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Even though the Weasel is there do it for Argentina in Dusseldorf

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 09:23 AM
The man is there in Dusseldorf and hopefully he can play better than he has recently and get some good practice in for RG.

Vamos Argentina and Gaston especially.

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 09:26 AM
Choupi, I decided to move the post here.

Gaston will play today in Düsseldorf.

Monday May 16
Play begins at 12 P.M.

Center Court I
Red Group: ARG v. FRA

G. Gaudio v. S. Grosjean
G. Coria v. M. Llodra
Maybe we could start a special thread for it but I'm lacking inspiration for the title...George, as you always have good ideas...

Betty
05-16-2005, 09:30 AM
Maybe we could start a special thread for it but I'm lacking inspiration for the title...George, as you always have good ideas...

hey George U have had a good ispiration for the title ;) :p
hope our boy will do well :)

Choupi
05-16-2005, 10:51 AM
Thanks for moving the post. And I see that I'm not alone to lack inspiration today... ;)

Good luck Argentina, even against my Frenchies! With a bit of luck, I should be able to see the matches! :D

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 11:05 AM
Grosjean has been replaced by Clement.

Choupi
05-16-2005, 11:09 AM
Thanks for the info, and great title! :D

Betty
05-16-2005, 11:10 AM
well comeback to George's ispiration ;)

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 11:11 AM
DAMN IT! i forgot wtc was on :D but luckily i just turned on sky and only most two games

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 11:13 AM
I am forgetting a lot of things joe.

Betty
05-16-2005, 11:27 AM
but where is possibile see the match :confused: on sky no, on Antenne 2 maybe?

sigmagirl91
05-16-2005, 12:02 PM
Go Gaston. Win a few for us.

*Ljubica*
05-16-2005, 12:06 PM
I love the title of this thread :devil:

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Rosie, have you ever been to the surbiton event before?

Choupi
05-16-2005, 12:23 PM
Betty, I have it on Paris 1ère. :)

Choupi
05-16-2005, 12:47 PM
Gaston has finally broken Arnaud. He's leading 4/3. I hope he holds his serve. :)

Choupi
05-16-2005, 12:57 PM
1st set for Gaston 6/4. :D

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 12:59 PM
Are you sure Choupi? Did you tape this?

*Ljubica*
05-16-2005, 01:04 PM
Rosie, have you ever been to the surbiton event before?

Sorry - no Joe - I have never been to Surbiton. My dislike of grass means I tend to avoid grass court tourneys as much as possible, preferring clay or hard surfaces instead - so I've been to smaller tourneys abroad such as Stuttgart and Munich on clay - but never Surbiton - sorry!

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 01:05 PM
Sorry - no Joe - I have never been to Surbiton. My dislike of grass means I tend to avoid grass court tourneys as much as possible, preferring clay or hard surfaces instead - so I've been to smaller tourneys abroad such as Stuttgart and Munich on clay - but never Surbiton - sorry!

One day you are going to go to some real tournaments as well. :p

Choupi
05-16-2005, 01:21 PM
Are you sure Choupi? Did you tape this?
Of course I'm sure! I'm watching the match! It's 6/4 2/2 now...And no, I'm not taping that match.

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 01:26 PM
Of course I'm sure! I'm watching the match! It's 6/4 2/2 now...And no, I'm not taping that match.

The reason I ask is that it must not be live on your TV.

Choupi
05-16-2005, 01:36 PM
The reason I ask is that it must not be live on your TV.
I was wondering why it was written "live" on the screen, whereas the match was to start at 12pm. Now I know...Sorry if I've brought infos you already had. :confused: But please, don't tell me who's won. I wanna enjoy it, even if not live! ;)

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 01:39 PM
I was wondering why it was written "live" on the screen, whereas the match was to start at 12pm. Now I know...Sorry if I've brought infos you already had. :confused: But please, don't tell me who's won. I wanna enjoy it, even if not live! ;)

Enjoy, but Clement is still someone I don't like, even if he is small.

Choupi
05-16-2005, 01:44 PM
Enjoy, but Clement is still someone I don't like, even if he is small.
Does that mean that being small usually makes you like ppl? :angel:

*Ljubica*
05-16-2005, 01:49 PM
One day you are going to go to some real tournaments as well. :p

OK - sorry I promise that one day I will go to Bastad! Sorry - don't have the correct "accents" to type the name properly on this work computer but you know where I mean!!!!

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 01:52 PM
OK - sorry I promise that one day I will go to Bastad! Sorry - don't have the correct "accents" to type the name properly on this work computer but you know where I mean!!!!

Of course I do and just type ALT 134 and you will have it Båstad and Kitzbhüel are good places that need your patronage.

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 01:54 PM
Does that mean that being small usually makes you like ppl? :angel:

You wish mademoiselle.

