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Coria on his biggest opposition for RG

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 02:28 AM
This isn't really that exciting. I just found some of it a little amusing. So I thought I'd share. This is a clip from his interview after his match with PHM.

I thought his assessment of Federer was a little weird, considering he only took two losses on clay last year... one to Fed :shrug:

Time to overanalyse :devil:


Q. Who are the most difficult opponents for you this season on clay?

GUILLERMO CORIA: I think Nadal and Gaudio . They have everything to play very good on clay. They are the favorites to win all the tournaments ‑ especially Gaudio , who won the French Open . They have the game to win all the tournaments.

Q. And Federer ?

GUILLERMO CORIA: Well, he can be dangerous on clay, yes, indeed, but he must be more patient. Also I think Nadal and Gaudio have a better game than he does on clay.

But Federer is playing very good on all kinds of surfaces. If he has to play against either Nadal or Gaudio , it can become a bit complicated for him.

But, anyway, there are many favorites: There's Safin , there's Roddick , there's Ferrero , who's coming back again. There are many of them.

-ernie-
04-12-2005, 02:29 AM
This is where Fed is vulnerable! Go Guillermo! :woohoo:

nkhera1
04-12-2005, 02:31 AM
LOL He actually decided to mention Roddick

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 02:32 AM
LOL He actually decided to mention Roddick
Yeah, that was sort of amusing. I think he has a lot of respect for Roddick, that's probably why he thought of him. Repeated whippings will do that to a guy.

Daniel
04-12-2005, 02:40 AM
and also he has to rememeber Federer beat him last year on clay in the final of Hamburg.

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 02:47 AM
I doubt that he's forgotten. And I mentioned that in the first post.

Dirk
04-12-2005, 02:58 AM
Coria is just be overly generous. Maybe he has a new PR person. :)

Scotso
04-12-2005, 04:19 AM
Nadal :worship:

Experimentee
04-12-2005, 04:54 AM
I'd agree with that assessment. Fed is one of the favourites but on clay Nadal and Gaudio are up there with him. He also said that Fed can play on all surfaces, so its not like hes saying he's bad on clay.
I find more weird that he mentioned Roddick :lol:

robinhood
04-12-2005, 05:04 AM
LOL He actually decided to mention Roddick

:haha:

World Beater
04-12-2005, 06:26 AM
fed has never lost to gaudio on clay. coria should check his stats. Gaudio has problems playing fed, not the other way around.

also shows his lack of respect for Moya when mentioning roddick instead of him. But hey like you said, that will happen when you have crushed a guy a few times.

J. Corwin
04-12-2005, 06:50 AM
Andy does have a win over Coria on clay. ;)

2002 Houston, Clay, S Roddick 63 26 62

Coria will remember that forever. Clearly Roddick is a favorite on clay.



(I wonder how many people will take this post seriously...)

Lady
04-12-2005, 07:44 AM
fed has never lost to gaudio on clay. coria should check his stats. Gaudio has problems playing fed, not the other way around.

also shows his lack of respect for Moya when mentioning roddick instead of him. But hey like you said, that will happen when you have crushed a guy a few times.


He said I think, I'm sure the guy can have an opinion!

He also said there COULD be difficulties, nit there WOULD be! ;)

Action Jackson
04-12-2005, 07:57 AM
fed has never lost to gaudio on clay. coria should check his stats. Gaudio has problems playing fed, not the other way around.

You do remember Hamburg last year and it was Gaudio causing Federer the problems and a lack of nerve by Gaston in the crucial 3rd set when he needed to serve to stay in the match that was the difference. Note the better player won the match and deservedly so, but if you saw the match and say Gaudio didn't cause Federer problems then you're kidding.

bad gambler
04-12-2005, 07:59 AM
gaudio will win RG 2005

you heard it again from me

cheers
BG

makro120
04-12-2005, 09:39 AM
It seems like Federer needs to learn Coria another lesson on clay tennis before he can get some respect from the little cheater.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-12-2005, 09:46 AM
Lol at the Roddick mention, as for the rest, he's right. Although I'm not so sure about Nadal - I think he's not ready yet.

Billy Moonshine
04-12-2005, 10:13 AM
Surprised he didnt mention Nalbandian. He was a semi finalist last year. Worthy of a mention, no?
Nice to see him mention Roddick. Quite a compliment really.

oz_boz
04-12-2005, 10:43 AM
Quite funny that he mentioned Roddick among the favs. If so, why not Henman? Or Acasuso, Chela or Ferrer for that matter? All of them took Coria out on clay in his glorius season 2002.

Anyway, I actually think Roddick's chance of eventually winning at RG is better than Coria's at Wim. 2-3 years of practice on clay would be necessary though.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-12-2005, 11:24 AM
Stupid idiot Coria, thinks he's some sort of big shot now.

bad gambler
04-12-2005, 11:29 AM
Stupid idiot Coria, thinks he's some sort of big shot now.


gaudio will put him back in place, lol

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 03:38 PM
fed has never lost to gaudio on clay. coria should check his stats. Gaudio has problems playing fed, not the other way around.

also shows his lack of respect for Moya when mentioning roddick instead of him. But hey like you said, that will happen when you have crushed a guy a few times.

