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Federer Def Nadal 2-6 6-7 7-6 6-3 6-1 18W in row in final

El Legenda
04-03-2005, 08:55 PM
:sad: WHY NADAL WHY. YOU HAD THIS IS the 3RD. :mad: should just bet on Roger ;)

Nadal Choke?
Federer Woke Up?
Nadal tired?
Federer god?

Douggie Style
04-03-2005, 08:59 PM
Good fight!

deliveryman
04-03-2005, 08:59 PM
Nadal woke a sleeping giant, after he lost the 3rd set.

Black Adam
04-03-2005, 08:59 PM
Nadal choke........really deserved to win :sad: :bigcry:

lina_seta
04-03-2005, 09:00 PM
WHAT A MATCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ROGER WINS BEING " SSETS DOOWWWNNNNN
CONGRATS ROGER IM SO HAPPY UR THE GREATEST TENNIS PLAYER!!! GREATEST FIGHTER!

Billabong
04-03-2005, 09:00 PM
OH MY GODDDDDDDDD ROGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII:bounce:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH I left when it was 2-6, 6-7, and I come back to see this:eek::eek::eek::worship::worship:!!!!!!!!

Rogi you're the best:bowdown:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done, congrats, continue:D!!!

lina_seta
04-03-2005, 09:01 PM
Nadal choke........really deserved to win :sad: :bigcry:
roger iddnt play his very best until the end... wow!!! i never saw it coming!!!
but definitely... WHO WON THAT MATCH DESERVED IT!!!! *dances around the house* OMG OMG *still in disbelief*

Marine
04-03-2005, 09:01 PM
:lol:

BRAVO ROGER
:bigclap: :woohoo:

aceit
04-03-2005, 09:03 PM
:sad: He was just 2 points away...

But of course well deserved, Roger.

Noodles
04-03-2005, 09:03 PM
Amazing :worship:

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 09:03 PM
Great comeback Rog! Must admit, thought u were gone there in the 3rd...

PointBlank
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
Rafa :rolleyes:

Mechlan
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
AMAZING!

Props to Nadal for the fight he put up. Could have gone either way in that third. But an unbelievable effort by Roger. Truly worked to win this one. :worship:

MrOschie
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
:shrug:

Tennis Fool
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
Roger :worship:

18th win in a final. 22 consecutive match win. IW and Miami b2b.

Nadal :D Welcome to the top 20. New millionaire status.

Key to match: Roger cut out enough UFEs to win. He had twice as many winners the whole match.

SwiSha
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
he s not only playing like a NO 1 ...his fighting spirit is also worth to be mentioned...

NO WORDS !! HELLUVA COMEBACK !!

tennischick
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
i never lost faith. i knew Rog would win. Nadal played terrific power tennis but that is hard to keep up for 5 sets. and he did not choke.

User id 7816
04-03-2005, 09:06 PM
Rafa - :worship: this close!!
Roger - congrats, though I'd have loved to see the kid beat you.

jazz_girl
04-03-2005, 09:06 PM
What a match!!!! Congratulations to Roger for winning this VERY difficult match, and to Rafa for playing so well! :worship:

Raquel
04-03-2005, 09:06 PM
Incredible fight from Roger - his best ever comeback without a doubt :worship:

gravity
04-03-2005, 09:06 PM
I don't think anyone can deny Rafa is the real deal after that performance. He made the world number one look ordinary for large parts of that match.

PaulieM
04-03-2005, 09:06 PM
congrats to both players, great fighting from both. this is going to be a great rivalry between these two. Roger you're awesome :bowdown:

Fee
04-03-2005, 09:07 PM
The person who actually won the match is the one who 'deserved' to win (what the hell does that mean anyway?).

And somebody on this board should give up his/her seat on the Federer Express for starting that thread in the third set (funny how that thread has disappeared now).

I admit I had my doubts, but something in the 4-5 game in the third set. There was a look on Roger's face when he won to get it to 5-5, and I could just tell he had made up his mind that he was going to win the match or die trying.

He is GodFed and all the doubters should cower before him!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 09:07 PM
I haven't seen the match or followed it over here, but it looks like Nadal's battery ran empty in the last couple of sets. He must have really gave it his all in the first 3 sets and eventually he wasn't able to cope with Roger's shotmaking in the end. But still tremendous match by Nadal and I think we might have a real rivalry for the future (unlike the Federer-Safin, Federer-Hewitt and Federer-Roddick rivalries).

Scotso
04-03-2005, 09:07 PM
:yawn:

FLL
04-03-2005, 09:07 PM
Nadal did not choke!! He went for it like in the 1st and 2nd...

He is only 18 and believe me, he'll be in the top5 by the end of the year and winning those kind of matches very soon!!

Iheartandy&roger
04-03-2005, 09:08 PM
I will never doubt Rogi ever again that was a fantastic comeback * shame on Me*

Vincent
04-03-2005, 09:09 PM
Yvo was so upet when Roger was at the margin of losing in the third set tiebreak. I cheered her up and said Come on the match isn't over, and now our dreams really come true!!! :D


CONGRATS ROGER! I AM SO PROUD OF YOU! YOU TOO RAFAEL!!!! :hug:

lina_seta
04-03-2005, 09:09 PM
most amazing match.. i had lost all hope for roger to win it *ashamed* i will know better from now on... ROGER WILL FIGHT to the end!!!!
thrashes the 1st set 6-2 to nadal... being up 4-1 and ends up losing it 7-6 (4) -i was destroyed- then in the third down 4-1... suddenly he breaks back.. still a long way.. not much hope... and nerve wrackling tiebreak roger victorious 7-6(5) still alive!!!! then goes on to take the 4th 6-3 and fifth 6-1!!!

what an outcome... and thats the recount ^_^!

Ten_Isse_Fan
04-03-2005, 09:09 PM
Roger :lol: What is there left to say ? I mean, there's no words really :worship: Amazing run.

*Ljubica*
04-03-2005, 09:09 PM
Congratulations to both players for an amazing match. Roger's comeback was amazing and showed the true class of a champion. I'm sad for Rafa but he is still young and will have plenty more chances - I'm sure he will win many Masters' events and Grand Slams in the future. It was a great match.

MisterQ
04-03-2005, 09:09 PM
Nadal didn't choke, but I think it's fair to say he ran out of gas.

I suspected he had to put this away in the third set, and that proved to be true. I'm disappointed for him. :sad:

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 09:11 PM
i never lost faith. i knew Rog would win. Nadal played terrific power tennis but that is hard to keep up for 5 sets. and he did not choke.

To be fair, I think we all knew Roger was gonna win this match anyway, there was never any doubt in my mind. With Nadal's serve you just know Roger's gonna break him a couple times every set at least, so even at 4-1 down in the 3rd you'd still had to favor Roger winning.

jazz_girl
04-03-2005, 09:11 PM
Nadal did not choke!! He went for it like in the 1st and 2nd...

He is only 18 and believe me, he'll be in the top5 by the end of the year and winning those kind of matches very soon!!
I know, I don't have that feeling that Nadal choked either. Federer started playing much better in the third, and his confidence was higher from then on...

jacobhiggins
04-03-2005, 09:11 PM
Roger had more unenforced errors then winners.....WOW, do you people understand that, wow. You got to give props to Nadal too, there's a reason why Roger made a whole bunch of enenforced errors. Rafa is here to stay and he might be the one to make the rivalry with King Federer. I was impressed with Nadal, he seems to have more power then Federer, but when a match wears on finness mitagates the power and Federer's finness came through. When you get tired in a tennis match, you have to start using your ball placement (finesse), you can't rely on your power the entire match. Rafa is one of the top 5 players in the world, you can't argue that after this tournament!

euroka1
04-03-2005, 09:12 PM
Congratulations to both players for an amazing match. Roger's comeback was amazing and showed the true class of a champion. I'm sad for Rafa but he is still young and will have plenty more chances - I'm sure he will win many Masters' events and Grand Slams in the future. It was a great match.

I second all of that. The sort of tennis that I really admire!
---and to say it yet again, a true champion.

tennismaster882001
04-03-2005, 09:13 PM
I always believed in Roger, even when he was 2 ponts from defeat! But still Nadal should have won, he didn't take his chance! Great match!

Clara Bow
04-03-2005, 09:13 PM
Great match by two class acts. Roger's comments at the end of the match (as shown on CBS) where he praised Nadal remindined me, yet once again, why I love him so much.

Both played great tennis. Rafa didn't choke, just ended up that Roger beat him. Good stuff.

Now I have to go play tennis with a chum in an hour and a half after ingesting two g-and-ts during the match. Unbelievably, I think that our match will not be at the same level as what we saw today. ;)

Exodus
04-03-2005, 09:14 PM
One tournament doesn't mean anything he will have to play consistently

Fee
04-03-2005, 09:14 PM
I have to admit, in this public forum, that this was the first time I really saw Nadal play. I won't ever add him to my signature (because one his fans - not on this board- is such an unholy bitch that I refuse to have anything in common with her) but he has a huge heart and some of the biggest fight on the ATP. I respect and admire that. He will be around for a long time (now please stop wearing the girly pants).

Excellent match overall, this is what tennis is all about and why we are fans, I'm sure.

tennischick
04-03-2005, 09:14 PM
To be fair, I think we all knew Roger was gonna win this match anyway, there was never any doubt in my mind. With Nadal's serve you just know Roger's gonna break him a couple times every set at least, so even at 4-1 down in the 3rd you'd still had to favor Roger winning.
that plus the fact that i've seen Rafa run out of gas in 5-setters. it's the only thing he needs to work on. he already has an almost complete game. he even used the dropshot effectively against Roger on a hard court! terrific match. back to my life. :wavey:

jacobhiggins
04-03-2005, 09:15 PM
They showed the cermony on ESPN, dammit!

euroka1
04-03-2005, 09:15 PM
you can't Rafa is one of the top 5 players in the world, you can't argue that after this tournament!

My feelings too. The official ranking systems seem unreal these days.

KTF
04-03-2005, 09:15 PM
you know what ?????????Nadal is just a LOOSER !!!!!!
ROGER IS THE KING ....NO ONE CN BEAT HIM!!!!!!!!!!

gravity
04-03-2005, 09:17 PM
Nobody can accuse Rafa of choking the way he went toe-to-toe with Federer in that match. He definitely ran out of steam at the end, and that is hardly surprising with the amount of tennis he's played of late. But for me Rafa was oozing confidence throughout as the frontrunner..... and looked in his element dominating "Jesusfed" all over the court with his blistering groundstrokes.

Bottle had nothing to do with the outcome of this match.

onewoman74
04-03-2005, 09:18 PM
Is anybody else tired from watching this match? My throat is dry, my hands are sore from all the clapping...Damn I need a drink and I don't even drink alcohol!!!!

naiwen
04-03-2005, 09:18 PM
They showed the cermony on ESPN, dammit!

What... :mad:

doublebackhand
04-03-2005, 09:18 PM
this match is totally worth sacrificing my sleep (4am local time and at work by 8)..nadal didnt choke, roger just upped his level at 3-5 down in the 3rd set tiebreak. he went for his forehands and it paid off. after that, nadal was a broken man.
it seemed that roger took almost 3 sets to get used to the style of nadal, the heavy topspins forehand and the serves. roger later only blocked back the first serves instead of trying to 'return' it, cutting down a lot of errors.
all in all, an amazing turnaround. a lot of respect for both.
if these 2 are on different halves in RG, my bet is they will meet again in the final!

David Kenzie
04-03-2005, 09:19 PM
One tournament doesn't mean anything he will have to play consistently
Rafa almost won 3 tournaments in a row. I am pretty sure he will be very consistent.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-03-2005, 09:19 PM
Awesome effort Nadal.

Congrads Roger!

gravity
04-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Is anybody else tired from watching this match? My throat is dry, my hands are sore from all the clapping...Damn I need a drink and I don't even drink alcohol!!!!

Well I know I need a drink after all that. :devil:

Jennay
04-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Congratulations, Roger. Nice fight.

Rafa :sad: :(

Nadal didn't choke, but I think it's fair to say he ran out of gas.

I suspected he had to put this away in the third set, and that proved to be true. I'm disappointed for him. :sad:
I agree.

I knew that if Rafa did not put it away in the third, Federer would gain the momentum and belief.

loner1984
04-03-2005, 09:20 PM
OMFG!! I thought for sure that Nadal had this match wrapped up! I went to teach tennis when Nadal was up 4-1 in the third set. Then when I came back I asked the pro shop person if Nadal pulled it out and was absolutely shocked to find out that he lost! Props to Fed for coming back. :boxing:
I wish I had taped this match!

Fergie
04-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Rogi, you're the best!!! :worship:

MisterQ
04-03-2005, 09:21 PM
Is anybody else tired from watching this match? My throat is dry, my hands are sore from all the clapping...Damn I need a drink and I don't even drink alcohol!!!!

yes, I'm tired.... and cranky :mad: ;)

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 09:21 PM
Roger had more unenforced errors then winners.....WOW, do you people understand that, wow. You got to give props to Nadal too, there's a reason why Roger made a whole bunch of enenforced errors.

Exactly, I'm pretty sure we'll hear Federer fans say he wasn't playing at his best today and how he made so many unforced errors. I'm a fan myself and I don't want to use these excuses. We all know Roger steps it up bigtime in the finals, so for Nadal to take him into a 5th and actually almost beat him, he must have done something right. I think the result has everything to do with Nadal's game and level of play, he just unsettled Roger in the first three sets and made Roger make those errors. Don't forget Ljubicic also hit over 70 errors in his match against Nadal.

Nadal today has proved he has got what it takes to beat Roger, although Roger will certainly have a better gameplan going into their next match. Can't wait!!!

knight_ley
04-03-2005, 09:23 PM
I'm proud of Rafa... :yeah: That was his first time in a final on that stage, the best is yet to come :angel:

Hantuchov
04-03-2005, 09:24 PM
Roger :worship: :yeah: :D

Awesome performance, Rafael! ;) :)

Jennay
04-03-2005, 09:24 PM
Is anybody else tired from watching this match? My throat is dry, my hands are sore from all the clapping...Damn I need a drink and I don't even drink alcohol!!!!
Yep. Vamos-ing along with Rafa is tiring stuff. :p

loeliepoelie
04-03-2005, 09:24 PM
Well said Martijn!!! :)

But I'm still really bummed that Rafa lost :sad:

PaulieM
04-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Is anybody else tired from watching this match? My throat is dry, my hands are sore from all the clapping...Damn I need a drink and I don't even drink alcohol!!!!
seriously. i think i need to go back to bed after that match, after a full nights sleep i'm tired again.

Fedex
04-03-2005, 09:28 PM
Unbelievable match. :)There's really not much that I can say, except that I didn't think Federer had a chance in hell of coming back when he was down a break in the 3rd. Congrats to Roger on the amazing comeback, and to Nadal for pushing Federer to the absolute limit.

SaFed2005
04-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Congratz Federer :)

One of the best matches I've seen except for the last set :sad:
Too bad Nadal tired out... He's a really really good player :) I see someone who can really really challenge Federer now. And now Nadal is one of my favorite players... :worship: I felt pretty sad when he lost... but hey not both players can win... One of them had to lose ...

Sjengster
04-03-2005, 09:29 PM
My my, what an overrated, overhyped player Nadal is. He showed again that the pattern of play Federer really doesn't like is when someone loops the ball up high to his backhand side; he was sucked into all these long topspin rallies, dropped the ball in the middle of the court and Nadal then mopped up with his forehand countless times. Federer won with fight and mental toughness in the end, but he didn't win the tennis battle out there - at no time did he convincingly neutralise Nadal's strengths and completely outplay him.

There may be speculation that Nadal choked, but the most pleasing and surprising aspect from my point of view is the way Federer actually fought to get back into it. His five-set record is poor, his ability to get back into matches when he's down has usually been substandard, and all through the third set I was reminded of the Rome final from 2003, the last major final he lost. I fully expected him to stumble his way into the tiebreak and then go down meekly just as he did to Mantilla and Horna on clay two years ago, but he actually managed to hold two straight service points from 4-5 down in the breaker and then outsteadied Nadal on the setpoint. That is the toughest, most hard-earned Federer victory I've ever seen in the four years I've watched his matches.

darnyelb
04-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Oh my federer... that was awesome!

I love that Nadal kid and thought he was ripped off on a crucial point in the 3rd set which would've given him 3 bp chances. But he still had multiple chances later in the TB.

Very happy the Ninja pulled off the escape act and took his 18th straight final. Match sort of reminded me of Roddick-Nalbandian at the US Open 2003. Nalby really took it to the duck for 3 sets, had a match point even in the TB, then Roddick edged him out and took the last sets 3 and 1 like Federer did today.

Aside from that... the Fed man is freakin' scary these days. IW now Miami? He's already 5 tournaments rich this year.

Rest up Nadal/Federer. I want you both in the French final.

All hail Ninja!@~!!

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 09:31 PM
He (Nadal) definitely ran out of steam at the end, and that is hardly surprising with the amount of tennis he's played of late.

Yeah right! Skipping Indian Wells and playing doubles in DC in the past month, that's playing a lot of tennis. He has played 7 matches in a little over a month, unlike Federer who played back-to-back finals and has a lot more commitments outside of the court. So don't give me that "he played a lot of tennis lately" crap and just say it as it is: he just doesn't have it yet to play a big five set match against the world No.1 (which is nothing to be ashamed of in fact).

bad gambler
04-03-2005, 09:31 PM
federer is all class

great effort by nadal

Exodus
04-03-2005, 09:32 PM
Maybe Federer got used to his game which means maybe next time they play Federer's gonna destroy him.

RonE
04-03-2005, 09:32 PM
Wow- I watched eveery minute of this match and I am exhausted.

Let me start off by saying- Rafi, incredible performance from him :worship: The way he was getting back shot after shot, not giving Federer an inch- he did the maximum he could. And he did not choke away that third set tie-break Roger raised his game and really stayed with Rafa till the bitter end and it paid off.

Secondly- I never want to hear anyone on this forum ever say that Roger is not a fighter. Even with foot blisters, even with him totally baffled by Nadal's spin he somehow managed to change his game-plan and really left it all out on the court!!! The mark of a true champion- Roger deserves this victory 100% and I will not take any shit from anyone trying to discredit that win

Ok, that was my rant- and again kudos to Rafael- he proved he has what it takes to play with the bigt boys even though he did not win the match he played fearless tennis and sustained amazing composure to almost cause a mega upset.

Great match, even though the quality of it was not always brilliant, great fight and spirit by both players :yeah:

Sjengster
04-03-2005, 09:32 PM
The happiest person out there is Butch Buchholz, the camera caught him watching in the stands in the fourth set and the commentators observed that this was the best climax to the event he could have hoped for. It's a pity hardly anyone will have seen it, because it was the perfect riposte to those who say that Federer wins too easily without having to earn it. When was the last Miami final that went the distance?

jacobhiggins
04-03-2005, 09:34 PM
I think Federer made some adjustments and Nadal started to fade, a combo of the two!

erik-the-red
04-03-2005, 09:34 PM
Good match. Federer wasn't playing his A-game, but managed to outlast the youngin'.

Domino
04-03-2005, 09:35 PM
In 1985 Sjengster.

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 09:35 PM
Well said Martijn!!! :)

But I'm still really bummed that Rafa lost :sad:

Hey, haven't seen you in a while, decided to post a bit more finally? Didn't know you were such a big Nadal fan, thought you were supporting Ancic :)
Anyway too bad for Rafa, but thank god Roger's final streak hasn't come to an end today :worship:

MissMoJo
04-03-2005, 09:37 PM
Wow.....props to Rafa for playing an awesome much until the fifth, i can't wait to see him in the slams. I thought it was over for Rogi when he lost that set point in the 2nd and Rafa came back to win it in the tb. When he won the 3rd i knew he was gonna step it up then and did he ever :D..unfortunately for Rafa he just couldn't keep up his level of play. Hell of a fight from Rogi :worship: Just when i thought i couldn't admire and respect him more. Congrats to both, but especially to Rogi for proving the doubters wrong about your 'questionable fitness'. The streak continues!! :bigclap:

onewoman74
04-03-2005, 09:38 PM
Wow- I watched eveery minute of this match and I am exhausted.

Let me start off by saying- Rafi, incredible performance from him :worship: The way he was getting back shot after shot, not giving Federer an inch- he did the maximum he could. And he did not choke away that third set tie-break Roger raised his game and really stayed with Rafa till the bitter end and it paid off.

Secondly- I never want to hear anyone on this forum ever say that Roger is not a fighter. Even with foot blisters, even with him totally baffled by Nadal's spin he somehow managed to change his game-plan and really left it all out on the court!!! The mark of a true champion- Roger deserves this victory 100% and I will not take any shit from anyone trying to discredit that win

Ok, that was my rant- and again kudos to Rafael- he proved he has what it takes to play with the bigt boys even though he did not win the match he played fearless tennis and sustained amazing composure to almost cause a mega upset.

Great match, even though the quality of it was not always brilliant, great fight and spirit by both players :yeah:

I heard that!!!! Dem's fightin' words!!! Nobody step up to the plate or u're gonna get your ass kicked!!!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!!!! :boxing:

gravity
04-03-2005, 09:39 PM
Yeah right! Skipping Indian Wells and playing doubles in DC in the past month, that's playing a lot of tennis. He has played 7 matches in a little over a month, unlike Federer who played back-to-back finals and has a lot more commitments outside of the court. So don't give me that "he played a lot of tennis lately" crap and just say it as it is: he just doesn't have it yet to play a big five set match against the world No.1 (which is nothing to be ashamed of in fact).

Calm down. I'm referring to the fact he's been playing some tough doubles matches as well as singles. His own choice of course. But I know several of us wish he could learn the art of tanking when he's going well in the singles event. ;)

doublebackhand
04-03-2005, 09:41 PM
and about roger's fitness..did anyone notice that he didnt seem at all tired in the end while nadal was having trouble raising his arms? i was kinda surprised by his fitness coz he doesnt have to play that many 5-setters.

Scotso
04-03-2005, 09:41 PM
I have to admit, in this public forum, that this was the first time I really saw Nadal play. I won't ever add him to my signature (because one his fans - not on this board- is such an unholy bitch that I refuse to have anything in common with her) but he has a huge heart and some of the biggest fight on the ATP. I respect and admire that. He will be around for a long time (now please stop wearing the girly pants).

Excellent match overall, this is what tennis is all about and why we are fans, I'm sure.

That's no reason to dislike Rafa?

oneandonlyhsn
04-03-2005, 09:43 PM
Roger, the amount of respect that I have for your grows with each day, he showed so much heart when I thought it was all over. Nadal played amazing tennis and really took it to Federer, and it took Roger a while to get used to all the topspins. As for Nadal, this kid is amazing he hasso much heart and so much talent. He has nowhere but up to go from here. I think this is a true rivalry now H2H is 1-1 now.

Like Roger said, he is so happy he dug deep, but Nadal deserved to win as well as he played magnificently.

Deivid23
04-03-2005, 09:44 PM
So fucking close, damn...

Billabong
04-03-2005, 09:47 PM
Was it the first time that Rogi came back from 2 sets down to win:)?

Jogy
04-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Secondly- I never want to hear anyone on this forum ever say that Roger is not a fighter. Even with foot blisters, even with him totally baffled by Nadal's spin he somehow managed to change his game-plan and really left it all out on the court!!! The mark of a true champion- Roger deserves this victory 100% and I will not take any shit from anyone trying to discredit that win
Roger fighted in this match, but he is not a overall career fighter winning 5 set matches.

Clara Bow
04-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Was it the first time that Rogi came back from 2 sets down to win?


He did twice in the early 2000s (like 2001 and 2002).

Sjengster
04-03-2005, 09:50 PM
Was it the first time that Rogi came back from 2 sets down to win:)?

RG 01, the Sarge: 4-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-2, 9-7. Nadal is just a slight step up in quality, although I do find it funny that Federer's only other two sets to love down comeback came at RG of all places.

Adman
04-03-2005, 09:50 PM
Roger Federer the GOD!!

KoOlMaNsEaN
04-03-2005, 09:50 PM
Wow roger! I thought u were gonna lose after being down 2 sets to love but nadal collapsed and u somehow capitalized on it! congrats!

WF4EVER
04-03-2005, 09:51 PM
It was a nailbiting match for sure. The last time I was this nervous about a match was when Venus came from 2-6 0-4 to beat Justine in the final of Amelia Island.

I was pissed at Roger for most of the match because I didn't think Nadal was doing anything special to be beating him the way he was, bu Roger was just missing on that damn forehand so much. I actually began to wonder if he had abandoned his backhand for this match. Nadal played his game as he knew how and as Roger said in his post-match interview he hadn't played a leftie in a long time, but tbh I think it took him a long time to get himself in a rhythm. Even up until the end I didn't think he was olaying well. In fact his best patch in the match, when I saw the real Roger was when he led at 4-1 in the second. His footwork at times was sloppy and his anticipation was way off, not to mention that serve and OMG, at least 20 UEs in the 1st. And those DFs. Can you recall the last time Roger had so many DFs and there wasn't even any wind! My mind kept going back to 2003 when Roger lost in the SF to Roddick in TMS Montreal? Well that's easy to find; it was his only loss to Roddick.

I started off watching this match on ESPN Deportes because something was wrong with my CBS feed and I got so annoyed with those damn commentators that I had the TV muted until CBS came back on. I cannot believe that I could chose Carillo and MJF over anyone else! Sheesh. But Mary was pretty humbled, wasn't she? She's too huge a Roger fan.

Rafa made a dreadful mistake letting Roger back into the match in the third set tb. I had stopped taping after the third set because I just felt Roger could do no right. I never stopped watching though because i couldn't turn my back on him even if he ws losing. Everything just seemed to be going against him until that call at 3-4 0-30. That saved his life almost. From then on he just knew he had the chance to make it right.

Someone mentioned the rankings being faulty above, but the rankings are based on year-round results not two or three tournaments. That's why you have the championships race; to see who's performing well at a particular time. Nadal does not deserve to be top 5 until he can produce good and consistent results over a long period of time. He also needs to work on his fitness because he runs out of gas in long matches. Those jackasses (on ESPN Dep.) were already making him the fave to win RG because he was giving Federer hell on a hardourt. If he burns on a hardcourt, what'll happen to him on clay? He had no reason to fizzle here (except for his fitness) because after his run on clay and at DC he took a break from IW and he also got a w/o with Roddick pulling out. Apart from that, whom did he beat to get to the final? His toughest match before the final was against Ljubicic.

I'm sure he can become a better player because he 'is' young and has a lot of time to improve himself but IMO Roger was just not himself today. Kudos to Nadal for making him have to work his ass off today to get this important win.

I hate Rogi losing but I hate him losing even more in a final. This was a crucial win for him and in such a fashion I'm sure all those who were looking and wishing and hoping that he would be beaten will have another think coming because Rogi's a champion and champions fight til the end no matter what chicken shit fans (like me) they have. If he had lost today I know it would have ruined my day maybe even my week (and I didn't even make a wager on him). I only feel this way about Venus Williams and those days for Venus are long gone.

Oizo
04-03-2005, 09:51 PM
Wow, Roger pulled it out! Well done :worship:

Jogy
04-03-2005, 09:51 PM
I won't ever add him to my signature (because one his fans - not on this board- is such an unholy bitch that I refuse to have anything in common with her)
Well said, and additionally that I not a Federer fan that is exactly one more reason why I never will add Federer to my signature after seen how arrogant his fans are acting here.

Swider
04-03-2005, 09:51 PM
That's a TMS Final!!! Congratulations for both players. I don't know who deserves them more - Roger (obviously) for winning, or Rafael for proving he is one of the few, who can challenge RF.

Eh, I couldn't watch it live (the channel has suspended regular program due to Pope's death), but I can almost feel the excitement from the court. Well done gentlemen!

darnyelb
04-03-2005, 09:51 PM
The last time both men's and women's champions (Federer, Clijsters) pulled off the "American double" was 1994 with Pete Sampras and Steffi Graf. Very cool :)

forsure
04-03-2005, 09:53 PM
I have to say i nearly died of a heart attack today. This has to be the best match i have watched just for the rollercoaster ride. Roger could not hit a ball in the first two sets where as nadal was playing out of this world

roger jus some how just hung in there when a break down in the third and i think he got more motivated because of something someone said in the crowd and when he won the tie break he started to play better in the fourth and fifth but nadal was very tired in the fifth

roger was so happy when he won that he threw his racket into crowd.

feel sorry for nadal as he was so close but his time will sure come as he is a great player as today performance showed

well done roger you showed why you are the best player in the world by this brillaint comeback :worship: :worship: :worship:

ps-happy i hung in there to tape the match as at one stage i was about to stop recording :)

Jogy
04-03-2005, 09:53 PM
you know what ?????????Nadal is just a LOOSER !!!!!!
ROGER IS THE KING ....NO ONE CN BEAT HIM!!!!!!!!!!
thanks you, KTF! :yeah: you are are added as the newest member to the Federer jerk circle

Adman
04-03-2005, 09:54 PM
When Roger started dominating the mens game I thought this can't be good for tennis, but every match I end up wanting a Federer victory.

In my eyes Roger Federer is the Ulitimate Tennis Pro!

Every victory is just so memorable. This has to be one of his finest Performances.


Can Federer get 9 Tennis Master Series Shields.

gravity
04-03-2005, 09:55 PM
Well said, and that exactly is the reeson why I never will add Federer to my signature after seen how arrogant his fans are acting here.

You might not have seen the half of it. After two sets they were posting up threads declaring Rafa the winner of the match. The jinx worked but it also showed they lack as much class as the Roddick fans they moan about on here. :)

adelaide
04-03-2005, 09:58 PM
im proud of rafael. it was a good match, much harder on Federer than some had expected (the first 3 sets and half of set 4 ;))

what can I say about Roger. After he made the adjustments, he was all very Rogerish... almost unbeatable. ugh his shots were amazing (and it pissed me off lol). I think Rafa made some improvement in his serves.... the match was realllly well played by both of the players, I loved it. Would have been better if Rafael had won it, but things happen and I cant really complain over a 5-setter with Roger.

I personally dont think Rafael chocked though, because set 3,4,5 was more of the expected type of a match. Roger just found himself again.

Vamos Rafa I cant wait to see what you can do on clay :):):)

but Rafael...........:sad:.........you were SO close :*(

PaulieM
04-03-2005, 09:58 PM
Calm down. I'm referring to the fact he's been playing some tough doubles matches as well as singles. His own choice of course. But I know several of us wish he could learn the art of tanking when he's going well in the singles event. ;)
carla didn't work today. you had me worried;) :scared:

Angle Queen
04-03-2005, 09:58 PM
The prospect of these two...in the semis...or finals...of RG...has me looking forward to that event.

:worship: to both men.

That, my friends, is what tennis is all about. Glad I got the whole shootin' match on tape.

Fee
04-03-2005, 10:04 PM
That's no reason to dislike Rafa?

I never said I disliked him. You might want to read my post again.

As a Federer fan, I can tell you that there are some other Fed fans on this board that go way too far. They need to remember that they are just fans on the sideline watching and not the guy out there doing the work. There is no need to get snarky about his victories, its just rude to other people on this board. Roger plays spectacular tennis, just like a number of players before him, and there is no reason to rub anyone's face in it. Just enjoy it while it lasts. Show some class (like Roger).

You are all talking about Nadal on clay, but I think I am more anxious to see him on grass...

darnyelb
04-03-2005, 10:05 PM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/FLKB11704032131.jpeg

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/FLKB18104032137.jpeg

Wonder what Roger's doing in the 2nd pic?

Roger: "Is that a wound? Can I rub salt on it?"

Nadal: "Shut up, Roger."

adelaide
04-03-2005, 10:08 PM
awwwwwwwwww they are both pretty.

Jorge
04-03-2005, 10:08 PM
I am proud about Rafa performance. His lack of experience, nervous and maybe the fact that he ran out of gas were the keys to lose this match.

Of course we can't deny the intelligence and spirit of fight displayed by Roger. That's why he is the best player of the world... but Rafa had the match in his bag! More matches like this, more finals, more experience and then the nervous will diminish, the errors at key moments will be reduced and the major titles will come.

Kudos to both of them. From Now On I think Nadal vs Roger will be the great rivalry of Tennis World :yeah:

Fee
04-03-2005, 10:08 PM
He's obviously saying 'my jewels are bigger than your foot'

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 10:09 PM
Well said, and additionally that I not a Federer fan that is exactly one more reason why I never will add Federer to my signature after seen how arrogant his fans are acting here.

I'm not sure about other fans, but from me it's not arrogance. We all know Roger got lucky today and it's just a bit of fun to post stuff like "Nadal never had a chance" and "next time it'll be a double bagel", just to stick it up to the Nadal fans. You should learn to read into a bit of sarcasm every now and then.

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 10:10 PM
carla didn't work today. you had me worried;) :scared:

lol, thank god I wasn't here to cheer on Roger, otherwise the Gravity-Carla jinx might have worked once again :)

Sjengster
04-03-2005, 10:10 PM
I'm not sure about other fans, but from me it's not arrogance. We all know Roger got lucky today and it's just a bit of fun to post stuff like "Nadal never had a chance" and "next time it'll be a double bagel", just to stick it up to the Nadal fans. You should learn to read into a bit of sarcasm every now and then.

I think that's called "being a twat", rather than "sarcasm", but forgive me if my perspective differs slightly from yours.

RogerRocks
04-03-2005, 10:11 PM
:yippee: ROGER :hug:

oneandonlyhsn
04-03-2005, 10:12 PM
You might not have seen the half of it. After two sets they were posting up threads declaring Rafa the winner of the match. The jinx worked but it also showed they lack as much class as the Roddick fans they moan about on here. :)

Hope that doesnt include me, I hope I am honest and I didnt mean to jinx Rafa its just I honestly didnt think ROger could do it. Rafa was playing unbelievable and Roger just had no answer for the kid. I wish I saw teh closing ceremony just to hear what Rafa and Feds had to say, I'm surprised they were smiling in the end. Where do these guys find teh energy :confused:

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 10:13 PM
I think that's called "being a twat", rather than "sarcasm", but forgive me if my perspective differs slightly from yours.

you are forgiven :)

gravity
04-03-2005, 10:14 PM
I think that's called "being a twat", rather than "sarcasm".

Exactly right. :worship:

PaulieM
04-03-2005, 10:17 PM
i think people are making a lot of generalizations about fed fans. like with every fan base there are those that are respectful and those that aren't, it depends on the person.

deekaye
04-03-2005, 10:17 PM
Nadal woke a sleeping giant, after he lost the 3rd set.
The fifth set score 6-1 in Roger's favour would suggest that Nadal was finally put in his place. Federer was not Federer in the first 2 sets,no movement,no awesome serving and error prone from the baseline. One has to come to terms with the fact that even with the greatest there is often a reaction from a succession of hardfought matches played in will-sapping humidity. People kept waffling on that he beat Agassi in straight sets "no problem" etc. etc. but Agassi was at his best and fully extended Roger. This after 2very hardfought matches against Zabaleta and Ancic. Admittedly the Henman match did not take too much out of Roger but at the conclusion of the final he had played more games than anyone else in the draw.
Having been "through the fire" in this 5-setter,the World no.1's self-belief will go up another notch. Bad news for those who seek to unseat him from his elevated position.


Deekaye

NYCtennisfan
04-03-2005, 10:19 PM
The fifth set score 6-1 in Roger's favour would suggest that Nadal was finally put in his place. Federer was not Federer in the first 2 sets,no movement,no awesome serving and error prone from the baseline. One has to come to terms with the fact that even with the greatest there is often a reaction from a succession of hardfought matches played in will-sapping humidity. People kept waffling on that he beat Agassi in straight sets "no problem" etc. etc. but Agassi was at his best and fully extended Roger. This after 2very hardfought matches against Zabaleta and Ancic. Admittedly the Henman match did not take too much out of Roger but at the conclusion of the final he had played more games than anyone else in the draw.
Having been "through the fire" in this 5-setter,the World no.1's self-belief will go up another notch. Bad news for those who seek to unseat him from his elevated position.


Deekaye

This win for Roger IS definitely bad news for other players buecause if Roger did have a weakness, it was that he couldn't win these long matches where he wasn't playing well or when he was well behind. He will have a new type of confidence now. Scary.

Irish
04-03-2005, 10:19 PM
Such good news! :kiss: I had a movie date and had to leave when the match was at 1-1 in the third set. Held out hope Roger would win it but Nadal played very well and Roger wasn't playing his game as well in the two sets I watched before leaving.

yanchr
04-03-2005, 10:30 PM
The fifth set score 6-1 in Roger's favour would suggest that Nadal was finally put in his place.
I‘m going mad and extremely happy to see Roger win this tight one. I'm so proud of him to fight back from 2 sets down, coz I really didn't think so when he was down a break in the 3rd set. But I have to disagree with you on this one.

Nadal was playing great. All credit to him. The 5th set I don't think said it well about the level of Roger and Nadal's tennis. Obviously Nadal was running out of energy. That decides in the end. But having said so, it's Nadal's style of play that resulted in that lack of energy. It's due when the match was stretched into the 5th set. Roger has all the variety which led to his 5th set win, methinks.

Anyway, Roger :worship: Such a fighter and such a great champ

MalmöKrampan
04-03-2005, 10:37 PM
Nadal must have been thinking how huge a win would be..maybe he just couldn't handle the pressure...

He was so close, but yet so far away....

BTW: Roger didn't win that match. Nadal handled it to him :sad:

Don't worry Rafa, you will have your chanse soon ;)

deliveryman
04-03-2005, 10:39 PM
Roger's serve was awful, simply awful. Particularly his second serve today was off.

I said Rafa would have to break Roger's serve around 5 times in order to win -- and he did that, and still lost. I think that's a true testiment on how good Roger of an all around player Roger is. Even when one department isn't working for him, he has many, many others that will.

Sjengster
04-03-2005, 10:39 PM
Nadal never hands anything to anyone, the way he plays. In the game he got broken back, I don't think he made stupid basic errors - he just failed to make the ridiculous gets and retrievals off good Federer pressure that he had been doing up to that point. There's no doubt that the result highlights the need for a serving improvement from Nadal, although I did take a perverse sort of pleasure from watching Mirka grin to the rest of her box when Federer had the breakpoint at 4-4 in the third, only for Nadal to hit a second serve ace down the T to save it.

deliveryman
04-03-2005, 10:43 PM
Nadal must have been thinking how huge a win would be..maybe he just couldn't handle the pressure...

He was so close, but yet so far away....

BTW: Roger didn't win that match. Nadal handled it to him :sad:

Don't worry Rafa, you will have your chanse soon ;)

Roger didn't win that match? Nadal handed it to him?

You're joking, right?

RonE
04-03-2005, 10:45 PM
Roger fighted in this match, but he is not a overall career fighter winning 5 set matches.

Perhaps not yet but he is disproving that myth slowly but surely- let's not forget the match against Safin which while he didnt win admittedly still showed true grit to save as many match points and stay in the match for as long as he did.

Skyward
04-03-2005, 10:50 PM
I haven't seen a lot of Nadal to come to a conclusion if he " handled" Roger this match or not. But Roger played far below his best, how much Nadal has to do with it, I'm not sure. Roger never should have lost the second set. He did numerous idiotic mistakes leading 5-2. Nadal certainly has a great future. But endless c'mons and fist pumpings are very tiring. Pioline said it about Hewitt 6 years ago.

onewoman74
04-03-2005, 10:50 PM
Love this pix...after the match

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo?slug=flkb18104032137.nasdaq_100_open_flkb181&prov=ap

Asmus
04-03-2005, 10:50 PM
Roger does it again

He played terribly against a talented and fired-up youngster with a winning against him and a game perfectly suited to give Federer fits, was tired and down but managed to even his career record in five-set matches.

Congratulations Nadal as well

He played great but was inexperienced against a great champion. He has a great future and nobody will want to see him on the other side of the net at the French--even Federer! And great pants too, although he might want to get them in a different colour for red clay.

lina_seta
04-03-2005, 10:54 PM
Nadal must have been thinking how huge a win would be..maybe he just couldn't handle the pressure...

He was so close, but yet so far away....

BTW: Roger didn't win that match. Nadal handled it to him :sad:

Don't worry Rafa, you will have your chanse soon ;)

u dont know shit of what u r talking about... shut up rookie
*mad and not caring about bad report in this one*
roger played awfully for a long long time... more UEs than winners.. what does that tell u.... find me one person who says nadal played AWFULLY and roger played his best... nadal almost makes it... no one handled anyone anything!!! :mad:
and Nadal did played well, but he came just short for an upset...

adelaide
04-03-2005, 10:57 PM
u dont know shit of what u r talking about... shut up rookie
*mad and not caring about bad report in this one*
roger played awfully for a long long time... more UEs than winners.. what does that tell u.... find me one person who says nadal played AWFULLY and roger played his best... nadal almost makes it... no one handled anyone anything!!! :mad:
and Nadal did played well, but he came just short for an upset...
my dear, i think you're a bit overreacting..........:confused:

Rafael wouldn't hand out anything to anyone. He just needs to learn to keep his momentum a bit longer than he can now, I think. (but i guess that's hard when you crush a number 1 player for 2 sets and you see him making a comeback right before your eyes :angel: )

Congrats Rafa for your new flower vase
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/thewonderfulfuture/Nasdaq/52584089.jpg

And Roger for his new salad bowl :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/thewonderfulfuture/Nasdaq/52584088.jpg

lina_seta
04-03-2005, 11:01 PM
mmm i would presonally prefer more ostentatious trophies.. whats up with glass vases or dishes... i never got that...

deliveryman
04-03-2005, 11:02 PM
Roger just elevates his game when he needs to.

Breakaway
04-03-2005, 11:05 PM
Congrats Roger! It was a great win! :)

rue
04-03-2005, 11:05 PM
Even though Rafael lost the match we at least know that there is someone out there that can compete with Roger. He is definitely lucky to have won that 3rd set tiebreaker. If anything had gone wrong he would have lost the whole thing. It is a bit sad that Nadal lost it in the end, but he showed us that he truly is a talented guy and he is the kind of person that really could develop a rivalry with Federer. No one else this week came close to doing what Nadal was able to do against Federer and he should be proud of that.

rue
04-03-2005, 11:08 PM
This is such a nice picture to see. It was nice of Roger to sit with Nadal.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050403/capt.flkb18104032137.nasdaq_100_open_flkb181.jpg

msmsed
04-03-2005, 11:12 PM
im heartbroken......:sad:

Dirk
04-03-2005, 11:22 PM
Jogy, Roger didn't lose Oz 5 set due to not having enough stamina. I think it's time we start a poll on if Nadal is fit enough to win RG. He has not even played there and how can we say that he can win 7 3/5 set matches. The Rg matches will be longer than this one so....

MalmöKrampan
04-03-2005, 11:25 PM
This is such a nice picture to see. It was nice of Roger to sit with Nadal.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050403/capt.flkb18104032137.nasdaq_100_open_flkb181.jpg


:D :wavey:

Dirk
04-03-2005, 11:26 PM
Nadal never hands anything to anyone, the way he plays. In the game he got broken back, I don't think he made stupid basic errors - he just failed to make the ridiculous gets and retrievals off good Federer pressure that he had been doing up to that point. There's no doubt that the result highlights the need for a serving improvement from Nadal, although I did take a perverse sort of pleasure from watching Mirka grin to the rest of her box when Federer had the breakpoint at 4-4 in the third, only for Nadal to hit a second serve ace down the T to save it.

I took pleasure in watching Nadal's uncle go from joy to depression. :devil: :p

LeeHesh
04-03-2005, 11:39 PM
The fifth set score 6-1 in Roger's favour would suggest that Nadal was finally put in his place. Federer was not Federer in the first 2 sets,no movement,no awesome serving and error prone from the baseline. One has to come to terms with the fact that even with the greatest there is often a reaction from a succession of hardfought matches played in will-sapping humidity. People kept waffling on that he beat Agassi in straight sets "no problem" etc. etc. but Agassi was at his best and fully extended Roger. This after 2very hardfought matches against Zabaleta and Ancic. Admittedly the Henman match did not take too much out of Roger but at the conclusion of the final he had played more games than anyone else in the draw.
Having been "through the fire" in this 5-setter,the World no.1's self-belief will go up another notch. Bad news for those who seek to unseat him from his elevated position.


Deekaye


Naah...doesn't really man that he solved the Nadal problem. Nadal bombed in the fifth set agaisnt hewitt in ausralia too. He doesn't have the stamina for a five-setter right now. I Don't think federer's gonna have an easy time with Nadal anytime in the near future.

JeLuliA88
04-03-2005, 11:47 PM
Nadal did a good job taking Federer to 5 set. i didn't watch the match but from the sounds of it, federer wasn't playing so well at the start b/c nadal didn't let him, and that's credit to him. nadal seems like a tough opponent for federer and always will be.

JeNn
04-03-2005, 11:48 PM
Naah...doesn't really man that he solved the Nadal problem. Nadal bombed in the fifth set agaisnt hewitt in ausralia too. He doesn't have the stamina for a five-setter right now. I Don't think federer's gonna have an easy time with Nadal anytime in the near future.

I agree.

But Roger is just :worship: Heart of a champion :worship:

Rafa :sad: :wavey:

Sjengster
04-03-2005, 11:49 PM
I took pleasure in watching Nadal's uncle go from joy to depression. :devil: :p

I didn't actually see a shot of him after the fourth set, I prefer to take the positives from this rather than revel in the crushing of someone else's hopes. Although that said, I do sort of hope that Federer cast a look in the direction of the Spanish guy who heckled him during the third set when he eventually won.

gillian
04-04-2005, 12:03 AM
Excellent win for Roger! Coming back from 2 sets is not easy. Great effort by Nadal also.

Dirk
04-04-2005, 12:04 AM
You enjoyed Mirka's pain so don't be a phony and a liar. Roger won and your a fan so be happy. Don't be a hater Sjengster you're too good of a guy for that. :p

Sjengster
04-04-2005, 12:09 AM
You enjoyed Mirka's pain so don't be a phony and a liar. Roger won and your a fan so be happy. Don't be a hater Sjengster you're too good of a guy for that. :p

I said I took a perverse pleasure, you couldn't see Mirka's reaction and believe me, I was not happy that Federer lost that chance on a second serve ace from Nadal, of all people. It was just funny to see the contrast for a moment... I hope I'm too good of a guy to enjoy someone spiralling into depression on the sidelines. :p

Dirk
04-04-2005, 12:15 AM
Yeah now if only I could do the same for Roger's opponents. Maybe I will learn from you. ;) do you see any clay titles for Roger this year? I think maybe one or two I hope (RG the 2nd one) Carlo I would not put him as a contender. He will need more time to rest and prepare.

Sjengster
04-04-2005, 12:17 AM
One, I should think, and most likely Hamburg or perhaps Rome. I'd certainly like him to avenge that final defeat in Rome now that he's done it in Miami, but we'll see... I doubt he'll be winning RG this year. My main hope is that he makes it to the second week at last before we can even start talking about the title. And I'm expecting a couple of early-round upsets in the next four tournaments on clay.

Dirk
04-04-2005, 12:35 AM
I think he will lose early at Carlo and maybe Hamburg if he wins Rome. I just hope he enters RG full of health. I can't see the clay giving his feet blisters so that is great news.

ZaZaGook
04-04-2005, 12:51 AM
roger ...:worship:

+alonso
04-04-2005, 01:04 AM
Nadal played a great tennis !
i think he will be the next 1°

tennischick
04-04-2005, 01:35 AM
I took pleasure in watching Nadal's uncle go from joy to depression. :devil: :p
how awful. i didn't enjoy that at all. even Federer said that he felt sorry for Nadal that he didn't win. have some compassion man.

El Legenda
04-04-2005, 01:35 AM
Go Roger....Go Nadal so close.

ys
04-04-2005, 01:49 AM
Pretty boring stuff, I must admit.. It was so weird, almost sad to see Roger playing that badly, mishitting so much, shanking overheads pretty much like I miss them sometimes..:lol: At some shots he looked like a club player, not like a #1. I guess Mirka gave him a rough night, or maybe they forgot to tell him about time change.. :lol:

But once he got that third set, I left so I didn't see the remaining two, it was obvious that once an elite player gets into groove, a player of a Nadal's level would have no chance and probably fold.

Still a match was funny, and showed that even Roger can have really, *really* bad days, and other players have some chance. But, basically, the level of the match was pretty low, with so many shanks and mishits, with only few games when both players were at their best.

holagirl56
04-04-2005, 01:57 AM
Wow roger! I thought u were gonna lose after being down 2 sets to love but nadal collapsed and u somehow capitalized on it! congrats!

I don't think that Nadal collapsed. Roger just went for his shots more, and capitalized on the big points.

Anyways, kudos to both of them for a high quality match, and for pushing each other to the limit.

mangoes
04-04-2005, 02:01 AM
OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE from Roger......................this is what is expected from a no. 1 player.

LCeh
04-04-2005, 02:09 AM
I started watching from the middle of the second set till the end of the match, and from what I saw, Roger was not playing badly, but he was FORCED into errors by Nadal. The lefty forehand gave his backhand loads of trouble, and he just couldn't handle the spin and power. Nadal was controlling play by hitting some huge topspin forehands to Roger's backhand, and then attack when he got a weak reply. That's pretty much how I saw it.

But it's hard to keep that level up, with that much power, so it was clear that after he lost the third set, he would probably lose the remaining two as well. Great play from both players. :)

tennischick
04-04-2005, 03:07 AM
the Champ :worship:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40991000/jpg/_40991493_fednew203.jpg

RogiFan88
04-04-2005, 03:14 AM
great pic of rogi! great emotion!

SwiSha
04-04-2005, 03:18 AM
u dont know shit of what u r talking about... shut up rookie



easy there lina_seta....

i know you re obsessed with Rogi n all that...but you overreacting here way too much....its MK s opinion and his point of view of the match ... so u ain t got no right to go after him like that... don t be disrepectful

Domino
04-04-2005, 03:22 AM
yeah, and since when is rookie even used to describe a tennis fan?

Nice pic of Fed.

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 03:44 AM
I don't think that Nadal collapsed. Roger just went for his shots more, and capitalized on the big points.

Anyways, kudos to both of them for a high quality match, and for pushing each other to the limit.
I agree. I wanted Rafa to win as much as anybody, and I don't think he choked at all. I think he did as well as he possibly could have. He needs to work on not getting so flat towards the end of really long matches, but that will come. He proved a lot of people wrong today with his display. It's unfortunate that few people have noticed, but oh well. Some people are just too busy hating on him and wishful thinking that he's going ot start sucking the bag from here on out.

I avoided coming here all afternoon because I didn't want to lash out at the "fantwats". ;)

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 03:55 AM
I took pleasure in watching Nadal's uncle go from joy to depression. :devil: :p
Just to clarify what I mean by "fantwats" so that I don't offend the wrong people... here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Just pitiful.

rue
04-04-2005, 03:55 AM
I definitely think that these two can in the coming years form a rivalry. It is going to be really interesting to see Rafael improve his game. Imagine him when he has a bigger serve and is able to hit the ball more flat on his forehand. He definitely will be Federer's match. I think that Nadal has a great future and the next time they meet will be an interesting matchup again. Even though he lost, he should be proud that he was able to impose his game on Federer which is why he seemed to be shanking so many shots. I think in the end Nadal got tired both mentally and physically and Federer came up with the goods in the crucial stages of the match.

Blaze
04-04-2005, 03:57 AM
Just to clarify what I mean by "fantwats" so that I don't offend the wrong people... here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Just pitiful.


I think that was a come back to what Sjenster said about Mirka

jacobhiggins
04-04-2005, 03:58 AM
http://www.nasdaq-100open.com/news/2005/interviews/0403b.html

Funny stuff from Federer, says he threw one of his rackets because it looked good for tv lol, also said some good stuff about Rafa too!

Art&Soul
04-04-2005, 03:58 AM
:bounce: Wow ROGI simply the Best of the BEST :bounce:
You made me from tears to Heaven and i know you are the God :worship: :worship: :worship:

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 04:05 AM
I think that was a come back to what Sjenster said about Mirka
Oh. I may have missed Sjengster's comment about Mirka :p

It doesn't seem I'm the only one who took Dirk seriously :shrug:

tennischick
04-04-2005, 04:22 AM
You might not have seen the half of it. After two sets they were posting up threads declaring Rafa the winner of the match. The jinx worked but it also showed they lack as much class as the Roddick fans they moan about on here. :)
they :shrug: it was one single idiot who did that and the rest of us beat him up so badly that he got the thread deleted.

and since when is this about the fans? why judge Roger (or the Duck) by the idiocy of a handful of fans :shrug:

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 04:25 AM
It's always about the fans. That's the MTF way ;)

tennischick
04-04-2005, 04:29 AM
Just to clarify what I mean by "fantwats" so that I don't offend the wrong people... here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Just pitiful.
i just read thru the thread and found where Dirk was simply responding to a comment by Sjengster about enjoying watching Mirka's pain. so i guess i take back my comment to Dirk about his lack of compassion. and he did use the :devil: smiley which should have clued me in that he was just joking. so i take it back. sorry Dirk :kiss:

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 04:30 AM
i just read thru the thread and found where Dirk was simply responding to a comment by Sjengster about enjoying watching Mirka's pain. so i guess i take back my comment to Dirk about his lack of compassion. and he did use the :devil: smiley which should have clued me in that he was just joking. so i take it back. sorry Dirk :kiss:
Okay, I'm not reading back because I'll just find something else to pick on if I do, so I'll take your word for it. Sorry for the bad rep, Dirk :yeah:

Although I'm not sure I take back "fan twat" :devil:

tennischick
04-04-2005, 04:31 AM
Okay, I'm not reading back because I'll just find something else to pick on if I do, so I'll take your word for it. Sorry for the bad rep, Dirk :yeah:

Although I'm not sure I take back "fan twat" :devil:
you enjoy handing those things out don't you. i'm shocked that you never gave me one :p

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 04:33 AM
you enjoy handing those things out don't you. i'm shocked that you never gave me one :p
I'm actually selective in the sort of comments that I give them out too. You tend to not make the sort of comments that give me the urge to send one!

And I wonder why people I work with always think that I'm 18 :angel:

tennischick
04-04-2005, 04:35 AM
I'm actually selective in the sort of comments that I give them out too. You tend to not make the sort of comments that give me the urge to send one!

And I wonder why people I work with always think that I'm 18 :angel:
because of the way you behave. or bec you look young for your age. those are the only 2 options.

and i am amazed that Fed and Nadal are soooo young. :eek:

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 04:37 AM
because of the way you behave. or bec you look young for your age. those are the only 2 options.

I'm quiet and look young for my age :angel:

A couple summers ago when I was 20 I was working at a pizza place and the driver nearly lost his jaw when he found out how old I was. He thought I was 16 :lol:

and i am amazed that Fed and Nadal are soooo young. :eek:

Fed looks like he's in his late 20s. Nadal looks like he is about that old from the neck down. Facially, Nadal looks about his age.

tennischick
04-04-2005, 04:40 AM
i think they both look their ages to be honest. but tennis players generally age quickly bec of the sun exposure.

darnyelb
04-04-2005, 07:10 AM
At the beginning, FedJesus was crucified, but was risen on the 3rd set. After a glorious resurrection, he emerged victorious and ascended into heaven... or Monte Carlo. Whichever's closer.

NATAS81
04-04-2005, 07:14 AM
At the beginning, FedJesus was crucified, but was risen on the 3rd set. After a glorious resurrection, he emerged victorious and ascended into heaven... or Monte Carlo. Whichever's closer.
Sorta ironic that JESUS FedEX man rose @ 3:00 when Christ passed away on the cross!!!

Then FEDERER rose his PASSING CROSS COURT winners!!!

The truth is told!! :eek:

Dirk
04-04-2005, 08:45 AM
Becca Roger always looked older in the face even in his 00 and 01 years. Just has an manly look to him. Some people are born that way.

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 09:18 AM
Becca Roger always looked older in the face even in his 00 and 01 years. Just has an manly look to him. Some people are born that way.
Yes, true. Hopefully for Roger that doesn't mean that he'll age poorly ;)

Swider
04-04-2005, 09:39 AM
I don't know how to name what happened to Nadal in 3rd set tb (finally got to watch it) - if he choked, ran out of gas or whatever else. But he obviously was afraid of taking risk in rallies then. Sadly, he must be choking till now.

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 09:41 AM
I don't know how to name what happened to Nadal in 3rd set tb (finally got to watch it) - if he choked, ran out of gas or whatever else. But he obviously was afraid of taking risk in rallies then. Sadly, he must be choking till now.
You have Chadaj in your signature! You rock! VISIT MY ADAM THREAD!

Swider
04-04-2005, 09:50 AM
You have Chadaj in your signature! You rock! VISIT MY ADAM THREAD!

Actually, I'm quite disappointed. I'm already in there! For months.

Chloe le Bopper
04-04-2005, 09:53 AM
Actually, I'm quite disappointed. I'm already in there! For months.
lol. Sorry. It's 10 to 5am here and I've been working on a paper and killing time trying not to do it all night. Forgive me for forgetting :o

Deivid23
04-04-2005, 11:17 AM
The fifth set score 6-1 in Roger's favour would suggest that Nadal was finally put in his place. Federer was not Federer in the first 2 sets,no movement,no awesome serving and error prone from the baseline.

Deekaye

Another one who needs to wear some glasses or learn sth about tennis. How can u say Federer was not himself on first two sets? Look, in 1st set he comitted a lot of errors, but that was sth predicted by a lot of people here, he had troubles with Nadal´s style, full stop. Nothing to do with "Roger played like crap", and a lot more with "Roger hadn´t a clue of how to handle that opponent".

In 2nd set Roger played awesome and simply he found a better opponent at the other side of the net (just take a look at 2nd set tie-breaker, really class-act performance by the kid). The same applies for half the 3rd set. Since then, it was a total domination by Federer and things like these make him such a briliant tennis player.

Dirk
04-04-2005, 11:22 AM
Deekaye should give nadal most of the credit for making Roger look bad.

RonE
04-04-2005, 12:00 PM
Nadal played superbly and almost made Roger pay. I don't understand why people are so shocked about Federer losing sets- happens to the best of them, and I for one wasn't surprised at all that Nadal pushed him as I knew he had the game to trouble Rogi.

Another former great who did the double (IW and Miami) in the same year- Pete Sampras in 1994. I don't know how many of you know this but in the IW finals he was pushed to five sets by another extremely talented lefty- Petr Korda. Korda was in fact two sets to one up in that final and seemed to have Sampras on the ropes but Sampras came back to win. A perfect example as he had a game which really got under Sampras' skin much the same way as Nadal's gets under Roger's skin. And 1994 was Pete's best year so it had nothing to do with him being on a slump or his game deteriorating- even the best of the best at their peaks have tough matches and yes even lose matches due to their opponents outplaying them.

Sjengster
04-04-2005, 02:08 PM
i just read thru the thread and found where Dirk was simply responding to a comment by Sjengster about enjoying watching Mirka's pain. so i guess i take back my comment to Dirk about his lack of compassion. and he did use the :devil: smiley which should have clued me in that he was just joking. so i take it back. sorry Dirk :kiss:

To clarifty: I found it funny that right after Mirka was laughing to the rest of her box, Nadal erased the breakpoint with a second serve ace, of all things. You didn't even see her reaction, so I'm not that much of an emotional ghoul... I would have been much happier as a viewer if she had had something to smile about right from the beginning of the match, I assure you.

syd
04-04-2005, 02:14 PM
Nadal played superbly and almost made Roger pay. I don't understand why people are so shocked about Federer losing sets- happens to the best of them, and I for one wasn't surprised at all that Nadal pushed him as I knew he had the game to trouble Rogi. agree

tennischick
04-04-2005, 02:17 PM
To clarifty: I found it funny that right after Mirka was laughing to the rest of her box, Nadal erased the breakpoint with a second serve ace, of all things. You didn't even see her reaction, so I'm not that much of an emotional ghoul... I would have been much happier as a viewer if she had had something to smile about right from the beginning of the match, I assure you.
of course we're all assuming that that is why she was smiling when it might have been something else entirely. but her job is to know that the camera is always on her and respond appropriately.

and yes, for almost 3 sets she had no reason to smile. neither did i. but that is what makes the greats great -- they still find a way to win even when all seems lost.

and the fact remains that Dirk was only responding bec of your comment so i still take back my criticism of his post. :wavey:

tennischick
04-04-2005, 06:08 PM
Men's Match of the Day
Miami - Final
Roger Federer (1) def. Rafael Nadal (29) 2-6 6-7(4-7) 7-6(7-5) 6-3 6-1

Around the beginning of the second set of the final, there was an irresistible urge to compare Roger Federer to Martina Hingis. Both were/are the greatest shotmakers of their eras. Both are Swiss. Hingis, in 1997, won the Australian Open, Wimbledon, and the U. S. Open, plus nine other titles, ended the year at #1, and had only five losses.

Federer, in 2004, won the Australian Open, Wimbledon, and the U. S. Open, plus eight other titles, ended the year at #1, and had only six losses.

In 1998, Hingis started having trouble with her feet and started losing a lot more matches.

And guess what's been happening to Federer: Foot problems. He had them at the Australian Open, and he had them here -- though it's hard to blame all those errors on mere blisters; he was hitting wild balls even when he was in position and set up. The first set was brutal; Federer was broken twice. And he was broken again to start the second. But Nadal hurt his hand a little, and Federer got the break back, and added another to go up 4-1. Only to have Nadal get treatment, and he in turn broke back. Federer would later have two set points on Nadal's serve, and blow both. And he lost the very first point of the tiebreak on a minibreak. And a second minibreak later on; Nadal gave one back, but then served out the set.

The third set started out like more of the same: Nadal broke in Federer's second service game. Federer had a chance to break back in game five, but missed a shot that he would have made on any other day, and a couple of points later, Nadal had a 4-1 lead. Federer held for 4-2. And then, suddenly, Federer broke back for 4-3. Nerves, or just chance?

Based on what came next, it was chance; the nerves seemed to be Federer's. A double-fault made it 0-30 on Federer's serve, and while the Swiss won the next point, it was with the help of a disputed call where replays appeared to show Federer's ball long. It seemed to inspire Federer; he held for 4-4. And then Nadal started to look nervous; he faced a break point in the next game -- only to save it with a second serve ace. He went on to hold for 5-4 as Federer blew an easy overhead. And so Federer -- who actually bounced his racquet after that game -- had to serve to say in the match. Which he did. Nadal too held, and Federer once again had to serve to survive. Which, again, he did.

But Federer's Hingis-ness was starting to fade at this point: He showed why he's still around and she isn't. Nadal opened the tiebreak with a service winner. Federer contributed a double fault to make it 2-0 for the Spaniard. A good volley gave Federer 2-1. And he got the minibreak back on a big groundstroke. A Federer return error made it 3-2 Nadal. A Nadal error made it 3-3. But an easy Federer error gave Nadal another minibreak; 4-3. A Federer groundstroke long, and it was 5-3. That, in hindsight, was the tipping point of the match -- the high point of Nadal's career to date. After a long rally, Nadal put an attempted passing shot into the net; 5-4 and back on serve. An impossible-looking inside-out forehand by Federer made it 5-5. A serve and easy volley and Federer actually had a set point. After a long, long rally, Nadal made an error, and Federer had the set.

Federer started the fourth with a love hold, but Nadal answered with his own hold. As did Federer. And then Federer broke. As the clock hit the three hour mark, he held for 4-1. A hold for Nadal, 4-2. Another easy Federer hold, 5-2 -- and Nadal finally looking like a frustrated teenager. But he held easily, and Federer served to even the match. He held without trouble.

Final set: Nadal held, 1-0. Federer answered, 1-1. And just to add to the nerves, Nadal was given a time warning before the next game. Federer looked upset in the last game; he produced a bunch of errors -- but still came away with the first break of the set. A Federer hold, 3-1 even though the Swiss was pretty clearly limping by this time. (If he had even been contemplating Monte Carlo, this probably killed any chances. He's going to let those feet heal.) Another break, 4-1 Federer. Hold, 5-1. Nadal serving to stay in it. 0-15. A nice net attack by Federer, 0-30. The chair overruled and called a Nadal ball out; 0-40. A weak Federer return, 15-40. And Federer yanked Nadal around until he made an error, and after more than three and a half hours, Federer was the champion.

Roger Federer, blisters and all, from two sets down, had won his eighteenth straight final. And consecutive match #22. And title #5 of the year. And his second required event of 2005.

Which means that he becomes the second person (following Kim Clijsters on Saturday), and the first man, to win the Indian Wells/Miami combination since Indian Wells expanded to a 96-draw.

And, of course, he's #1 in the Race, and #1 in the rankings. And while he might theoretically lose the top spot at Roland Garros, it appears certain in practice that he'll remain #1 at least until Wimbledon.

To top it all off, he's earned enough points that he appears certain to qualify for the year-end championships. He hasn't actually clinched yet, mathematically, but the odds of him being blocked are so low that we can probably ignore them.

Nadal, assuming he can still move his legs, has to be kicking himself. He was two points from winning the biggest title of his life, and instead he melted down against an opponent who had spent two sets struggling to move, and who was limping to the end. Still, he's at a career-high #17, and #4 in the Race -- and, after picking up mostly optional points before this, he now can add some required points. And on hardcourts, too. He's clearly starting to fulfill the potential everyone always knew he had.

www.tennisnews.com

Dirk
04-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Tennischick :kiss: You are forgiven my dear, not that I could ever get mad at you. :hearts: I am here to learn from you. :hug:

Daniel
04-08-2005, 12:27 AM
Well done Roger :yeah:

Gonzo Hates Me!
04-20-2005, 07:44 AM
Wow, I know I am so late to address this final that's long out of the headlines. But I am just posting here again, just thought I would acknowledge how interesting and exciting this match was, although it would have been even more fantastic had Nadal won. But I am sure he learned many things from that loss--especially not to lose hope after a 2-set lead!!!! I was already on the Nadal bandwagon before that match, but now I definitely have my seatbelt on tight. He's amazing. He just needs to change his pants

Chloe le Bopper
04-20-2005, 07:50 AM
I like his pants. They are better than super baggy knee length shorts.

prima donna
11-24-2005, 04:51 PM
This thread should be used as a reminder, simply to inform people that just because you lose a Final and in the process happen to surrender a 2 set to 0 lead, does not mean that life is over as we know it and it may even make you a stronger player. How did Nadal do after this ? It's funny how quickly people forget things and in my personal opinion, Miami is a far more important event than the YEC (hence the name "5th Grand Slam"), regardless it's interesting to see there's a double-standard being set.

Roger is injured and loses up 2 sets, Nalbandian played a great match, yes, but is receiving far too much credit for beating a wounded opponent. Either way, oh well.

peteslamz
11-24-2005, 04:55 PM
wow! who would have thought then that Nadal would just suddenly end up being number 2 at the year end rankings?? :worship:

adee-gee
11-24-2005, 05:05 PM
This thread should be used as a reminder, simply to inform people that just because you lose a Final and in the process happen to surrender a 2 set to 0 lead, does not mean that life is over as we know it and it may even make you a stronger player. How did Nadal do after this ? It's funny how quickly people forget things and in my personal opinion, Miami is a far more important event than the YEC (hence the name "5th Grand Slam"), regardless it's interesting to see there's a double-standard being set.

Roger is injured and loses up 2 sets, Nalbandian played a great match, yes, but is receiving far too much credit for beating a wounded opponent. Either way, oh well.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DrJules
11-24-2005, 05:11 PM
This thread should be used as a reminder, simply to inform people that just because you lose a Final and in the process happen to surrender a 2 set to 0 lead, does not mean that life is over as we know it and it may even make you a stronger player. How did Nadal do after this ? It's funny how quickly people forget things and in my personal opinion, Miami is a far more important event than the YEC (hence the name "5th Grand Slam"), regardless it's interesting to see there's a double-standard being set.

Roger is injured and loses up 2 sets, Nalbandian played a great match, yes, but is receiving far too much credit for beating a wounded opponent. Either way, oh well.

No the YEC is bigger than the Miami title; a fact reflected in the YEC carrying more ranking points. The YEC is considered to be the 5th biggest title in the year.

Q? Does anyone know if Rafael received any treatment in this match, because his performance did seem to significantly decline towards the end.
I am beginning to wonder if 5 set tennis is more about physical fitness than tennis skill.

adee-gee
11-24-2005, 06:08 PM
Q? Does anyone know if Rafael received any treatment in this match, because his performance did seem to significantly decline towards the end.
I am beginning to wonder if 5 set tennis is more about physical fitness than tennis skill.
He didn't but he looked shattered in the 4th and 5th sets.

prima donna
11-24-2005, 06:14 PM
Q? Does anyone know if Rafael received any treatment in this match, because his performance did seem to significantly decline towards the end.
Yes, he received treatment for a bruised ego and a broken heart after losing a grueling 5-setter, well, it wasn't quite so grueling after Roger unleashed the uNF on Nadal, but that isn't the point. He played a heck of a match and didn't allow this to discourage him, it was a learning experience.

I am beginning to wonder if 5 set tennis is more about physical fitness than tennis skill.
That's always what it's been about.

"The 5th set has nothing to do with tennis, it is all about heart" - Boris Becker

Galaxystorm
11-24-2005, 06:17 PM
He didn't but he looked shattered in the 4th and 5th sets.

Well , before arriving to Miami he was ill several days and his preparation wasn't quite good for this tourmament ( that's why before the tournament started he couldn't think in reaching the final )

Marek.
12-20-2007, 12:41 AM
What a champ this Federer is. :worship: :cool:









Yes, I am this bored during the off season.

FedFan_2007
12-20-2007, 12:47 AM
What's with all this bumping of ancient matches in off season?

Marek.
12-20-2007, 12:52 AM
What's with all this bumping of ancient matches in off season?

It's just the cool thing to do. :smoke: