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Super 12 - Finals Series

bad gambler
05-20-2005, 03:15 AM
Semi-Final #1 - Crusdaers v Hurricanes

History and current form suggest the Crusaders will be hosting the final next weekend after beating the Hurricanes in the first semifinal.

The two teams have played each other 11 times in the Super 12 and the Crusaders have won seven times, the Hurricanes three, while there has been one draw.

Their most recent clash was just last weekend and the Crusaders were comfortable 40-20 winners at the same venue, but there is a lot more pressure and intensity this week.

The Hurricanes get back Tana Umaga, Jerry Collins and Andrew Hore but the Crusaders also bring back the benched Dan Carter and Dave Hewett, plus the fit-again Richie McCaw, who as I have told you all before is the best flanker going around in world rugby IMO.

Both sides have minimal injury concerns however have lost their first choice centres with Casey Laulala still not recovered from a hamstring injury while Conrad Smith has been ruled out after suffering a concussion last weekend. The Hurricanes have also lost prop Tim Fairbrother with a shoulder injury. But neither of these injuries I dont believe will alter the outcome of this match.

Another reason why this will be a firece encounter is becuase there are a number of All Black match ups with the Crusaders having at least 13 former All Blacks in their starting lineup while the Hurricanes have 6.

The Crusaders have never lost in their 6 times they have played SF nin super 12 while the Hurricanes are yet to win in their two times in the playoffs.

The Crusaders have the best attack in the competition, scoring 137 more points than the next best the Waratahs.The experience and class of the Crusaders should be too much for the Hurricanes but with game breakers like Umaga and Ma a Nonu they should never be written off.

My verdict: I think the last sentence sums it up. Prima facie the crusaders should walk this but when you have players like Umaga and Nonu in the opposition who can break the line with pace and score from anywhere in the park, the canes cant be written off.

I believe the bookies have got it right with the spread of 12.5, therefore my advice would be to play the crusaders ML outright or use it as a handy leg of a parlay.


Good luck

its.like.that
05-20-2005, 03:23 AM
tip: Scott Hamilton and Lome Fa'atau to tie for the same number of tries @ $2.10 :p

its.like.that
05-20-2005, 03:55 AM
I dont think the Crusaders will let this one slip, they've come too far this season, but at the same time, I wouldnt be terribly confident taking the -11.5. So to be safe, parlay the mainline, or if its raining, hit UNDERS! :p

its.like.that
05-20-2005, 03:57 AM
***SPECIAL THANKS TO MR BG FOR HIS IN-DEPTH WRITE-UP OF THE GAME***
:kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss:

harvey
05-20-2005, 08:37 AM
keep rolling em crusaders

its.like.that
05-21-2005, 01:10 AM
-11.5 wins... get on them now for next weekend, tahs have no chance :p

bad gambler
05-21-2005, 01:11 AM
Semi Final # 2 - Waratahs v Bulls

Two form teams play in the second semifinal with the big Bulls forwards the key for their success and the speedy and in form backs the key for the Waratahs.

The Bulls have won their last six matches to make the top four, eventually finishing third after a huge 75-14 win over the Stormers last week.

Interesting to note however that their last loss was a 42-12 defeat at the hands of the Waratahs in round five when Peter Hewat scored 34 points. I was there at that game and they were atrocious, made basic handling errors the whole night.

The Waratahs have won their last four matches, since losing to the Hurricanes.

Neither side has a lot of experience at the business end of the Super 12 with the Waratahs' last semifinal a 51-10 thrashing in Sydney by the Brumbies in 2002 while the Bulls haven't been in the playoffs since 1996, when they lost 48-11 to the Blues in Auckland.


The Bulls had nine players included in the Springbok squad named during the week and many of those will be looking to prove they should be in the starting 15. The Waratahs will also have several players pushing their claims for a Wallabies jumper as the top Australian side. The potential of this being a trial game for their respective national teams provides all players with a huge incentive for a big performance.

