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Can a serve-volleyer win Roland Garros?!

In_Disguise
04-16-2005, 06:57 PM
Not even great serve-volleyers like McEnroe, Becker, McEnroe, Sampras etc could win RG with their style of play. Can it be done in the foreseeable future?

Marine
04-16-2005, 06:58 PM
It's my dream...but I don't think so :sad:

Sjengster
04-16-2005, 06:58 PM
Nope. Which is not to say that a player who serve-volleys on some points can't win RG.

federer express
04-16-2005, 06:59 PM
what you are really asking there is can dent, ancic, karlovic, rusedski or tati rascon win RG? :scratch: so as sjengster said...no!

In_Disguise
04-16-2005, 07:00 PM
Well, some people thought Henman was going to win RG at one point last year. Imagine that Tim Henman, RG champion!

Marine
04-16-2005, 07:03 PM
Imagine that Tim Henman, RG champion!


That would be fantastic !

tennischick
04-16-2005, 07:05 PM
with great difficulty...

Sjengster
04-16-2005, 07:06 PM
That would be. That would also need Coria, Nadal, Ferrero, Zabaleta and Nalbandian to all lose to someone else before they played him for it to happen.

federer express
04-16-2005, 07:06 PM
That would be. That would also need Coria, Nadal, Ferrero, Zabaleta and Nalbandian to all lose to someone else before they played him for it to happen.

you can add hewitt to that list too :) (and federer :scratch: and safin...and canas)

Sjengster
04-16-2005, 07:09 PM
Well, I'm not sure Henman and Hewitt would both get that far in the same year (I know they did last year, but that was fairly exceptional). OK, Federer too, but he needs to get to the second week of RG first.

Woh, how I could forget Canas??!! Yeah, him too.

In_Disguise
04-16-2005, 07:13 PM
you can add hewitt to that list too :) (and federer :scratch: and safin...and canas)

The weird thing was, he said RG and many of the clay courts were playing faster than Wimbledon last year...it just goes to show that wimbledon is not a fast court these days by any means and hasn't been for the past few years...So, bizarre as it sounds, he may actually have a better chance in RG than wimbledon IMO

federer express
04-16-2005, 07:15 PM
The weird thing was, he said RG and many of the clay courts were playing faster than Wimbledon last year...it just goes to show that wimbledon is not a fast court these days by any means and hasn't been for the past few years...So, bizarre as it sounds, he may actually have a better chance in RG than wimbledon IMO

i think he has a poor chance at both to be honest. he needs to be at the net but the serve just isn't good enough to get him there in good position. cant believe the clay was playing quicker than the grass, but wimbledon is much slower these days due to the balls! (and everyone who moaned about the ivanisevic/sampras matches there :p )

In_Disguise
04-16-2005, 07:19 PM
i think he has a poor chance at both to be honest. he needs to be at the net but the serve just isn't good enough to get him there in good position. cant believe the clay was playing quicker than the grass, but wimbledon is much slower these days due to the balls! (and everyone who moaned about the ivanisevic/sampras matches there :p )

yeah, the balls and the surface to some extent. A lot of players notice how much Queens is faster than Wimbledon since 2001. If the playing conditions were the same as they were in the 90s Henman would well have won Wimbledon by now - he just needs more penetration which the quicker conditions should provide

Dirk
04-16-2005, 07:21 PM
Only if they chip and charge most of the time.

federer express
04-16-2005, 07:21 PM
yeah, the balls and the surface to some extent. A lot of players notice how much Queens is faster than Wimbledon since 2001. If the playing conditions were the same as they were in the 90s Henman would well have won Wimbledon by now - he just needs more penetration which the quicker conditions should provide

i disagree. dont see him as a slam winner regardless of the conditions. not saying he is mentally fragile but dont think he quite has what it takes. i might be wrong though.

ys
04-16-2005, 07:23 PM
Henman had Coria on the ropes last year. McEnroe had a huge meltdown in the RG final, he also had it there for taking. Sampras's biggest problem was not his game, but his luck of stamina. In his best RG run he took out several very good claycourters, but simply ran out of gas by semis. Unlikely, especially these days, but possible. And weather is very important. Henman would need wet and heavy conditions, so that he would have to face slower passing shots and that his volleys would be dying off at contact.

federer express
04-16-2005, 07:24 PM
Henman had Coria on the ropes last year. McEnroe had a huge meltdown in the RG final, he also had it there for taking. Sampras's biggest problem was not his game, but his luck of stamina. In his best RG run he took out several very good claycourters, but simply ran out of gas by semis. Unlikely, especially these days, but possible. And weather is very important. Henman would need wet and heavy conditions, so that he would have to face slower passing shots and that his volleys would be dying off at contact.

some good thoughts

World Beater
04-16-2005, 07:26 PM
Its possible, but henman's backhand isnt good enough to hold up in a best-5 against coria. For two sets henman played great attacking tennis. Safin also plays good attacking tennis on the clay, so its possible, although one needs to be able to be steady from the back, if for some reason they are not in rhythm that day. This is why fed has a great chance

In_Disguise
04-16-2005, 07:28 PM
Henman had Coria on the ropes last year. McEnroe had a huge meltdown in the RG final, he also had it there for taking. Sampras's biggest problem was not his game, but his luck of stamina. In his best RG run he took out several very good claycourters, but simply ran out of gas by semis. Unlikely, especially these days, but possible. And weather is very important. Henman would need wet and heavy conditions, so that he would have to face slower passing shots and that his volleys would be dying off at contact.

