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Is it over for Moya...

henree
03-28-2005, 07:54 AM
I guess I am the only one shocked by the pathetic performances from Moya this year. The choke against Roddick last week, plus the 1st rd loss at the Aussie Open has me thinking that maybe Moya is reaching the end of his career. He seems to not have any fun on court. It is a chore to watch him play. And his piss poor decision making and tactics during matches have him looking more and more like Gonzalez. Anyone think he can challenge the top players anymore? :sad:

Ferrero Forever
03-28-2005, 07:59 AM
hey, he did manage to beat ferrero last week. And at the australian open GGL was playing bludy good. Just wait until clay-court season begins, Moya will be back.

Kristen
03-28-2005, 08:05 AM
lol if it's over for Moya then what hope do I have *See signature*
Seriously... don't take his most recent loss too badly. It was "a fluke" that Thomas Johansson won the Aus Open. Really, he's not that good.

**Obviously I don't believe a word of what I just said. I'm just regurgitating some of the BS that people here say**

BlackSilver
03-28-2005, 08:06 AM
Perhaps. It's too early to make guesses.This can be a simple bad period for him. Let's wait until the end of the clay season to have enough data to form a concise point of view

ClaycourtaZzZz.
03-28-2005, 08:12 AM
I guess I am the only one shocked by the pathetic performances from Moya this year. The choke against Roddick last week, plus the 1st rd loss at the Aussie Open has me thinking that maybe Moya is reaching the end of his career. He seems to not have any fun on court. It is a chore to watch him play. And his piss poor decision making and tactics during matches have him looking more and more like Gonzalez. Anyone think he can challenge the top players anymore? :sad:

more like MASSU!!! look back at USO 2004,..... a shame!

Breaker
03-28-2005, 08:15 AM
Wait for the clay season mate

bad gambler
03-28-2005, 08:20 AM
pretty much done

clay season coming but too many young un's have will have it over him...gaudio, coria, nadal, federer

~EMiLiTA~
03-28-2005, 08:44 AM
I think he most definitely has lost a lot of his motivation after the Davis Cup win...and plus he is getting older...I don't know if it's completely over for him, but let's just say I'm not expecting huge things from him...no, not even during the clay season

perrygreen
03-28-2005, 09:19 AM
Moya won a clay MS last year, so he should have a chance on clay. It's just the problem of his shape right now. Don't be so pessimistic:).

adeegee
03-28-2005, 09:24 AM
I think he most definitely has lost a lot of his motivation after the Davis Cup win...and plus he is getting older...I don't know if it's completely over for him, but let's just say I'm not expecting huge things from him...no, not even during the clay season

Completely agree. Doesn't seem to be showing any passion during his matches, he just seems to be playing for the sake of it. Still a top class player at times but just doesn't seem to have the motivation.

Alvarillo
03-28-2005, 09:27 AM
why people say a player is reachinf the end only because of some bad matches, Moyá every year has lost some matches ina row but then he recovers and play excellent tennis!
and please remember Johansson is a former Aus Open champ and he defeated Agassi at the end of last year, and Roddick... Rodddick is a Top-3 player!
so plese, wait to the clay court season and we will see!

Deivid23
03-28-2005, 09:42 AM
I said it on when he refused to play for DC team a couple of months ago. I expect Carlos to do a huge French Open. He needs to get nearly obssesed about anything to do his best. And I´m sure his biggest ambition is winning at Paris again. Wait and see.

Go Charly

Neely
03-28-2005, 12:43 PM
Damn, what a horrible loss losing to a pathetic player like Johansson on hardcourt :sad: In three sets! Unbelievable! :rolleyes:

Seriously now, IMO Moya is still good enough for top 10 this season. It's nothing new that he loses some matches, but I've said it enough times that he did the same last season too and why he was still ranked top 5 despite all that.

It's allegedly always "over" for Moya, after every loss... this procedure is nothing new at all...

~EMiLiTA~
03-28-2005, 12:52 PM
i'm not just saying that cos of one piddly loss to johansson...i have been thinking this for a while...he's already played on clay this year in south america and he didn't do THAT well there either...

liptea
03-28-2005, 12:53 PM
pretty much done

clay season coming but too many young un's have will have it over him...gaudio, coria, nadal, federer

I'm not speaking to you anymore, traitor. :smash:

Please, please, leave Carlos alone.

His career is not over, I don't think. He's still ranked in the top 10, helped win Davis Cup for his country six months ago, and has won a title this year-hardly signs of a player whose career is over. In fact, he actually gained a ranking spot this week.

:fiery:

sigmagirl91
03-28-2005, 12:54 PM
It's not over for Carlos.

BaselineSmash
03-28-2005, 01:00 PM
Moya has always had a calm (subdued, even) demeanour on court, but a lot of the time it does indeed look like he isn't having any fun, and is merely stoically ploughing through the early rounds. The best is yet to come from him this season.

User ID 4783
03-28-2005, 01:02 PM
I don't understand at all why it should be over for him... Marat also lost yesterday, is it over for him too now?

Margy
03-28-2005, 02:04 PM
I don't understand at all why it should be over for him... Marat also lost yesterday, is it over for him too now?
Exactly! Marat lost to an unseeded player. Carlos lost a match also. No difference.

And though I can only go on seeing the scores, it didn't look like a disaster for him. One set was a 8-6 tiebreak loss. One set was a comfortable win. Then who knows what happened to him in the final set - Heat, concentration, poor judgment, bad luck? Whatever.

It did appear that he was having serve problems - a lot of double faults in the stats throughout the match. Something I hope he spends time on before his next match. He certainly can't afford to continue giving away points like that.

So..no..I'm not writing him off anytime soon. GO CARLOS!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

Sjengster
03-28-2005, 02:15 PM
Moya didn't light up the tour at this stage last year, either (one QF in Miami this time instead of IW, and once again a three-set loss to Roddick), and then he went on an absolute tear during the claycourt season. I expect him to do the same again, although he will drop out of the Top 5 if Henman wins today against Chela. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Careless was the only player to finish in the Top 10 last year without a single semifinal at GS level to his name. It's silly to suggest his style is as brainless as Gonzo's, Moya knows when to pull the trigger and when to construct his points patiently, but his overall game is still far too one-dimensional for me ever to enjoy it.

TheBoiledEgg
03-28-2005, 02:34 PM
cant remember the last time he served 9 Df's in a match :bolt: :eek:

Carlos will come good on the red stuff again this yr.

tangerine_dream
03-28-2005, 03:35 PM
I guess I am the only one shocked by the pathetic performances from Moya this year. The choke against Roddick last week, plus the 1st rd loss at the Aussie Open has me thinking that maybe Moya is reaching the end of his career. He seems to not have any fun on court. It is a chore to watch him play. And his piss poor decision making and tactics during matches have him looking more and more like Gonzalez. Anyone think he can challenge the top players anymore? :sad:

Carlos has won a title this year. And he always chokes against Roddick but he did beat him in Davis Cup. He's a million lightyears away from being as brainless Gonzo. He's hardly pathetic.

holagirl56
03-28-2005, 04:02 PM
Guys, just wait for the clay season.

You've gotta have faith in your players. Even if Moya's week, or month isn't that good.

alfonsojose
03-28-2005, 05:17 PM
Damn, what a horrible loss losing to a pathetic player like Johansson on hardcourt :sad: In three sets! Unbelievable! :rolleyes:

ToJo isn't pathetic :(

Space Cowgirl
03-28-2005, 05:25 PM
ToJo isn't pathetic :(
I think Neely was being sarcastic, Alfonso :)

alfonsojose
03-28-2005, 05:27 PM
:eek: :smash: :o i see

Asmus
03-28-2005, 05:45 PM
The thing with Carlos is that he's a lova, not a fighta. He simply doesn't have the killer instinct to go any further than where he is now which is why he has not gone past the quarters of a major in SEVEN YEARS. In fact he's only GONE as far as the quarters once or twice. I wouldn't count him out just yet as he's still in the top ten and capable of winning some lesser events and coming up with the occasional good win but if you're expecting him to be consistent and have good results at slams and against top players, you're in for a disappointment. But hey, I'm still a fan of Amelie Mauresmo so I feel your pain.

Ayanda
03-28-2005, 06:12 PM
I do not believe that it's totally over for Moya. I do however believe that he will not be able to keep up with other younger players, he has a great game but the spirit is not all there and the flesh is weak. He performance seems quite perfunctory and he looks a bit tired. Maybe I'm just over-reading the situation. We have to admit that he is getting older but I wouldn't rule him out just yet! Maybe he won't get to the later stages of Grand Slams but he is still a big threat in the smaller tournaments and he is in the Top 10. We also have to take into account the fact that he has been playing on hardcourts which isn't his best surface, and I think he will be more motivated for the clay season and hopefully do well. Anyway, it's still so early to tell what will happen, perhaps we should watch and wait until at least after Wimbledon and then we can formulate opinions based on concrete observation. Until then, I wish him all the luck in the world!

Happy posting :)

smucav
03-28-2005, 06:43 PM
and please remember Johansson is a former Aus Open champ and he defeated Roddick... Rodddick is a Top-3 player!That was Joachim not Thomas.

Black Adam
03-28-2005, 06:50 PM
why people say a player is reaching the end only because of some bad matches, Moyá every year has lost some matches in a row but then he recovers and play excellent tennis!
and please remember Johansson is a former Aus Open champ and he defeated Agassi at the end of last year, and Roddick... Rodddick is a Top-3 player!
so plese, wait to the clay court season and we will see!
Really! ToJo has never beaten Roddick in 2 attempts so either your sources are big time liars or you are inventing things you would like to be the truth ;)
Moya will show in the clay season but on hardcourt I do not expect anything great :sad:

iliketennis
03-29-2005, 10:20 AM
If Carlos doesn't put in any work off court, then how can he expect to win matches :p
I'm sure he will settle into the season soon enough. RG will be a good tournament for him :)

~EMiLiTA~
03-29-2005, 11:56 AM
I think perhaps a better way to say it, rather than saying "over", cos I don't think it's totally over for him...I'd just say generally "past his best"...