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ATP Masters Hamburg : May 10 (Day 2)

36908
05-10-2005, 01:53 AM
Let's see if these parlays will work later today : :devil:

Coria x Agassi x Nalbandian
Coria x Safin x Agassi x Nalbandian
Coria x Safin x Agassi x Nalbandian x Mirnyi

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 02:47 AM
Let's see if these parlays will work later today : :devil:

Coria x Agassi x Nalbandian
Coria x Safin x Agassi x Nalbandian
Coria x Safin x Agassi x Nalbandian x Mirnyi

lol...

1. why take Mirnyi, when you can have Hrbaty? :shrug:
2. is Safin such a sure thing against an in-form Martin?
3. you don't think old man Andre or Coria might be a little tired? - granted they'll probably win, but be careful taking players who are backing up from matches late last week. Look what happened to Robredo and Gaudio... and why do you think Nadal withdrew? ;)

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 02:51 AM
I think the sure things are:

Ferrer x Gaudio x Novak x Canas x Nalbandian x Gonzalez @ 3.10

Hrbaty to beat Haas @ 2.20
Seppi over Schuettler @ 1.60

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 02:55 AM
Let's see if these parlays will work later today : :devil:

Coria x Agassi x Nalbandian
Coria x Safin x Agassi x Nalbandian
Coria x Safin x Agassi x Nalbandian x Mirnyi


dude, if coria or agassi loses, u lose the lot :confused:

and to be honest agassi has a real chance of losing given hamburg is not one of his fav tournaments, a tank is a possibility

fisherking
05-10-2005, 03:06 AM
Favs:
Puerta over Oli Rochus (~1.44)
Puerta is - in my eyes - much better claycourter than Rochus and he simple needs more games on european clay after such surprising trip to Houston he made. Easy qualie round shouldn't be enough, especially that Oli Rochus seems to be far from his top-form he showed at the beginning of the season.
Beside he's the man who lives from opponent's UE's and I don't think Puerta is a player who is very generous in this aspect of the game.

Gonzo over Mathieu - don't know odds yet, cause Mathieu replaced Moya in the draw
Mathieu is a lucky looser and he prooved in quallie he thinks about French Open already. Very poor play, while Gonzo was the man who (except Nadal of course) was the nearest to beat Coria in Rome.

Hosts:
I usully avoid to bet against hosts in 1st round and I'm going to continue here. That's why I'm not betting on Hrbaty (against Haas) and Seppi (against Schuettler), but both of them look much better last weeks than German's players.

Upset
Santoro over Canas. Yes, maybe Canas is a fav here, but bookies give him 80%!!! Don't have any idea why. Santoro is very experienced players, not a long ago he achievd the final in well-seeded challenger in Tunis and a week ago (in Rome) he defeated Nalbandian.

And I'm not betting against Marat tomorrow. Rolland Garros is behind the corner, so it's high time to wake up. He is able to achieved good results on clay, and last week he lost to Almagro but the main reason was slight injury of his knee there. If he is full fit here he should win, but "should" means it's the first bet st skip here.

And Mirnyi - Costa game - probably the best for in-running betting, if you have time.

good luck with your bets

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 03:08 AM
dude, if coria or agassi loses, u lose the lot :confused:

and to be honest agassi has a real chance of losing given hamburg is not one of his fav tournaments, a tank is a possibility
I think it's best we leave him mate... without folks of his sort, there would be no money for the rest of us to make :sad:.

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 03:19 AM
Favs:
Santoro over Canas. Yes, maybe Canas is a fav here, but bookies give him 80%!!! Don't have any idea why. Santoro is very experienced players, not a long ago he achievd the final in well-seeded challenger in Tunis and a week ago (in Rome) he defeated Nalbandian.

Bandy choked in that match, and was fatigued from the title he won 2 days beforehand - so don't read into that too much. And Santoro sure backed up that match with a good performance against the clay master - grandpa sanguinetti. On the other hand, Canas schooled Pavel and Monaco - both players who would also school Santoro.

Don't go against Willie.

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 03:30 AM
LOL!!! tomorrow we get to look forward to Kuerten v Robredo - that will be one huge mess.

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 03:34 AM
LOL!!! tomorrow we get to look forward to Kuerten v Robredo - that will be one huge mess.


what do you mean?

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 03:44 AM
what do you mean?
Robredo is coming off his 0 and 1 loss to Bennez and his escape against Waske, while Kuerten has been bs all season. one to avoid if you ask me.

fisherking
05-10-2005, 03:48 AM
Thnks for Your thoughts its.like.that but I still have slightly different opinion.
You mentioned Pavel and Monaco. Pavel yesterday won 3 games against Guga, while Monaco noticed his only good performance this season a month ago in Casablanca.
Besides, Santoro not a long ago played very close game against top-10 claycourter in my opinion, Zabaleta.

I agree that Willie is a fav here, but bookies give him 80%, a bit too much I believe.

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 03:49 AM
One play for me so far:

Single Martin to beat Safin - $2.80

Too hard to pass up the great odds

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 03:53 AM
Good analysis fisher,

I agree with puerta, after his tom foolery in Houston back in europe he should be sweet.

Gonzo looks special against mathi as well

Not sure on santor as yet, best is no bet at this stage

fisherking
05-10-2005, 03:57 AM
One play for me so far:

Single Martin to beat Safin - $2.80

Too hard to pass up the great odds

thanks bad gambler ;)

about Safin...
A week ago Marat had a problem with his knee, that's why he has withdrawed frm double draw and pobably main reason easy lost to Almagro, I have read everything it's ok now, so in my eyes Marat should win", but if he "should" it means that this bet is to skip imo.

36908
05-10-2005, 04:02 AM
dude, if coria or agassi loses, u lose the lot :confused:

and to be honest agassi has a real chance of losing given hamburg is not one of his fav tournaments, a tank is a possibility

Thanks for the warning.
Good advise. Heeded.
(although i doubt the baldy will go dwn at Rd 1 like the f Roddick) :mad:

Let's try this then :

Novak x Nalbandian

AceMaan
05-10-2005, 04:07 AM
Safety Shot for today.....

Ferrer-Agassi-Nalbandian-Gaudio @1.8

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 04:08 AM
One play for me so far:

Single Martin to beat Safin - $2.80

Too hard to pass up the great odds

Another single for me is Pretty boy lopez to beat Agassi, I will confirm the odds I get later :)

36908
05-10-2005, 04:10 AM
lol...

1. why take Mirnyi, when you can have Hrbaty? :shrug:
2. is Safin such a sure thing against an in-form Martin?
3. you don't think old man Andre or Coria might be a little tired? - granted they'll probably win, but be careful taking players who are backing up from matches late last week. Look what happened to Robredo and Gaudio... and why do you think Nadal withdrew? ;)

1. why Mirnyi ? He leads 3-0 H2H. So watch out :worship:
Just look what happen to f Roddick against Massu ? Massu was 1-0 H2H then, now 2-0.
Why not Hrbaty ? Too risky. H2H 2-6 against Tommy "Lee Jones" Haas. Maybe you should try Single, not parlay on him.

2. After f Roddick last nite, this Russian mafia linked Safin will not go dwn well with punters. However, he leads an increadible 6-0 H2H against Alberto "Aston" Martin. :cuckoo:

3. gd pt. Hence backing out on parlay for these 2. Thanks ! :)

AceMaan
05-10-2005, 04:10 AM
Another single for me is Pretty boy lopez to beat Agassi, I will confirm the odds I get later :)

Pretty boy @3.75......damn agassi is suppose to be part of my safety shot.... any last minute tips from you??

36908
05-10-2005, 04:14 AM
I think the sure things are:

Ferrer x Gaudio x Novak x Canas x Nalbandian x Gonzalez @ 3.10

Hrbaty to beat Haas @ 2.20
Seppi over Schuettler @ 1.60


Hmmn, Ferrer not worth the risk . H2H 1-1
Neither is Canas H2H 0-1. Be careful. Juz like f Roddick :mad:

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 04:17 AM
Pretty boy @3.75......damn agassi is suppose to be part of my safety shot.... any last minute tips from you??

small play for me - prima facie agassi should win but for the reason mentioned earlier in this thread I will fade him and take Lopez

but will definitely not throw him in any parlays I play tonight

AceMaan
05-10-2005, 04:17 AM
Hmmn, Ferrer not worth the risk . H2H 1-1
Neither is Canas H2H 0-1. Be careful. Juz like f Roddick :mad:

sometimes player form is more important then head to heads....and Ferrer is in superb form at the moment

36908
05-10-2005, 04:18 AM
I think it's best we leave him mate... without folks of his sort, there would be no money for the rest of us to make :sad:.

hey ... :(
we r here to help each other win $, rite ? :rocker:

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 04:18 AM
hey ... :(
we r here to help each other win $, rite ? :rocker:

so why did you choose the "thumbs down" icon for thsi thread? :confused:

fisherking
05-10-2005, 04:19 AM
Hmmn, Ferrer not worth the risk . H2H 1-1
Neither is Canas H2H 0-1. Be careful. Juz like f Roddick :mad:
Actually I'm with Santoro too but...

well H2H is only part of good analysis; you know ie. Nalbandian has 5-2 against Fedex, Hrbaty 2-0 against Swiss but are you sure You bet against Federer when there would be Bany or Dominik on the second side of the net?

36908
05-10-2005, 04:20 AM
One play for me so far:

Single Martin to beat Safin - $2.80

Too hard to pass up the great odds

Be careful . As I said, H2H Martini is 0-6 !!!
Bookies give such high odds to have you thinking this way

36908
05-10-2005, 04:23 AM
Pretty boy @3.75......damn agassi is suppose to be part of my safety shot.... any last minute tips from you??

The baldy should be safe.
Leads 2-0 H2H :D

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 04:24 AM
Be careful . As I said, H2H Martini is 0-6 !!!
Bookies give such high odds to have you thinking this way

Rule number 2 in betting: Live in the present my friend, not in the past :cool:

36908
05-10-2005, 04:24 AM
so why did you choose the "thumbs down" icon for thsi thread? :confused:


bad mistake. should be a thumbs UP ! :)

AceMaan
05-10-2005, 04:42 AM
Rule number 2 in betting: Live in the present my friend, not in the past :cool:

nicely said.......like i stress earlier on player form is of the utmost importance

DimOK
05-10-2005, 04:47 AM
h2h older then 20 months must be ignored :) So bg is absolutely right :)

For me today simple double Gaudio*Ferrer @ 1.47 looks very nice

fisherking
05-10-2005, 04:47 AM
There are a lot of factors one must take into account when want to make a bet.
You look at their respective lead-up form, noting what sort of players they have lost to or struggled against. Is each player in top form? Is this their favourite surface? Do they have a good record at this event previously? Are they fully fit? What is their head-to-head record? How strong are they motivated? etc...

36908
05-10-2005, 04:55 AM
Rule number 2 in betting: Live in the present my friend, not in the past :cool:


Well.... how do u explain f Roddick and Massu then ? :confused:

36908
05-10-2005, 04:56 AM
There are a lot of factors one must take into account when want to make a bet.
You look at their respective lead-up form, noting what sort of players they have lost to or struggled against. Is each player in top form? Is this their favourite surface? Do they have a good record at this event previously? Are they fully fit? What is their head-to-head record? How strong are they motivated? etc...


true... unfortunately, we can have answers to all these ... otherwise we will all be winners :p

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 04:57 AM
Well.... how do u explain f Roddick and Massu then ? :confused:

were you really suprised by the result?

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 04:59 AM
Final plays for me for the night

Single: Martin to beat Safin - $2.70
Single: Lopez to beat Agassi - $4.10

Parlay: Ferrer x Puerta x Gonzalez - $2.20

Berdych confidence is completely shot at the moment, can't see him getting past the red hot froggy.