The Bulls are usually poor travellers and a much easier side to beat away from Pretoria while the Waratahs have only lost to the Crusaders in Sydney this year so will rightly start as favourites.

My Verdict: Don't be fooled by the Bulls' recent success. Although they have been impressive, I don't see them having the staying power to last the 80 min against a mobile forward pack and slick finishing backs. I am playing the 'tahs to cover the -8.5 start on the this basis and another thing that gives me more confidence is that it looks like the bad weather Sydney has experienced in the last week has passed as it it currently Saturday morning and the sun is out.

I'll be there tonight cheering the 'tahs home

good luck

SwiSha
05-21-2005, 01:23 AM
nice write up man even though i have no clue about rugby

its.like.that
05-21-2005, 01:45 AM
nice write up man even though i have no clue about rugby
I concur :singer:, I think Swish is right on the money...

Finns4
05-21-2005, 02:37 AM
Semi Final # 2 - Waratahs v Bulls

Two form teams play in the second semifinal with the big Bulls forwards the key for their success and the speedy and in form backs the key for the Waratahs.

The Bulls have won their last six matches to make the top four, eventually finishing third after a huge 75-14 win over the Stormers last week.

Interesting to note however that their last loss was a 42-12 defeat at the hands of the Waratahs in round five when Peter Hewat scored 34 points. I was there at that game and they were atrocious, made basic handling errors the whole night.

The Waratahs have won their last four matches, since losing to the Hurricanes.

Neither side has a lot of experience at the business end of the Super 12 with the Waratahs' last semifinal a 51-10 thrashing in Sydney by the Brumbies in 2002 while the Bulls haven't been in the playoffs since 1996, when they lost 48-11 to the Blues in Auckland.


The Bulls had nine players included in the Springbok squad named during the week and many of those will be looking to prove they should be in the starting 15. The Waratahs will also have several players pushing their claims for a Wallabies jumper as the top Australian side. The potential of this being a trial game for their respective national teams provides all players with a huge incentive for a big performance.

The Bulls are usually poor travellers and a much easier side to beat away from Pretoria while the Waratahs have only lost to the Crusaders in Sydney this year so will rightly start as favourites.

My Verdict: Don't be fooled by the Bulls' recent success. Although they have been impressive, I don't see them having the staying power to last the 80 min against a mobile forward pack and slick finishing backs. I am playing the 'tahs to cover the -8.5 start on the this basis and another thing that gives me more confidence is that it looks like the bad weather Sydney has experienced in the last week has passed as it it currently Saturday morning and the sun is out.

I'll be there tonight cheering the 'tahs home

good luck


I Disagree BG :p

Im taking the Bulls +9.5 and a small wager on tahs exact winning margin 10 points @ 21-1 as a back up.

As BG mentioned when the Tahs played the Bulls Last it was a thrashing, however the Bulls were missing 3 current starting fowards.

Imo the Tahs 2 last games have just been rubbish.... Sure they won but not convincingly.

25-20 over the Blues and a 27-8 over the happless reds. The Tahs main weakness in these 2 games was there foward pack, if this trend continues the Bulls will all but crush the tahs tonight in thier fowards. A key of example of this was last weekends game against the Blues, however the tahs Defence last weekend was excellent in the first half, but not so great in the 2nd half.

Furthermore though Hewatt is a great goal kicker going on his form last two games, he'll have to be @ is best tonight 2 out do Morné Steyn.

Im a Bulls fan and a tahs fan, but im going with form and moment-om, The Bulls have a great chance to win this tonight, but i feel the Tahs will break they palyoffs Voodoo and win JUST


(20 Units) BULLS +9.5
(2units) Exact winning Margin TAHS BY 10

(3units) Tah 1-12 @3.10

its.like.that
05-21-2005, 03:20 AM
(2units) Exact winning Margin TAHS BY 10


:lol: lol

Finns4
05-21-2005, 03:41 AM
:lol: lol

U always seem 2 laugh @ my plays lol

Ive hit 2 out of the three exact winning margins this season

St Kilda hot tip ;) there lol

Finns4
05-21-2005, 11:23 AM
:lol: lol


:eek: I think u should kiss my feet

its.like.that
05-21-2005, 12:20 PM
U always seem 2 laugh @ my plays lol

Ive hit 2 out of the three exact winning margins this season

St Kilda hot tip ;) there lol
lol... maybe you should consider turning professional ;)

bad gambler
05-21-2005, 01:34 PM
Hope you all enjoyed the free cash

NSW Waratahs, nailed on :cool:

bad gambler
05-21-2005, 01:38 PM
UP the TAHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Finns4
05-23-2005, 02:47 AM
Hope you all enjoyed the free cash

NSW Waratahs, nailed on :cool:
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I wouldnt say it was the easiest of cash :P

bad gambler
05-28-2005, 01:07 AM
Final - Crusaders v Waratahs

The Crusaders are favourites to win their fifth Super 12 title and second at home.The Crusaders have the experience in the big matches, with this their seventh final in eight years, and they have 18 players who have appeared in finals, with Reuben Thorne and Andrew Mehrtens playing in all six.

It is the first final for the Waratahs.

Both sides have players in their last matches for their respective clubs with Nathan Grey and hooker Brendan Cannon among those leaving the Waratahs, while the Crusaders have halfback Justin Marshall, prop Dave Hewett.

The Crusaders have been in top form leading into the final with six straight wins, none better than their 47-7 thrashing of the Hurricanes in the semifinal.

The Waratahs are also on a pretty good roll with five wins on the trot, although they have not been at their best in the last two weeks in Sydney where they just beat the Blues 25-20 to lose top spot on the ladder before beating the Bulls 23-13 in their semifinal.

When the two sides met in round six this season it was the Crusaders who came out on top 33-27 in Sydney. The Crusaders are the best attacking team in the Super 12 while the Waratahs have the best defensive record for the year.

An interesting fact I stumbled across was that the Waratahs are more dangerous at breaking the line with 102 line breaks to the Crusaders 86 and they have also forced more turnovers with 132 compared to the Crusaders 105. The Crusaders however are kings of capitalising with their turnover ball and can score from anywhere with 24 tries directly from turnovers, while the Waratahs have only scored 16 in the 2005 season.

There are a number of key matchups in the final with the contest at the breakdown sure to be one to watch as two of the best openside flankers in the world go head-to-head in the Waratahs\' Phil Waugh and the Crusaders\' Richie McCaw. I will sat it again this week, McCaw is the best flanker in teh world, his work at the breakdown is brilliant.

The Crusaders lead the head-to-head record 6-4, including the record Super 12 score of 96-19 in 2002, and have only lost to the Waratahs once at Jade Stadium which was in 2003.

My Verdict: Im an avid Waratahs supporter but even I cant see how they can beat this incredible Crusaders team, full of All Blacks. The problem I see for the Waratahs is that even though they may be within in striking distance, the Crusaders have shown many times this season they can burn any team from anywhere and rack up many tries within a short period of time. As a result, i am playing the Crusdaers to cover any start they receive, currently set at -10.5. I hope I can be proven wrong!

good luck

Finns4
05-28-2005, 02:27 AM
BG U CAN GET -9.5 @ TAB

Finns4
05-28-2005, 02:34 AM
Im taking Tahs +13

+6.5 first half

Lote more tries than hewatt@ $3.90

and Crusaders exact winning Margin of 10, 12 and 14 @ 24-1 and 21-1

GL

its.like.that
05-28-2005, 03:08 AM
Tahs suck :lol:

Finns4
05-28-2005, 09:53 AM
Im taking Tahs +13

+6.5 first half

Lote more tries than hewatt@ $3.90

and Crusaders exact winning Margin of 10, 12 and 14 @ 24-1 and 21-1

GL


Man what a comeback pay day!!!

2 exact winning margins in 2 weeks!!