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Double Standards

Becarina
04-18-2005, 07:18 AM
Why is it every commentator saying how Lindsay Davenport should reitire, and she is 28, and winninng no less, and Andre is pushing 35 and it is perfectly fine for him to continue, maybe even until he is forty?

jacobhiggins
04-18-2005, 07:23 AM
I don't know, maybe because they assume too much lol. In todays sports age, Age is not as big of a factor as it once was. Some people don't see this, but overtime I think people will start to come around and realize you should judge an athlete on how they take care of there body and how much punishment there body has recieved, and what condition there body is in. Not how long it's been since there mom pushed them out!

tennischick
04-18-2005, 02:16 PM
i haven't heard anyone say this about Lindsay. on the contrary i've heard the opposite by at least mary carillo and cliff drysdale. and i've heard many commentators say the words "andre" and "retirement" in the same sentence. dunno who you are referring to tho' :shrug:

smucav
04-18-2005, 04:10 PM
Why is it every commentator saying how Lindsay Davenport should reitire, and she is 28, and winninng no less, and Andre is pushing 35 and it is perfectly fine for him to continue, maybe even until he is forty?I haven't heard anyone say that Lindsay should retire except for Lindsay herself. She said she would retire if she had another serious injury that kept her out for several months like the ones she had in 2002-2003. But so far she hasn't had another serious injury & instead dominated the summer hard court season & finished #1 in 2004.

All the commentary I've heard is about the irony that she was considering retirement because she felt she couldn't be on top anymore, when that's exactly what ended up happening not long after she said it.

I think the only time a lot of people started questioning Andre was when he had a series of bad losses to low-ranked players in early-mid 2004, but he put those questions to rest after he won Cincinnati & finished the year #8. Considering he doesn't play nearly as many events as the other top players, being in the top 10 at his age is remarkable.

MissMoJo
04-18-2005, 04:23 PM
They speculate about Agassi's retirement after every GS, and Lindsay actually announced at one point that she had planned on retiring this year so there was cause to discuss it regarding her. Lately, i haven't heard anyone saying she should retire just how great she's been playing. And they're always complimenting Agassi. So, i'm not aware of any double standard

jmp
04-18-2005, 11:32 PM
I don't think there is a double standard going on here. Most tennis fans and commentators want Lindsay to stay as long as she wants to stay. She'll quit soon (maybe the next two to three years) because she's firm in her desire to start a family. As she said recently, another major injury may prompt her to retire sooner.

There's a lot going on with American tennis advocates wanting Andre to stay forever. He is a huge international star and an American. American tennis players in their 20s are not near the top 10 and there are few future prospects for the top 10. Andre's personal and professional story are compelling as well.

Leo
04-19-2005, 12:51 AM
The reason there's been so much talk about Lindsay retiring the past few years is because she started it herself! Agassi has barely ever hinted about hanging up the racquet. Davenport has done more than hint.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-19-2005, 03:11 AM
I think it's because Davenport looks incredibly slow and stiff when she bumbles around the court, I think most writers don't know that's what she's always been like.

faboozadoo15
04-19-2005, 05:30 AM
i truly believe that if lindsay's 2004 hadn't been so tremendous that she would already be retired. she sparks up the conversation so much hersaelf that i don't think it's a double standard. maybe the fact that she views all her success as bonus really takes the pressure off and that's why she's doing so well? hmmm.

Experimentee
04-19-2005, 05:35 AM
Andre gets a question about retirement in almost every interview he does. Every time he loses, even if its to someone like Federer, people are always saying he should retire. You should look around a bit more before you claim no one thinks he should retire.

Federerhingis
04-19-2005, 05:36 AM
I think it's because Davenport looks incredibly slow and stiff when she bumbles around the court, I think most writers don't know that's what she's always been like.


This is indeed true but you cant go without acknowledging those groundies are something to marvel at, so cleanly striked and bang boom boom to the baseline corner. She seemed to always get the better of my Hingis with those no matter how fit or in form my favorite Hingis was in. Sadly enough!

uNIVERSE mAN
04-19-2005, 12:51 PM
This is indeed true but you cant go without acknowledging those groundies are something to marvel at, so cleanly striked and bang boom boom to the baseline corner. She seemed to always get the better of my Hingis with those no matter how fit or in form my favorite Hingis was in. Sadly enough!

Marvel at? consistent flat deep strokes? women might find this impressive, not me. And as for "bang boom boom", that hasn't won her anything for a long, long time.

Adman
04-19-2005, 12:59 PM
[QUOTE=MissMoJo]They speculate about Agassi's retirement after every GS /QUOTE]

After Grand Slams they are always talking about Andre but I always think that he will say before a major tournament or match in the pre-match interview that he will retire or announce it to the world which would be a great shame.

Adman
04-19-2005, 01:00 PM
They speculate about Agassi's retirement after every GS

After Grand Slams they are always talking about Andre but I always think that he will say before a major tournament or match in the pre-match interview that he will retire or announce it to the world which would be a great shame.

federer express
04-19-2005, 05:45 PM
Why is it every commentator saying how Lindsay Davenport should reitire, and she is 28, and winninng no less, and Andre is pushing 35 and it is perfectly fine for him to continue, maybe even until he is forty?

maybe because lindsay looks and moves like she is 6 years agassi's senior rather than his junior!

Federerhingis
04-19-2005, 06:08 PM
Marvel at? consistent flat deep strokes? women might find this impressive, not me. And as for "bang boom boom", that hasn't won her anything for a long, long time.


Well your comment is very valid, I mean the point is that her groundies are very accurate and her timing of the ball is very good. She just hits the ball very cleanly with very very good clearance on most of her shots. I wouldnt call it impressive, thats why she was never my favorite, Hingis always was and will be, I find all court games a lot more interesting, especially when they involve tactically based strategies in order to employ their games. Hence why my two favorites are Hingis and Federer. It might have not won her many big titles lately, however she still is the #1 ranked player and with her consistency I really dont see her outside the top 3 unless injured.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:09 PM
Marvel at? consistent flat deep strokes? women might find this impressive, not me. And as for "bang boom boom", that hasn't won her anything for a long, long time.
Why would this be impressive to women ? :confused:

416_Life
04-19-2005, 08:07 PM
Lindsay's main problem is that she has so much talent, but is so often a quitter. Look at the Australian Open final - she gave it her all until she lost the game where she was up 40 - 0 in the second set. Even now, her clay game isn't strong, but it's better than a lot of players and she's skipping Berlin, Rome, and Warsaw. On the other hand, atleast Agassi fights with all he's got.

YoursTruly
04-19-2005, 11:17 PM
No I think it's equal. On both the ATP and WTA, when a player hits 28/29, everybody starts talking about how they are peaking or starting to think about retirement. Which is so cruel because it's like people are deciding on a person's fate!
Nobody knows how any of them feel at their age, for example Andre probably still feels physically like he's late 20s or 30. Martina probably still feels like it's 1994.