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WTF is up with Malisse?

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 09:30 PM
The livescore board went from him leading 6-5 5-5 to him losing the match on a "default". Note that when Roddick retired due to injury it said "retired", not "default", so it clearly wasn't an injury. Unless the site screwed up.

Now the resutls page is calling it a "walkover".

So what on earth did he have to do to get defaulted?!

Lee
03-25-2005, 09:33 PM
Got so mad and threw your racket to your seat, unfortunately, you had a terrible aim, missed and almost hit the umpire, sailed to the stand and hit a fan.

That's what happened to Guga in 1998 RG ;)

Lauryn
03-25-2005, 09:44 PM
On Belgian tv it says he got 2 penalty points for protesting, typical

adeegee
03-25-2005, 09:46 PM
He must've got the point penalty, then the game penalty, then forfeited the match? Which is absolutely ridiculous if he was up a set. I'm intrigued. I thought Xavier had improved mentally slightly

Lee
03-25-2005, 09:46 PM
Thanks Lauryn.

That's Malisse :shrug:

Verve
03-25-2005, 09:49 PM
WTF?!

I can't believe this! He was in such a good position to win this match in two, then he just throws it all away!? When is he finally going to mature...

Does anyone know why he got the point and game penalty anyway?

Lauryn
03-25-2005, 09:49 PM
Okay really weird; apparantly he didn't agree with a line judge, was arguing with that person, then played on. He made footfaults (deliberately :confused: ) , got one penalty point, so he was furious and offended the line judge, it's not clear what he said, but he got a second penalty point and was defaulted...

Tricky_Forehand
03-25-2005, 09:52 PM
Sounds like over reaction by the umpire :mad:

I agree that X still needs to mature but he's thrown worse temper tantrums and not been defaulted. This is messed up!!!!

Ten_Isse_Fan
03-25-2005, 10:57 PM
I'm glad and really mad at the same time. I thought he was injured :mad: He is, but only mentally! Get it together Xavier!!! DAMN IT! :fiery: For once in your career, you're playing good, with no injuries! Take advantage of it!!! GOD!!! You shouldn't freak out like that for stupidities!

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 10:58 PM
ohmygosh and he was winning :o:o:o:o:o:o

dylan24
03-25-2005, 11:02 PM
well this is the first time i've lost a bet this way.
fucking umpire. let the players curse
whats the big deal
fucking malisse

Peoples
03-25-2005, 11:20 PM
He cursed at a line judge or the umpire, that's not acceptable. It's too immature, he should take it as a lesson.

Tricky_Forehand
03-25-2005, 11:24 PM
You know how many other professionals have done that and got away with it. I can name two off the top of my head...

Tricky_Forehand
03-25-2005, 11:26 PM
ohmygosh and he was winning :o:o:o:o:o:o

That's the worse part :sad:

I guess that X just can't handle things when they are going his way without complications :shrug:

roisin
03-25-2005, 11:30 PM
jeez temper tantrum or what....

Sjengster
03-26-2005, 12:12 AM
And here my friends, laid out before you, is the mental mystery of the X-Man. But I'm hardly one to preach - Malisse is, after all, merely following in the tradition of defaults in the early rounds of Miami established by Schalken last year when he got thrown out of his opening match (but then he was being soundly thrashed 6-1, 3-0, not leading at the time).

Scotso
03-26-2005, 12:17 AM
Just because other people have gotten away with it, doesn't mean it's okay. He got what he deserved.

Sjengster
03-26-2005, 12:20 AM
It's certainly a nice break for Ferrer - he must be thanking his lucky stars that he caught the X-Man on a mental vacation, because the last meeting of theirs on hardcourt that I recall was two years ago in the opening round of IW. Ferrer won one game, lost in 43 minutes and made about 60 unforced errors.

smucav
03-26-2005, 12:26 AM
Normally the code violation schedule is warning, point penalty, game penalty, default, but in the case of a "major offense" the umpire can default a player at any time.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/tennis/03/25/roddick.quits.ap/index.htmlXavier Malisse, seeded 32nd, was defaulted for cursing a linesman while leading David Ferrer 6-3, 5-5.Strange day all around: Roddick, the defending champion retires with an injury; Malisse is defaulted for bad behavior; Robredo wins his match but then withdraws (advancing Novak to the 4th round); Blake cramps & collapses to the ground on match point . . . What will happen next?

Sjengster
03-26-2005, 12:41 AM
Too many injuries! Blimey, that means mellow Jiro has received a late birthday gift from Robredo - and it's not the first time either, Robredo pulled out before their scheduled second-round clash in Basel last year. Maybe he checked their head-to-head both times beforehand and decided it wasn't worth bothering...

darnyelb
03-26-2005, 01:01 AM
What happened with Blake & Moya?!?!

smucav
03-26-2005, 01:16 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/tennis/03/25/roddick.quits.ap/index.htmlCarlos Moya erased three match points and advanced to the third round, winning the final rally when James Blake took a painful tumble chasing a shot. Moya won 4-6, 7-5, 7-6 (6).

On the last point of a 21/2-hour match played in 85-degree sunshine, Blake cramped in his left thigh and went rolling in the corner of the court. As he lay face down on the hot concrete, Moya walked up to check on him and Blake extended his hand in congratulations.

A trainer iced Blake's thigh for several minutes before he rose and limped off the court.

"He told me he was cramping," the fifth-seeded Moya said. "That's OK. It's better than twisting his ankle."

adeegee
03-26-2005, 01:29 AM
And here my friends, laid out before you, is the mental mystery of the X-Man. But I'm hardly one to preach - Malisse is, after all, merely following in the tradition of defaults in the early rounds of Miami established by Schalken last year when he got thrown out of his opening match (but then he was being soundly thrashed 6-1, 3-0, not leading at the time).

Oh dear god I remember that match, I had Canas as the last part of a 5 man accumulater. I was in absolute dreamland when he was 6-1 3-0 up and then Sjeng went totally out of character and went mad. Canas got voided off my slip and my huge winnings were more than halved. :mad:

rommel99
03-26-2005, 01:30 AM
whoever the umpire he should go to hell! i know i know he kept his bargain you know when ferrer agreed to sleep with him but thats is just wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fee
03-26-2005, 03:28 AM
An audible, 'personally directed' obsenity is grounds for default. Every player knows it. You can argue with the chair umpire until you are blue in the face, but if you argue with or direct obsenities to the linespeople, you will pay. The ATP is very clear on this. Hate to say it, but X-man probably deserved this one, based on the reports that I've seen so far...

Ace Tracker
03-26-2005, 04:28 AM
Malisse got called for a foot-fault while serving to the add side being up 40-30 during a tight second set.... the same lines judge had called him twice before for foot-faults and Xavier grunted something back to the umpire that he decided to ignore granting the X-man with a second serve... the point was being hotly contested by both players when a deep ball stroke by Ferrer appeared to be clearly long, but it was deemed good by the same lines judge that Xavier was having a problem with... Malisse proceeded to lose the point and got completely enraged with that lineswoman, screaming that he wanted her to be replaced... the crowd got behind him and started screaming that the ball was out, which only made him even madder... the ATP representative was sat right behind the controversial linesjudge and she requested his intervention because Xavier could not stop arguing with the umpire... the ATP rep was very blunt to Malisse and apparently told him that he believed the linesjudge was doing a good job. Xavier just could not control himself by now and was having none of it, and kept on argueing with the ATP rep,with the crowd egging him on... In a rather surprising way then, the umpire decided to forfeit Malisse from the match, who, in a state of shock, even laid down in the middle of the court, while the public was going ballistic... Xavier then stood up, started screaming and cursing, especially at the ATP rep and the linesjudge, broke his racquet on the fence, threw a chair on the other side of the court and slammed a ball towards the general direction of the linesjudge, while still screaming insanely... David Ferrer could only watch while the X-man was destroying himself... I expect Malisse to be heavily fined, but I do think that the umpire and the ATP rep kind of overreacted a bit...

mickymouse
03-26-2005, 04:33 AM
Thanks for the report! Gosh, the matches that I've seen him, he's always been very mild mannered, didn't expect him to lose it like that.

Ace Tracker
03-26-2005, 04:41 AM
I noticed that the linesjudges were being especially picky with foot-faults, and several were called on today... Dinara Safina also had a problem with that, and got called for a ball abuse and the loss of a point after she just couldn't stop complaining... afterwards, she just couldn't get focused hard enough and lost three straight games to drop the third set to Marissa Irvin...

jole
03-26-2005, 04:43 AM
Seems with the way this tournament is so bizarre, Safin is lucky he didn't melt-down for some reason and hand the match (not that he almost didn't anyways!) to Labadze.

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 06:01 AM
Malisse got called for a foot-fault while serving to the add side being up 40-30 during a tight second set.... the same lines judge had called him twice before for foot-faults and Xavier grunted something back to the umpire that he decided to ignore granting the X-man with a second serve... the point was being hotly contested by both players when a deep ball stroke by Ferrer appeared to be clearly long, but it was deemed good by the same lines judge that Xavier was having a problem with... Malisse proceeded to lose the point and got completely enraged with that lineswoman, screaming that he wanted her to be replaced... the crowd got behind him and started screaming that the ball was out, which only made him even madder... the ATP representative was sat right behind the controversial linesjudge and she requested his intervention because Xavier could not stop arguing with the umpire... the ATP rep was very blunt to Malisse and apparently told him that he believed the linesjudge was doing a good job. Xavier just could not control himself by now and was having none of it, and kept on argueing with the ATP rep,with the crowd egging him on... In a rather surprising way then, the umpire decided to forfeit Malisse from the match, who, in a state of shock, even laid down in the middle of the court, while the public was going ballistic... Xavier then stood up, started screaming and cursing, especially at the ATP rep and the linesjudge, broke his racquet on the fence, threw a chair on the other side of the court and slammed a ball towards the general direction of the linesjudge, while still screaming insanely... David Ferrer could only watch while the X-man was destroying himself... I expect Malisse to be heavily fined, but I do think that the umpire and the ATP rep kind of overreacted a bit...

Thanks a lot for this report :)

Doesn't really seem to be a reason to forfeit Xavier, judging from this. His behaviour after he was forfeited is absolutely intolerable and makes Sanguinetti look like an :angel: angel :angel: but it is understandable. However, Xavier is a mental case and has always been and will always be one of the players most likely to be disqualified.

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 06:03 AM
Either way, Ace Tracker, you were part of a memorable day of tennis ;)

I still remember Davide's tantrums at the Groningen Challenger ("This is like back to the Futures here" "Why are you looking at me when you should be looking at the line?" "What are you doing in that chair? Masturbating or something?" That was about what he said; I don't remember the words exactly, but that sure was the context). I found them quite amusing and to think he wasn't forfeited and didn't even get a penalty point.

Roger-No.1
03-26-2005, 07:19 AM
Defaulted....

never liked the term...

Each umpire has a different opinion...

and that's not right.

rommel99
03-26-2005, 07:51 AM
the thing is xavier is such a headcase but most of the time hes very relaxed while playing.. more like he doesnt care whats happening.. obviously the crowd think he was right.. i would react the same way if they just forfeit me like that.. stupid stupid umpire..

joske
03-26-2005, 08:22 AM
oh Xavier...... not good.. not good at all

Swider
03-26-2005, 08:32 AM
the thing is xavier is such a headcase but most of the time hes very relaxed while playing.. more like he doesnt care whats happening.. obviously the crowd think he was right.. i would react the same way if they just forfeit me like that.. stupid stupid umpire..

The crowd is always with a player, which doesn't mean they're right. And it's not the umpire who gives a default.

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 08:58 AM
This definitely was a strange day :scratch:

Thanks for the report, Acetracker.

I agree with someone here who said that X's tantrum after was a bit much but it doesn't sound like he did anything to warrant a default prior.

Swider? If it's not the chair umpire who gives the default then who does? :scratch:

Yes, it is the umpire who gives out the default. Like I said, I've seen worse. I think it is because of the level and scale of this tourney that they are being so anal. Doesn't make it right but they need to be as consistent as possible with what warrants a default.

wimanna
03-26-2005, 09:30 AM
from Belgian paper:
Xavier said: "That ball was fucking so all out!" (he was right)
Lineswoman to ref: "He said I'm a fucking WHORE"

Wow, I'm feel sorry for Xavier, yes his temper on court is always a nightmare, but this woman should burn in hell :fiery:

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 10:24 AM
This definitely was a strange day :scratch:

Thanks for the report, Acetracker.

I agree with someone here who said that X's tantrum after was a bit much but it doesn't sound like he did anything to warrant a default prior.

Swider? If it's not the chair umpire who gives the default then who does? :scratch:

Yes, it is the umpire who gives out the default. Like I said, I've seen worse. I think it is because of the level and scale of this tourney that they are being so anal. Doesn't make it right but they need to be as consistent as possible with what warrants a default.

Someone has a name :sad:

Hagar
03-26-2005, 10:38 AM
Malisse should see a shrink. He still acts like a 5 year old and I'm afraid it's just getting worse.
As a regular top 100 player, he must earn good money but he could have done so much better in his career. What an underachiever.
Someone needs to kick his ass and say that he has to get his act together.

Him getting treated like a slave by Capriati was karma getting back at him because they are exactly the same: two extremely talented selfish spoilt brats, who could have won a lot more in their career if they would have worked on their character.

zoeziepoezie
03-26-2005, 10:42 AM
Xavier :banghead:

Hagar
03-26-2005, 10:43 AM
Got so mad and threw your racket to your seat, unfortunately, you had a terrible aim, missed and almost hit the umpire, sailed to the stand and hit a fan.

That's what happened to Guga in 1998 RG ;)

OMG! Is this true? Did Guga do this? And did he get defaulted?

Verve
03-26-2005, 10:58 AM
Well, I definitely agree that his behaviour AFTER his exclusion was totally intolerable, but I don't think he should have been defaulted so fast, because

1) He was after all right about the call
2) He didn't call the lineswoman a "whore" or any of that kind. I guess that was the argument they based themselves on to default him, but it actually didn't even happen...

Though he MUST control himself! In a tennismatch you just GET some calls for you and some against you, that's a FACT! You shouldn't be raging for minutes against officials, after all they're human. I guess the guy will never grow up :)... Still he didn't deserve this IMO.

wimanna
03-26-2005, 11:29 AM
Well, I definitely agree that his behaviour AFTER his exclusion was totally intolerable, but I don't think he should have been defaulted so fast, because

1) He was after all right about the call
2) He didn't call the lineswoman a "whore" or any of that kind. I guess that was the argument they based themselves on to default him, but it actually didn't even happen...

Though he MUST control himself! In a tennismatch you just GET some calls for you and some against you, that's a FACT! You shouldn't be raging for minutes against officials, after all they're human. I guess the guy will never grow up :)... Still he didn't deserve this IMO.

After the exclusion he went nuts, but as much as I hate to see him FLIP every match, I have to say, I really DO UNDERSTAND his behaviour. Normally I should say 'Xavier don't be such a morron' but after seeing it on the news, I feel really sorry for him. He was crying like a child afterwards when walking to the lockers...

bcoene
03-26-2005, 12:03 PM
Too bad. Malisse could have played a good tournemant. His draw wasn't bad.

It seems like the default wasn't really deserved. I don't like how Malisse reacted afterwards :o, but I think it means he really thought he didn't deserve it.

Better luck next time Xavier.

Lauryn
03-26-2005, 12:37 PM
After seeing the images on tv I agree he shouldn't have been defaulted, but then he totally lost it, and I agree he needs to get psychological help...

You can see the images online here:

http://www.vtm.be/asx/vtmnieuws/vtmnieuws13uur_Za.asx

You will get an ad first, then the news starts, scroll to the 24th minute

Anouk10
03-26-2005, 12:55 PM
Oh. My. Fucking. God.

that's .. terrible. NOT good. definitely NOT good. Xavier needs help. immediately.

*speechless*

Saumon
03-26-2005, 01:00 PM
:eek: :help: :retard: :cuckoo: :scared: :bolt:

imagician
03-26-2005, 01:08 PM
Well, maybe I need help too then. Because I didnt think that reaction was soooooooo bad. Everybody who has never been extremely mad and shouting can throw the first stone...

I know I've been that mad before... and I'm a very relaxed guy. Only when one is wrongfully accused he'll go ballistic like that. And Malisse is also known as very relaxed off the court. Ferrer even wanted to keep on playing... But as in many sports, judges and referees like to be in the spotlight... and fuck the game up.

So stop judging... untill you find yourself in the same situation.

And the only reason he was defaulted was because that blind lineswoman said he called her a fucking whore. But he said "that was a fucking whole ball out."

Jim Jones
03-26-2005, 02:08 PM
First I want to say that I'm no Malisse fan. But if he did not do anything, I would have reacted the same way as him. Let's not forget that tennis is his job. Was there any audio on what Malisse is accused of saying? Perhaps the girl misunderstood what he said. On the other hand he may very well have said what he is accused of. In that case he deserved to be sanctioned.

rommel99
03-26-2005, 02:23 PM
if he didnt say that which i really believed he didnt.. then the umpire and the lineswomam should be fined and should apologize to him..

Ten_Isse_Fan
03-26-2005, 02:38 PM
That's a crazy reaction, but as someone said, you don't freak out like that if you know deep inside that you didn't do what they're accusing you of. That lady misunderstood him and should have shut her f*cking mouth! I would've been scared to be on that court :scared: Gosh. But I do think I would have had the same reaction. I wouldn't have been a pretty sight. I mean, the poor guy is trying his hardest to succeed, he's been playing better this year and now this. It really sucks :sad: Hope he gets over it really soon. He needs to. Come on Xavier :) Keep going :)

BelgianGirl
03-26-2005, 04:00 PM
I agree he went totally mad (and it wasn't exactly professional), but that reaction proves to me that he really felt mistreated. If he did say those things to that woman, he wouldn't have reacted this way I think...
So if he really didn't say this, I think it wasn't fair to exclude him.

I hope this doesn't affect him too much in his next tournaments!

Noodles
03-26-2005, 05:09 PM
Well, maybe I need help too then. Because I didnt think that reaction was soooooooo bad. Everybody who has never been extremely mad and shouting can throw the first stone...

I know I've been that mad before... and I'm a very relaxed guy. Only when one is wrongfully accused he'll go ballistic like that. And Malisse is also known as very relaxed off the court. Ferrer even wanted to keep on playing... But as in many sports, judges and referees like to be in the spotlight... and fuck the game up.

So stop judging... untill you find yourself in the same situation.

And the only reason he was defaulted was because that blind lineswoman said he called her a fucking whore. But he said "that was a fucking whole ball out."I totally agree with this.

Noodles
03-26-2005, 05:10 PM
I hope this doesn't affect him too much in his next tournaments!
I hope he gets to play any next tournaments, the sanction could be worse than just a heavy fine.

Sara O
03-26-2005, 05:41 PM
1. only the referee can default (and not the chair umpire)
2. Are there any articles describing what happened? couldn't find any.
3. if he said what the lineperson said, he deserves the default.

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 05:43 PM
After seeing the images on tv I agree he shouldn't have been defaulted, but then he totally lost it, and I agree he needs to get psychological help...

You can see the images online here:

http://www.vtm.be/asx/vtmnieuws/vtmnieuws13uur_Za.asx

You will get an ad first, then the news starts, scroll to the 24th minute

Many many thanks for this footage.

Having seen this, I honestly believe Xavier didn't do anything wrong (other than being his usual, feisty self, obviously.. he's never easy on court) and certainly didn't do anything to warrant the fact that he was forfeited.

Very interesting footage for sure.. I feel sorry for Xavier now. He was so furious. What do you mean it's over? :o The shouting..

:worship: for still shaking the chair umpire's hand and Ferrer's hand before kicking stuff and smashing his racquet into pieces.

Also they said that Olivier Rochus is also a victim now, cause he and Xavier are excluded from doubles now.

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 05:45 PM
1. only the referee can default (and not the chair umpire)
2. Are there any articles describing what happened? couldn't find any.
3. if he said what the lineperson said, he deserves the default.

Check the footage. I really don't believe he said these things.

But he is still a headcase.

liS@
03-26-2005, 05:51 PM
If a player requests a linesperson to be changed, doesn't he usually get his way?

All I can think of is that Nalbandian match at TMC Houston 2 yrs ago where the tournament ref came out to calm him. Was he mad about a lineperson? I don't remember.

Aren't there other precedents where linespersons have been removed? I don't understand why they refused to appease Malisse. I wonder how the ref would've reacted if it was a higher ranked player.

Verve
03-26-2005, 05:56 PM
Wow... I've never seen him go THAT furious :eek: He was really overreacting after the exclusion! Good that he didn't hit one of the judges with his racket or chair :s Still he didn't deserve to be excluded...

Anyway, there's an interview with him on the Miami site. He's being very clear about what he did... Such a shame! Well, I hope he can get over this (and the fines :o ) soon to find his focus again!

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 05:59 PM
If a player requests a linesperson to be changed, doesn't he usually get his way?

All I can think of is that Nalbandian match at TMC Houston 2 yrs ago where the tournament ref came out to calm him. Was he mad about a lineperson? I don't remember.

Aren't there other precedents where linespersons have been removed? I don't understand why they refused to appease Malisse. I wonder how the ref would've reacted if it was a higher ranked player.

I think they hardly ever get their way... I mean, at the end of some matches, there would be no possible linesmen left, because players want them all replaced ;)

Swider
03-26-2005, 06:09 PM
Swider? If it's not the chair umpire who gives the default then who does? :scratch:

Yes, it is the umpire who gives out the default. Like I said, I've seen worse. I think it is because of the level and scale of this tourney that they are being so anal. Doesn't make it right but they need to be as consistent as possible with what warrants a default.

Like Sara O wrote before - the decision is made by ATP Referee. It's the chair umpire who calls him to the court when another warning approaches, he/she announces default, but he/she doesn't have right to make decision of that level.

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 06:10 PM
An interview with: XAVIER MALISSE

THE MODERATOR: Ladies and gentlemen, Xavier Malisse was defaulted yesterday in his match in the second round versus David Ferrer for serious verbal abuse of a line umpire that resulted in an immediate default.

He's here to answer your questions. Can we have English questions first, please.

Q. What was your take on it? What caused it all?

XAVIER MALISSE: Well, the cause is just, you know, there's ‑‑ in the same game, there's two foot faults, there's one bad call, and at the end I got defaulted for a misunderstanding of the line umpire. I know what I said, and I got really mad afterwards because I think it's pretty wrong to get defaulted when you didn't do anything wrong.

Q. There's a suggestion you also threw a ball.

XAVIER MALISSE: Well, that's all after the fact. I didn't get defaulted because I threw a ball; I got defaulted because the line umpire thought I said something, and she misunderstood words that sound very similar.

Of course I'm going to get mad when you play an hour and a half in the sun, you haven't done anything wrong all match, and you get defaulted before. And then, yeah, I took it a little personal because that means that all the hard work you've ever done is just thrown away by one misunderstanding by one person.

Q. Do you have any recourse? Do you have any possibilities to try to re‑explain it?

XAVIER MALISSE: Well, I'm gonna stick to my version because I know and I believe in what I did and what I said. And, you know, I'm definitely going to try to turn this around because I think ‑ not even for me, maybe other players ‑ it's just, to me, it's just totally wrong what happened.

You know, I've had this in Wimbledon four years ago and there I did say something wrong, so I immediately stood up for it and I admitted it. But I'm not going to go down for something I didn't do. And I think that's the whole point of this thing, is that I'm not going to back off, because I didn't do anything. I know I didn't. I've always admitted I have if I did something.

It's just very frustrating, you know. You can't go anywhere, you get defaulted, you get, you know, all the other stuff. It's a hard one to take.

Q. Are you saying that you didn't swear or something was misconstrued in translation?

XAVIER MALISSE: Yeah, I didn't say anything. We were in a discussion about a ball, and I looked at her and I said about the ball mark, and she misunderstood. I'm not going to go through to what that is; that's for other reasons.

But, you know, it's pretty amazing when it's this crowded and there's even a head umpire probably about two or three feet behind her and he didn't hear anything, the head umpire didn't hear anything, and she's the only one that heard anything in this loud of a crowd. It's pretty amazing that she can stick to that version and at the end I get defaulted.

Q. Do you fear serious punishment if you don't do something?

XAVIER MALISSE: Well, I'm definitely afraid of it. I'm afraid of it because ‑‑ I wouldn't be afraid of it if I know I did it, then that's my own fault and I should, you know, bear the consequences and do what's told to do. But when you didn't do it, it's like putting somebody on Death Row for not doing anything. It's the exact same thing.

So for me it's a little ‑‑ it's very tough if something happens because I just, you know, I know in my heart that I didn't do anything. So that's just the toughest way to take it.

Q. It's a very emotional sport at any time, one against one. Have you ever felt in that kind of mood before? You've had so many big, tough matches. Have you ever felt as aggrieved as you did yesterday?

XAVIER MALISSE: No. Again, because I didn't do anything. I've been in ‑‑ I know that I've, in the past, I've been in outrage on the court and I've said wrong things. But every time I have, I came up for it and I paid penalties and I did my stuff.

But now I was just so mad and so disappointed in this whole thing because I did not say anything. At the end, I get defaulted. And, you know, it's just ‑‑ it's almost a waste of hard work. All the hard work you put into it just gets thrown away by one person who claims she heard something, so...

Q. When you say you "didn't say anything," is it that you didn't say any words, or you didn't swear?

XAVIER MALISSE: No, I didn't swear. Well, I'm not going to go which words, but just two words in a sentence, a normal word actually for me. A swear word, I did not say it. She says ‑‑ she claims she heard it very clearly, which is a little bit weird because it's very loud out there and nobody else heard it.

So it's just ‑‑ it's a bit tough, you know. I know I didn't say anything, and I didn't swear at all.

Q. Do you think your reputation might precede you?

XAVIER MALISSE: Well, probably. In the past I've done wrong things, and probably that's why. I mean, I'm not going to, you know, say anything, but definitely because of my behavior in the past I'm getting a little disadvantage. I would definitely say yesterday I didn't do anything the whole match, I didn't say anything, I didn't throw my racquet. My opponent throws a racquet 15 times; nothing happens.

It's frustrating, you know. I know I caused it a little bit myself because of the past, but it's not been fair at all times I think.

Q. What has the referee or supervisor said to you?

XAVIER MALISSE: Well, they stick with the umpires and they stick to their side, you know, which is a little bit disappointing, too. But that's their version, and we'll see where it goes from there.

Q. Who was in the chair?

XAVIER MALISSE: Mourier, Cedric.

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OMG Cédric should know better :o

Swider
03-26-2005, 06:13 PM
Aren't there other precedents where linespersons have been removed? I don't understand why they refused to appease Malisse. I wonder how the ref would've reacted if it was a higher ranked player.

Sometimes they change the linespeople - the whole group, never the single person. Maybe they would have done it later, if Xavier had reacted in more pleasant way.

ae wowww
03-26-2005, 07:09 PM
OMFG He went fucking mental-he is just like me :D!!

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 07:46 PM
After seeing the images on tv I agree he shouldn't have been defaulted, but then he totally lost it, and I agree he needs to get psychological help...

You can see the images online here:

http://www.vtm.be/asx/vtmnieuws/vtmnieuws13uur_Za.asx

You will get an ad first, then the news starts, scroll to the 24th minute

The link must be for high speed only :sad:

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 07:51 PM
If a player requests a linesperson to be changed, doesn't he usually get his way?

All I can think of is that Nalbandian match at TMC Houston 2 yrs ago where the tournament ref came out to calm him. Was he mad about a lineperson? I don't remember.

David was upset about McIngvale influencing calls. That's a whole other issue. :tape: because it pisses me off to remember it.

Aren't there other precedents where linespersons have been removed? I don't understand why they refused to appease Malisse. I wonder how the ref would've reacted if it was a higher ranked player.

Honestly, I think that Xavier would have more of an opportunity to defend himself if he was of the stature of certain other players. Xavier has a heavy accent so there should have been questions asked. I'm wondering who the linesperson was.

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 07:52 PM
I hope this doesn't affect him too much in his next tournaments!

I think it will...if he doesn't get unfairly suspended first. Hope he fights it. :mad:

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 07:53 PM
1. only the referee can default (and not the chair umpire)
.

OK, so I was wrong :o

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 07:55 PM
Well, maybe I need help too then. Because I didnt think that reaction was soooooooo bad. Everybody who has never been extremely mad and shouting can throw the first stone...

I know I've been that mad before... and I'm a very relaxed guy. Only when one is wrongfully accused he'll go ballistic like that. And Malisse is also known as very relaxed off the court. Ferrer even wanted to keep on playing... But as in many sports, judges and referees like to be in the spotlight... and fuck the game up.

So stop judging... untill you find yourself in the same situation.

And the only reason he was defaulted was because that blind lineswoman said he called her a fucking whore. But he said "that was a fucking whole ball out."

Agreed!!! :yeah:

ae wowww
03-26-2005, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the interview CooCoo :yeah:

Hagar
03-26-2005, 08:00 PM
Why can't players not just accept that sometimes the umpire and the linesmen make errors. It does happen and it happens for BOTH players. Going bananas won't change anything, it's a waste of energy and like in this case, Malisse even lost the match because of this, and there is a good chance he would have won.
Players need to grow up and realize that the world does not turn around them.

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 08:08 PM
From what I understand, he didn't go "bananas" till after he was defaulted. Sounds like the lineswoman tattled on him for what she thought he said and they didn't give Xavier a chance to defend himself.

dylan24
03-26-2005, 08:19 PM
i'd like to smash that fat linesbitch up w/ a tennis racquet

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 08:22 PM
Lost money, did we :rolleyes:

ae wowww
03-26-2005, 08:22 PM
i'd like to smash that fat linesbitch up w/ a tennis racquet

Lmao, chill man :)

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 08:24 PM
Also they said that Olivier Rochus is also a victim now, cause he and Xavier are excluded from doubles now.

I was wondering about that :sad: :sad:

dylan24
03-26-2005, 08:25 PM
Lost money, did we :rolleyes:
yes 3200 dollar swing for me
fuck that bitch linesperson

Tricky_Forehand
03-26-2005, 08:29 PM
No one's fault but your own. I think the fact that this could affect Xavier's career is a lot more important.

dylan24
03-26-2005, 08:32 PM
i hope they don't let that bitch work again this tournament

Swider
03-26-2005, 08:45 PM
i hope they don't let that bitch work again this tournament

I hope you'll shut up.

Happy Easter everybody.

Tennis Fool
03-26-2005, 08:48 PM
you didn't do it, it's like putting somebody on Death Row for not doing anything. It's the exact same thing.
:lol:

joske
03-26-2005, 09:17 PM
gosh Xavier looked pretty mad when they showed the incident on the news here... they only showed his reaction tho, so what caused it, a disputed line call or sth?

well I can see why he's so angry tho.. this is one of the biggest tourneys around and he was winning and then they exclude him, that's pretty hard to take - he shouldn't have reacted in such an aggressive way tho...

poor thang :sad:

Noodles
03-26-2005, 09:18 PM
Why can't players not just accept that sometimes the umpire and the linesmen make errors. It does happen and it happens for BOTH players. Going bananas won't change anything, it's a waste of energy and like in this case, Malisse even lost the match because of this, and there is a good chance he would have won.
Players need to grow up and realize that the world does not turn around them.
You just can't read can you? Or more probably just read what you wanna read...

liS@
03-26-2005, 09:58 PM
Accordingly, it does look like players can ask for removal:

(From SI.com 03/14/05)
During the Cyril Saulnier and Jurgen Melzer match in February at the SAP Open in San Jose, a ballkid hit Melzer's face (presumably) accidentally with a ball while the players were switching sides. Can the player ask the umpire to remove that ballkid?
-- Bo Peng, Palo Alto, Calif.

If players can have certain linespeople removed, lord knows they can also request that ballkids pack it in for the day, especially when they are pelted in the face by wayward tosses. Your question implies Melzer did not request the removal of the offending ballkid. What a nice guy.

Tennis Fool
03-26-2005, 10:15 PM
Wasn't there a thread about Timmy wanting to get rid of a ball girl for being too fat?

helena
03-27-2005, 12:16 AM
the first vid' posted here doesn't work for me :

here's one other http://users.skynet.be/xaviermalisse/video.wmv

jole
03-27-2005, 12:22 AM
the first vid' posted here doesn't work for me :

here's one other http://users.skynet.be/xaviermalisse/video.wmv

This link is crystal clear, thanks.

Socket
03-27-2005, 01:02 AM
Sometimes they change the linespeople - the whole group, never the single person. Maybe they would have done it later, if Xavier had reacted in more pleasant way.
Crews are supposed to get changed about every hour on changeovers, but I've seen the whole line crew shifted out early when a player complained. The chairs like to try to defuse situations and/or they agree with the player that a line judge is not making the right calls. And I've seen them ask linesmen to switch positions on changeovers.

I once saw a female line judge trot up the chair and complain that Goran Ivanesivic called her a bitch. You could hear the whole thing on the microphone. Goran just stood there and looked guilty as hell, and whoever his opponent was started to laugh. It was so funny. He got a code violation and the crew got swapped out on the next changeover.

Socket
03-27-2005, 01:05 AM
Wasn't there a thread about Timmy wanting to get rid of a ball girl for being too fat?
Don't know about Tim (Henman?), but Jeff Tarango definitely did that at Washington one year. Got himself into loads of hot water when the Washington Post wrote a story about it, and Donald Dell (the TD) made him apologize in person to the girl and her parents.

Tricky_Forehand
03-27-2005, 02:28 AM
the first vid' posted here doesn't work for me :

here's one other http://users.skynet.be/xaviermalisse/video.wmv

Thank you.

Seeing that makes me want to cry. I hope everything turns out fair in the end. He should not get anything more than a fine for the tantrum after but even that's a bit much. Hope I don't see that chick at any USTA Challengers or I may have to point out to her that she cost him the match.

Action Jackson
03-27-2005, 02:29 AM
If that was a top player I doubt whether they would have been defaulted.

Lee
03-27-2005, 02:30 AM
OMG! Is this true? Did Guga do this? And did he get defaulted?

Guga was playing doubles with Meligeni and they were defaulted. He was very young (in 1998) and he apologised for his behaviour afterward.

Lee
03-27-2005, 02:32 AM
If the player was Federer, Agassi or Roddick, the lineperson would be replaced instead of Malisse being defaulted.

Tricky_Forehand
03-27-2005, 02:33 AM
Exactly!!! :yeah:

NATAS81
03-27-2005, 02:42 AM
X-Factor is another of those random ATP players with mind issues. I won't front on the man for having an angel of a GF, though. :angel:

rommel99
03-27-2005, 03:10 AM
this sucks.. obviously he didnt say the WORD!! why should he be fined? they blamed something on him something that he didnt do.. they should pay him instead.. its just stupid.. stupid.. he had the right to react that way.. who wouldnt? if that happened to federer how do you think he would react? or even to kim? even though they are really nice then someone blamed something bad on them i think they would react that way also..

federer_roar
03-27-2005, 03:58 AM
J McEnroe once defaulted at AO by staring at a linesman,then again it wasn't in US.

Lee
03-27-2005, 04:29 AM
Also they said that Olivier Rochus is also a victim now, cause he and Xavier are excluded from doubles now.

So Malisse's default is to the tournament, not just his singles match?

CooCooCachoo
03-27-2005, 10:20 AM
I think it will...if he doesn't get unfairly suspended first. Hope he fights it. :mad:

Yes, I think it will affect him. Xavier is that kind of person, I think. He could lose his hunger for the ball and love for the game in a second; motivation problems could occur now :sad:

CooCooCachoo
03-27-2005, 10:20 AM
Lost money, did we :rolleyes:

:lol: :yeah:

CooCooCachoo
03-27-2005, 10:24 AM
So Malisse's default is to the tournament, not just his singles match?

Correct :)

mitalidas
03-27-2005, 11:46 AM
i remember capriati saying F__k like ten times in her second AO final, all nice and clear for the whole world watching, and the stupid umpire gave no warning, no nothing

star
03-27-2005, 12:32 PM
J McEnroe once defaulted at AO by staring at a linesman,then again it wasn't in US.

McEnroe was defaulted from that match, not from the entire tournament, AND it wasn't just for staring a a linesperson. He went through the whole warning and penalties system. He just forgot they had recently changed the system and he thought he wasn't ready for a default. He didn't have a fit when he was defaulted, but he was chagrined. I think the new system was instituted just to curb his outbursts. He was the worst bar none. They were painful for me to watch. Ditto for Boris Becker's diatribes on the court.

star
03-27-2005, 12:36 PM
i remember capriati saying F__k like ten times in her second AO final, all nice and clear for the whole world watching, and the stupid umpire gave no warning, no nothing

I think the standard is this: A player can use curse words, but he may not direct a curse to the umpire or to the crowd. For instance, just saying the f-word isn't going to get a warning, but if a player says f---- you to an official or to a person in a crowd, there is a warning or penalty. For instance, I once saw Kafelnikov get a warning for cursing someone in the crowd.

Obviously if Malisse called the lineswoman what she claims, that would make it difficult to continue. It's hard for me to believe he did that, but I don't really know the guy.

Experimentee
03-27-2005, 12:38 PM
Poor Xavier, it was too harsh to default him if he didnt say what they thought he did :sad:
I am disappointed if he did say those things, but other players have cursed linespeople before and not got defaulted, recently Hewitt at the AO comes to mind.

Ace Tracker
03-27-2005, 01:47 PM
I think the standard is this: A player can use curse words, but he may not direct a curse to the umpire or to the crowd. For instance, just saying the f-word isn't going to get a warning, but if a player says f---- you to an official or to a person in a crowd, there is a warning or penalty. For instance, I once saw Kafelnikov get a warning for cursing someone in the crowd.

Obviously if Malisse called the lineswoman what she claims, that would make it difficult to continue. It's hard for me to believe he did that, but I don't really know the guy.

Kafelnikov was a master of the stare down technique... I remember once at the Ericsson Open, a cell phone just rang up while when he was about to serve.. YKant stopped his service motion and somehow zoomed in onto the person who was answering the call way up the stands, and gave him such a hateful long stare that the person had to immediately put down the phone to everybody else's applause... :D :p ;)

Socket
03-27-2005, 02:51 PM
Poor Xavier, it was too harsh to default him if he didnt say what they thought he did :sad:
I am disappointed if he did say those things, but other players have cursed linespeople before and not got defaulted, recently Hewitt at the AO comes to mind.
No, he shouted, but he didn't violate the "audible obscenity" rule, and that's why he didn't get a code violation. As Star explained, players can say "fuck" on court on every single point, but unless they're saying it directly to a fan or an official, they won't get a code violation.

Tricky_Forehand
03-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Yes, I think it will affect him. Xavier is that kind of person, I think. He could lose his hunger for the ball and love for the game in a second; motivation problems could occur now :sad:

And it took him so long to get that motivation back that enabled him to win his first title. I'm so sad for him :sad: . And I can't even say that Xavier only has himself to blame because every bit of evidence that we have seen shows that he did nothing wrong to provoke the default.

Scotso
03-28-2005, 12:29 AM
No, he shouted, but he didn't violate the "audible obscenity" rule, and that's why he didn't get a code violation. As Star explained, players can say "fuck" on court on every single point, but unless they're saying it directly to a fan or an official, they won't get a code violation.

That's not true. If you yell "fuck" at the top of your lungs, no matter if it's not TO anyone, then you're going to get a code violation.

Frankly I'm indifferent. If he DIDN'T say anything (which no one has yet to prove one way or the other) he should have helped his case by not going apeshit. It would make him a bit more credible if he had been low key in his objections rather than throwing a temper tantrum. He could have appealled this later, and while that wouldn't get him the match back, it could save his reputation. But after behaving that way, I'm certain any appeal will be met with rejection.

Socket
03-28-2005, 12:55 AM
You haven't seen (and heard!) Jen Cap play too much, have you? :)

If players got code violations for every time one of them said "fuck" on a court, most of the matches in a tournament wouldn't go past the first set. :haha: Sure, the rules say that they should, but in practice, the chair umpires look away a lot.

Personally, I think that it's silly to fine players for audible obscenities. Tennis is a professional sport, not a Sunday school class. The sooner tennis shreds the vestiges of its country-club image, the better for the sport.

I agree that Malisse didn't help himself with his post-disqualification tantrum. He only made a fool of himself and now every official will put his conduct under a microscope. He almost certainly will be fined, but that will be because of what he did afterwards, not because of what he might have said to the lineswoman.

rommel99
03-28-2005, 01:00 AM
please post some news about what happens after..

Socket
03-28-2005, 01:07 AM
Kafelnikov was a master of the stare down technique... I remember once at the Ericsson Open, a cell phone just rang up while when he was about to serve.. YKant stopped his service motion and somehow zoomed in onto the person who was answering the call way up the stands, and gave him such a hateful long stare that the person had to immediately put down the phone to everybody else's applause... :D :p ;)
I put Kafelnikov a close second behind Lendl. He could scare the crap out of you with those cold stares of his. He just radiated disdain.

Devotee
03-28-2005, 04:25 AM
I put Kafelnikov a close second behind Lendl. He could scare the crap out of you with those cold stares of his. He just radiated disdain.

Yes, I too saw this same coldness from Kafelnikov (in Miami, by the way).
He stared down somebody in the crowd whose baby started crying.

During the same match, when the ballperson tossed him a ball to serve,
Kafelnikov looked at the ball, decided it was scruffed up, then furiously
slammed the ball with his racket back at the ballperson, staring hard.

He must have been in a bad mood during that match.
When he heard a bird chirp high above, he even stopped
and stared down the bird.

Tricky_Forehand
03-28-2005, 10:21 PM
If players got code violations for every time one of them said "fuck" on a court, most of the matches in a tournament wouldn't go past the first set. :haha: Sure, the rules say that they should, but in practice, the chair umpires look away a lot.

I can only agree. I've been t to too many matches where that's all that comes out of someone's mouth and the umpire has taken no action. Now whether this is because it's a Challenger...I can't say. I only know that there should be consistency in the rules.

If this had been a player of higher rank he would not have been defaulted. I truly believe that.

Jim Jones
03-28-2005, 11:18 PM
I have a feeling that Malisse won't be sanctioned for this. They should have replayed the match from where it stopped. I bet that would have happened if it was a top player instead of Malisse.

Scotso
03-29-2005, 12:43 AM
I have a feeling that Malisse won't be sanctioned for this. They should have replayed the match from where it stopped. I bet that would have happened if it was a top player instead of Malisse.

After what he did, there was no chance of that. In any case, the umpire's decision is final. The umpire can be fired, but the decision stands.

CooCooCachoo
03-29-2005, 07:19 AM
After what he did, there was no chance of that. In any case, the umpire's decision is final. The umpire can be fired, but the decision stands.

I think Jim Jones was talking about financial sanctions. I would indeed be surprised if he has to pay as big a fine as was first said.

horia
03-29-2005, 07:42 AM
this kind of sanctions would never happened if it was a top seeds !!!

Fumus
03-29-2005, 01:36 PM
wow...Malisse sucks...why the fuss...

smucav
03-29-2005, 03:19 PM
ATP considering suspension for behavior after the default:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5205-1544339,00.htmlMarch 28, 2005
Malisse in trouble for hurling ball at line judge
From Neil Harman, Tennis Correspondent in Key Biscayne, Florida

IT IS a test case every bit as compelling for the integrity of tennis as Paolo Di Canio felling Paul Alcock, the referee, with a shove in the chest was once for football and Mike Gatting’s finger-jabbing confrontation with Shakhoor Rana, the Pakistani umpire, was for cricket.

When Xavier Malisse, Belgium’s 2002 Wimbledon semi-finalist, threw a tennis ball at a female line judge having been defaulted for a four-letter insult at the same person in the second round of his Nasdaq-100 Open match against David Ferrer, of Spain, it gave the sport a new and profoundly gripping predicament.

Malisse erupted when, leading by a set and serving at 5-5 in the second, he was twice foot faulted. He was immediately fined about Ł10,000 for his comments and the consequent default, forfeited his tournament prize-money (a further Ł6,000) and was forced to foot the bill for the hotel that he would have received free as a seeded player.

Now the ATP, the sport’s ruling body, must decide how it should punish the far greater sin of Malisse’s rush of blood. Had the ball struck the line judge in the face, rather than on the arm, where it left a deep bruise, it could have been very serious. The ATP has the power to invoke its rule of “aggravated behaviour”, which allows it to impose a penalty of between three weeks and a year. It is understood that Alan Mills, the Wimbledon referee, who is also in charge of this event, and his team of rules officials will look at the penalties imposed by other sports to make sure that whatever punishment they agree on suits Malisse’s actions.

Last autumn, suspensions of eight and six weeks respectively were given to Federico Luzzi, of Italy, and Daniel Köllerer, of Austria, when the pair came to blows after the first round of a Challenger event in Genova, Italy. Does a bout of fisticuffs equate to throwing the ball at an official? Is not the fact that a player, whatever the provocation, took aim with a ball an unpardonable action?

Malisse is one of the sport’s gentler souls off the court but has a tendency to implode on it. He had an altercation with officials at Wimbledon four years ago but immediately apologised. The 24-year-old was once coached by David Felgate, the LTA’s director of performance, who said yesterday: “Xavier is one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet and I would defend him to the hilt, but there is a tendency for a red mist to descend. If what I hear is right, what he did is totally indefensible.”

Malisse has two days to appeal against the penalties and, while expected to show contrition for his words and actions, it cannot be enough to dissuade the sport from imposing a significant ban. For someone who has earned more than Ł1.5 million in prize-money, the odd thousand is not going to cause much grief. Only by losing a competitive edge and the ranking points that help to secure his place in the most lucrative tournaments can Malisse be hurt. “I’m going to stick to my version [of what he said to the line judge] because I know and I believe in what I did and said,” he said.

“I’m not going to go down for something I didn’t do. I didn’t get defaulted because I threw a ball, I got defaulted because the line umpire thought I said something. I got pretty mad afterwards because I think it’s pretty wrong to be defaulted for something you didn’t do. It’s like putting someone on death row for something they didn’t do.”

On the matter of what he said — and the use of the f-word is not contested — it will come down to the ATP taking his word against that of an experienced official, who is also a regular chair umpire. That Gayle Bradshaw, the ATP supervisor, was beside the court as the incident unfolded and Cédric Mourier, the French umpire, is one of the most experienced officials in the sport, will surely count against Malisse.

Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd.

TennisLurker
03-29-2005, 03:21 PM
SORRY

www.clarin.com

Scotso
03-29-2005, 03:46 PM
Malisse brought it on himself.


"Last autumn, suspensions of eight and six weeks respectively were given to Federico Luzzi, of Italy, and Daniel Köllerer, of Austria, when the pair came to blows after the first round of a Challenger event in Genova, Italy."

And people wonder why I hate this guy? :confused:

Experimentee
03-29-2005, 04:15 PM
Malisse must be spewing now that Ferrer went pretty far in the tournament and is challenging JCF now. It could have been him :(

ugotlobbed
03-30-2005, 04:06 AM
i'd like to smash that fat linesbitch up w/ a tennis racquet

hahhaha me 2

turt
03-30-2005, 06:46 AM
hahhaha me 2
Count me in too... :(

CooCooCachoo
03-30-2005, 07:20 AM
God, now they want to charge him for his behaviour after too. Ridiculous.. Yes, he needs to be fined for that, but I would say the sanctions already given would do just fine for that.

Action Jackson
03-30-2005, 07:25 AM
If this was Agassi, Roddick or Hewitt nothing like this would happen, they wouldn't have been defaulted.

Tricky_Forehand
03-30-2005, 07:33 AM
And I will agree with you on that till the end of days.

They are going to be so hard on X that they will probably break his spirit and he won't care about his career much anymore. Not if he'll be more worried about his behavior than just playing his game.

CooCooCachoo
03-30-2005, 07:34 AM
We can only hope this doesn't put him straight in semi-retirement :o

Action Jackson
03-30-2005, 07:38 AM
As much as a headcase Malisse is I just hope they can somehow put enough doubt into the incident when they present their case that he'll get off with a lighter penalty.

Tricky_Forehand
03-30-2005, 07:41 AM
We can only hope this doesn't put him straight in semi-retirement :o

That's where my thoughts have been taking me when I think of what this might do to Xavier's mind. He's not known for being a consistently strong fighter so he may give up for a while.

GWH: I hope so.

Action Jackson
03-30-2005, 07:44 AM
When will he be judged or made an example of?

Tricky_Forehand
03-30-2005, 08:01 AM
I don't think they've released a date about that and, unfortunately, I don't think they will.

rommel99
03-30-2005, 08:40 AM
so he wont be suspended? or they havent decided yet?

Tricky_Forehand
03-30-2005, 08:43 AM
Nothing's been said.

~EMiLiTA~
03-30-2005, 10:57 AM
Why can't players not just accept that sometimes the umpire and the linesmen make errors. It does happen and it happens for BOTH players. Going bananas won't change anything, it's a waste of energy and like in this case, Malisse even lost the match because of this, and there is a good chance he would have won.
Players need to grow up and realize that the world does not turn around them.

:rolleyes: oh come on...you expect him to take this lying down if he really didn't say anything? being framed like that is really bad and i feel sorry for him...i probably would even have reacted in the same way...and i think a lot of other people would have too...it's all very well to sit back here and say "tut tut isn't that bad behaviour" but i'd like to see how u would be in a situation like that if u really did not say anything wrong and had been cheated out of a match and a chance to go deep into a tournament...

~EMiLiTA~
03-30-2005, 10:58 AM
Well, maybe I need help too then. Because I didnt think that reaction was soooooooo bad. Everybody who has never been extremely mad and shouting can throw the first stone...

I know I've been that mad before... and I'm a very relaxed guy. Only when one is wrongfully accused he'll go ballistic like that. And Malisse is also known as very relaxed off the court. Ferrer even wanted to keep on playing... But as in many sports, judges and referees like to be in the spotlight... and fuck the game up.

So stop judging... untill you find yourself in the same situation.

And the only reason he was defaulted was because that blind lineswoman said he called her a fucking whore. But he said "that was a fucking whole ball out."

well said...couldn't agree more...

syd
03-30-2005, 11:16 AM
Why can't players not just accept that sometimes the umpire and the linesmen make errors. It does happen and it happens for BOTH players. Going bananas won't change anything, it's a waste of energy and like in this case, Malisse even lost the match because of this, and there is a good chance he would have won.
OK , so they must do the same for a seeded player and that, they won't never do it !!!! the umpire would never do it if it was Agassi or roddick, :devil:
I think anybody would react like him or may be worse !!!

Swider
03-30-2005, 02:17 PM
That's sad situation, but... you can't name the lineswoman blind. We still don't know, whether her calls were bad. We only know, that she and the umpire misunderstood Xavier.

Also, I don't think it's a question of rankings, who will get defaulted or not. It's a question of Referee. If one wants to, he will disqualify anyone.

Adman
03-30-2005, 02:27 PM
There was a article in The Sunday Times (An English Newspaper) about this incident in which allegedly Malisse was foot faulted and then had a bad line call from the same line judge. then he got a little angry and decided to begin arguing with the umpire, who then awarded a penalty point. so Malisse through a ball at the line judge hitting her on the arm so the umpire had no choice but to suspend him.

Swider
03-30-2005, 02:36 PM
There was a article in The Sunday Times (An English Newspaper) about this incident in which allegedly Malisse was foot faulted and then had a bad line call from the same line judge. then he got a little angry and decided to begin arguing with the umpire, who then awarded a penalty point. so Malisse through a ball at the line judge hitting her on the arm so the umpire had no choice but to suspend him.

Hmm, that's interesting. Didn't heard of that before - it was about misunderstanding of what he said. But if he hit her, there was no other way.

rommel99
03-30-2005, 03:11 PM
There was a article in The Sunday Times (An English Newspaper) about this incident in which allegedly Malisse was foot faulted and then had a bad line call from the same line judge. then he got a little angry and decided to begin arguing with the umpire, who then awarded a penalty point. so Malisse through a ball at the line judge hitting her on the arm so the umpire had no choice but to suspend him.

i think this is untrue.. seeing the video.. why would xavier shout "i didnt say anything" if the reason he was defaulted was him hitting the linesjudge with a ball..

shirgan
03-30-2005, 03:13 PM
I think Malisse is an idiot

Lee
03-30-2005, 05:21 PM
There was a article in The Sunday Times (An English Newspaper) about this incident in which allegedly Malisse was foot faulted and then had a bad line call from the same line judge. then he got a little angry and decided to begin arguing with the umpire, who then awarded a penalty point. so Malisse through a ball at the line judge hitting her on the arm so the umpire had no choice but to suspend him.

If you read the article carefully, it's after he's defaulted then he threw a ball at the linejudge. And the writer never claimed he was there witnessing it happened. It was never mentioned he threw a ball at the lineswoman in previous report or in any video showing him throwing a tantrum. Base on most of the tennis articles we read on the news all over the world, I really don't want to take that reporter's word.

ATPTOUR
03-30-2005, 05:25 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5205-1544339,00.html

March 28, 2005

Malisse in trouble for hurling ball at line judge
From Neil Harman, Tennis Correspondent in Key Biscayne, Florida

IT IS a test case every bit as compelling for the integrity of tennis as Paolo Di Canio felling Paul Alcock, the referee, with a shove in the chest was once for football and Mike Gatting’s finger-jabbing confrontation with Shakhoor Rana, the Pakistani umpire, was for cricket.

When Xavier Malisse, Belgium’s 2002 Wimbledon semi-finalist, threw a tennis ball at a female line judge having been defaulted for a four-letter insult at the same person in the second round of his Nasdaq-100 Open match against David Ferrer, of Spain, it gave the sport a new and profoundly gripping predicament.

Malisse erupted when, leading by a set and serving at 5-5 in the second, he was twice foot faulted. He was immediately fined about Ł10,000 for his comments and the consequent default, forfeited his tournament prize-money (a further Ł6,000) and was forced to foot the bill for the hotel that he would have received free as a seeded player.

Now the ATP, the sport’s ruling body, must decide how it should punish the far greater sin of Malisse’s rush of blood. Had the ball struck the line judge in the face, rather than on the arm, where it left a deep bruise, it could have been very serious. The ATP has the power to invoke its rule of “aggravated behaviour”, which allows it to impose a penalty of between three weeks and a year. It is understood that Alan Mills, the Wimbledon referee, who is also in charge of this event, and his team of rules officials will look at the penalties imposed by other sports to make sure that whatever punishment they agree on suits Malisse’s actions.

Last autumn, suspensions of eight and six weeks respectively were given to Federico Luzzi, of Italy, and Daniel Köllerer, of Austria, when the pair came to blows after the first round of a Challenger event in Genova, Italy. Does a bout of fisticuffs equate to throwing the ball at an official? Is not the fact that a player, whatever the provocation, took aim with a ball an unpardonable action?

Malisse is one of the sport’s gentler souls off the court but has a tendency to implode on it. He had an altercation with officials at Wimbledon four years ago but immediately apologised. The 24-year-old was once coached by David Felgate, the LTA’s director of performance, who said yesterday: “Xavier is one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet and I would defend him to the hilt, but there is a tendency for a red mist to descend. If what I hear is right, what he did is totally indefensible.”

Malisse has two days to appeal against the penalties and, while expected to show contrition for his words and actions, it cannot be enough to dissuade the sport from imposing a significant ban. For someone who has earned more than Ł1.5 million in prize-money, the odd thousand is not going to cause much grief. Only by losing a competitive edge and the ranking points that help to secure his place in the most lucrative tournaments can Malisse be hurt. “I’m going to stick to my version [of what he said to the line judge] because I know and I believe in what I did and said,” he said.

“I’m not going to go down for something I didn’t do. I didn’t get defaulted because I threw a ball, I got defaulted because the line umpire thought I said something. I got pretty mad afterwards because I think it’s pretty wrong to be defaulted for something you didn’t do. It’s like putting someone on death row for something they didn’t do.”

On the matter of what he said — and the use of the f-word is not contested — it will come down to the ATP taking his word against that of an experienced official, who is also a regular chair umpire. That Gayle Bradshaw, the ATP supervisor, was beside the court as the incident unfolded and Cédric Mourier, the French umpire, is one of the most experienced officials in the sport, will surely count against Malisse.

Adman
03-30-2005, 05:25 PM
If you read the article carefully, it's after he's defaulted then he threw a ball at the linejudge. And the writer never claimed he was there witnessing it happened. It was never mentioned he threw a ball at the lineswoman in previous report or in any video showing him throwing a tantrum. Base on most of the tennis articles we read on the news all over the world, I really don't want to take that reporter's word.

I have to agree with what you have put, there was no proof of the wirter being there.

joske
03-30-2005, 06:25 PM
the linejudge said he used bad language (I wonder.. if it was in Dutch - most people would curse in their mother tongue, no?- then that girl couldn't have possibly understood what he said) well neways that 'accusation' was the reason mentioned all over the Belgian media and by Xavier himself...

whatever the reason he did overreact.. but pushing someone out of a BIG tourney for false reasons is not a very nice thing to do either.. especially if the player is winning :rolleyes: so I DO understand why Xav was so mad...

rommel99
03-31-2005, 02:48 PM
what now?

smucav
04-05-2005, 07:28 PM
OK , so they must do the same for a seeded player and that, they won't never do it !!!! the umpire would never do it if it was Agassi or roddick, :devil:The Miami Herald, March 27, 2005 Sunday F1 EDITIONPAST INDISCRETIONS

There is precedent for similar misunderstandings. The 2005 NASDAQ-100 Open field features a pair of tennis players with punished pasts.

Andre Agassi -- six times a NASDAQ-100 winner -- was defaulted out of Indianapolis in 1996 and San Jose in 2001.

Englishman Tim Henman had a similar ''misunderstanding'' during Wimbledon 1995. He was kicked out of his native land's Grand Slam after ''batting a ball girl.''

''I didn't do it on purpose,'' Henman said Saturday after his second-round win -- a moderate gallery of British reporters laughing at the recollection of his folly.

While Henman can relate to Malisse's predicament, he agrees with the punishment and says the right action was taken. ''You don't get a default by saying nothing,'' Henman said.

joseluismb
04-05-2005, 08:47 PM
do you have more details about Andre's defaults?

smucav
04-05-2005, 09:36 PM
San Jose 1999 ($7,500 fine and $ 5,500 forfeiture of prize money):
San Jose Mercury News (California)
February 11, 1999 Thursday MORNING FINAL EDITION
SPORTS; Pg. 1D
AGASSI TOSSED FROM SYBASE DEFAULT: OBSCENITIES PROMPT HIS EJECTION.
MICHAEL MARTINEZ, Mercury News Staff Writer

What began as a routine night of tennis for Andre Agassi turned into a bizarre loss Wednesday at the Sybase Open when Agassi was abruptly defaulted from his second-round match with Cecil Mamiit for repeatedly using obscene language, a violation of the ATP players' code.

The defeat is likely to cost Agassi, who is ranked seventh in the world, a considerable amount. A player who is defaulted under such circumstances loses all prize money -- in this case, $5,500 -- receives no points in the tour computer rankings and is subject to a fine of up to $20,000.

Mamiit, who earned a spot in the draw by winning one of four qualifier openings, was credited with an 0-6, 6-6 (5-0) default victory, but for a time it appeared to be just another grand night for Agassi, the tournament's second seed and most popular drawing card. Then, suddenly, he unraveled.

In what Agassi later said was a bout of frustration caused by a failure to make his shots in the second set, he was heard cursing by linesman Al Klassen, who reported the violation -- as he is required to do -- to chair umpire Steve Ulrich. When Agassi used similar obscenities twice more, Ulrich called for ATP tour supervisor Tom Barnes, who defaulted Agassi.

Agassi insisted he was directing his anger at himself, but Barnes said he was obligated to default the player regardless.

"It was pretty straightforward as to what was said," Barnes said, repeating the obscenities for reporters. "The supervisor can only decide if it's a code violation. Calling the linesman (an obscenity) is a code violation -- or even just saying it. It doesn't have to be directed at anybody."

Under ATP guidelines, a player who audibly curses is given a warning by the chair umpire. A second violation results in the loss of a point. A third results in a player's default from the match.

But Agassi insisted the string of obscenities was directed at himself -- and he said he even covered his mouth the second time to make sure the linesman knew his words were not meant for him.

"I yelled an obscenity, and the umpire didn't feel a need to give me a warning," he said. "Then, with my hand over my mouth, I yelled something and he went back. Then I yelled it again, and that was the hook. Three and you're done.

"It was in the heat of battle. Sometimes you make a bad decision, and that was obviously a bad decision on my part. By the same token, it was a baddecision on the umpire's part, not to mention the linesman's."

Agassi said he was not upset of any lines calls, saying, "I was starting to get frustrated with my game, not pulling shots out. I was frustrated with my game. It wasn't the calls."

The news was not something tournament director Barry MacKay wanted to hear. He already has lost three of his Sybase seeds, although he was hoping for a Sunday final between Pete Sampras, the world's No. 1-ranked player, and Agassi, who has won the tournament four times and is the defending champion.

It was not the first time Agassi has been defaulted for using obscenities. In 1996, he was ejected from a tournament in Indianapolis for the same violation in a match against Daniel Nestor.

Mamiit, who is ranked No. 120, seemed as surprised as Agassi when informed the match was over. Even then, he wasn't sure, starting to walk toward Agassi to shake his hand, then stopping.

"I had no idea what I was supposed to do," he said. "I wanted to continue. I didn't want it to end that way. Obviously, if I shook his hand it was over. I felt like I was cheated from the match."

But so did Agassi, who said he knows the rules but didn't think his actions warranted the result.

"I was shocked. I never thought in a million years how that transpired that it would bring an end to the match," Agassi said. "I've personally been involved in acting much worse and have never been involved in anything like this."

"It was a judgment call that was made -- a bad call. . . . The decision was made and that's the end of the story. You certainly can't go back."

Agassi, though, surely would have liked to go back and replay the second set. He began to gain momentum in the eighth game of the second set when he broke Agassi's serve to pull even at 4-4. In the tiebreaker, Agassi made two unforced errors on the first two points, and Mamiit hit winners on the next two for a 4-0 lead.

That's when Agassi first cursed. When he did it again, Ulrich assessed him a point penalty.

While all this was happening, a crowd of 5,671 seemed unaware of exactly what was happening. But they booed loudly after learning that Agassi was gone.

"I'm very sad to see this happen," Barnes said. "I'm sad for the players, both of them, sad for Andre, sad for the tournament, sad for the spectators. They certainly didn't come to see this."Indianapolis 1996 ($6,000 fine and $ 6,040 forfeiture of prize money):
Associated Press Worldstream
August 15, 1996; Thursday 04:27 Eastern Time
Agassi Disqualified from RCA Championships

Andre Agassi just can't stay out of the spotlight.

After hitting a ball into the stands and cursing the umpire Wednesday night, Agassi was disqualified from the RCA Championships during his match against Canadian Daniel Nestor.

Agassi had just been broken in the fifth game of the second set of his second-round match when he hit a ball into the stands. He was cited for ball abuse by chair umpire Dana Laconto.

Agassi then shouted an expletive at the umpire, who in turn called for ATP Tour supervisor Mark Darby to confer with Agassi. That meeting ended with Darby instructing Laconto to default Agassi, giving the match to Nestor 1-6, 3-2 (default).

''I got a warning, then he went straight to default,'' Agassi said. ''I felt I had an argument for not getting a point penalty. ...

''It's something I've said a thousand times,'' Agassi said, ''and today they decide that crossed the line.''

The crowd reacted to the default by booing and throwing paper, towels and water bottles onto the court.

Agassi sat on his chair for a few minutes, then left the court still fuming. The crowd cheered Agassi as he departed.

''I will take responsibility for getting a warning and I will take responsibility for getting upset on the court, like I have done a thousand times,'' Agassi said. ''But I will not accept this decision. It was a wrong decision.''

Coming off tournament wins at the ATP Championships in Cincinnati last week and the Olympics the week before, Agassi was playing his first match of the tournament.

Tournament officials appealed the ATP Tour default for ''verbal abuse,'' and play on center court at the Indianapolis Tennis Center was temporarily suspended. But ATP Tour officials said the disqualification could not be appealed.

''I'm comfortable with what happened,'' Darby said. ''I stand by it. It's unfortunate that it was necessary.''

Darby said Agassi did indeed go too far Wednesday.

''That's the first time it's been said directly to the chair,'' Darby said. ''That goes over the limit. That goes over the edge, as far as the code is concerned.''I didn't see either of those, but I saw at least one match where Agassi probably should have been defaulted, but wasn't. He was playing Patrick Rafter in the 2001 Wimbledon SF. Near a crucial point in the match, a lineswoman stopped play to report Agassi for an obscentity. The umpire gave him a code violation & then Agassi aimed his next serve directly at a different linesman who he thought had given him a bad call (which started his outburst). He should have gotten a second code violation & possibly a default for that. Rafter ended up winning 8-6 in the fifth. After the match, Agassi hit a ball directly at the lineswoman who had reported him, narrowly missing her as well (she jumped out of the way). If I remember correctly, some of Agassi's comments about that lineswoman afterward were not polite to say the least. There's also something in Bud Collins's encyclopedia about Agassi spitting at someone during the Australian Open (v. Kucera?), but I didn't see that match.

It's funny that he was defaulted twice in the U.S. for bad language, but nowhere else (for even worse behavior: trying to hit two different linespersons).

fedsfan1
04-13-2005, 02:33 AM
bump for Sierra :)