Yeah, as well as Pete's stamina, it also have a lot to do with his backhand, which has always been the weakness of his. The claycourters use to hit everything to his backhand on clay and his forehand and serve were nullified because of the clay...

In_Disguise
04-16-2005, 07:33 PM
Its possible, but henman's backhand isnt good enough to hold up in a best-5 against coria. For two sets henman played great attacking tennis. Safin also plays good attacking tennis on the clay, so its possible, although one needs to be able to be steady from the back, if for some reason they are not in rhythm that day. This is why fed has a great chance

Safin definitely does have a good chance - he has the power to hit through the clay and if he plays as he did in Australia, RG is there for his taking IMO. I think his best, even on clay can outpower all the claycourters out there - Coria, Nadal, Ferrero included! He's my tip for RG this year :D

Dirk
04-16-2005, 07:43 PM
In disguise he can't overpower Roger. No need to look any futher than their 3 clay meetings to see that. Guga in his prime would have made it very hard for Safin, but Safin doesn't have to worry about that. Safin will be a threat for sure at RG.

World Beater
04-16-2005, 07:55 PM
The problem i see with safin, is his strokes have less margin for error than someone like federer. He hits the ball very flat and hard. He is so strong that his regular rally shots are offensive, which is why he is so good on clay. He has great power to hit from beyond the baseline. But if his world his tipped by a single degree, he is finished. He cannot play clay-safe tennis. He only knows how to play an agressive style

World Beater
04-16-2005, 07:59 PM
In disguise he can't overpower Roger. No need to look any futher than their 3 clay meetings to see that. Guga in his prime would have made it very hard for Safin, but Safin doesn't have to worry about that. Safin will be a threat for sure at RG.

Dirk, a match that i would not miss. safin vs fed on clay. That would be truly artistic. This match would be very interesting, as federer's counter-punching would be the deciding factor.

Kuerten is so well balanced off both sides and can hit ball hard like safin. He also has some talent to contruct pts on clay that i have not seen from anyone else. Coria though is starting to play this way.

KCVH
04-16-2005, 08:04 PM
I'm afraid not.

Rex
04-16-2005, 08:11 PM
i think a serve and volleyer would not get far, but a baseliner- could add serve and volley to his game, and make it count for about 30% to 40% of their game, it would work in that particular case. But the volleys would always need to be PERFECT.

MisterQ
04-16-2005, 08:15 PM
As Sjengster said, I don't think a PURE serve-volleyer would win RG these days. But for those who lack great consistency and patience from the baseline, serve-volley and approaching the net may give them a better chance at pulling out matches. Roddick, for example, could benefit from coming in more behind his big kick serve, especially if the opponent is standing far behind the baseline in an attempt to neutralize the serve. Not that I'm saying Roddick will win RG... :lol: But he can improve on his past results.

Henman was really impressive last year, and showed that serve-volley can be effective on the surface.

Angle Queen
04-17-2005, 12:04 AM
Yes, but only because anything is possible. ;)

Had the question been "Will a serve-n-volleyer ever win RG?"...I'd be saying a big, fat NO. And sadly, it's become even more unlikely with the current state-of-the-game. There are so few S/V players that the numbers are just stacked against them. Too many good baseliners (clay enthusiasts or otherwise) for them to triumph in a two week affair. Just once, though, I'd like to see Henman put a scare in 'em. That'd be something -- the Frenchies having to award their trophy to a Brit. :lol:

erik-the-red
04-17-2005, 12:44 AM
I thought Yannick Noah was a serve and volleyer?

federer express
04-17-2005, 01:40 AM
I thought Yannick Noah was a serve and volleyer?

think the question is can a serve volleyer win it now ;)

Aphex
04-17-2005, 01:50 AM
None of the current crop of Bj÷rkman, Mirnyi and the Dent. Federer might win RG and he's pretty good at at S&V, but he knows some other stuff too...
Henman is also nolonger a S&V only player, but he won't win RG anyway.

erik-the-red
04-17-2005, 02:27 AM
In that case, no, I don't think a pure serve and volleyer (ie. NOT all court) can win Roland Garros now.

Dent has improved his net game, but he is still not quite as strong as Rafter or Sampras were in their prime.

federer express
04-17-2005, 02:30 AM
Dent has improved his net game, but he is still not quite as strong as Rafter or Sampras were in their prime.

congratulations on winning the prize for 'understatement of the year 2005'

lol :yeah:

Scotso
04-17-2005, 02:35 AM
To say that there will never be another serve and volley player who can win RG is ridiculous. I'd say the chances of it happening are pretty good... depending on how long RG continues to be held.

WyveN
04-17-2005, 07:50 AM
None are good enough right now but a first class serve volleyer could do it.

Sampras, Mac, Edberg and even Becker all got far enough in the draw to give themselves an opportunity but ultimately failed. Its definetly difficult but even Henman last year showed how effective intelligent volleying on clay can be.

Action Jackson
04-17-2005, 08:00 AM
Not in this generation and if Federer did it he is definitely not a pure serve/volleyer.

Michael Stich was the last one to make the final, but that was almost 10 years ago.

TheBoiledEgg
04-17-2005, 09:51 AM
Henman was really impressive last year, and showed that serve-volley can be effective on the surface.

he also got the easiest draw you could get :o
useless choking Frenchmen
and Chela in 2nd week :rolls: just the thought of Chela making it that far (SF)and he collapsed, he would have lost to anyone that day, mentally non-existent.

NATAS81
04-17-2005, 09:51 AM
Only Dent.