Good luck to you all have a great and lucky day :)

36908
05-10-2005, 04:59 AM
were you really suprised by the result?

yup... very tight game :mad:

SwiSha
05-10-2005, 05:01 AM
martin to beat safin
hrbaty to beat haas
seppi to beat schuettler
volandri to beat almagro
ferrer to beat berdych
costa to beat mirnyi
novak to beat scricha
puerta to beat rochus

good luck to all ... i m off to college see ya guys lata :wavey:

fisherking
05-10-2005, 05:04 AM
Well.... how do u explain f Roddick and Massu then ? :confused:
Roddick is (at most) average player on european clay. His best weapon - strong serve is much more important on fast surfaces. Massu had a long break - he was injured, so now after back he is really fresh and I have read, he improves his game play by play. Besides, in his topform he's top-10 claycourter in the whole circuit.

Finns4
05-10-2005, 05:45 AM
WTA FOR ME

Ivanovic OVER GoloviN @1.80
Sugiyama Over Maleeva @1.80

Razzano Over Vento-Kabchi @.150

MENS

puerta x Ferrer 1.80

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 05:50 AM
did someone say WTA??? :unsure:

Ays25
05-10-2005, 06:03 AM
Final plays for me for the night

Single: Martin to beat Safin - $2.70
Single: Lopez to beat Agassi - $4.10

Parlay: Ferrer x Puerta x Gonzalez - $2.20

Berdych confidence is completely shot at the moment, can't see him getting past the red hot froggy.


Good luck to you all have a great and lucky day :)

im completely with you except andre
well lopez has done nothing this season and i think adre is more clay court player than feli whos is more comfortable on hard :confused:
so no single here

and a made a bingo parlay of martin x hrbaty x lopez x monaco the bagel master :D

LESAK
05-10-2005, 07:17 AM
Haas, Puerta, Ferrer & Novak.....

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 08:00 AM
martin to beat safin
hrbaty to beat haas
seppi to beat schuettler
volandri to beat almagro
ferrer to beat berdych
costa to beat mirnyi
novak to beat scricha
puerta to beat rochus

good luck to all ... i m off to college see ya guys lata :wavey:
finally someone with decent tips. enough of this "oh, Ferrer has never won a match on the 10th day of a month, therefore he won't beat Berdych," or "oh, when Canas was 12 he was spooked by a scarecrow, that will come back to haunt him today".

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 08:37 AM
Ferrer x Nalbandian x Gonzalez x Gaudio x Canas x Novak @ 2.70

Hrbaty @ 2.00
Almagro @ 2.20
Seppi @ 1.53
Martin @ 2.75
good man!!! :D

nice tips, and nice parlay by the way ;).

Breaker
05-10-2005, 08:47 AM
Martin - $2.80
Puerta - $1.40
Ferrer x Gonzalez - $1.58

NATAS81
05-10-2005, 08:49 AM
Volandri
Seppi
Agassi
Gaudio
Davydenko
Hrbaty
Gonzo
Ferrer
Coria
Costa
Novak
Martin
Nalbandian
Santoro
Puerta

its.like.that
05-10-2005, 09:12 AM
Volandri
Seppi
Agassi
Gaudio
Davydenko
Hrbaty
Gonzo
Ferrer
Coria
Costa
Novak
Martin
Nalbandian
Santoro
Puerta
im with you on everyone of those pretty much... except for Canas ;), and I want a Safin victory as well. :)

harvey
05-10-2005, 11:36 AM
i'm on hass, and costa singles
agassi, safin, novak, canas parley
we'll see - lucky me avoiding those 10am matches - heartattack city

bad gambler
05-10-2005, 01:05 PM
ferrer, what a parlay killer

adding seppi to beat old legs schuettler - $1.55

Action Jackson
05-10-2005, 01:09 PM
Seppi has to be the tip of the day.

36908
05-10-2005, 02:50 PM
Lopez to kill off the Baldy ... to follow f Roddick back to US :wavey:

36908
05-10-2005, 02:54 PM
sometimes player form is more important then head to heads....and Ferrer is in superb form at the moment

u were saying ... ? :rolleyes:
bye bye Ferrer
bye bye Nalbandian

36908
05-10-2005, 03:02 PM
Go Lopez Go
Go Mirnyi Go :)

gsm
05-10-2005, 03:28 PM
when Canas was 12 he was spooked by a scarecrow, that will come back to haunt him today".

:lol:

36908
05-11-2005, 01:22 AM
Looks like WWIII : with the Germans gunning the Americans down now :devil: