever you want TH and it will make you feel better :)

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 02:55 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Layla, but . . .

(Q) Thierry Ascione (FRA) d. (4) Arnaud DiPasquale (FRA) 6-7, 6-3, 6-4

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 02:56 AM
The mid-semester and end-semester crunch is something everyone feels because all of the classes are structured the same way. That's part of what's so frustrating about it.

And that's my last post on the subject I swear :o

Lee
02-21-2003, 02:59 AM
This is for you TH!

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 03:06 AM
Heehee, thank you very much :)

Lee
02-21-2003, 03:08 AM
Have to go now but may be back later tonight! :D Any Rafter fans here? I think I find a few Rafter (shirtless) pic; may be put them somewhere later.

Bye :wavey:

RogiFan
02-21-2003, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Have to go now but may be back later tonight! :D Any Rafter fans here? I think I find a few Rafter (shirtless) pic; may be put them somewhere later.

Bye :wavey:

Yes, Lee, I'm a Rafter fan!!

But I have to go to bed now... tired from my guys winning [esc for Marat :( ]!

:angel:

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 03:24 AM
Ahaha, how many of you can relate to this? Not me, I fear -- I'm just shy :o But I found this amusing in and of its own right [warning: do not take dead seriously!]

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/rauch.htm

Caring for Your Introvert

The habits and needs of a little-understood group

by Jonathan Rauch

Do you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an introvert on your hands—and that you aren't caring for him properly. Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain scans, that introverts process information differently from other people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.

Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am not morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long conversations that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests. But at last I have self-identified and come out to my friends and colleagues. In doing so, I have found myself liberated from any number of damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Now I am here to tell you what you need to know in order to respond sensitively and supportively to your own introverted family members, friends, and colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with every day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person nuts. It pays to learn the warning signs.

What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the expression. Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on," we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm okay, you're okay—in small doses."

How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on this question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer: About 25 percent. Or: Just under half. Or—my favorite—"a minority in the regular population but a majority in the gifted population."

Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in life. "It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an introvert," write the education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa Kaenzig. (They are also the source of the quotation in the previous paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people. They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and yipping.

Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing, extroverts are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which only the garrulous are really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush. Look at Bill Clinton. They seem to come fully to life only around other people. To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top in politics—Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon—is merely to drive home the point. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled aloofness and privateness were probably signs of a deep introverted streak (many actors, I've read, are introverts, and many introverts, when socializing, feel like actors), introverts are not considered "naturals" in politics.

Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we introverts ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more peaceful sort of place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still?" (He is also supposed to have said, "If you don't say anything, you won't be called on to repeat it." The only thing a true introvert dislikes more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)

With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also dominate social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our extrovertist society, being outgoing is considered normal and therefore desirable, a mark of happiness, confidence, leadership. Extroverts are seen as bighearted, vibrant, warm, empathic. "People person" is a compliment. Introverts are described with words like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn," "self-contained," "private"—narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest emotional parsimony and smallness of personality. Female introverts, I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles, particularly in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being what they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women, lacking that alternative, are even more likely than men to be perceived as timid, withdrawn, haughty.

Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts. Also, it is probably due to our lack of small talk, a lack that extroverts often mistake for disdain. We tend to think before talking, whereas extroverts tend to think by talking, which is why their meetings never last less than six hours. "Introverts," writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an online review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction by the semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts don't outwardly complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse the darkness." Just so.

The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the etiquette books—written, no doubt, by extroverts—regard declining to banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit, it will not be impolite to say "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful person and I like you. But now please shush."

How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and respect his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's the matter?" or "Are you all right?"

Third, don't say anything else, either.

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Layla, but . . .

(Q) Thierry Ascione (FRA) d. (4) Arnaud DiPasquale (FRA) 6-7, 6-3, 6-4

I can amend my judgment of bad news by saying that Arnaud received direct entrance into the Copenhagen Open next week :)

Jarkko will probably be the #1 seed :eek:

TennisHack
02-21-2003, 03:35 AM
Speaking of Jarkko and Denmark, my lucscious Finn participated in Kid's Day last year:

http://www.copenhagen-open.com/cphopen2002/Images/presse/bornedag.jpg

:) So here's hoping he'll make even more Danish hearts happy this year!

Last year he lost in the first round to Olivier Rochus . . . somehow I don't think that's going to happen again! ;)

lokon
02-21-2003, 04:27 AM
*cough* *stands up* Hi, Im lokon, and Im an introvert :D

Actually, I am, and some of what that article said actually bears a striking resemblance to my social life (or lack thereof :p).

Vera
02-21-2003, 04:43 AM
Hi lokon :wavey: me a fellow introvert :D

Lee
02-21-2003, 04:43 AM
Originally posted by lokon
*cough* *stands up* Hi, Im lokon, and Im an introvert :D

Actually, I am, and some of what that article said actually bears a striking resemblance to my social life (or lack thereof :p).

Oh! lokon, we look more and more like twins now! :eek:

Lee
02-21-2003, 04:44 AM
TH, is the guy sitting next to Jarkko in one of those pic Kenneth Carlsen?

Vera
02-21-2003, 04:47 AM
4 great matches from Rotterdam tomorrow (well, a few great one today). I'm willing to trade my entire AO coverage in for the coverage of Rotterdam. But of course that won't happen. To think about it, if I can trade in all my Grand Slam coverage (except Roland Garros) to exchange for several tourneys ISG tourney in Europe. The past 3 Grand Slam coverage for me is grossly disappointing, except maybe when Paradorn beat AA in Wimby :p.

Vera
02-21-2003, 04:50 AM
Okay, that's my whine for the day.

Hey Hackie, feel free to whine here. The beauty of message board is that one can just speak what's on one's mind and not feel that our own troubles is ever gonna affect anyone. I guess you know what I mean. So hugs to you and hope you feel better :kiss:.

Hi Lee :wavey:

Lee
02-21-2003, 04:53 AM
My wish list for tomorrow winners are:

Guga :D :D :D
Juanqui
Rogi
Zhenya
Seb

Hi Vera :wavey:

Vera
02-21-2003, 04:55 AM
:mad: Pandy's leading Lee 4-2 in TB, is it too late to cheer. C'mon Lee. :bounce:

Lee
02-21-2003, 04:56 AM
Lee cheering hard on LEE! :bounce: