Is Federer vs. Nadal a future rivarly?

From what we saw today I really think that there may be a potential rivalry that could develop between these two. Nadal is still really young and as he improves his game I think these two could form a great rivalry. No one else has been able to come close to beating Federer with the exception of Safin, but no one is sure whether Safin will have it within himself to form a rivalry with Federer.

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.

Who gives a crap about rivalries, just another media marketing term to sell the game.

Who gives a crap about rivalries, just another media marketing term to sell the game.
Um, I give a crap? Frankly, if Hewitt could actually still beat Federer sometimes, I would take interest in their matches. As it is, I don't.

Regardless, as I said, Nadal is not the right person to look to as a future contender. He should still be playing juniors.

Chloe? You're saying this?? :scared:

Chloe? You're saying this?? :scared:
Yup. It's totally true too. I don't know why Rafa bothers. He's clearly not good enough to play on the ATP.

there's definitely potential for a great rivalry, time will tell.

nice try! :boxing:

Rafa should take his cheese digging back to the juniors where it belongs!



This isn't ever going to get boring. I might have to do a new variation on the "Rafa blows" signature each week

Um, I give a crap? Frankly, if Hewitt could actually still beat Federer sometimes, I would take interest in their matches. As it is, I don't.

Regardless, as I said, Nadal is not the right person to look to as a future contender. He should still be playing juniors.

I could have worded and should have worded that better, had a bad day already.

In reality I have a problem with the world rivalry and the need for some fans and media to go on about it and bemoan the lack of them in tennis. There are some fans who just enjoy the matches even the Enqvist vs Söderling ones.

If they are good matches, then enjoy the ride and appreciate them, but is there a real need to go on about rivalries.

Yup. It's totally true too. I don't know why Rafa bothers. He's clearly not good enough to play on the ATP.

You speak the truth cantankerous one.

You know the worst part of Rafa's game? He wears CAPRIS. Intollerable. Capris are for junior calibre players with no future. Like Rafa.

I could have worded and should have worded that better, had a bad day already.

In reality I have a problem with the world rivalry and the need for some fans and media to go on about it and bemoan the lack of them in tennis. There are some fans who just enjoy the matches even the Enqvist vs Söderling ones.

If they are good matches, then enjoy the ride and appreciate them, but is there a real need to go on about rivalries.

What about the commercial aspect of the game? it needs to be sold to ordinary folks more than the die-hard fans since they out-number us by far. If these "rivalries" mean more viewers, we all win too.

Maybe I should start a Rafa hate thread where we can talk about such fascinating topics as:

1) His capris
2) How he's a junior calibre player
3) How he can only hit topspin forehands. Nothing else.
4) How he has no serve.
5) How Federer will win all remaining matches 6-0 6-0 6-0
6) How he picks his butt
7) How he pumps himself up.
8) How his left arm is bigger than his right arm.
9) How he has long hair.
10) How he's peaked at 18.
11) How he's just so totally overrated.
12) How he is "anti tennis"
13) *insert topic I have missed here*

I'll consider this possibility for tomorrow.

Sorry to hijack the thread with a summary of every asinine comment I've read so far today. I couldn't help it.

What about the commercial aspect of the game? it needs to be sold to ordinary folks more than the die-hard fans since they out-number us by far. If these "rivalries" mean more viewers, we all win too.

Tennis is a niche sport and always will be a niche sport, it'll never be number 1 sport in any country it's played in for many obvious reasons, which I don't need to go in here.

If someone is interested enough in the game, they'll follow it whatever, if not who needs fairweather fans. Some people are intelligent enough to work that out for themselves.

Maybe I should start a Rafa hate thread where we can talk about such fascinating topics as:

1) His capris
2) How he's a junior calibre player
3) How he can only hit topspin forehands. Nothing else.
4) How he has no serve.
5) How Federer will win all remaining matches 6-0 6-0 6-0
6) How he picks his butt
7) How he pumps himself up.
8) How his left arm is bigger than his right arm.
9) How he has long hair.
10) How he's peaked at 18.
11) How he's just so totally overrated.
12) *insert topic I have missed here*

I'll consider this possibility for tomorrow.

Sorry to hijack the thread with a summary of every asinine comment I've read so far today. I couldn't help it.

Go ahead and you'll get help as well.

Don't forget from the great ys Nadal is a lefthander.

I refuse to acknowledge ys' trolls. I have to draw the line somewhere.

I refuse to acknowledge ys' trolls. I have to draw the line somewhere.

Well you know where my line is drawn and as for the match I am not going to comment on it as there is no need as the Mensa Tennis Forums have spoken enough already.

Well you know where my line is drawn and as for the match I am not going to comment on it as there is no need as the Mensa Tennis Forums have spoken enough already.
I'm just glad that the people who actually know what they are talking about give Rafa more credit that *some* people around here do - his opponents :)

I'm just glad that the people who actually know what they are talking about give Rafa more credit that *some* people around here do - his opponents :)

Just remember he is a Spaniard and a dirty claycourter, we can't have these type of people in hardcourt finals.

Where is the "No, Rafa will kick his ass from now on" option? :confused:

Just remember he is a Spaniard and a dirty claycourter, we can't have these type of people in hardcourt finals.
He got really lucky this week. That will never happen again.

He got really lucky this week. That will never happen again.

How could I have thought otherwise.

Way to early to call it a rivalry but it has far more potential then Roger and most of the top 20.

Given Nadal's success in his career you'd almost have to question if Roger is competition for Nadal seeing how Rafa has surpasses Federer in this aspect.

He already has the advantage on clay and took Roger to 5 on a HC. Certainly rival stuff.

No, you have it all wrong. Federer only struggles against Rafa because he has coincidentally played at 5% of his abilities both times they have played. Next time he will play at 15% and win 0 and 0. Rafa's really just not very good. Fed's just kidding when he says that. So is Hewitt. So is Roddick. So is Moya. Okay, Moya's opinion doesn't count.

I'd like to know who continues to vote "absolute no fucking way! Nadal is a no talent suck!" so that I have some sort of idea who I'm ripping in this thread. :)

I'd like to know who continues to vote "absolute no fucking way! Nadal is a no talent suck!" so that I have some sort of idea who I'm ripping in this thread. :)
You mean so you know who to goodrep. ;)

chloe is on the warpath :lol: :scared:

chloe is on the warpath :lol: :scared:
Certainly Chloe is in the running to win the Roland HateDal Slam.

If he plays like he did today in the first three sets consistently, yep

chloe is on the warpath :lol: :scared:
At least I waited half a day until I could be good natured about it :p

Certainly Chloe is in the running to win the Roland HateDal Slam.
I will not be denied my dream :hearts:

If he plays like he did today in the first three sets consistently, yep
No, see, Rafa wasn't playing in those first sets. Roger was just feeding him balls and throwing him a bone every other point by shanking a volley. Rafa will only ever "play" like that again if Roger lets him.

Needless to say, their first two matches don't count, because Roger wasn't trying.

No, see, Rafa wasn't playing in those first sets. Roger was just feeding him balls and throwing him a bone every other point by shanking a volley. Rafa will only ever "play" like that again if Roger lets him.

Needless to say, their first two matches don't count, because Roger wasn't trying.
Rodge just wanted to give his "insiders" better live betting odds.

Rodge just wanted to give his "insiders" better live betting odds.
How kind of him :D

Rodge just wanted to give his "insiders" better live betting odds.

i've got the fed express at number 1 on my speed dial, just say the word.....

Come on you 9 "RAFA BLOWS NOBODY WILL HIT WITH FED EVA!" voters. Get a backbone and put forth your reasons!

Come on you 9 "RAFA BLOWS NOBODY WILL HIT WITH FED EVA!" voters. Get a backbone and put forth your reasons!

the obvious reason is to wind you up :p

i've got the fed express at number 1 on my speed dial, just say the word.....
Only Coria surely would follow at a close #2..

lmfao @ his 1st set collapse 1-6 to that one dude @ Mi AM Aiiii

Come on you 9 "RAFA BLOWS NOBODY WILL HIT WITH FED EVA!" voters. Get a backbone and put forth your reasons!
They're busy examing his various Exhibit A-Z pictures of him in Capris.

the obvious reason is to wind you up :p

I disagree. Most of those votes were there before I entered the thread. I like when polls are public so that I know who is and isn't worth discussing things seirously with :p

They're busy examing his various Exhibit A-Z pictures of him in Capris.
They're probably wondering where they can get a pair :)

I'm going to go buy myself loose fitting capris this week :yeah:

How kind of him :D
Rafa and Gaston should establish the FedCor appreciation society....it's the least they could do

I disagree. Most of those votes were there before I entered the thread. I like when polls are public so that I know who is and isn't worth discussing things seirously with :p
Browse through ys' scriptures and you'll find one first-hand.

They're probably wondering where they can get a pair :)

I'm going to go buy myself loose fitting capris this week :yeah:
Rafa should still go ab-high with those bad boys. The fashion statement of men's tennis to another level...

Couldn't think of a better way to show your Nadal support. Rock on! :rocker2:

I'm thinking of dying my hair black and adding a hairpiece myself with white Nike headband!!!

Browse through ys' scriptures and you'll find one first-hand.
The thing about ys is that he does know what he's talking about when he wants to... he just doesn't want to very often, for whatever reason.

Rafa should still go ab-high with those bad boys. The fashion statement of men's tennis to another level...

While he's at it, maybe he should wear warmup boots too.

Couldn't think of a better way to show your Nadal support. Rock on! :rocker2:

:yeah:

I'm actually not buying them to support Rafa, but I'll be sure to call them my "Rafa pants" anyways.

I'm thinking of dying my hair black and adding a hairpiece myself with white Nike headband!!!

You GO Girl! :rocker2:

The thing about ys is that he does know what he's talking about when he wants to... he just doesn't want to very often, for whatever reason.
Personally it's the WTA methodology rubbing off on his Russian outtakes.

Personally it's the WTA methodology rubbing off on his Russian outtakes.
Possibly, although he did give a fair assessment of Andreev at the USO last year.

While he's at it, maybe he should wear warmup boots too.
Yes! Serena style baby!!! Black leather has the Senioritas melting in the hot Miami sun!!!

I'm actually not buying them to support Rafa, but I'll be sure to call them my "Rafa pants" anyways.
Dawesome!!! Maybe throw a Leafs jersey on top and you'll have your basic favs covered!! lol!!

You GO Girl! :rocker2:
KILLAH!!! :rocker2:

Yes! Serena style baby!!! Black leather has the Senioritas melting in the hot Miami sun!!!


Dawesome!!! Maybe throw a Leafs jersey on top and you'll have your basic favs covered!! lol!!


KILLAH!!! :rocker2:

I have a picture of Rafa in a Leafs Jersey somewhere :devil:

I have a picture of Rafa in a Leafs Jersey somewhere :devil:
Yes! The most treasured resemblement of all that is RAFALICIOUS in one pic!!! Chlo has spoken! :worship: :lick:

*bump*

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.

Some things never change.

I would just like to state that my opinion on this matter has not changed. Rafael Nadal blows. It's only a matter of time before he becomes Ginepri's bitch.

End of discussion.

Maybe I should start a Rafa hate thread where we can talk about such fascinating topics as:

1) His capris
2) How he's a junior calibre player
3) How he can only hit topspin forehands. Nothing else.
4) How he has no serve.
5) How Federer will win all remaining matches 6-0 6-0 6-0
6) How he picks his butt
7) How he pumps himself up.
8) How his left arm is bigger than his right arm.
9) How he has long hair.
10) How he's peaked at 18.
11) How he's just so totally overrated.
12) How he is "anti tennis"
13) *insert topic I have missed here*

I'll consider this possibility for tomorrow.

Sorry to hijack the thread with a summary of every asinine comment I've read so far today. I couldn't help it.

Hmmm... you forgot to mention: Rafa has stolen every bit of glory Coria had, and has made him his number one .... BITCH !!!

Hmmm... you forgot to mention: Rafa has stolen every bit of glory Coria had, and has made him his number one .... BITCH !!!
Erm, if you say so.

Right now, the record is 1-1. By the year's end, it will be 4-1 Nadal

Right now, the record is 1-1. By the year's end, it will be 4-1 Nadal
Only if Fed plays left handed and in a wheelchair.

Nadal and roger won't play again after this. People shouldn't expect Nadal to consistently go deep at harcourt events. The summer hardcourts are not as slow as Miami. Forget about them likely meeting indoors for a long time same with grass.

Only if Fed plays left handed and in a wheelchair.

You forgot to add while being blindfolded with his right and left arms being tied behind his back and even then I don't know how much of a chance Nadal has. I see the score being 7-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-7, 7-6 if Nadal gets some lucky breaks. Unfortunately Nadal will then lose to Bye in the next round provided he can beat his opponent.

you forgot to mention: Rafa has stolen every bit of glory Coria had, and has made him his number one .... BITCH !!! posted by Vingarafel

Dont Agree...Coria is not that Exhausting Player...he dropped his glory himself somewhere..

Only if Fed plays left handed and in a wheelchair.

Hey Fat Ass, grow some confidence in your favorite player. Pray. Hope. Whatever. But you are very mean to Nadal. He hates you

Nadal and roger won't play again after this. People shouldn't expect Nadal to consistently go deep at harcourt events. The summer hardcourts are not as slow as Miami. Forget about them likely meeting indoors for a long time same with grass.

Right cuz, just like Karen(Chloe) said, Nadal sucks.

Hey Fat Ass, grow some confidence in your favorite player. Pray. Hope. Whatever. But you are very mean to Nadal. He hates you

American College Wooo!! :cool:

You forgot to add while being blindfolded with his right and left arms being tied behind his back and even then I don't know how much of a chance Nadal has. I see the score being 7-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-7, 7-6 if Nadal gets some lucky breaks. Unfortunately Nadal will then lose to Bye in the next round provided he can beat his opponent.

He'll probably have some matchpoints, but ultimately Roger will save them with a couple awesome headbutts over the net. Poor Rafa.

Hey Fat Ass, grow some confidence in your favorite player. Pray. Hope. Whatever. But you are very mean to Nadal. He hates you

He'll get over it. JCF did.

Right cuz, just like Karen(Chloe) said, Nadal sucks.

Karen is NOT an acceptable pet name for me.

Karen is NOT an acceptable pet name for me.

lol...I guess I will just have to call you Karen in secret. :)

lol...I guess I will just have to call you Karen in secret. :)
In secret, yes. Like, in secret when I'm not there and have no way of finding out.

In secret, yes. Like, in secret when I'm not there and have no way of finding out.


Haha...yea sorry Karen, I mean..shit...um.... :o

Haha...yea sorry Karen, I mean..shit...um.... :o
Ugh. Nap time.

Ugh. Nap time.

Ohh shush...would you rather I call you Patty?

Yes. But it really is nap time ;)

It's actually a big rivalry indeed.

It is on clay, not too sure about other surfaces though, people are forgetting, Nadal is at his peak right now, he dosen't get much better then this, then he is on clay! I think Federer has a lot more variety at the moment then Nadal. Nadal is going to have to work very very hard for the other slams and as of right now, does not have the tools and vareity to compete with Federer. He can get a lot better, but im just saying what I think so.

It is on clay, not too sure about other surfaces though, people are forgetting, Nadal is at his peak right now, he dosen't get much better then this, then he is on clay! I think Federer has a lot more variety at the moment then Nadal. Nadal is going to have to work very very hard for the other slams and as of right now, does not have the tools and vareity to compete with Federer. He can get a lot better, but im just saying what I think so.
Note the word "future" in the title.

On clay - yes.. In Australia - maybe.. In spring US hardcourts - possible.. On grass or US summer hardcourts or indoors .. very unlikely..

Bullseye Ys. :yeah:

Wow, so many great posts in this thread.

definitely worthy of a bump

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.

:lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol:

That was irony if I'm not mistaken.

This was the best thread bump in awhile. Great replies.

That was irony if I'm not mistaken.

And quite obviously so, but to some... it will always be in vain. :sad: :sad: :sad:

:haha:

It was much more of a rivalry back in 2005 than what it is these days.

That was irony if I'm not mistaken.

unfortunately that was lost on me.

And quite obviously so, but to some... it will always be in vain. :sad: :sad: :sad:

:haha:

Being Chloe... ;)

unfortunately that was lost on me.

Hardly surprising.

Hardly surprising.

why is that?

Their rivilary is already something special and has the potential to go further.

It was much more of a rivalry back in 2005 than what it is these days.

Well on clay 8-1 Nadal, off clay 5-2 Federer. Make of that what you will.

wow...

hey, that chloe chick was really full of sh!t wasnt she...

funny stuff...

Good call

unfortunately that was lost on me.

Must admit I completely took the bait too at first, but if you read a bit further on into the thread she gives the game away that she was being ironic. Deadpan much!? Great bump though, regardless.

Oh dear me, Chloe was proved horribly wrong.

From what we saw today I really think that there may be a potential rivalry that could develop between these two. Nadal is still really young and as he improves his game I think these two could form a great rivalry. No one else has been able to come close to beating Federer with the exception of Safin, but no one is sure whether Safin will have it within himself to form a rivalry with Federer.

U can really foresee the future. Great thread.

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.

Fortune teller 2.0 :hearts:

Wow, so many great posts in this thread.

definitely worthy of a bump

Not really. :rolleyes:

Well on clay 8-1 Nadal, off clay 5-2 Federer. Make of that what you will.

Yes, like I said, not a real rivalry.

Want a real rivalry? Federer-Nalbandian.

This Chloe :haha:

Yes, like I said, not a real rivalry.

Want a real rivalry? Federer-Nalbandian.

That's not a rivalry. That's a close H2H.
Don't see how 12GS for Federer and 1 GS final for Nalbandian is a rivalry.

That's not a rivalry. That's a close H2H.
Don't see how 12GS for Federer and 1 GS final for Nalbandian is a rivalry.

I never said they had a close battle for GS titles.

In that case, Federer's only rivalry would be with Sampras. :shrug:

Yes, like I said, not a real rivalry.

Want a real rivalry? Federer-Nalbandian.

Federer-Nalbandian is a rivalry and their matches on faster surfaces often prove to be higher quality matches than the ones with Nadal. But you can't ignore the significance of each Nadal-Federer match. All of their grand slam finals have been of great historical significance, and they are playing in already their 5th Grand Slam final.

That makes Federer-Nadal a better rivalry in my opinion, even if the Nalbandian-Federer matchups are more competitive.

Sorry guys but the main man to beat will be Joker from now on !
Its gonna be Fedex - Joker on HC.
And soon Rafa - JOker on clay !

Sorry guys but the main man to beat will be Joker from now on !
Its gonna be Fedex - Joker on HC.
And soon Rafa - JOker on clay !

Sure....Djokovic to win the next 10 slams!! BOOK IT!!

Chloe le Bopper is such a stupid hater.

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.

You were so right :D

Chloe le Bopper is such a stupid hater.

Are you really that dense?

From what we saw today I really think that there may be a potential rivalry that could develop between these two. Nadal is still really young and as he improves his game I think these two could form a great rivalry. No one else has been able to come close to beating Federer with the exception of Safin, but no one is sure whether Safin will have it within himself to form a rivalry with Federer.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

No coincidence that this poster has (where is he/she, btw?) both Fed and Raf in her siggie. :angel:

Sorry guys but the main man to beat will be Joker from now on !
Its gonna be Fedex - Joker on HC.
And soon Rafa - JOker on clay !

and even sooner, Joker - Joker on grass.

I never said they had a close battle for GS titles.

In that case, Federer's only rivalry would be with Sampras. :shrug:

What? There is some misunderstanding between us.

Federer and Nadal have met in 13 finals.

With 5 being GS Finals, that ties Sampras/Agassi who met once in the AO, once in Wimbly and 3 times at the USO.

Chloe le Bopper is such a stupid hater.

You are not a hater. :) But you are obviously stupid :(.. Becca is one of the first and the truest Rafa's fans on these boards, and it takes a serious :devil: mental disability not to see that that post of hers is sarcastic as deep as the Earth liquid core.

I miss Becca here.. :sad:

Her reply to some of these retardish posts above would have been so much fun-to-read..

You were so right :D

I tend to be right about these mugs :cool:

Oh dear me, Chloe was proved horribly wrong.

I know.

How embarrassing!!!

Seriously, though. One month proves nothing.

Must admit I completely took the bait too at first, but if you read a bit further on into the thread she gives the game away that she was being ironic. Deadpan much!? Great bump though, regardless.
The best part is that at no point was I being even remotely subtle.

Um, I give a crap? Frankly, if Hewitt could actually still beat Federer sometimes, I would take interest in their matches. As it is, I don't.

Regardless, as I said, Nadal is not the right person to look to as a future contender. He should still be playing juniors.

:worship:

No irony in this post. Here's a nice recap of all of the Roger-Rafa matches (http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/federer_nadal.asp) for those new to the rivalry.

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.

i love accurate predictions :rolls:

i love accurate predictions :rolls:
This cannot be said enough: one month proves nothing. It's only a matter of time before order is restored in the tennis world and the pretenders are put back where the belong: in a cardboard box with no holes in it, adorned with the following label: "dirt is for pigs".

Hate to admit it, but this is not a rivalry. It's complete ownage by Nadal. No it isn't legitimiate to make a surface breakdown exception and exclude the clay. Clay is 33% of the game and Nadal completely dominates Federer on that surface. Now he's on the verge of dominating Federer off clay too.

This cannot be said enough: one month proves nothing. It's only a matter of time before order is restored in the tennis world and the pretenders are put back where the belong: in a cardboard box with no holes in it, adorned with the following label: "dirt is for pigs".

How? Nadal is 22 and has 3-4 years in his absolute prime. Federer has maybe 1 more "peak" year left.

This cannot be said enough: one month proves nothing. It's only a matter of time before order is restored in the tennis world and the pretenders are put back where the belong: in a cardboard box with no holes in it, adorned with the following label: "dirt is for pigs".

Absolutely! Nadal has no business winning titles on anything that's not red clay. It just goes to show how weak the rest of the men's field is at the moment!!

Absolutely not. Nadal is an overrated junior calibre player with no serve who can't do anything except smack topspin forehands from 10 feet behind the baseline all day. He's probably peaked already and will never be better than he is now. Federer will win all their remaining matches to love. Nadal's only chance to win points will be if Federer plays in a wheelchair. Even then it will be difficult.


Great prediction! Don't quit your day job, mate. ;)