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Moya lives in Switzerland?

Darkheart
04-23-2005, 03:40 AM
According to the ATP website, Carlos Moya makes his residence in Geneva, Switzerland.

Is this true? I'm wondering if it's an error because I don't recall this being a fact.

Thanks in advance.

athina7
04-23-2005, 03:47 AM
I thought he lived in Spain :confused:

TheBoiledEgg
04-23-2005, 03:52 AM
he's been in Geneva for quite some time, for Tax reasons :o

Jorge
04-23-2005, 04:14 AM
he's been in Geneva for quite some time, for Tax reasons :o
yeah, that's why he has a domicile in Geneva. Like many other sportsmen and artists who have their "home" in countries like Switzerland, Monaco, Andorra, Bermudas, etc. for tax-reasons

Carolinita
04-23-2005, 04:39 AM
Countries like that are called "tax heaven" ...there they fix residence, but generally they live a few weeks in the year on this countries just because they have to observe the law

Sjengster
04-23-2005, 05:04 AM
"Tax haven"... but you're right Carolinita, they are tax heavens as well, LOL. Besides, how could anyone forget Moya's place of residence after this immortal quote from TBE following Moya's loss to Coria at RG:

"Carlos, he should be made to walk home.

Carless Careless Carlos Moya, walking home from Paris to Geneva."

Action Jackson
04-23-2005, 07:04 AM
Carlos has been living in Geneva for quite a while.

Some French players like Clement, Di Pasquale and a few others live there as well, as the French aren't allowed to live in Monaco.

syd
04-23-2005, 08:34 AM
Some French players like Clement, Di Pasquale and a few others live there as well, as the French aren't allowed to live in Monaco.Why ?

Action Jackson
04-23-2005, 08:36 AM
Why ?

I am not an expert on French law, but they can't have a residence in Monaco for tax reasons.

Choupi
04-23-2005, 09:11 AM
I am not an expert on French law, but they can't have a residence in Monaco for tax reasons.
To be more precise, they can have a residence in Monaco, but their main home has to be registered in France. Which doesn't help in anything concerning taxes. As the main reason to go and live in Monaco is to escape that tax system, you see why it is useless for them to go and settle a secondary home in Monaco.

Marine
04-23-2005, 09:12 AM
In fact I know only French and Americans aren't allowed to benefit by this fiscal system. It's like that. I don't know if Spaniards are'nt allowed neither.

That's why there are so many Frenchies in Geneva: Escudé, Santoro, Clement, Mathieu, Forget, Di pasquale, Pioline, Mauresmo...
moreover it's very practical for them, it's a french speaking country, juste near France, not far from Paris etc...

Action Jackson
04-23-2005, 09:12 AM
To be more precise, they can have a residence in Monaco, but their main home has to be registered in France. Which doesn't help in anything concerning taxes. As the main reason to go and live in Monaco is to escape that tax system, you see why it is useless for them to go and settle a secondary home in Monaco.

Thanks for clearing that up, but I knew it wasn't beneficial for French players to have the main residence in Monaco, hence Geneva or Andorra are the other options.

Action Jackson
04-23-2005, 09:13 AM
Henri Leconte is another one who lives in Geneva and it's only 3 km from France.

Choupi
04-23-2005, 10:20 AM
moreover it's very practical for them, it's a french speaking country, juste near France, not far from Paris etc...
Don't forget about the good chocolate Marine! ;)

~EMiLiTA~
04-23-2005, 12:15 PM
yeah...Marat also has/had a place there

RogerRocks
04-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Boris Becker too

Auscon
04-23-2005, 01:32 PM
it's not for tax reasons.....he like the chocolate and knives

tennischick
04-23-2005, 04:10 PM
ojala that i was rich enuf to afford to live next door to Moya :drool:

SwissMister1
04-23-2005, 09:46 PM
Some of the Frenchies live in Florida, too. I know of Grosjean and Saulnier, don't know if there are others.

PaulieM
04-23-2005, 09:49 PM
ojala that i was rich enuf to afford to live next door to Moya :drool:
hmm wouldn't that be nice :hearts:

liptea
04-23-2005, 11:22 PM
I might be wrong, but wasn't Carlos's old trainer, the one that was helping him with his back problems, from Switzerland? That might have had something to do with it.

Federerhingis
04-24-2005, 07:48 AM
Hmmmm are we sure he lives in Geneva because of tax purposes? I thought according to my friends and rumors in general that Switzerland of all places is very tax friendly and is a very expensive place to live in. I mean Geneva might be the exception. Nonetheless, I would certainly love living in Geneva just for the chocolate ;) ;) ;) lol. Man I was in Geneva just for a few hours at their airport and couldnt get enough of the lindt chocolate at the duty free shops lol. Oh my GOD swiss air has the best chocolate I've ever had, I mean that thing just melts in your mouth, it was like a dream when flying over the alps in swiss air and the flight assistant passes by with their cube chocolates certainly swiss airs signature, good lord I can still taste that chocolate lol. Anyways I think he might live in Geneva because its a very nice place, he can afford to live there, besides its a very cosmopolitan place, so many foreigners live there and it seems like a very welcoming place.

