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So, as Nadal wins Monte Carlo and Barcelona back-to-back...

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 06:32 PM
...isn't it nice that the clay season has provided us with a surprising, unpredictable alternative to the fastcourt domination of Federer? As undomiele said in the "Is it me?" thread a month or so back, you can always count upon the clay season to take tennis in a new and unexpected direction.

:p

mandoura
04-24-2005, 06:34 PM
...isn't it nice that the clay season has provided us with a surprising, unpredictable alternative to the fastcourt domination of Federer? As undomiele said in the "Is it me?" thread a month or so back, you can always count upon the clay season to take tennis in a new and unexpected direction.

:p

That is why it is my favorite surface. :)

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 06:39 PM
You miss my point. Federer has a 35-2 record for the year, Nadal a 35-6 one. Federer has five titles, Nadal has four. Between them they have won the first three TMS events of the year plus the two biggest optional events so far. They are the top two in the Champions Race by some way.

The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts; surprise surprise, we're seeing the same player dominate on clay that we saw doing well in big hardcourt events at the AO and Miami. The claycourt season has provided us with a few surprise packages, such as Ferrero's pleasing resurgence of form and the good results of aggressive players such as Gasquet and Sexy Radek, but as of yet (and that has to be emphasised) there are no unexpected floaters winning the big events.

PaulieM
04-24-2005, 06:40 PM
of course, it's lovely to spice things up. fed was so damn boring. i hope nadal never loses again, because worshipping him is way more fun!!
about 8 nadal threads on the first page of GM.... I'm waiting for the first official non-nadal discussion thread! :unsure:

Nacho
04-24-2005, 06:42 PM
if only there were as many clay court tourneys as hard court ones... *sigh*

jole
04-24-2005, 06:43 PM
The change of pace from Nadal winning like this is pleasing, but I am not suprised particularly.

mandoura
04-24-2005, 06:45 PM
You miss my point. Federer has a 35-2 record for the year, Nadal a 35-6 one. Federer has five titles, Nadal has four. Between them they have won the first three TMS events of the year plus the two biggest optional events so far. They are the top two in the Champions Race by some way.

The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts.

Thanks for the clarification. :D

Out of curiosity, in your opinion (which I value a lot along with GWH) which surface's dominance provide a more "all-rounded" player?

tennischick
04-24-2005, 06:47 PM
clay is my favorite surface and i am happy for Nadal. i don't need to invoke Federer's name in order to celebrate Nadal's superb accomplishhment. the need to do so borders on the pathetic IMO. :o

then again i am just as happy that Federer rules. seems i can't lose for winning. :D :wavey:

mandoura
04-24-2005, 06:48 PM
of course, it's lovely to spice things up. fed was so damn boring. i hope nadal never loses again, because worshipping him is way more fun!!
about 8 nadal threads on the first page of GM.... I'm waiting for the first official non-nadal discussion thread! :unsure:

PaulieM, Rogi is still the king. ;)

But I too don't mind Nadal being up there with him. :D

As for the non-Nadal threads, go kill them girl. ;)

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 06:51 PM
Thanks for the clarification.

Out of curiosity, in your opinion (which I value a lot along with GWH) which surface's dominance provide a more "all-rounded" player?

Hard to say. Obviously Nadal will win the majority of his points from the baseline rather than on the serve/at the net, but then considering the slowness of the IW/Miami courts it's not as though Federer was winning most of his matches in the forecourt either. They are both exceptional players who are capable of changing their games under pressure, so in that sense they are both well-rounded despite the differences in their style of play and their best surfaces.

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 06:56 PM
clay is my favorite surface and i am happy for Nadal. i don't need to invoke Federer's name in order to celebrate Nadal's superb accomplishhment. the need to do so borders on the pathetic IMO. :o

then again i am just as happy that Federer rules. seems i can't lose for winning. :D :wavey:

That's not what I'm trying to do at all - just pointing out that there will always be a select few dominating at every stage of the year. This was actually an attempt to convince people to stop complaining about Federer's domination, but it may have backfired. ;)

Anyway, I don't resent Nadal for his accomplishments, I just hope that someone else will come up with a big win in the next couple of tournaments. Someone whose middle name is not Weasel. ;)

Havok
04-24-2005, 06:57 PM
We have a fresh new face "dominating" said surface, but trust me if this holds up for some time, people will get tired of it.:p happy though for Nadal, its about time he starts winning things and stops getting injured while playing on his favorite surface. Though he needs to win RG in the years to come to really make an impact.

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 07:02 PM
We have a fresh new face "dominating" said surface, but trust me if this holds up for some time, people will get tired of it.:p happy though for Nadal, its about time he starts winning things and stops getting injured while playing on his favorite surface. Though he needs to win RG in the years to come to really make an impact.