Choupi
05-16-2005, 01:58 PM
You wish mademoiselle.
I've already told you, I'm a dreamer! It was too good to be true, I should have known... :rolleyes:

Anyway, the live match, which was in fact a replay is over. And he's won. But not a great performance. And based on how often and how loud he's yelled at himself, he wasn't satisfied at all with his game. Sometimes, he was right, sometimes, I thought it was exaggerated. Yet, what's sure is that he's getting practise for next week. And that can only be a good thing.

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 02:49 PM
One day you are going to go to some real tournaments as well. :p
There are many reasons why i dont go the "real" tournaments, but of course i would like to go. But atm i am happy enough going to any!

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 02:52 PM
There is plenty of time joe, though I could think of worse places to be for summer holidays.

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 02:54 PM
Going to any tournament in the summer is out of the question :( i will be in bed with a chunk cut out of my ass lmao! I have made sure that my operation will be done when i have finished watching all the uk tournaments.
I will have to plan a trip abroad though to some claycourt tournaments sometime.

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 02:55 PM
I meant next summer not this one as I heard about that operation.

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 02:57 PM
You know george, if i had those wimbledon tickets sent to me i could have made hundreds! tickets were selling for 400-1000 (my profit would have paid for a nice trip). but the wankers have put pay to that

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 03:00 PM
You know george, if i had those wimbledon tickets sent to me i could have made hundreds! tickets were selling for 400-1000 (my profit would have paid for a nice trip). but the wankers have put pay to that

Normally I wouldn't support this, but since it's Wimbledon it's alright. :) There are ways around it.

Btw, I noticed your signature where is Acasuso?

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 03:01 PM
Normally I wouldn't support this, but since it's Wimbledon it's alright. :) There are ways around it.

Btw, I noticed your signature where is Acasuso?
I dont buy into "stopping the real fans from getting tickets" i mean, if you are going to make 500£ are you seriously going to consider some tennis fan missing out on a ticket?

I havent seen acasuso yet! :( still not been shown on tv

Corina2605
05-16-2005, 03:04 PM
Anyway, the live match, which was in fact a replay is over. And he's won. But not a great performance. And based on how often and how loud he's yelled at himself, he wasn't satisfied at all with his game. Sometimes, he was right, sometimes, I thought it was exaggerated. Yet, what's sure is that he's getting practise for next week. And that can only be a good thing.


Yes, Gaston didn't play his best tennis today, but this was the first time since November 2004 (Masters Cup) my channels covered a Gaston live match, so I am really, really happy today :) :) :)!!! And the post match interview was a great bonus :).

Let's hope for more Gaston wins this week:)! Vamos!!!

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 03:07 PM
Wow a long time away from viewing gaston! :(

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 03:08 PM
Yes, Gaston didn't play his best tennis today, but this was the first time since November 2004 (Masters Cup) my channels covered a Gaston live match, so I am really, really happy today :) :) :)!!! And the post match interview was a great bonus :).

Let's hope for more Gaston wins this week:)! Vamos!!!

You have been starved of Gaston for too long.

Action Jackson
05-16-2005, 03:10 PM
I dont buy into "stopping the real fans from getting tickets" i mean, if you are going to make 500£ are you seriously going to consider some tennis fan missing out on a ticket?

I havent seen acasuso yet! :( still not been shown on tv

Acasuso is just cool, that's all there is to it. Wimbledon doesn't care for the fans.

joeb_uk
05-16-2005, 03:12 PM
Acasuso is just cool, that's all there is to it. Wimbledon doesn't care for the fans.
There is a guy in my football team who looks just like acasuso! same face, same kind of hairstyles and also same skin colour! He is a real joker though

Choupi
05-16-2005, 03:17 PM
Yes, Gaston didn't play his best tennis today, but this was the first time since November 2004 (Masters Cup) my channels covered a Gaston live match, so I am really, really happy today :) :) :)!!! And the post match interview was a great bonus :).

Let's hope for more Gaston wins this week:)! Vamos!!!
It's there that I'm so happy to have the cable installed. Before, the only tourneys I could see were RG, Berçy and Monte Carlo, before they cut the tv rights! :) And that interview, well, you've been luckier. But of course, He has defeated a French guy. So I suppose it's part of the game, the well-spread French tv favouritism... :rolleyes:

Betty
05-16-2005, 07:40 PM
You wish mademoiselle.

yes our "petite mademoiselle" ;)

Tricky_Forehand
05-16-2005, 10:56 PM
Does anyone know why Willy is playing instead of Gaston tomorrow? I'm hoping it's more about giving Willy a match and nothing wrong with Gaston.

sigmagirl91
05-16-2005, 11:15 PM
Hello, all. Congrats to Gaston for his result today.

Sommarsverige
05-16-2005, 11:19 PM
Congrats for Gaston winning today...

Unfortunately I could not watch his match today (the Swedes were playing at the same time ;) ), but my friends said Gaston played very bad and he seemed to be bored and did not enjoy the match at all.

So maybe this is the reason why Willy will play tomorrow?

Vamos Argentina!!!

Adri
05-17-2005, 01:25 AM
I'm not getting coverage of WTC... which is totally unfair because Fox Sports is only showing it on the Argentine signal, not the Mexican one that I get. Same as last year :sad:... Anyway... Must be happy because Gastón won, even if it wasn't the best performance (as I read on ESPN's site and here), but it would be very nice if Argentina wins this one. VAMOS!!! :clap2:

Leonandy
05-17-2005, 04:57 AM
Oh,new matches?I'm so behind...
Vamos,Argentina and GG!

Choupi
05-17-2005, 07:49 AM
yes our "petite mademoiselle" ;)
Betty, I agree with "petite", I agree with "mademoiselle" but I can't second "our"...I'm nobody's "petite mademoiselle"! :)

Sommar, I can figure out very easily how you must have enjoyed the match you've seen! :D and precisely why you've enjoyed it so much! ;) Keep on having fun there...

Betty
05-17-2005, 10:28 AM
Betty, I agree with "petite", I agree with "mademoiselle" but I can't second "our"...I'm nobody's "petite mademoiselle"! :)
.

Are U sure? :aplot: :aplot:

Choupi
05-17-2005, 10:41 AM
Are U sure? :aplot: :aplot:
As far as I know...yes! :)

Betty
05-17-2005, 10:52 AM
As far as I know...yes! :)

so I know more thing about "yourself" than U :lol:

Choupi
05-17-2005, 10:58 AM
so I know more thing about "yourself" than U :lol:
Well I'm impressed Betty...

Betty
05-17-2005, 11:23 AM
I'm worry for Tay..... where are U?Hope all go well
Choupi do U have any news?

Choupi
05-17-2005, 11:25 AM
No more news than you Betty. She's got no time during the weekend to come here. And I hope it's only because she's busy at work that she doesn't post here during the week. Tay, if you're around, make us a sign... :)

Vale
05-17-2005, 05:28 PM
Hi guys! Today I'm not going to post anything I've written. Rather, I want to share with you an Open Letter to Gastón written by Annie, a girl from California currently living in Amsterdam, which she sent to the Yahoo GastónGaudioClub in English. She gave me permission to post it, and I know you'll love it! :worship:

If I could speak to Gastón myself, this is what I would say to him:

1- You deserved RG 2004, or you would not have won. Including the
final, remember that cramping and getting nervous are all real parts
of tennis. You cannot say that it doesn't count because one person
was more nervous or more cramped or more tired or more injured than
the other. Mind and body can only take so much pressure, only so
many matches in a part of the season, etc. Everyone makes choices;
your mental and physical and emotional choices over the years,
fortnight and final minutes led you to win. You won all those long
matches in a row to win RG, and nothing will ever change the fact
that you displayed the consistent excellence to win RG.

When you hear anyone say different, then ignore them. You won. Some
other people may be jealous, hurt, disappointed in their own lives,
angry, or eager to make your achievements sound smaller. With their
negative words they make themselves small; your achievements remain
enormous.

2- You are allowed to feel however you feel -- including embarrassed
to be losing a set or match against someone ranked far below you.
But those feelings do not benefit your game. Better to remember that
men's tennis is incredibly deep: anyone in the top 100+ can beat
anyone in the top 100+, on the day. It is never a shame to lose in
these circumstances. Anyone can have a brilliant set or match.
Respect the incredibly high level of any of your colleagues who get
far enough to play against you, and try to be a little less
ridiculously hard on yourself!

3- You do not need to be playing perfect tennis before RG. No one
ever plays perfect tennis. It would be helpful, though, if you could
maybe arrange to stop torturing yourself.

4- You can lose in the first round 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 -- and you will
still be the real thing, the 2004 champion. You will still be in the
top 20, with wonderful seedings for your upcoming tournaments. You
will still be cute or whatever, and those who matter will all still
love you.

5- They cannot take away your birthday.

If the pressure is too much the way you are aproaching it, drop the
pressure and just go to Paris for the fun of the it, for the joy and
unpredictable drama of clay tennis, for the pleasure of a lovely
city, for however far you do or don't get. I don't know, but seems
like maybe that's what other past champs eventually had to learn to
do -- Kuerten, Ferrero, Costa . . . one win (or loss) at a time,
nothing to lose. Drop all expectations and have fun. Life is too
short to stress out and get injured. The real magical moments of
inspired playing come when you are relaxed and open to it -- not when
you attempt to force it.

Put things a bit into perspective. We fans will be impressed with
your tennis even when you play your worst. Tennis is like a circus:
a bunch of guys performing daily miracles. We fans are simply blown
away that you can ever return a serve at professional speeds (I
couldn't!) and that you reached that shot on the run and it went in.
You take our breath away with your miracles, even when you play
badly. And with each round, half of you must lose! We were there to
watch two of you run and do amazing things. You have not
disappointed us too much when you happen to be the one who loses; we
still got to see the great heart going for impossible shots, so we
were still inspired. Please don't bother to be embarrassed. The
world is already glad you played.

Look at the stars in the night sky, and remember how small and
insignificant this all is.

This is all easy for me to say! It's always easier to give advice
about someone else's challenges in life. Now if I could just deal
with my own challenges . . .

Thanks for playing tennis.

Valor, y al toro!

Annie in Amsterdam

Ann S. Burgoyne
annsburgoyne@yahoo.com

Adri
05-18-2005, 02:29 AM
Thanks for posting that! And give my thanks to the girl who let you post it here ;) I agree with her points... mostly what I always want to say or express but can't find the words (I have that problem!)

Well, in answer to my own question of why Gastón didn't play singles today, is because he played doubles with Chela. Saw it on the news. Unfortunately they lost, but Argentina had the 2 points already so no problem there. Tomorrow against Chile... that will be interesting and tought o f course because of all the history of rivalry between these two teams. I don't agree with that, but I'm not a fan of the Chilean players :devil: so VAMOS ARGENTINA!!! :bounce:!!!

sonatinca
05-18-2005, 12:29 PM
Great post! It's just what I always wanted to say: no matter what will happen on RG or any other tournament we will still love Gaston and his game :hug:

taysbest
05-18-2005, 01:16 PM
No more news than you Betty. She's got no time during the weekend to come here. And I hope it's only because she's busy at work that she doesn't post here during the week. Tay, if you're around, make us a sign... :)
I'm back!!
The baby didn't co operate and wouldn't tell us if it's a girl or boy- but I think it's a girl since the heart rate was 176/minute.

Thanks for thinking of me! I'll try to scan the pic in to show anyone who wants to see it. I have a great pic of the face and arms and one of the feet.

Glad to be back by the way!

*Ljubica*
05-18-2005, 01:27 PM
I'm back!!
The baby didn't co operate and wouldn't tell us if it's a girl or boy- but I think it's a girl since the heart rate was 176/minute.

Thanks for thinking of me! I'll try to scan the pic in to show anyone who wants to see it. I have a great pic of the face and arms and one of the feet.

Glad to be back by the way!

Nice to see you back and glad everything is OK :) Would love to see your scan picture if you choose to share it with us.

Vale
05-18-2005, 05:40 PM
Thanks for posting that! And give my thanks to the girl who let you post it here ;) I agree with her points... mostly what I always want to say or express but can't find the words (I have that problem!)
I’m glad you liked Annie’s open letter to Gastón. I thought it was great! :worship: It was written in response to my post “Why does he lose?” and I posted it without mentioning that reference. My thoughts were only for fan consumption, but Annie is worried least her message seems presumptious. She wrote me saying “If I were Gastón, I would hate to have some fan psycho-analyzing me as if she knew me. What a presumption!”. I’m sure nobody thinks anything of the sort, but she wants to set it in the proper context and asked me to post this:

I just want to clarify something. My "open letter" to Gastón Gaudio was NOT written in response to anything that I might personally know about what's going on in his mind. I don't know him; I know nothing.

Instead, my "open letter" is responding to Val's very interesting comments: "Why does he lose?" Val's message gave a startling list of ideas of all the extra pressures Gastón Gaudio may be under as he goes into RG 2005.

This was written after his loss in Hamburg to Belgian Christophe Rochus, who loves clay and who is in top form (as is his little brother.)

I suspect that if there is anything useful in my "open letter," then it is already what Gastón tells himself, and is already what his coach and family and friends tell him. He knows what he's doing.

I agree with many of you that enjoying life is more important than winning, and that bad days are a normal part of life. I also think that winning is more likely when one relaxes and enjoys. Win or lose, the old song is "I love Paris in the Springtime!"

Have fun,
Annie in Amsterdam

Choupi
05-18-2005, 07:00 PM
I'm back!!
The baby didn't co operate and wouldn't tell us if it's a girl or boy- but I think it's a girl since the heart rate was 176/minute.

Thanks for thinking of me! I'll try to scan the pic in to show anyone who wants to see it. I have a great pic of the face and arms and one of the feet.

Glad to be back by the way!
And glad that you're back among us! Both the mum and the baby are ok so that's everything that really counts! :D I'd love to see the pic if you don't mind sharing it here with us...

Vale
05-18-2005, 08:54 PM
VAMOS GASTON TOMORROW!!!! SHOW HIM WHO'S THE BOSS! :angel:

sigmagirl91
05-19-2005, 01:51 AM
I'm back!!
The baby didn't co operate and wouldn't tell us if it's a girl or boy- but I think it's a girl since the heart rate was 176/minute.

Thanks for thinking of me! I'll try to scan the pic in to show anyone who wants to see it. I have a great pic of the face and arms and one of the feet.

Glad to be back by the way!

Welcome back. I was thinking of you. Oh, well....next visit, right?

Adri
05-19-2005, 02:03 AM
Glad to hear you and baby are fine, Tay :hug:! Me is very glad :p!!! And don't hesitate of showing us the picture whenever you can :D!

As for tomorrow: VAMOS ARGENTINA!!! [too bad I can't see it on TV :sad:]

taysbest
05-19-2005, 12:22 PM
I'll try to scan the pic in tonight and post it. I'll be glad to share! :D

sonatinca
05-19-2005, 12:27 PM
Came here to feel some support. I'm surrounded by Gonzo fans, it's terrible!
Gaston 1-3

sonatinca
05-19-2005, 12:54 PM
Gaston took 5 games in a row and won the first set!!! Well done, Gasti!!!!

*Ljubica*
05-19-2005, 01:00 PM
Gaston took 5 games in a row and won the first set!!! Well done, Gasti!!!!

Congrats Gaston :) I am trying to follow the scores on the tournament thread, but I am at work now so it's not easy to be on the computer all the time.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 01:02 PM
Gonzo fans are fine and I won't badmouth Gonzo, but it's the ones who don't like Gaudio but cheering for Gonzo, but whine when someone else does it to a player they like that are the problematic ones.

*Ljubica*
05-19-2005, 01:04 PM
Gonzo fans are fine and I won't badmouth Gonzo, but it's the ones who don't like Gaudio but cheering for Gonzo, but whine when someone else does it to a player they like that are the problematic ones.

You mean Weasel trolls :angel:

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 01:05 PM
You mean Weasel trolls :angel:

A few fit that category, but they aren't the main ones.

sonatinca
05-19-2005, 01:21 PM
Gonzo fans are fine and I won't badmouth Gonzo, but it's the ones who don't like Gaudio but cheering for Gonzo, but whine when someone else does it to a player they like that are the problematic ones.
I didnt mean Gonzo fans are bad, just it was quite hard for me in the beginning of the match to see their emotions. But now they are crying on my sholder and I dont know what to say :rolleyes:

Vale
05-19-2005, 01:35 PM
MAESTRO!!! :worship:
6-4, 6-2, in just 1:24 h, playing great tennis, 80% of break points won! This will be great for his confidence! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Betty
05-19-2005, 01:38 PM
very good news :clap2: :woohoo: :woohoo: :banana: :banana:

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 01:41 PM
Very good performance now translate that to the arena that really counts.

*Ljubica*
05-19-2005, 01:41 PM
:worship: Congrats Gaston :worship:

sonatinca
05-19-2005, 01:49 PM
Great win! Hope i'll see this match after my friend will make a copy for me ;)

Choupi
05-19-2005, 02:13 PM
Well done Gaston. But to tell the truth, I'm more looking forward to next week! ;)

User id 7816
05-19-2005, 04:38 PM
been saving energy in the last week for the big one and havent been around much, seems like Gaston won some matches for the team, well thats not surprising i guess;)

Vale
05-19-2005, 04:40 PM
Well done Gaston. But to tell the truth, I'm more looking forward to next week! ;)
Even if we don't give this championship much importance, I think Gastón's win IS important. The midget conveniently bowed out of the trickiest series, leaving the responsibility if there was a defeat to G. and C., and if they won he could come back in splendour for the final. And here Gastón has shown González who's boss, playing great tennis in the second set, beating him for the third time without conceding a set, when the Chilean media have been very unpleasant claiming that González had the triumph assured against Gaudio as he's playing today! :devil:
I'm also thrilled with Cañas's win because Massú pulled a Coria, pretending to be injured only to come back running like crazy and winning the second set before a disconcerted Cañas. When they shook hands after the match he attempted to explain, but Cañas was very angry indeed and told him so. I wonder if the scene in the locker room was similar to Hamburg 2003? ;)

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 04:44 PM
I see someone is letting the Chileans irritate them.

As for the weasel well I don't think he has done anything that is too surprising or something to be condemned for especially as the 2 guys who represented Argentina are fine by me and I prefer them plus Cañas needs the matches more than what weasel does.

Next week counts not Saturday.

Choupi
05-19-2005, 04:53 PM
Even if we don't give this championship much importance, I think Gastón's win IS important.
Vale, my post was only meant to say that I'm more looking towards next week, and I guess that everybody around here precisely knows why now. But it wasn't meant to say that I thought that Gaston's win was useless or unimportant. :)

Vale
05-19-2005, 05:36 PM
I see someone is letting the Chileans irritate them.
That's not the point at all, because I've always tried to give all of you a fair picture of what's happening and whether I'm irritated or not has nothing to do with my reporting.
Fact: The Chilean papers have been gloating, which makes these wins all the sweeter.
Fact: Massú (apparently) did a "Gran Coria" which really pissed Cañas off, and luckily he was strong enough to go out and win anyway.
Fact: These two Chilean players have been frequently accused by several players of the ATP circuit of crowing over their rivals' errors. (Clarín today).

That, added to the disgraceful way the Chilean public and González behaved during the Viña tournament, makes us Argentines enjoy beating them today all the more ;)

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 05:45 PM
That's not the point at all, because I've always tried to give all of you a fair picture of what's happening and whether I'm irritated or not has nothing to do with my reporting.
Fact: The Chilean papers have been gloating, which makes these wins all the sweeter.
Fact: Massú (apparently) did a "Gran Coria" which really pissed Cañas off, and luckily he was strong enough to go out and win anyway.
Fact: These two Chilean players have been frequently accused by several players of the ATP circuit of crowing over their rivals' errors. (Clarín today).

That, added to the disgraceful way the Chilean public and González behaved during the Viña tournament, makes us Argentines enjoy beating them today all the more ;)

When I did say any irritation affected the reporting? Never, but Chile vs Argentina is never about just another match in any sport.

I don't have a problem with Chileans or Argentinians and I'll keep it that way. One form of gloating isn't any better than another it's still gloating though in some cases it's understandable.

It's crowds in South America and if any Argentine should be pissed off with the Chilean crowds it's Zabaleta, Cañas is a tough guy and showed that many times.

TennisLurker
05-19-2005, 05:58 PM
so, Coria and Gaudio are not friends....

Now I dont have time, later I translate if Vale or someone else doesnt do it.

No son amigos y, cada vez que pueden, lo repiten a los cuatro vientos. Gastón Gaudio de un lado, Guillermo Coria del otro. Argentinos, competitivos al extremo y, como si fuera poco, dos de los mejores jugadores del mundo. Sí, la verdad e suna: no se quieren ni medio. Y quedó una vez más demostrado en Duesseldorf, donde se desarrolla la Copa del Mundo y, curiosamente, Argentina logró el pase a la final tras superar a Chile. ¿Qué pasó? Gaudio hizo un comentario (sin identificar a nadie) que tenía como destinatario Coria: "Me cansé, hay que decir la verdad, esto no es un equipo, porque hay alguien que toma las decisiones eligiendo lo mejor para él", dijo.

Obvio, todos quedaron con la boca abierta. El actual campeón de Roland Garros del año pasado, que se impuso en la final justamente a Coria, protestó por el hecho de que su compañero, capitán del equipo en Duesseldorf, decidiera no jugar "el partido más importante de esta ronda" contra Chile, afirmando que estaba cansado.

El lugar de Coria debió ser ocupado por Guillermo Cañas, en el partido contra Nicolás Massú, "pese a que está casi afiebrado-insistió Gaudio_. Entiendo que un jugador esté cansado y de cara a Roland Garros decida descansar, yo también lo hice, pero no en el partido más importante. Pero las decisiones acá no se toman por el conjunto del equipo, son unipersonales", agregó Gaudio, que no cuestionó el sistema de rotación aplicado en el torneo, pero sí la forma en cómo se toman las decisiones.

De círculos allegados al equipo argentino, integrado además de Coria, Gaudio y Cañas también por Juan Ignacio Chela, trascendió (según AP) que en la víspera al partido de hoy "todos los jugadores le pidieron a Coria que jugara ante Chile, pero este remitió a su fisioterapeuta, Iván Gutiérrez, con el resultado de que hoy no jugó".

Además, las molestias fueron porque Coria no fue a presenciar hoy los partidos con los que Gaudio y Cañas alcanzaron el pase a la final.

Coria jugó sus dos primeros partidos individuales ante el francés Michael Llodra y el checo Jiri Novak -"eran los más fáciles, sin desmerecer a los rivales", dijo Gaudio-, mientras que el campeón de Roland Garros se enfrentó al francés Arnaud Clement, descansó ante el checo Tomas Berdych y volvió a jugar hoy ante el chileno Fernando González, quien venía con una racha de 15 partido invictos en este torneo.

Cañas jugó contra Berdych y hoy contra Nicolás Massú. Además, Gaudio y Cañas jugaron un partido de dobles cada uno, junto a Chela. Todos los partidos fueron ganados.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 05:59 PM
Gracias señor Lurker, it's good to have confirmation that they won't be going out together too much.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 06:03 PM
I did the babelfish thing and it seems Vale was right that someone went MIA ( Missing in Action) when the toughest matches were and it wasn't Cañas, Juan Ignacio Blonde or Gaudio.

Choupi
05-19-2005, 06:13 PM
That, added to the disgraceful way the Chilean public and González behaved during the Viña tournament, makes us Argentines enjoy beating them today all the more ;)
So congratulations my dear Vale! ;) Enjoy this moment the best you can! :D

Vale
05-19-2005, 06:21 PM
THIS IS THE DAY THE SHIT HIT THE FAN!!! :devil: :p

I'm trying to translate the Nación article which is similar to Tennis's and doing some work in between!

Gastón said all those things during the press conference! :eek:

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 06:23 PM
THIS IS THE DAY THE SHIT HIT THE FAN!!! :devil: :p

I'm trying to translate the Nación article which is similar to Tennis's and doing some work in between!

Gastón said all those things during the press conference! :eek:

You mean what Lurker put there was in the press conference and I eagerly await for a real translation.

TennisLurker
05-19-2005, 06:24 PM
Gaudio said, thsi is not a real team, all the players wanted Coria to play against Chile, but he refused, also Coria did not watch the matches of Gaston and Chela today.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 06:25 PM
Gaudio said, thi is not a real team, all the players wanted Coria to play against Chile, but he refused, also Coria did not watch the matches of Gaston and Chela today.

The second one not watching his teammates play is worse than the first one.

Choupi
05-19-2005, 06:25 PM
THIS IS THE DAY THE SHIT HIT THE FAN!!! :devil: :p

I'm trying to translate the Nación article which is similar to Tennis's and doing some work in between!

Gastón said all those things during the press conference! :eek:
I'm already looking forward to your translation Vale. Sounds appetizing! :D

alexito
05-19-2005, 06:41 PM
nobody love coria. all players don't like coria.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 06:46 PM
Not watching the teammates play is very poor.

Aguante_el_Gato
05-19-2005, 06:46 PM
is poor, but consider that as something provisory ;) (done in Internet, with small corrections)
In the press conference after his match against the Chilean Fernando González, he complained the unipersonal decisions of Coria, but he didn't mention by his name. "I got tired, it is necessary to say the truth, this is not a team, because somebody makes the decisions choosing the best thing for him", he said.
The present champion of Roland Garros protested by the fact that his companion, captain of the team in Düsseldorf, decided not to play "the most important match of this round" against Chile, affirming that he was tired.
The place of Coria had to be occupied by Guillermo Cañas, in the match against Nicholas Massú, "although he (cañas) is almost feverish".
"I understand that a player is tired and facing Roland Garros decides to rest, I also did it, but not in the most important match ", Gaudio said.
"But the decisions are not taken here by the complete team, they are unipersonal ", Gaudio added, that he did not question the system of rotation applied in the Cup, but the form in how the dispositions are taken.
He extended that in the eve to the today match "all the players requested Coria to play against Chile, but he sent his fisioterapeuta, Iván Gutierrez, who said "today he will not play ".
In addition, Coria was not present at the matches which Gaudio and Cañas reached the final.
Coria played his two first individual matches before the French Open, against Michael Llodra and the Czech Jiri Novak, about that Gaudio affirmed that "they were easiest, -without despising the rivals ".

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 06:48 PM
I read that, but Vale does a great job with them, but I understand his sentiments.

Choupi
05-19-2005, 06:54 PM
Thanks for the internet translation but I always prefer human translation. :) And, as George said, Vale is a gem at it! :D

Aguante_el_Gato
05-19-2005, 06:57 PM
Thanks for the internet translation but I always prefer human translation. :) And, as George said, Vale is a gem at it! :D
:yeah: that's why I said that this translation is poor and provisory ;)

Truc
05-19-2005, 08:40 PM
(.)

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:44 PM
A very simple solution would have been to play Chela or Cañas in the early matches and let Coria just play 1 singles match and a doubles match and that would be good enough.

Choupi
05-19-2005, 08:46 PM
Thanks for the interesting article. I know I'm unwelcome here, but I'm reading in this sub too because I really like Gaudio and I just wanted to say something about the article.
I totally can understand Gaudio's point, but it's a little bit hypocritical to say now they all were expecting Coria to play today. They perfectly knew that this was going to happen, they knew Coria wasn't going to play all the single matches.
And Coria wasn't there today, it's true, but I never saw the other argentinian players watching their teammates during the first encounters neither. This is something I've noticed since the first day of the event. When the other teams were playing we always saw the other players cheering in the crowd, but never when the argentinian team was playing.
It's not so much a question of being unwelcome here. It's just that many of us here are more than fed up with those everlasting quarrels over what is going on between Gaudio and Coria. If you do want to discuss about it, I mean seriously, with ppl who are trully interested in entering the debate, check this link.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=37664

I think you'll have a blast. And please, don't feel offended at all. But I hope you get why I'm sending you back over the GMs. :)

Truc
05-19-2005, 08:50 PM
No problem, Choupi. Actually I wanted to edit my post because I just saw the thread in GM. I didn't know this has been already discussed in GM, really. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted this here.

Congrats to Gaudio for his wonderful match today, it was a joy to watch him playing like this.

Choupi
05-19-2005, 08:51 PM
No problem, Choupi. Actually I wanted to edit my post because I just saw the thread in GM. I didn't know this has been already discussed in GM, really. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted this here.

Thanks for your understanding. :)

Sommarsverige
05-19-2005, 11:20 PM
Not watching the teammates play is very poor.

This is definitely not true. The whole team - and here I really mean the whole team including Coria - was watching Willys match. Really everyone was there, and as I have seen the match myself, I really can confirm that they were watching the match.

And just one thing: the other days, nobody was watching the others play. So not only Guille wasn´t there, but the other argentines did not watch the matches of their team mates either....

So, VAMOS ARGENTINA in the final ;)

Action Jackson
05-20-2005, 11:27 AM
This is definitely not true. The whole team - and here I really mean the whole team including Coria - was watching Willys match. Really everyone was there, and as I have seen the match myself, I really can confirm that they were watching the match.

And just one thing: the other days, nobody was watching the others play. So not only Guille wasn´t there, but the other argentines did not watch the matches of their team mates either....

So, VAMOS ARGENTINA in the final ;)

I never said either way whether it was true or not, but not watching the teammates play is poor whoever does it.

Vale
05-21-2005, 01:05 AM
Final:

Coria-Mayer
Gaudio-Haas
Cañas/Chela- ?

Even if we don´t give this competition much importance, I hope Gastón plays well and feels satisfied with his game before he leaves for his big appointment in Paris.
Did I tell you that I finally saw his match against González? He was playing great in the second set, González just shrank out of respect.
VAMOS GASTON!!! :D

Choupi
05-21-2005, 09:09 AM
Yes, Vamos Gaston. And with a bit of luck, I'll be able to see that match! That's gonna be the only one I could see, along with the one vs Clément... :)

Choupi
05-21-2005, 02:50 PM
I've seen the match. Final score 6/4 6/3 for Haas. Well, I've missed the end of the match because our commentators have lost contact with the images at 5/2 in the 2nd set. Haas has played a great match. Gaston has made some errors at very important times. Not much to be blamed for though...the match has been tight. There was no real boss on the court before the middle of the 2nd set. Time for Parisian adventures now! :D

Vale
05-21-2005, 09:27 PM
I also saw the match. It was pretty close in the first set, but Gastón´s serve wasn´t working and I thought his forehand wasn´t as accurate as other times. :( I´m sorry he lost, and Coria again had the easier match. Anyway, as I wasn´t all that interested in who won the cup I was delighted when the "Saviour" Coria lost the doubles. Catty! :p
Our TV commentator thought Gastón showed lack of concentration, which is very likely: they had a private plane waiting to take them to Paris, press conferences and interviews awaiting him there, and he´d probably just said goodbye to his gf too.
Anyway, Düsseldorf is over, and now comes the big one!!! I know we´re all together wishing Gastón luck and success in Paris, we are the Force sending him strength!!! :D

Sommarsverige
05-21-2005, 11:39 PM
I am finally back from Duesseldorf and it has been a great week.
I cannot understand why everyone here on mtf makes this tourney so negative... :confused: Okay, of course I know that it is not an important one compared to RG or other big ones, but for the people who ever have been there, this is the greatest tournament in the year :) And I am sure this is also the reason, why so many big players come every year to this unimportant tournament...
It´s a great venue, wonderful familiar atmosphere, nice people and at this tourney, the real fans stand in the focus and not the people who only come for eating caviar and drinking champagne... :(

Okay, I just wanted to tell this, but now to the final.
I must say that I am still quite disappointed that Argentina lost the final, cos I never thought Gaston would loose against Haas. Well, as Vale already wrote, it was very close in the 1st set, and I don´t know really what happened then.

Gaston was so frustrated and we hoped so much he would come back after he crashed his racket (cos this was the same situation in Hamburg and after this, he won the match against Costa there), but unfortunately he did not.

Gaston was very, very disappointed about this loss and while the rest of the team was joking and laughing during the price ceremony, Gaston was very quite and serious.

But now on to Paris and I wish him all the best there ;)

Choupi
05-22-2005, 09:20 AM
Anyway, as I wasn´t all that interested in who won the cup I was delighted when the "Saviour" Coria lost the doubles. Catty! :p

I've had the chance to see a part of the doubles match. It's been a nice lesson for the Argentine team. Waske/Haas are perfect playing doubles. Really enjoyable to see! But I've laughed at Coria, not because he was losing -keep in mind I was rooting for Argentina, no matter who was on the court!- but because I saw him jump of joy after making a point! :D It's not really sthg usual for him to demonstrate that way. And it trully shows you how difficult it was for the Argentine team to win a game! :rolleyes:


Sommar, thanks for your reviews here of the WTC, that so unimportant tourney which draws good players to Düsseldorf right before RG! ;)