Action Jackson
04-24-2005, 07:55 AM
It's tax reasons he lives in Geneva and he had some work on his back done there as well. The tax laws are different in each canton of Switzerland and Geneva has some of the lowest ones and it's not like he can't afford to live there and it's not as crowded as Monaco.

Federerhingis
04-24-2005, 08:03 AM
It's tax reasons he lives in Geneva and he had some work on his back done there as well. The tax laws are different in each canton of Switzerland and Geneva has some of the lowest ones and it's not like he can't afford to live there and it's not as crowed as Monaco.

Yup thats what I thought initially, because its a different story in Bern and Zurich. The same goes for Lausanne, I believe. By thew way if anyone knows especially any of the Swiss members here whats the name brand of the chocolate given by swiss air I'd be so indebted to you, I mean I thought I had saved the box where they came in, or the paper wrap but my order freak mother probably got rid of it. So I guess living in Geneve for a few months wouldnt be that terrible, not only will it give me a chance to practice my horrible french, but also enjoy the marvelous Lac au Geneve. Nonetheless I would first need to get the freaking visa first, getting the Schengen wasnt that bad but, Switzerland is not a EU member, why I still dont get it.

Space Cowgirl
04-24-2005, 08:16 PM
"Lac au Geneve" :lol: I think you mean Lac Leman!

Jim Jones
04-24-2005, 09:52 PM
Hmmmm are we sure he lives in Geneva because of tax purposes? I thought according to my friends and rumors in general that Switzerland of all places is very tax friendly and is a very expensive place to live in. I mean Geneva might be the exception. Nonetheless, I would certainly love living in Geneva just for the chocolate ;) ;) ;) lol. Man I was in Geneva just for a few hours at their airport and couldnt get enough of the lindt chocolate at the duty free shops lol. Oh my GOD swiss air has the best chocolate I've ever had, I mean that thing just melts in your mouth, it was like a dream when flying over the alps in swiss air and the flight assistant passes by with their cube chocolates certainly swiss airs signature, good lord I can still taste that chocolate lol. Anyways I think he might live in Geneva because its a very nice place, he can afford to live there, besides its a very cosmopolitan place, so many foreigners live there and it seems like a very welcoming place.
Geneva is a very nice place to live in. But it is also too liberal, at least for me. I would love to go back to the U.S. where I completed my undergrad degree.

Federerhingis
04-24-2005, 10:28 PM
"Lac au Geneve" :lol: I think you mean Lac Leman!

I have no clue buddy, its probably a combination of both my terribly written french and my lack of geographical connaisance. I could have sworn the Swissair magazine named it lake geneva, I also seemed to have always heard it being called that "Lake Geneva" or Lac Geneve, anyways, my post cards dont have anything named Lac Leman, besides its not as famous as Lake Konstanz for non europeans, and as my site seeings I only circled "Montreux Chillon", "Vevey" more toward eastern Laussane, Laussane Ouchy which looks beautiful as well as "Le Jet-d'eau et la rive gauche" as part of the "Le lignon-Geneve". :wavey:

Federerhingis
04-24-2005, 10:33 PM
Geneva is a very nice place to live in. But it is also too liberal, at least for me. I would love to go back to the U.S. where I completed my undergrad degree.

Really this surprises me, and what do you mean by too liberal? Do you mean in a political sense? Or in general? By the way would you happen to know what the brand name of the chocolates swiss air gives to their customers is? I mean Godiva chocolates are good, especially when imported directly from Belgium, but these were just as good as lindt actually I much prefer to have the swiss air chocolates than lindt. It could have been Gold something, its a german name I believe, gosh I wish my mother would have not thrown away that box I kept where these goodies came in, besides they were my souvenirs from duty free geneva shops. Anyways I would appreciate if anyone provides me with such information. :D :wavey:

Jim Jones
04-24-2005, 10:53 PM
Really this surprises me, and what do you mean by too liberal? Do you mean in a political sense? Or in general? By the way would you happen to know what the brand name of the chocolates swiss air gives to their customers is? I mean Godiva chocolates are good, especially when imported directly from Belgium, but these were just as good as lindt actually I much prefer to have the swiss air chocolates than lindt. It could have been Gold something, its a german name I believe, gosh I wish my mother would have not thrown away that box I kept where these goodies came in, besides they were my souvenirs from duty free geneva shops. Anyways I would appreciate if anyone provides me with such information. :D :wavey:
I would not know, I don't take Swiss airlines. I take cheap airlines such as EasyJet :D Lindt chocolate is pretty well known. Perhaps it is that that you like. If you come to Switzerland you will know. If you really want to know, type swiss chocolates in google and perhaps you will get an answer.