Exactly - these things always go in cycles. Come to think of it, I suppose the Nadal backlash has already begun in many respects. But then as tc once said on this subject, people will always want what they haven't got. Imagine the outrage among Nadal/Federer/Coria fans if Oscar Hernandez succeeded in claiming the RG crown as well as the Wimbledon title that is his destiny this year.

silverwhite
04-24-2005, 07:17 PM
You miss my point. Federer has a 35-2 record for the year, Nadal a 35-6 one. Federer has five titles, Nadal has four. Between them they have won the first three TMS events of the year plus the two biggest optional events so far. They are the top two in the Champions Race by some way.

The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts; surprise surprise, we're seeing the same player dominate on clay that we saw doing well in big hardcourt events at the AO and Miami. The claycourt season has provided us with a few surprise packages, such as Ferrero's pleasing resurgence of form and the good results of aggressive players such as Gasquet and Sexy Radek, but as of yet (and that has to be emphasised) there are no unexpected floaters winning the big events.

Sexy Radek is an aggressive player? :confused:

TennisLurker
04-24-2005, 07:22 PM
sexy radek plays serve and volley

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 07:22 PM
Sexy Radek isn't an aggressive player? :confused: When your game's main features are serve-volley, dropshots and a horrible, weakly guided forehand with Continental technique only practised by old-fashioned players like Henman, Bjorkman and Schalken, you are most certainly an aggressive player.

Rex
04-24-2005, 07:23 PM
true- claycomplicates things, but does make it more interesting, There arent many players whom cna dominate on all court surfaces.

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 07:23 PM
What Lurker said, basically.

PaulieM
04-24-2005, 07:23 PM
sexy radek is HOT!! and is my pick for a surprise winner at RG

Sjengster
04-24-2005, 07:26 PM
Stepanek will almost certainly do a Henman at RG this year. His shouts, fist pumping and in-your-face antics will even give Coria something new to cry to the umpire about.

Neely
04-24-2005, 07:27 PM
The point is, there will always be domination on every surface. The results of the last two weeks have been no more unpredictable than Federer's were on faster courts; surprise surprise, we're seeing the same player dominate on clay that we saw doing well in big hardcourt events at the AO and Miami.
That may be occassionally true that every surface is dominated by somebody if you have Federer, Roddick, Gaudio, Coria, Nadal & Co around, but the difference here is that for most people one domination is more likable than the other(s) ;)

Geniey2g
04-24-2005, 07:29 PM
sexy radek is HOT!! and is my pick for a surprise winner at RG
LMFAO! :haha:

PaulieM
04-24-2005, 07:30 PM
Stepanek will almost certainly do a Henman at RG this year. His shouts, fist pumping and in-your-face antics will even give Coria something new to cry to the umpire about.
his hotness will distract his opponents. it's going to be awesome! :hearts:

Scotso
04-24-2005, 07:50 PM
The point is, there will always be domination on every surface.

That's not true. Clay is very often less prone to domination, because it is just rather unpredictable, but normally hardcourts are an equalizer as well.

It is highly unlikely that Nadal will continue to "dominate," even though I think we will see him in the latter rounds of all the clay court events he plays, depending on his continued good health.

silverwhite
04-25-2005, 12:53 AM
Sexy Radek isn't an aggressive player? :confused: When your game's main features are serve-volley, dropshots and a horrible, weakly guided forehand with Continental technique only practised by old-fashioned players like Henman, Bjorkman and Schalken, you are most certainly an aggressive player.

OK. :lol: When you put Richard in the same category, I assumed you were referring to power players who go for their shots. :o

makro120
04-25-2005, 01:55 AM
Federer will challenge him later on, he just needs some more weeks adjusting his game to clay. He is the only hope to stop NAdal for those who don't like NAdal.

I like Nadal, but he won't beat Federer on clay this year.

WyveN
04-25-2005, 02:51 AM
Good point Sjeng, if anything so far Nadals clay domination has been more convincing then Federers hardcourt one (far less close matches).

Chloe le Bopper
04-25-2005, 03:03 AM
Nadal didn't have one of the most dominant years ever before going on this rip. That probably contributes to it being less boring to some :)

Action Jackson
04-25-2005, 07:15 AM
It goes in cycles and always has it just happens to be Nadal who is in the forefront at the moment, but that will change soon enough.

NATAS81
04-25-2005, 07:17 AM
Federer just hasn't found the niche to break his struggles on clay.

By struggling, I mean winning 2 or 3 consecutive tourneys when you're talking Federer's dominance of 04 and beyond.

16-2 on clay in 04.

Not bad for a hard court dominator.