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Is Roger being...

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 06:31 PM
...outhit from the back of the court? I'm just following the live scores and i can only assume given both their games, this is what's happening?

ae wowww
04-03-2005, 06:34 PM
VAMOS RAFAEL!

ae wowww
04-03-2005, 06:36 PM
Haha almost all of Rogers stats are better than Rafael's!!

tennischick
04-03-2005, 06:45 PM
i'm watching it live and Nadal is playing the better tennis. Roger hit a couple of off shots that may end up costing him the second set. nadal is bludgeoning him -- and it's working.

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 06:51 PM
^
Looks like the 17 unbeaten run in finals might be coming to an end...The weakness with Roger's game is that he just doesn't have a Sampras or Safin like serve which keeps him in the game if he's being outplayed...

sigmagirl91
04-03-2005, 06:52 PM
I must say, I am surprised at the current results.

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 06:55 PM
I must say, I am surprised at the current results.

Yeah me too...makes u wonder why other great baseliners like Agassi, - with the power off the ground - doesn't play the same way that Nadal is against Fed.

Black Adam
04-03-2005, 06:56 PM
I don't think Roger will come back from 2 sets down.............This Rivalry is getting very interesting!

tennischick
04-03-2005, 06:57 PM
I must say, I am surprised at the current results.
i'm not. Roger admitted yesterday that Nadal has a winning record against him in both singles and doubles. that is no accident.

and Nadal has won 5-setters before at the AO so even going to 5 is no guarantee of a Federer.

having said that, i still think Federer will win. :)

tennischick
04-03-2005, 06:58 PM
Yeah me too...makes u wonder why other great baseliners like Agassi, - with the power off the ground - doesn't play the same way that Nadal is against Fed.
Agassi doesn't have Nadal's raw power. not even close. maybe he used to at one point but he no longer does.

Billabong
04-03-2005, 07:00 PM
Rogi has a very negative attitude out there I think... Nadal is pumped and he's making very few UFES... Rogi never should have lose the 2nd set!!

tennischick
04-03-2005, 07:02 PM
Rogi has a very negative attitude out there I think...
i agree...

MisterQ
04-03-2005, 07:02 PM
Yeah me too...makes u wonder why other great baseliners like Agassi, - with the power off the ground - doesn't play the same way that Nadal is against Fed.

Agassi isn't comfortable playing with the intense spin that Nadal has. Andre uses just enough spin to make his shots safe, but they are relatively flat. His court positioning, backswing and grips aren't conducive to playing the same type of shot.

Clearly, Nadal is doing things right. Roger is having trouble creating spectacular shots off of Nadal's strokes.

sigmagirl91
04-03-2005, 07:03 PM
i'm not. Roger admitted yesterday that Nadal has a winning record against him in both singles and doubles. that is no accident.

and Nadal has won 5-setters before at the AO so even going to 5 is no guarantee of a Federer.

having said that, i still think Federer will win. :)

It doesn't look as if Nadal will capitulate. He's just too good.

makro120
04-03-2005, 07:06 PM
This is just sick, whats up with Federer?

IS he hitting many ues? IS he angry? Is he having problem breaking Nadal's defense?

makro120
04-03-2005, 07:07 PM
How is Federer's serve? Is he having trubble with is 1st serve?

oneandonlyhsn
04-03-2005, 07:08 PM
Its simple, Nadal wants it more.

Auscon
04-03-2005, 07:11 PM
How is Federer's serve? Is he having trubble with is 1st serve?

he's getting about 61% into play, not sure how many he's winning

its his 2nd serve that is getting killed....37% to Nadals 71%

tennischick
04-03-2005, 07:16 PM
Its simple, Nadal wants it more.
well said. that's it actually.

MisterQ
04-03-2005, 07:16 PM
Nadal is the one looking brilliant today.

Foxy Smile
04-03-2005, 07:17 PM
Roger has 42 unforced errors.....

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 07:19 PM
Agassi doesn't have Nadal's raw power. not even close. maybe he used to at one point but he no longer does.

yeah, ok but a lot of other players have Nadal's power - Moya, Roddick, Safin etc,...I think their main problem is just mental, losing before the match has even begun. Roger doesn't blow people off the court, the way Sampras use to with his serve and volley game - you actually do get a lot of chances against Fed, but these days a lot of top players just doesn't believe they can beat him. Nadal has no fear, that's the difference!

tennischick
04-03-2005, 07:22 PM
yeah, ok but a lot of other players have Nadal's power - Moya, Roddick, Safin etc,...I think their main problem is just mental, losing before the match has even begun. Nadal has no fear, that's the difference!
i think it's combination of raw power and fearlessness.

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 07:26 PM
i think it's combination of raw power and fearlessness.

Like Safin has as well...maybe a lot of players will learn from Nadal in this match

Shy
04-03-2005, 07:31 PM
Like Safin has as well...maybe a lot of players will learn from Nadal in this match
I don't think so. Roger will probably go on to win 20 other match after a defealt.

In_Disguise
04-03-2005, 07:34 PM
I don't think so. Roger will probably go on to win 20 other match after a defealt.

Yeah, but the clay court season is up next and there are plenty others who play like Nadals on that stuff...

NYCtennisfan
04-03-2005, 09:12 PM
Roger was never really outhit. He made a ton of errors in the 1st, played 4 ecellent games where he owned Rafa in the second, played EXTREMELY tentatively at the end of the second set where he was returning 85 mph second serves only to the service lines, played reasonably well after being down 4-1 in the 3rd, served better in the 4th and 5th sets as well as attacking the net over and over again.

Two reasons Rafa was in this:

1. His ability to return balls to a neutral position on Fed's side that most players can't even return or return in a truly disadvantaged position.

2. Federer's poor play. Shanked overheads, easy volley misses, easy forehand misses, poor returns, etc. When Federer played even just above-average, he controlled almost all the points, even on Rafa's serve.