Seeing as Moya hasn't been doing much lately, and Coria owns him anyways... perhaps that's why he wasn't the first to roll off his tongue. Generally he has had nothing but good things to say about Moya - Hell, he even asked him for his SHIRT once - so I wouldn't get too upset about that.

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 03:40 PM
Stupid idiot Coria, thinks he's some sort of big shot now.
Gee, I can't imagine what would give him that impression. Oh yeah... being the among the best in the world at what he does. Ah, I think I'd consider myself a big shot too :)

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 03:40 PM
gaudio will put him back in place, lol
Seeing as he listed Gaudio and not himself among the favourites for RG, exactly what place is he needing to be put back to? :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 03:41 PM
It seems like Federer needs to learn Coria another lesson on clay tennis before he can get some respect from the little cheater.
Oh look, it's King Fed Troll.

Moron.

Carito_90
04-12-2005, 03:50 PM
Becca, I will never get tired of worshipping you.

Translations can be a bit confusing, I don't think he actually meant that Gaudio and Nadal have a better game than Federer on clay but that Gaudio and Nadal's game is more suitable for clay and more threatening (at least for him) than Fed's.
He and Roger have only played once and it was quite a close match, even though the final result. Besides Coria was not 100% physically in the match.
But he is right when he said Roger has been playing great lately and he should be taken into account in every surface.

People, get over it, its HIS opinion, he has played Roger, not you, he knows why he's saying it.

and :lol: at his mention of Roddick :lol:

Hendu
04-12-2005, 04:06 PM
Seeing as Moya hasn't been doing much lately, and Coria owns him anyways... perhaps that's why he wasn't the first to roll off his tongue. Generally he has had nothing but good things to say about Moya - Hell, he even asked him for his SHIRT once - so I wouldn't get too upset about that.

He did it twice... the second time he did it after beating Moya in BA...

Moya is one of Coria's tennis idols.

tennischick
04-12-2005, 04:13 PM
maybe he wasn't being surface-specific when naming his potential opponents :shrug: in which case the Duck's name has every right to appear.

so much is lost in translation with these non-English speaking players.

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 04:14 PM
He did it twice... the second time he did it after beating Moya in BA...

Moya is one of Coria's tennis idols.
Thanks. I forgot about the second time.

I knew that Moya was one of his idols though, so it's funny to think of him not paying Moya "enough" respect.

tangerine_dream
04-12-2005, 04:23 PM
Oh look, it's King Fed Troll.
Moron.

LOL.

maybe he wasn't being surface-specific when naming his potential opponents in which case the Duck's name has every right to appear. so much is lost in translation with these non-English speaking players.

I agree. I doubt he was referring to Roddick as being a threat on a clay. More like a personal threat to him, just in general. ;)

I hope Coria makes it to the final of RG again. I don't think we'll be seeing any repeats of what happened last year.

WyveN
04-12-2005, 04:46 PM
who cares? corias biggest opposition will be whoever (if anyone) beats him.

Pea
04-12-2005, 04:57 PM
It's really nice to see Coria talk about the opposition.

tennischick
04-12-2005, 05:01 PM
...I agree. I doubt he was referring to Roddick as being a threat on a clay. More like a personal threat to him, just in general. ;)
meaning that he'd be scared to run into the Duck in a dark alley :eek: :eek:

Peoples
04-12-2005, 05:26 PM
gaudio will win RG 2005

you heard it again from me

cheers
BG
What are the odds? ;)

makro120
04-12-2005, 06:15 PM
Oh look, it's King Fed Troll.

Moron.

I really can't wait for Federer to face Coria on clay. There is so much anticipation for this, not because I think it will be an excellent match, but because I know what to expect from Federer against Coria. Federer might loose against Nadal or Safin, but Coria can't even give him a match, not even full of steroids in his body....

Sjengster
04-12-2005, 06:19 PM
When Federer gets schooled on clay this year - and it will happen at some point - you will be the one that gets ripped to shreds on here, and deservedly so.

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 06:23 PM
When Federer gets schooled on clay this year - and it will happen at some point - you will be the one that gets ripped to shreds on here, and deservedly so.
Indeed. I personally might avoid the ripping on makro, if only because s/he has more or less admitted to being mentally unstable enough to fall into a deep depression everytime that Fed loses. Which isn't very often, but still. Still! At least I think that was Makro. Whoever it was... :scared:

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 06:24 PM
I really can't wait for Federer to face Coria on clay. There is so much anticipation for this, not because I think it will be an excellent match, but because I know what to expect from Federer against Coria. Federer might loose against Nadal or Safin, but Coria can't even give him a match, not even full of steroids in his body....

Federer might be loose against Nadal or Safin, which might help him win. Or if he's too loose, he might lose.