Geneva is too liberal in political terms. Other parts of Switzerland are more conservative. I myslef am a mixture. I don't want to live in a place that is too conservative or too liberal. :)

Federerhingis
04-24-2005, 11:11 PM
I would not know, I don't take Swiss airlines. I take cheap airlines such as EasyJet :D Lindt chocolate is pretty well known. Perhaps it is that that you like. If you come to Switzerland you will know. If you really want to know, type swiss chocolates in google and perhaps you will get an answer.

Geneva is too liberal in political terms. Other parts of Switzerland are more conservative. I myslef am a mixture. I don't want to live in a place that is too conservative or too liberal. :)

Yeah I know a bit about swiss chocolates I am just interested in this one particular brand, its just so so so good. I actually did type it on google and look for like a good hour and a half to no avail, I kept coming across Lindt but everyone knows about Lindt, yes they are deliciuos but I want this particular brand, they were just perfect, not too sweet or too dry. By the way I've taken easy jet but you dont have acces to easy jet from the US to europe, the US does have a similar airline within the states called jet blue, which is pretty much the same as easy jet for europe.

I did take easy jet from Paris to Rome, the planes are a bit noisy and their departing airports are always located on the outskirts of main cities so it was a bit sketchy but the price is magnificent it was like 24 euros from Paris to Rome, which I found to be awesome. The only bad thing is their weight limit on luggage I think the limit is 18 kilos, which is not too bad if you're just traveling for a week or two.

On another note, politics and me dont mix, I would consider my self to be a liberal, conservative at times or if you want to call it this I would consider my self a liberal on the conservative end. However I got the sense that Geneva is very much like Koln or Cologne, very welcoming and diverse so if its the case it would be a wonderful place to visit.

Space Cowgirl
04-25-2005, 01:18 PM
I could have sworn the Swissair magazine named it lake geneva, I also seemed to have always heard it being called that "Lake Geneva" or Lac Geneve, anyways, my post cards dont have anything named Lac Leman, besides its not as famous as Lake Konstanz for non europeans, and as my site seeings I only circled "Montreux Chillon", "Vevey" more toward eastern Laussane, Laussane Ouchy which looks beautiful as well as "Le Jet-d'eau et la rive gauche" as part of the "Le lignon-Geneve". :wavey:
You are partly right. The English name is Lake Geneva, but in French it's called Lac Leman and in German it's Genfer See. Of all the places in Switzerland, I would love to live there (too bad I don't speak French though!), it's so beautiful around the lake. I was in Montreux a couple of years ago for the big jazz festival there and it was great. Also visited Gstaad (just missed the tennis tournament there too), the Diablerets glacier and Villars, as well as Chillon castle on the outskirts of Montreux.

Action Jackson
04-25-2005, 01:19 PM
Geneva is a bit sterile, to find out what's going on it helps to actually find locals, though there are better places in Switzerland.

Federerhingis
04-25-2005, 06:28 PM
Geneva is a bit sterile, to find out what's going on it helps to actually find locals, though there are better places in Switzerland.

What do you mean by sterile, can you elaborate a bit? Anyway the place seemed very nice and inviting, so I dont know, or could say any further comments since I was only at the airport for a few hours. Yes of course I am sure there might be places a lot nicer or perhaps more interesting than Geneva, however, my german is very limited, besides the Swiss speak their own version of german, and even within swiss german they speak different versions of it, as if Bernsdeutsch wasnt hard enough or Zurichdeutsch. I would love to visit the jurra mountains and marvel at the alps and who wouldnt love to be surrounded by beautiful St. Moritz?

pinky
04-25-2005, 06:36 PM
Switzerland is not really tax friendly when you are the "average Joe", believe me. Now, if you are a rich stranger, it can be since those people generally make "deals" with local authorities so that they don't pay too much.

Jim Jones
04-25-2005, 06:53 PM
You mean if one is rich like me? ;)

Action Jackson
04-29-2005, 10:32 AM
Switzerland is not really tax friendly when you are the "average Joe", believe me. Now, if you are a rich stranger, it can be since those people generally make "deals" with local authorities so that they don't pay too much.

It depends on the canton if you're in Zug it's better than being in Basel for example, but the rich foreigners don't get bothered, bank accounts and there are plenty of advantages for them, so they take it.

Nan Cu
04-29-2005, 07:34 PM
I am not an expert on French law, but they can't have a residence in Monaco for tax reasons.

I'm no expert on French law either, but from the way I understand it, Monaco is not a free & clear independent country, but a French Principality of sorts. They have self governance, but if at anytime they dont have a heir, the "country" gets re-absorbed into France.

For these reasons, I'd guess, French citizens aren't considered to be abroad over there.