I squish your head, FedTroll120.

makro120
04-12-2005, 06:25 PM
Ofcourse he will loose one match on clay or maybe even 2, I must admit I am alittle worried about NAdal on clay and what he can do against Federer. But I know what to expect from Coria and I know he has no weapons at all against Federer.

Also I hope you wait until the clay season is over before you attack me, this is just warming up for the big test which is Roland GArros. Federer has played lots of matches and may not have energy to do well in every tournament on clay. But in the end he will win atleast 1 TMS title and probably RG, I think he will win 2 TMS titles and RG.

You are all so aggresive, I think you guys need to chill out a little.

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 06:27 PM
You are all so aggresive, I think you guys need to chill out a little.

I prefer to squish your head.

makro120
04-12-2005, 06:30 PM
I prefer to squish your head.

That is ok, so if Federer wins 2 TMS titles and 1 RG but looses in Rome against Costa will you attack me with all your strength?

Just wait until the end of the clay season and then we will see who is right and who is wrong. I am quite sure I will be more right than the "Federer is like Sampras and won't ever win RG" people, if Federer wins RG they should all get their heads squished, right?

tennischick
04-12-2005, 06:34 PM
When Federer gets schooled on clay this year - and it will happen at some point - you will be the one that gets ripped to shreds on here, and deservedly so.
and to think i thought it was Dirk that irked y'all...sorry Dirk :kiss:

sigmagirl91
04-12-2005, 06:34 PM
That is ok, so if Federer wins 2 TMS titles and 1 RG but looses in Rome against Costa will you attack me with all your strength?


Please don't answer this, Chloe.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-12-2005, 06:36 PM
Hey Chloe, what's your opinion of Nadal? :D

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 06:40 PM
Please don't answer this, Chloe.
:haha:

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 06:41 PM
Hey Chloe, what's your opinion of Nadal? :D
Are you really asking me?

I think it's a touch early to consider him a favourite to win big events on clay seeing as he hasn't played a full clay season in two years. We have no idea how he'll hold out. Will he pace himself or run out of steam? Who knows. Either way I consider him the underdog on clay against Gaudio, Coria, Federer and Safin.

Not to disrespect Coria's opinion. He would know better than I ;)

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 06:43 PM
Just wait until the end of the clay season and then we will see who is right and who is wrong. I am quite sure I will be more right than the "Federer is like Sampras and won't ever win RG" people, if Federer wins RG they should all get their heads squished, right?

Okay, Sigmagirl, I didn't respond to the part you quote. But this part...

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Who said you should get your head squished if Fed won RG? Where did I say anything about Fed winning RG or not? :confused:

:haha:

Hendu
04-12-2005, 06:45 PM
Not to disrespect Coria's opinion. He would know better than I ;)

Would he? :scratch: ;)

makro120
04-12-2005, 06:50 PM
Okay, Sigmagirl, I didn't respond to the part you quote. But this part...

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Who said you should get your head squished if Fed won RG? Where did I say anything about Fed winning RG or not? :confused:

:haha:

What you said is that you are waiting Federer to loose 1 match on clay to squish my head. I am telling you to wait until RG where it really matters, if he looses there than you are welcome to torture me all you want.

Chloe le Bopper
04-12-2005, 07:00 PM
What you said is that you are waiting Federer to loose 1 match on clay to squish my head.

No. That is not what I said.

I said you are a FedTroll so I squish your head. Difference!

Sjengster
04-12-2005, 07:02 PM
and to think i thought it was Dirk that irked y'all...sorry Dirk :kiss:

Dirk is an amateur compared to this clown.

Carito_90
04-12-2005, 08:04 PM
It seems like Federer needs to learn Coria another lesson on clay tennis before he can get some respect from the little cheater.

I really can't wait for Federer to face Coria on clay. There is so much anticipation for this, not because I think it will be an excellent match, but because I know what to expect from Federer against Coria. Federer might loose against Nadal or Safin, but Coria can't even give him a match, not even full of steroids in his body....

You are all so aggresive, I think you guys need to chill out a little.

Your hypocracy kills me. Seriously.

sigmagirl91
04-12-2005, 10:34 PM
Oh, damn, did I miss troll-feeding time? I must be too busy....

World Beater
04-12-2005, 11:36 PM
You do remember Hamburg last year and it was Gaudio causing Federer the problems and a lack of nerve by Gaston in the crucial 3rd set when he needed to serve to stay in the match that was the difference. Note the better player won the match and deservedly so, but if you saw the match and say Gaudio didn't cause Federer problems then you're kidding.

Right...To quote yourself. its the "W" that counts.

Gaudio can give fed all the problems he wants. Im not disputing gaudio's skill here. He is a fantastic clay player. He just cant beat federer atm whereas other claycourters who are not as accomplished have done so.

I said Federer gives gaudio problems, because atm gaudio "is" the better claycourter, which is why i said fed gives him problems. If federer were better i would have worded it differently. :)

World Beater
04-12-2005, 11:45 PM
Seeing as Moya hasn't been doing much lately, and Coria owns him anyways... perhaps that's why he wasn't the first to roll off his tongue. Generally he has had nothing but good things to say about Moya - Hell, he even asked him for his SHIRT once - so I wouldn't get too upset about that.

Hmmm. Maybe my wording was bad. I am not upset at all. Just a little surprised that Coria mentioned Roddick instead of Moya, but some explanations have been offered that seem rational.

I never take tennis too seriously or these fan boards. Its for fun after all :)

Also, I have nothing against coria, nor am I a "huge" fan of Moya. I hope none of this came through that post.

You may be right about the Cora-moya idol thing. I seem to recall Coria's game likened to moya's when he was younger. I believe they used to call him mini-moya.

mandoura
04-13-2005, 12:00 AM
He did say "There are many of them". Ok, he named a few but we cannot expect him to name the entire entry list. He just mentionned the names that came to his mind at the time. This does not mean he disrespects anyone.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 12:09 AM
Right...To quote yourself. its the "W" that counts.

It's a great quote too. :)

Gaudio can give fed all the problems he wants. Im not disputing gaudio's skill here. He is a fantastic clay player. He just cant beat federer atm whereas other claycourters who are not as accomplished have done so.

The thing is he has and will cause Federer problems on the surface, however there is that huge mental block in his head that he needs to get rid of if he is going to be beat Federer on this surface in the future. I wouldn't know Costa and Guga aren't what I would call less accomplished players on the surface.

I said Federer gives gaudio problems, because atm gaudio "is" the better claycourter, which is why i said fed gives him problems. If federer were better i would have worded it differently. :)

Federer is the numero uno and even on his worst surface he is still one of the best. It doesn't help a player if they go on court and don't believe they can win, but if they play on clay after his RG triumph, it's a match I look forward to as I always do when they play.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 12:32 AM
It's a great quote too. :)



The thing is he has and will cause Federer problems on the surface, however there is that huge mental block in his head that he needs to get rid of if he is going to be beat Federer on this surface in the future. I wouldn't know Costa and Guga aren't what I would call less accomplished players on the surface.



Federer is the numero uno and even on his worst surface he is still one of the best. It doesn't help a player if they go on court and don't believe they can win, but if they play on clay after his RG triumph, it's a match I look forward to as I always do when they play.


Horna, Mantilla. Granted that this was when federer had some doubts

Gaudio was in the form of his life during that clay season. It was evidenced during RG. I can safely say he was playing better than costa and guga during that part of the season. Therefore it seems strange to see him losing to federer and yes i am well aware of gaudio's match closing abilities. It is a function of his matchup with federer rather than his overall mental instability. He won many matches in RG where this problem didnt show up. In fact his fighting spirit is what saved him in the end!

Would you venture to say that federer is better than gaudio on clay right now? I wouldnt, which is why i said it like that.

In response to the original question, I was nonetheless surprised when coria said roger would have a lot of trouble playing gaudio. No doubt Gaudio will give fed tough matches, but it seemed like he was implying that gaudio will beat federer, which he hasnt.

Sjengster
04-13-2005, 01:11 AM
"The form of his life" consisted of a 2nd round in Monte Carlo and 1st round exits in Rome and Hamburg; granted he made the Barcelona final and took out Moya en route, but there was nothing in his performances in the big events that suggested he was in great form. That loss to Hewitt in Monte Carlo said it all, it was only when he got revenge after nearly gagging again at the WTC that he gained the confidence to battle through the early rounds in Paris against Canas and Novak. He wasn't playing unbelievably against Federer by any means, but still had six breakpoints in the first set and should have won the second set 6-1, rather than 7-5. Kuerten certainly played a far better match against Federer at RG, but then he has more big weapons than Gaudio on any surface.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 01:14 AM
"The form of his life" consisted of a 2nd round in Monte Carlo and 1st round exits in Rome and Hamburg; granted he made the Barcelona final and took out Moya en route, but there was nothing in his performances in the big events that suggested he was in great form. That loss to Hewitt in Monte Carlo said it all, it was only when he got revenge after nearly gagging again at the WTC that he gained the confidence to battle through the early rounds in Paris against Canas and Novak. He wasn't playing unbelievably against Federer by any means, but still had six breakpoints in the first set and should have won the second set 6-1, rather than 7-5. Kuerten certainly played a far better match against Federer at RG, but then he has more big weapons than Gaudio on any surface.

:haha: :haha:

Yes, this is all true, but costa and guga werent exactly in their prime, and i can safely say that gaudio at the time was better. Having break points means nothing.

If gaudio converted half of the break pts in his life, he would have won a davis cup and a hand full more of matches by now. Gaudio has always had chances against everyone.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 01:16 AM
I said he was in the form of his life, but said there was no evidence of it until RG.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:18 AM
Horna, Mantilla. Granted that this was when federer had some doubts.

No, Mantilla and Horna were much better that day and did the right things to win.

Gaudio was in the form of his life during that clay season. It was evidenced during RG. I can safely say he was playing better than costa and guga during that part of the season. Therefore it seems strange to see him losing to federer and yes i am well aware of gaudio's match closing abilities.

Hahahaha form of his life are you serious? So a 1st round loss in Estoril, a 2nd ross loss at Monte Carlo, a final in Barcelona and a 1st round loss in Rome are the form of his life? Come on that is laughable this is before he played Federer in Hamburg. If you don't believe that to be the case, check it out for yourself.

It is a function of his matchup with federer rather than his overall mental instability. He won many matches in RG where this problem didnt show up. In fact his fighting spirit is what saved him in the end!

It seems like you have just been following Gaudio's results since RG 2004 to say something like this. Gaudio was legendary for his ability to lose matches he should have won. Would you like me to catalogue all of them?

Would you venture to say that federer is better than gaudio on clay right now? I wouldnt, which is why i said it like that.

Is Federer better on clay, well in his match ups against Gaudio he has been, is he better overall on the surface that isn't such an easy question.

In response to the original question, I was nonetheless surprised when coria said roger would have a lot of trouble playing gaudio. No doubt Gaudio will give fed tough matches, but it seemed like he was implying that gaudio will beat federer, which he hasnt

Gaudio has improved a lot on the surface and has given him trouble before, but I don't see Coria was implying anything of the above.

Sjengster
04-13-2005, 01:20 AM
OK... tricky to pin down someone as being in the form of their life when there's no evidence of it, but I still contend that blowing six chances to break in the first set, and chances for a 5-1 lead in the second set, and then losing serve at 4-4 in the decider by letting a return drop in on a crucial point, are not subconscious signs of great form.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:23 AM
OK... tricky to pin down someone as being in the form of their life when there's no evidence of it, but I still contend that blowing six chances to break in the first set, and chances for a 5-1 lead in the second set, and then losing serve at 4-4 in the decider by letting a return drop in on a crucial point, are not subconscious signs of great form.

Or a sign of mental toughness? Actually we could write a book about the great Gaston's chokes.

WyveN
04-13-2005, 01:26 AM
Their next clay match would be fascinating but until Gaudio beats Roger, Federer is slight favourite even on clay.

Sjengster
04-13-2005, 01:27 AM
I can picture it now: foreword by Sebastien Grosjean ("This guy makes me look like an amateur!"), with contributions throughout from Juan Carlos Ferrero, Marat Safin, Roger Federer, Carlos Moya, Lleyton Hewitt... all with their own similar tale to tell.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:27 AM
Their next clay match would be fascinating but until Gaudio beats Roger, Federer is slight favourite even on clay.

It can't be denied that is true.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 01:30 AM
OK... tricky to pin down someone as being in the form of their life when there's no evidence of it, but I still contend that blowing six chances to break in the first set, and chances for a 5-1 lead in the second set, and then losing serve at 4-4 in the decider by letting a return drop in on a crucial point, are not subconscious signs of great form.

Having chances to open up a lead is a sign of good play. Unable to convert is a diff story that has been gaudio's problem his whole career.

Even today, gaudio is RG champ and plays some silly shots against agassi in critical situations. Does this mean he is in poor form? No. Is he a bit weird? Yes.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:36 AM
Even today, gaudio is RG champ and plays some silly shots against agassi in critical situations. Does this mean he is in poor form? No. Is he a bit weird? Yes.

Well he does things his way and you get all these people pissed off when he missed the cao against Agassi. Sure it was at a tough time, he makes it, he is a hero, if not he is an arsehole, that's the way it goes.

Form of his life last year coming into that respective match against Federer that is laughable. Useless info he has never won a 5 set match away RG.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 01:40 AM
No, Mantilla and Horna were much better that day and did the right things to win.



Hahahaha form of his life are you serious? So a 1st round loss in Estoril, a 2nd ross loss at Monte Carlo, a final in Barcelona and a 1st round loss in Rome are the form of his life? Come on that is laughable this is before he played Federer in Hamburg. If you don't believe that to be the case, check it out for yourself.



It seems like you have just been following Gaudio's results since RG 2004 to say something like this. Gaudio was legendary for his ability to lose matches he should have won. Would you like me to catalogue all of them?



Is Federer better on clay, well in his match ups against Gaudio he has been, is he better overall on the surface that isn't such an easy question.



Gaudio has improved a lot on the surface and has given him trouble before, but I don't see Coria was implying anything of the above.

Federer was not world #1 when he lost to both mantilla and horna, which is why i said he has his doubts. Surely there is a difference to losing to horna and losing to guga, no?

Coria said gaudio has a better game for clay and would be his favorite to win RG despite Roger's wins over both him and gaston.

On clay, he is saying gaston is better.

But im saying in a matchup situation Federer is better, but he has problems with other players rather than coria and gaudio. Coria said Federer would have too much trouble against gaudio. But i say federer has more trouble with others rather than gaudio on clay. Costa and Guga beat him, but gaudio hasnt.

I know of Gaston's chokes, which is why it is amazing he won RG. I categorize that as the tournament of his life in the clay season of his life, and many things that troubled him in the past did not haunt him in RG.

I once again say, a few weeks before Gaudio won RG, he was in better form than costa and guga. He might not have played a better match than costa and guga which is why he lost. But overall his RG win proves something certainly changed in the mind of gaudio.

I can say Gaston has a better record than fed on clay. I use this as the barometer for saying gaston is better than fed on clay as well as the fact that he is RG champ.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 01:47 AM
Well he does things his way and you get all these people pissed off when he missed the cao against Agassi. Sure it was at a tough time, he makes it, he is a hero, if not he is an arsehole, that's the way it goes.

Form of his life last year coming into that respective match against Federer that is laughable. Useless info he has never won a 5 set match away RG.

Alright, one more time

Gaudio was in the form of his life as evidenced by RG. This does not mean he was playing amazing against federer. But it means it is more likely than gaudio was in better form than costa and guga throughout the course of the clay season. Where was costa at RG? Other than defeating federer, what did guga do?

RogiFan88
04-13-2005, 01:48 AM
Was the last time Rogi beat Gaston on clay in Hamburg04 R1 in 3 sets? THAT was before RG... it will be different now if they meet on clay... Gaston will beat Rogi and it will be sooner than later I suspect. ;)

Sjengster
04-13-2005, 01:48 AM
Horna's grunt is more vicious, though less piercing.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:52 AM
Federer was not world #1 when he lost to both mantilla and horna, which is why i said he has his doubts. Surely there is a difference to losing to horna and losing to guga, no?

He wasn't prepared to get dirty and grind in the matches with Horna and Mantilla and he was still the much better player then. Mantilla was too tough for him and Guga outplayed him. He is always making excuses about the centre court in Paris.

Coria said gaudio has a better game for clay and would be his favorite to win RG despite Roger's wins over both him and gaston.

On clay, he is saying gaston is better.

Gaudio would have a better game for clay that is obvious, it doesn't mean he is favourite.

But im saying in a matchup situation Federer is better, but he has problems with other players rather than coria and gaudio. Coria said Federer would have too much trouble against gaudio. But i say federer has more trouble with others rather than gaudio on clay. Costa and Guga beat him, but gaudio hasnt.

You use doubts to excuse Federer's losses to Horna and Mantilla and I'll use them in this case. If you saw that Hamburg match and there wasn't a lack of conviction in Gaudio on that day, then what does classify as a lack of conviction? Federer has troubles with Gaudio on clay playing against a guy not in form and Federer got the right result. He has problems with him, but has found a way to win and that is what counts.

I know of Gaston's chokes, which is why it is amazing he won RG. I categorize that as the tournament of his life in the clay season of his life, and many things that troubled him in the past did not haunt him in RG.

He was always good enough to do so, but overcame his demons and won it. Yes, he wasn't troubled in that 5th set at all.

I once again say, a few weeks before Gaudio won RG, he was in better form than costa and guga. He might not have played a better match than costa and guga which is why he lost. But overall his RG win proves something certainly changed in the mind of gaudio.

It's still not the case, if he was a consistent QF then maybe, but if someone has 1st and 2nd round losses they are not in the form of their life. If you want to take it in 2002 when he won back to back Barcelona and Mallorca, or Via Del Mar and Buenos Aires, or his finals in Bstad, Stuttgart or Kitzbhel then I'd agree without hesitation.

I can say Gaston has a better record than fed on clay. I use this as the barometer for saying gaston is better than fed on clay as well as the fact that he is RG champ

Agassi had a better record at RG than Muster, but he couldn't hold a candle to Muster on clay as was shown in their H2H record on clay.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:56 AM
Alright, one more time

Gaudio was in the form of his life as evidenced by RG. This does not mean he was playing amazing against federer. But it means it is more likely than gaudio was in better form than costa and guga throughout the course of the clay season. Where was costa at RG? Other than defeating federer, what did guga do?

No, one more time look at the evidence clearly stated before as to why Gaudio was not in form when he met Federer in Hamburg. That is all I am talking about, nothing after Hamburg in this case counts.

Costa is only relevant to the Rome match. Coria was in form when Federer beat him at Hamburg and not Gaudio or do you want to dispute all those wins he had in a row and say that wasn't good form.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 01:57 AM
Was the last time Rogi beat Gaston on clay in Hamburg04 R1 in 3 sets? THAT was before RG... it will be different now if they meet on clay... Gaston will beat Rogi and it will be sooner than later I suspect. ;)

Yes, it was.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 02:03 AM
You used excuses for federer as well

You said he wasnt prepared to get down and dirty.

how is this different to what i said about federer's confidence.

BTW Saying that federer had doubts is not an excuse. He lost to the better player. But it might explain why he is a better player now! I didnt mean for it to be an excuse. Sorry if it came out that way.

Do not compare gaudio and federer to muster and agassi. Federer has done nothing at RG. Agassi did win it. Muster won a whole host of tournaments in addition to RG.

Federer has won two TMS. Gaudio has won RG. Which is better?

owyn
04-13-2005, 02:08 AM
i personally think guille is right! fed is not a natural clay courter, guille, gaudio and turtle have to put as favorites even over federer. i'm backing guille all the way :)

Blaze
04-13-2005, 02:10 AM
i personally think guille is right! fed is not a natural clay courter, guille, gaudio and turtle have to put as favorites even over federer. i'm backing guille all the way :)


Fed grew up on clay.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 02:11 AM
Coria was in form when Federer beat him at Hamburg and not Gaudio or do you want to dispute all those wins he had in a row and say that wasn't good form.

Sorry, what does coria have to do with gaudio and federer and their respective matchup?

I was talking about what coria said in relation to gaudio and federer. Coria made it clear Gaudio is better on clay. This is true from RG. Gaudio may not beat federer, but he still is better on the surface overall.

Why would i want to dispute coria's good form? It only adds to the fact that federer will be able to handle him despite the fact that Coria had a better record overall and for many is the better clay player. Final @ RG, win at Carlo

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:12 AM
You used excuses for federer as well

You said he wasnt prepared to get down and dirty.

how is this different to what i said about federer's confidence.


How is he not being prepared to get down and dirty when he needed to do so an excuse? I don't make excuses for Federer's defeats, considering when Mantilla and Horna won those matches I had to deal with some Fed fans trying to denigrate those 2 guys victories. The better players on that day won, there is no doubt about that.

BTW Saying that federer had doubts is not an excuse. He lost to the better player. But it might explain why he is a better player now! I didnt mean for it to be an excuse. Sorry if it came out that way.

You accuse me of making excuses for players defeats. I don't do that and I am just using your own line of reasoning here.

Do not compare gaudio and federer to muster and agassi. Federer has done nothing at RG. Agassi did win it. Muster won a whole host of tournaments in addition to RG.

I wasn't aware of their respective records.

Federer has won two TMS. Gaudio has won RG. Which is better

Winning Houston.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 02:15 AM
i personally think guille is right! fed is not a natural clay courter, guille, gaudio and turtle have to put as favorites even over federer. i'm backing guille all the way :)

Just because you dont stand behind the baseline and hit with massive topspin doesnt mean you are not a nat clay courter.

Oh yes, if you are not from the following countries, you clearly are not a clay courter. Spain, Portugal, eastern europe, SA.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:17 AM
Sorry, what does coria have to do with gaudio and federer and their respective matchup?

Nothing actually, but the form comment is one that I didn't agree with.

I was talking about what coria said in relation to gaudio and federer. Coria made it clear Gaudio is better on clay. This is true from RG. Gaudio may not beat federer, but he still is better on the surface overall.

Everyone knows Gaudio fluked his RG win.

Why would i want to dispute coria's good form? It only adds to the fact that federer will be able to handle him despite the fact that Coria had a better record overall and for many is the better clay player. Final @ RG, win at Carlo

You were the one who said Gaudio was in the form of his life before he met Federer in Hamburg and the evidence presented showed that was not the case. So I used an extreme example of someone (Coria) who could be deemed to be in form on that particular surface in that timeframe, which makes Federer's final win outstanding.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-13-2005, 02:22 AM
Everyone knows Gaudio fluked his RG win.

He sure did. Let's see what the little man can do when players have their radars on, no more going through draws unnoticed and ignored like last year.

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 02:22 AM
Gaudio should win tomorrow.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:24 AM
Gaudio should win tomorrow.

Today isn't that important.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:25 AM
He sure did. Let's see what the little man can do when players have their radars on, no more going through draws unnoticed and ignored like last year.

You missed the joke I see.

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 02:25 AM
It's not important tomorrow.
Yeah, but still.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-13-2005, 02:27 AM
You missed the joke I see.

I see you missed mine also.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:28 AM
I see you missed mine also.

1-1.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-13-2005, 02:28 AM
Ok in all seriousness, comments should be reserved until the end of Rome, I'd like to see Gaston in some big matches with all the pressure now.

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 02:28 AM
Gaudio's backhand = 1-0

World Beater
04-13-2005, 02:29 AM
How is he not being prepared to get down and dirty when he needed to do so an excuse? I don't make excuses for Federer's defeats, considering when Mantilla and Horna won those matches I had to deal with some Fed fans trying to denigrate those 2 guys victories. The better players on that day won, there is no doubt about that.



You accuse me of making excuses for players defeats. I don't do that and I am just using your own line of reasoning here.



I wasn't aware of their respective records.



Winning Houston.

I was talking abt clay. You knew that.

There is no need to mock me.

I know perfectly well you knew their records(muster and agassi), but then why bring up the analogy?

Go read the posts, you accuse me of making excuses first. Or should i bold it and quote it here? You mentioned the word "excuse" first, not me./

Saying that he needs to get down and dirty when he didnt is an excuse. It is implying something about his state of mind at RG. Obviosuly, federer has the game to win on clay and beat horna and mantilla. He didnt thats what counts. Same case as in gaudio's.

I am ready to learn from such knowledgeable posters as yourself, by hearing your opinions. But when you laugh and mock someone, you relieve yourself of credibility.

You said it yourself when you mentioned that federer was better than mantilla, but still lost. Why is this? There is an explanation, no? This explanation is called an excuse. You gave me your explanation in your previous post. I find it funny you accuse me of excuses, yet you are now using them. I never once mentioned the word excuse, but gave a possible reason why he is #1 now, and not then.

I never once said that Gaudio played great that day, but said that RG was his defining tournament. If my phrase, "form of his life" is misleading, I apologize. But then it seems we are not all ready to admit certain things and learn from others' insights.

Because he won RG, and hadn't done anything in the past on clay of this magnitude, it is only reasonable to conclude it was his best season. It may not have been costa and kuerten's though.

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 02:29 AM
Ok in all seriousness, comments should be reserved until the end of Rome, I'd like to see Gaston in some big matches with all the pressure now.
He will go far @ MC so we shall see soon.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:29 AM
Ok in all seriousness, comments should be reserved until the end of Rome, I'd like to see Gaston in some big matches with all the pressure now.

There isn't any pressure actually?

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 02:30 AM
I was talking abt clay. You knew that.

There is no need to mock me.


Gotta love Big George.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 02:31 AM
Gotta love Big George.

I sincerely love george ;)

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 02:32 AM
:hearts:

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 02:43 AM
I was talking abt clay. You knew that.

There is no need to mock me.


Feel loved.

Go read the posts, you accuse me of making excuses first. Or should i bold it and quote it here? You mentioned the word "excuse" first, not me./

I don't make excuses for players I like, so why would I start now?

Saying that he needs to get down and dirty when he didnt is an excuse. It is implying something about his state of mind at RG. Obviosuly, federer has the game to win on clay and beat horna and mantilla. He didnt thats what counts. Same case as in gaudio's.

Federer when complaining about the Centre Court in Paris = excusesSaying that he needs to grind and get down dirty when it's not going his way on clay and he didn't do that how does that equal an excuse?

I am ready to learn from such knowledgeable posters as yourself, by hearing your opinions. But when you laugh and mock someone, you relieve yourself of credibility.

This place can't be taken seriously.

You said it yourself when you mentioned that federer was better than mantilla, but still lost. Why is this? There is an explanation, no? This explanation is called an excuse. You gave me your explanation in your previous post. I find it funny you accuse me of excuses, yet you are now using them. I never once mentioned the word excuse, but gave a possible reason why he is #1 now, and not then.

Ok, Federer is a better player than Mantilla do you want to dispute this? He always has been and always will be. For your information I am a huge Mantilla fan, and that is being realistic. Why Federer lost this match are for the very simple reasons that Mantilla kept outstanding length, running everything down, he never gave up and took his chances in that final? Federer got frustrated and wasn't capable on that day of taking his chances or change the play to suit his strengths? So tell me is that an excuse?

I never once said that Gaudio played great that day, but said that RG was his defining tournament. If my phrase, "form of his life" is misleading, I apologize. But then it seems we are not all ready to admit certain things and learn from others' insights.

It was only ever about that day in Hamburg and after that they haven't met on clay. Considering I have learnt a lot here from other people that second part of the statement isn't accurate. One huge factor in your favour is that you can back up your respective points.

Because he won RG, and hadn't done anything in the past on clay of this magnitude, it is only reasonable to conclude it was his best season. It may not have been costa and kuerten's though.

He wasn't a serious contender before RG, there are 2 phases of Gaudio's career before RG and after RG and you are confusing them, that is why the form of his life as pointed out by Sjengster and myself is misleading.

World Beater
04-13-2005, 04:25 AM
This place can't be taken seriously.
.

You shouldnt take me too seriously then. ;)

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 04:27 AM
You shouldnt take me too seriously then. ;)

Since when I have mocked anyone in this place? That would mean something would have to matter for your last statement to be true then.

tennischick
04-13-2005, 04:29 AM
Fed grew up on clay.
ah...i forgot this. that explains why he moves so naturally. i so enjoyed watching him slide ;)

love your new avatar Eowyn :lol:

World Beater
04-13-2005, 04:32 AM
Since when I have mocked anyone in this place? That would mean something would have to matter for your last statement to be true then.

Hence, the comment "not taken to be serious"

darnyelb
04-13-2005, 05:08 AM
Coria is absolutely right, except for Roddick. Good interview.

NATAS81
04-13-2005, 05:14 AM
If the tournament is in Houston or anywhere in America for that matter, then I agree with his take on Roddick.

Action Jackson
04-13-2005, 05:17 AM
Hence, the comment "not taken to be serious"

Seriously, would you stop being so serious.

Levo.
04-13-2005, 10:01 AM
2005 Roland Garros Final

Coria def Hewitt 6-3 2-6 6-7 7-6 7-5 ;)

Adman
04-13-2005, 10:20 AM
I think this is where Federer might have to up his game a little more to tackle some of the best clay courrt players.