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oh my god... Fernando Verdasco def Andy Roddick 7-6(9), 4-3 ret.

darnyelb
03-25-2005, 09:25 PM
:eek: What happened?! :eek:

All those ranking points lost too...

Frooty_Bazooty
03-25-2005, 09:27 PM
was just about to post asking myself. theres nothing on t miami website yet sayin why

PaulieM
03-25-2005, 09:28 PM
congrats fernando. what happened to andy??

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:28 PM
Talk about unfortunate. I brought up the live scoring a little bit ago and saw that he retired; couldn't find anything anywhere on why just yet. If anyone finds out why, don't hesitate to post. Poor guy.

Iza
03-25-2005, 09:29 PM
Fer :woohoo: :banana:

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:30 PM
Fer :woohoo: :banana:

LOL, celebrating a retirement by another player. Yes, congrats, Fernando -- you earned that win 100% yourself. :rolleyes: ;)

PaulieM
03-25-2005, 09:30 PM
what on earth is espn going to show all next week now??? :unsure: i guess there's still baldy and sharapova

Eve83
03-25-2005, 09:31 PM
What happened? Anyone!?!

MisterQ
03-25-2005, 09:32 PM
:sad:

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:32 PM
what on earth is espn going to show all next week now??? :unsure: i guess there's still baldy and sharapova

And the Williams sisters, depending on if Serena can actually finish a tournament this time around. :rolleyes:

CassL
03-25-2005, 09:33 PM
Oh my god, first Lleyton and now Andy (I assume) are injured.

*Ljubica*
03-25-2005, 09:33 PM
Congratulations Fernando :banana: Sorry for Roddick's injury. Absolutely fuming that I had a huge bet on Fernando to win this match (real money not VCash), but now the bet will be void because of the retirement and I won't get a penny :bigcry:

tangerine_dream
03-25-2005, 09:33 PM
omg, did Andy twist his weak ankle again? :scared: I hope he's ok, please? :sad:

darnyelb
03-25-2005, 09:34 PM
LOL, celebrating a retirement by another player. Yes, congrats, Fernando -- you earned that win 100% yourself. :rolleyes: ;)

Well, he did save set points to take the first set and he was leading on serve in the 2nd. And he obviously kept himself well enough to play the match. So I say he's earned it.

darnyelb
03-25-2005, 09:36 PM
What does Safin need to do to take over the #3 rank now?

alexito
03-25-2005, 09:36 PM
more boring, federer only to win, no roddick, no hewitt. atp is boring boring.

Scotso
03-25-2005, 09:37 PM
LOL, celebrating a retirement by another player. Yes, congrats, Fernando -- you earned that win 100% yourself. :rolleyes: ;)

:lol: Pathetic excuses.


Fernando :banana: well done!

andyroxmysox12191
03-25-2005, 09:38 PM
A Really Good Friday from the nasdaq site...

I think NOT. Just tell me he's gonna be okay :sad:

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:39 PM
:lol: Pathetic excuses.


Fernando :banana: well done!

Excuses for what?

I'm just not one to go on about a player winning when it was a retirement. The same way I wouldn't brag about winning a match against someone that withdrew or retired during the match. I'm no Maria Sharapova, after all. (Only WTA followers will get that).

:)

safdem
03-25-2005, 09:39 PM
aww man

DanEd
03-25-2005, 09:40 PM
Maybe his right arm?

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:40 PM
from the nasdaq site...

I think NOT. Just tell me he's gonna be okay :sad:

Unless he had a sudden stroke and had to be rushed to the hospital or something, I'm sure he'll be okay. ;)

Domino
03-25-2005, 09:41 PM
What does Safin need to do to take over the #3 rank now?

A quarterfinal, I believe, which he shouldget.

Congrats Fernando, not the best way to win, but the probable outcome anyway. I got a glimpse of it on Satellite in the first set, and it looked like Verdasco was the better player, and nothing looked like it was bothering Andy at the time. He was getting outplayed from the line.

*Ljubica*
03-25-2005, 09:41 PM
Well, he did save set points to take the first set and he was leading on serve in the 2nd. And he obviously kept himself well enough to play the match. So I say he's earned it.

I agree. It's never nice for a player to win due to his opponent's retirement, and although I'm not a Roddick fan I wish him a speedy recovery from whatever it is that's troubling him, - but Fernando nearly beat Roddick not so long ago - and was obviously playing well again tonight - so good luck to him.

darnyelb
03-25-2005, 09:41 PM
Jim McIngvale: "If Miami was relocated to Houston, Andy would have won!"

basil333
03-25-2005, 09:43 PM
Rosie... which bookie??? most pay up as long as the first set is completed...

PaulieM
03-25-2005, 09:43 PM
A quarterfinal, I believe, which he shouldget.

Congrats Fernando, not the best way to win, but the probable outcome anyway. I got a glimpse of it on Satellite in the first set, and it looked like Verdasco was the better player, and nothing looked like it was bothering Andy at the time. He was getting outplayed from the line.
good to hear fernando was playing well, congratulations to him. i'm sure andy will be fine soon.

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 09:43 PM
LOL, celebrating a retirement by another player. Yes, congrats, Fernando -- you earned that win 100% yourself. :rolleyes: ;)

Seeing as you had no idea what had happened when saying this, it was entirely possible that until Roddick retired that Verdasco was outplaying him... and maybe Roddick got injured during the match. In which case celebrating is not nearly as absurd as you make it out to be.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
03-25-2005, 09:43 PM
Jim McIngvale: "If Miami was relocated to Houston, Andy would have won!"

hehe LOL;)
the perfect day would be if Marat will go home too;)

erik-the-red
03-25-2005, 09:44 PM
What is the playing style of Fernando Verdasco? Based off of two matches, he appears to give Roddick some trouble.

NYCtennisfan
03-25-2005, 09:44 PM
Jim McIngvale: "If Miami was relocated to Houston, Andy would have won!"

LMAO!! I hope Roddick is OK. I thought Roddick was going to pull this out even though Nando is a damn good talent. Looks like thinks have opend up for Ivan perhaps?

andyroxmysox12191
03-25-2005, 09:45 PM
Well....guess it was the wrist..
"Roddick retired the match in the second set due to a wrist injury" - Getty

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 09:46 PM
Bah. Wrist injuries are evil.

tennnisgirl7
03-25-2005, 09:46 PM
OMG! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANDY YOU LET ME DOWN!

TheBoiledEgg
03-25-2005, 09:46 PM
Fernando :banana: :D :)
awesome win :yeah:

and i lost $1000 vcash :woohoo:

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:47 PM
Seeing as you had no idea what had happened when saying this, it was entirely possible that until Roddick retired that Verdasco was outplaying him... and maybe Roddick got injured during the match. In which case celebrating is not nearly as absurd as you make it out to be.

The match statistics when I checked were about dead even. I'm not taking anything away from Fernando, he's a great player and he must have been playing well to be able to press the number 2 seed. He very well could have gone on to win without the retirement. A win is a win, a loss is a loss, I'm just more respective when an injury/retirement is thrown into the mix. :)

andyroxmysox12191
03-25-2005, 09:47 PM
Bah. Wrist injuries are evil.

I agree becca...I say they should just go to hell and stop ruining people's lives :p

MissMoJo
03-25-2005, 09:47 PM
more boring, federer only to win, no roddick, no hewitt. atp is boring boring.
Then it's really beyond me why you continue to watch, and then come here to whine about it...when no one cares :rolleyes:

Anyway, hope it's nothing serious with Andy. Verdasco sounds really promising, good luck to him in the next round:yeah:..but better luck to Rafa :p

Scotso
03-25-2005, 09:49 PM
Well considering that Roddick managed to serve near 140mph, I don't think it was bothering him in the first set :)

So well done Fernando, great win!

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 09:50 PM
The match statistics when I checked were about dead even. I'm not taking anything away from Fernando, he's a great player and he must have been playing well to be able to press the number 2 seed. He very well could have gone on to win without the retirement. A win is a win, a loss is a loss, I'm just more respective when an injury/retirement is thrown into the mix. :)

I tend to agree. I try not to get too worked up when somebody I like gets a retirement victory. But given how close their last match was, I can see why the Verdasco fans might be excited anyways. That's all :kiss:

Scotso
03-25-2005, 09:50 PM
And I know people will attack me for this, but I think that Roddick retired from iknowimgoingtoloseanywayitis.

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 09:51 PM
Well considering that Roddick managed to serve near 140mph, I don't think it was bothering him in the first set :)

So well done Fernando, great win!
Or he was pushing it too much which is why he had to retire in the second set. I can't imagine that he would retire against a player he beat in a close match just a couple weeks ago, simply because the going got tough. I have no doubt that it was bothering him. Hopefully it's not a big deal though. :shrug:

Carlita
03-25-2005, 09:51 PM
LOL, celebrating a retirement by another player. Yes, congrats, Fernando -- you earned that win 100% yourself. :rolleyes: ;)
well, at least 85%!!! He was playing great! Would have won anyway! Of course it's sad for Andy.... but can we please still be happy our man is in the next round??? Muchas gracias.

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 09:52 PM
And I know people will attack me for this, but I think that Roddick retired from iknowimgoingtoloseanywayitis.
People will attack you for it because that makes no sense ;)

As I said, he won a tight one against Fer not too long ago. Furthermore, if he can stay in a match with Hewitt while getting completely destroyed and not make excuses for himself afterwards, he can lose a tight one to Verdasco without needing to retire :p

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:52 PM
And I know people will attack me for this, but I think that Roddick retired from iknowimgoingtoloseanywayitis.

I was waiting for someone to say that so I could laugh! Every time a player retires after being down, suddenly they're scared of losing. Top pros don't think like that. Otherwise, I think Roddick would have retired all of the times that Federer was up and winning on him. ;)

Carlita
03-25-2005, 09:53 PM
And I know people will attack me for this, but I think that Roddick retired from iknowimgoingtoloseanywayitis.:haha: you think ?? ;)

Domino
03-25-2005, 09:53 PM
What is the playing style of Fernando Verdasco? Based off of two matches, he appears to give Roddick some trouble.

He's an extremely agressive hitter, taking the ball on the rise so early sometimes it's like a half-volley. However, because of his great footwork and knee-bending he generates all his topspin that way, enabling to hit flatish strokes with spin. It's crazy how much pace he generates, and when he's on, it's winner after winner, even on clay, where he tones it down a little more. He's got a great serve too, but doesn't go for it that much, preferring to add a bit more spin than most top players. It's still a great serve though.

darnyelb
03-25-2005, 09:55 PM
People will attack you for it because that makes no sense ;)

As I said, he won a tight one against Fer not too long ago. Furthermore, if he can stay in a match with Hewitt while getting completely destroyed and not make excuses for himself afterwards, he can lose a tight one to Verdasco without needing to retire :p

Not to mention that he's trying to defend a title and boatloads of ranking points. And the fact that tournament organizers are depending on him to survive 'til next weekend.

trulliscorpion
03-25-2005, 09:55 PM
Why should Andy feel that ashamed? I mean, losing to Verdasco is not that humilliating, he shouldn't really retire at the middle.

Domino
03-25-2005, 09:56 PM
Actually, I would liken Verdasco's ground game to Agassi's when he was a teenager.

bad gambler
03-25-2005, 09:56 PM
ljubicic is the main beneficiary of this i think - proceed to the final and continue his climb up the rankings

btw hope andy gets fit soon :)

Fee
03-25-2005, 09:57 PM
There is now a report floating around out there that this injury is serious, Andy left the grounds immediately and he is on his way to a hospital to get it looked at.

KBF, I really think you are going to regret your comment....

mangoes
03-25-2005, 09:58 PM
oh my goodness.............................. That's so sad. We were expecting some great matches from his draw. I hope Andy is ok.

Scotso
03-25-2005, 09:59 PM
If it turns out to be serious, then I will apologize for my comment. However, I don't think that will ne necessary.

Socket
03-25-2005, 09:59 PM
ljubicic is the main beneficiary of this i think - proceed to the final and continue his climb up the rankings
And Hewitt and Safin.

btw hope andy gets fit soon :)
Ditto. And he should not ask Clijsters for the name of her wrist doctor.

jole
03-25-2005, 09:59 PM
I wanted Verdasco to win, but I hope the injury isn't bad.

Paialii
03-25-2005, 09:59 PM
There is now a report floating around out there that this injury is serious, Andy left the grounds immediately and he is on his way to a hospital to get it looked at.

KBF, I really think you are going to regret your comment....

I hope this isn't the beginning of what Kim Clijsters went through. :awww:

Chloe le Bopper
03-25-2005, 10:00 PM
There is now a report floating around out there that this injury is serious, Andy left the grounds immediately and he is on his way to a hospital to get it looked at.

KBF, I really think you are going to regret your comment....
I doubt KBF will have any regrets. It's not his style ;)

Regardless, I hope it's not too serious. We've seen with Canas how serious wrist injuries can be.

CassL
03-25-2005, 10:00 PM
Wrist injuries... hm... reminds me of Marat's wrist injury that took him over a year to recover... scary scary for Andy me thinks...

trulliscorpion
03-25-2005, 10:00 PM
LMAO!! I hope Roddick is OK. I thought Roddick was going to pull this out even though Nando is a damn good talent. Looks like thinks have opend up for Ivan perhaps?

They weren't yet? :lol:

Paialii
03-25-2005, 10:00 PM
And he should not ask Clijsters for the name of her wrist doctor.

Jinx..sorta. :p

RonE
03-25-2005, 10:00 PM
There is now a report floating around out there that this injury is serious, Andy left the grounds immediately and he is on his way to a hospital to get it looked at.


:eek: Get well soon, Andy :sad:

Such a shame that injuries play such an integral part in thie game these days.

That busts the bottom half of the draw wide open- with Safin totaly unpredictable as far as his form goes this could get very interesting indeed.

bad gambler
03-25-2005, 10:03 PM
time for safino to get his arse into gear

love to see a fed v safin final

c'moooooooooooooonnnnnn!!!

Paialii
03-25-2005, 10:03 PM
time for safino to get his arse into gear

love to see a fed v safin final

c'moooooooooooooonnnnnn!!!

I agree, that'd be grrrrrreat.

maratski
03-25-2005, 10:08 PM
time for safino to get his arse into gear

love to see a fed v safin final

c'moooooooooooooonnnnnn!!!

I'm not counting on it...

I hope the injury isn't too serious. I remember Marat's wrist injury. :sad:

Domino
03-25-2005, 10:08 PM
Well, I might get smashed for this, but like Canas, Roddick's forehand technique involves way too much wrist, and the serve places too much emphasis on acceleration of the racquet using the wrist (as opposed to building up momentum in a swing). This may be a consequence of that; we've already seen what a prolonged match in the AO did in 03, when pushed to the limit, his wrist got tendonitis (I believe that is what happened, correct me if I got the injury wrong)

However, this could turn out to be tendonitis again, now that I think about it.

loeliepoelie
03-25-2005, 10:09 PM
Well done Nando!!! Hope Andy is ok, and that he isn't in hospital right now!

Marat never does wel in IW and Miami, so I'm not expecting him to do well, but I'm hoping he'll surprise me!

tangerine_dream
03-25-2005, 10:09 PM
oooh, a Safin/Fed final. Rematch! :devil:

Please take care of that wrist, Andy. :sad:

joeb_uk
03-25-2005, 10:11 PM
oooh, a Safin/Fed final. Rematch! :devil:

Please take care of that wrist, Andy. :sad:
Yep! thats the match we all hope for :)

basil333
03-25-2005, 10:13 PM
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Injured Roddick upset at Key Biscayne

By STEVEN WINE, AP Sports Writer
March 25, 2005

AP - Mar 25, 4:37 pm EST
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KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. (AP) -- Defending champion Andy Roddick lost his opening match Friday at the Nasdaq-100 Open when a right wrist injury forced him to retire trailing Fernando Verdasco.

The Spaniard led 7-6 (9), 4-3 when Roddick called it quits. He received treatment during the second set from a trainer who taped his wrist, but No. 2-seeded Roddick's serve and forehand lacked their usual zip in the final games.

It was unclear when the injury occurred, but it may have been when Roddick lost his temper after double-faulting on the final point of the first set. He angrily launched a ball into the second deck of the stadium, then broke his racket by slamming it to the hardcourt.

When Roddick retired seven games later, he handed the broken racket to young fans clustered along the railing as he exited.

Verdasco, a left-hander ranked 45th, overcame three set points in the tiebreaker and avenged a three-set loss to Roddick at Indian Wells two weeks ago.

uNIVERSE mAN
03-25-2005, 10:15 PM
Players are really on to his game now.

blosson
03-25-2005, 10:16 PM
Roger is in a league of his own we always think it will ne he and somebody else in the final.

I hope it's Agassi in the final at the top draw :p

World Beater
03-25-2005, 10:22 PM
Well, I might get smashed for this, but like Canas, Roddick's forehand technique involves way too much wrist, and the serve places too much emphasis on acceleration of the racquet using the wrist (as opposed to building up momentum in a swing). This may be a consequence of that; we've already seen what a prolonged match in the AO did in 03, when pushed to the limit, his wrist got tendonitis (I believe that is what happened, correct me if I got the injury wrong)

However, this could turn out to be tendonitis again, now that I think about it.

Do you think federer puts as much strain on his wrist during his forehand? There was an article about it not so long ago where they quoted a doctor as saying he would develop problems.

Black Adam
03-25-2005, 10:22 PM
My bet is Monfils :devil: :aplot:

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 10:35 PM
I await you recanting your cruel statement with baited breath, KarolBeckFan.
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F. VERDASCO/A. Roddick
7-6, 4-3 (ret.)
An interview with:


ANDY RODDICK


THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Andy, what have you done?

ANDY RODDICK: I guess a light sprain of the wrist. It was late in the first set. I think it was 5‑All, me serving, up 40‑Love. He hit a return really deep, I kind of did one of these real quick and just caught something the wrong way, just jammed it a little bit.

You know, I have decent strength and I can squeeze it, so that's a very good sign. It's just that when ‑‑ my up and down. So in case you weren't watching, kick serves were a bit of a struggle and, you know, kind of really getting over a forehand was a little bit of a struggle.

But trying to hit flat and hitting my flat serve was okay but you're only going to go so far with that without a second serve and kind of a forehand you can really come over.

Q. Do you think if you had gotten through that first set you would have been all right?

ANDY RODDICK: I doubt it. I might have tried to maybe sneak through, but it wouldn't have changed the nature of what happened. It was tough for me to hit second serves out there once it happened, and it was tough to ‑‑ it didn't make anything better how heavy he was hitting the ball.

Q. So a second round was not going to happen?

ANDY RODDICK: I don't think so. I don't think so.

Q. What are you feeling?

ANDY RODDICK: As far as...?

Q. Just your emotions?

ANDY RODDICK: Just disappointed. I mean, you try to have as positive an outlook as you can. You know, I'm glad that right now they don't think there's any long‑term or anything, you know, permanently damaged or anything like that. That's good. But it's going to take some rest.

Q. Left wrist?

ANDY RODDICK: Right.

Q. Right wrist?

ANDY RODDICK: Left wrist wouldn't really affect my serve.

Q. What have you done for it so far and do you think it will be okay for your next tournament?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, luckily my next tournament is, what, three weeks away.

Q. Houston?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah. I have a pretty significant amount of time, about as much time as you'll get between tournaments. So I'm pretty optimistic.

Q. Is Houston next on your schedule?

ANDY RODDICK: Yes. I mean, I don't know. That's what I'm looking at right now with what everyone's telling me. So we'll see.

Q. The timing on your decision to retire when you did at 4‑3, what went into your thought process there?

ANDY RODDICK: Well, I talked to Per for a couple switchovers. He said "Let's try taping it, see if it kind of maybe just gives it some more support." He said "If that helps, then go for it. If it doesn't help, then, you know, there's an element of risk." I think that's what all tennis players are scared of, is doing something major, you know, where you're out months at a time. So that's always scary, and in the back of your mind. It's tough to concentrate on playing a match when you hear those voices, when you're trying to hit certain shots.

Q. This must be a really devastating result for you. Obviously, this is the biggest tournament that you won last year under the tutelage of BG (Brad Gilbert). Now you're obviously thinking about picking up a Slam along the way. What are your thoughts now about the rest of your year?

ANDY RODDICK: Pretty much the same as when I went into today. You know, hopefully, like I said, with, you know, some days of rest and recovery and icing, you know, hopefully it will come around and I'll be good to go to start the clay court season.

Q. Have you had a stretch in your career with a couple of injuries back‑to‑back like this?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, I used to get banged up every once in a while but not as flukish as this, you know. The other ones were kind of from wear and tear. These were kind of just two specific movements that were a little unlucky.

You know, not in a while.

Q. But you have experience from Juniors of fighting through, of knowing when to rest, knowing how to come back? This isn't a new process?

ANDY RODDICK: No, no, I don't think it's a new process for any athlete who competes 11 months a year. Stuff is going to go wrong. You're going to have nicks and bruises. But, you know, thankfully I'm in probably the best shape I've ever been in, so that will definitely help the recovery process.

Q. Did you know right when you made that movement that there was something wrong?

ANDY RODDICK: Well, some time ‑‑ I knew that it was uncomfortable right away, but sometimes you just jar it and hope that it kind of subsides or is tolerable. You know, it was still ‑‑ when it was still there and I was still thinking about it and it was still on my mind six, seven, eight games later, then I was worried.

Q. It's a sprain, is it?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, that's what they call it, a light sprain.

Q. When you threw the racquet down, was that total frustration about the whole thing, the injury, or that particular point?

ANDY RODDICK: No, it was probably a combination, you know. I knew that something wasn't totally right, I wasn't able to hit the shot that I wanted to. I mean, I had three doubles in the tiebreaker on second serve. So that's not typical.

I don't know if there's much more ‑‑ I don't know if there's anything that's more frustrating than out there, trying to do something, being expected to do something and not really feeling like you can do it to the best of your ability. It's a pretty frustrating scenario to be in.

Q. Do you have an idea of how long before you'll try to play again?

ANDY RODDICK: Like I said, luckily, I don't have to be back in five days or six days; I have three weeks between tournaments.

But, you know, I hope to be back in hopefully days instead of weeks.

Q. What's next for you? What will you do now? Go home and rest?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah. I'll probably be bored so...

Q. Watch basketball?

ANDY RODDICK: Watch basketball, watch my pool just get worse and worse. I'm not sure. You know, I haven't really thought that far ahead. I mean, go home and try to think of something to do, I guess.

Q. Until the moment of your injury, how did you rate the match and Verdasco's game?

ANDY RODDICK: I think a lot of him. I think he's, you know, he hits the ball a ton. If he can, you know, learn how to play consistently, he'll definitely be someone who's going to be reckoned with. He has a lot of up side. You know, he's 45. You think with his game, he definitely has ‑‑ you haven't seen the best of him yet.

lucashg
03-25-2005, 10:35 PM
I'm sorry for Roddick. From the stats you could see that even though the match was definitely very close, Verdasco seemed to be playing better than him. So, let's not say he didn't deserve it and if this Yahoo! article happens to be truth, Roddick has no one to blame but himself, he tends to lose his nerves bad sometimes, especially if he's playing in front of his crowd.

I hope it's not a big deal and that he can return as soon as possible. I don't like his game, but when you have Hewitt, Roddick and possibly Agassi out due to injury, and Safin floating on his inconsistence, it gets frustrating.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 10:36 PM
I can't believe some of the people on this forum. Why would Andy have retired if it wasn't serious. He's a genuinely good guy and wouldn't retire if he was getting outplayed (he's had plenty of chances in the past against Federer and Hewitt). He also had a bucketload of points to defend. Why don't you cut the guy some slack, I mean if Federer retired from a match half this forum would be worried sick, not trying to come up with different ways of criticising Roddick.

I was really hoping for a Roddick-Nadal 3rd round match, I'm pretty disappointed plus I like Andy, I hope it's not serious. He could do without more injuries. Congratulations Fernando, hope you get to meet your good mate Rafa in the next round :p (Rafa's won both previous meetings comfortably)

Havok
03-25-2005, 10:38 PM
:o To all the idiots who are actually congratulating Fernando on a retirement win. Speedy recovery for Roddick, and Verdasco caught the lucky break, and I'd really like him to make some use of the draw, but Andy got a tough as hell draw so I guess bad luck returns for Fernando.:(

PaulieM
03-25-2005, 10:41 PM
:o To all the idiots who are actually congratulating Fernando on a retirement win. Speedy recovery for Roddick, and Verdasco caught the lucky break, and I'd really like him to make some use of the draw, but Andy got a tough as hell draw so I guess bad luck returns for Fernando.:(
there's nothing wrong with congratulating fernando but people shouldn't be hating on andy either. fernando was playing well and deserves to be congratulated for that. most people hope andy gets better soon but a win is a win, and you shouldn't take anything away from fernando it's not his fault.

the cat
03-25-2005, 10:42 PM
Andy needs to play about 16 tournaments a year. His physical style of tennis is taking a toll on him. I hope he is okay.

Congrats to Fernado.

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 10:43 PM
Andy needs to play about 16 tournaments a year. His physical style of tennis is taking a toll on him. I hope he is okay.

Congrats to Fernado.

Well if you read his press conference, he says he can attribute it to one specific movement and specifically that it was NOT a function of wear and tear. Hopefully he'll be ok.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 10:44 PM
Thanks for the interview Deb. I can't believe how many people dislike Roddick, he must be incredibly pissed off after what happened but he still comes out and gives a totally genuine interview, giving a lot of praise to Verdasco. I also can't believe some idiot asked him if it was his left wrist after Andy said he was struggling with his serve :rolleyes:

tennischick
03-25-2005, 10:45 PM
is it his toe? :confused: there seems to be a rash of toe injuries this season.

congrats Verdasco. i told you you could do it :kiss: :kiss:

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 10:46 PM
I also can't believe some idiot asked him if it was his left wrist after Andy said he was struggling with his serve :rolleyes:

That's not as good as asking him how he's feeling emotionally.... what's he supposed to say: "Yea I feel great, having to retire in front of my home crowd, friends, family, as defending champion and one of my favorite tournaments."????????? Crikey.

euroka1
03-25-2005, 10:46 PM
there's nothing wrong with congratulating fernando but people shouldn't be hating on andy either. fernando was playing well and deserves to be congratulated for that. most people hope andy gets better soon but a win is a win, and you shouldn't take anything away from fernando it's not his fault.

I agree, congratulations are in order to Verdasco and sympathy to Roddick. But we could do without the raquet smashing, though.

tennischick
03-25-2005, 10:47 PM
sorry i just read the interview and saw the wrist comment.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 10:48 PM
That's not as good as asking him how he's feeling emotionally.... what's he supposed to say: "Yea I feel great, having to retire in front of my home crowd, friends, family, as defending champion and one of my favorite tournaments."????????? Crikey.

yeah i know. i'm absolutely gutted, i dread to think how he's feeling :(

lucashg
03-25-2005, 10:49 PM
Hm, just read the interview. It's not too serious, then. I think he'll be ok until Houston.

Now he sure will have to improve his clay results and depend on Safin's inconsistency to secure his #3 spot. I don't know, I think he'll be #4 until Wimbledon.

Havok
03-25-2005, 10:50 PM
there's nothing wrong with congratulating fernando but people shouldn't be hating on andy either. fernando was playing well and deserves to be congratulated for that. most people hope andy gets better soon but a win is a win, and you shouldn't take anything away from fernando it's not his fault.
Sure there isn't nothing wrong with congratulating Fernando on his win, but my comment was directed to ccertain people and they know who they are. You nailed it with the second part of your opening sentence. Andy is hated on, and already there's acusations that he retired just because he was losing, and there's bound to be other shit to arise from this result. Who are we kidding, a retirement from Roddick, the haters will have a field day with this one, though who knows if they'll put it into play.:)

Alvarillo
03-25-2005, 10:51 PM
Fer should have beaten him last week, now he got it
congrats Fer, finally an important victory!!!!!
:worship:

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 10:52 PM
Hm, just read the interview. It's not too serious, then. I think he'll be ok until Houston.


Hopefully. In the pics from the match, he's grimacing pretty badly, looks like he's in a lot of pain.

I'm annoyed he said he's not playing til Houston. Monte Carlo is before Houston. He needs to play over there. If he skips that just to save a trip to play Houston instead, his ranking deserves to plummet and he'll deserve it when he bombs out in the 2nd round at RG again. He did it in 2002 and 2003, surely he can do it again.

Rosa Luxembourg
03-25-2005, 10:58 PM
time for Andy to find a new coach?

should have not fired Tariq IMO....

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 10:59 PM
What does jarring your wrist have to do with your coach?

adeegee
03-25-2005, 11:00 PM
time for Andy to find a new coach?

should have not fired Tariq IMO....

Tariq had done as much as he could with Andy, I think getting rid of BG was a bit hasty. But anyway, this result has nothing to do with his coach its just bad luck, plus Verdasco is a very sound player on his day

Neely
03-25-2005, 11:00 PM
Oh nooooooo, Andy! :sad: :rolleyes: :banghead:
Hopefully his injury is not too severe and the retirement was more precautionary!



And I know people will attack me for this, but I think that Roddick retired from iknowimgoingtoloseanywayitis.
what a stupid comment, because you know it better, don't you? :rolleyes:
if you want to celebrate Roddick's injury just say nothing at all next time, can't be that hard....

Bilbo
03-25-2005, 11:03 PM
Verdasco at his best is a class above Roddick.

Neely
03-25-2005, 11:05 PM
Verdasco at his best is a class above Roddick.
And Safin would be two classes above Federer...

JCF
03-25-2005, 11:06 PM
Verdasco at his best is a class above Roddick.
On clay maybe...

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 11:06 PM
Oh nooooooo, Andy! :sad: :rolleyes: :banghead:
Hopefully his injury is not too severe and the retirement was more precautionary!

I can't imagine he'd retire from a match like this that was still theoretically winnable if it was just precautionary. The trainer probably told him it could get worse if he continued, and he looks like he was in a lot of pain, so yeah. I don't think he'd retire and give up 495 rankings points, plus defending the title, in front of his home Florida crowd with his family and friends there, etc., if it was just precautionary.



what a stupid comment, because you know it better, don't you? :rolleyes:
if you want to celebrate Roddick's injury just say nothing at all next time, can't be that hard....

Obviously for some people, it is.

Neely
03-25-2005, 11:11 PM
I can't imagine he'd retire from a match like this that was still theoretically winnable if it was just precautionary. The trainer probably told him it could get worse if he continued, and he looks like he was in a lot of pain, so yeah. I don't think he'd retire and give up 495 rankings points, plus defending the title, in front of his home Florida crowd with his family and friends there, etc., if it was just precautionary.
Maybe there is confusion about a word now, you know English is not my first language, but if you could play through pain and if you theoretically could continue to play (even it would be a much lower level), I was actually calling this situation "precautionary", in order to avoid further demage or making it worse.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 11:11 PM
Verdasco at his best is a class above Roddick.

Don't be silly. I like Verdasco he's got a lot of potential but to say at his best he's a different class to Roddick is just nonsense

Domino
03-25-2005, 11:11 PM
Do you think federer puts as much strain on his wrist during his forehand? There was an article about it not so long ago where they quoted a doctor as saying he would develop problems.

No, Federer actually goes lower in his swing and thus creates more spin with his shoulder rotation and swing. He does use a lot of wrist, but not nearly as much as Canas and Roddick.

However, it now seems Roddick jammed his wrist when he broke his racquet. Best of luck in recovery.

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 11:14 PM
Maybe there is confusion about a word now, you know English is not my first language, but if you could play through pain and if you theoretically could continue to play (even it would be a much lower level), I was actually calling this situation "precautionary", in order to avoid further demage or making it worse.

Yea, that's correct use of the word - no language problem :) I'm saying that in my opinion, if it was something like that, which he could just play through and not make it worse, I think he would have played. That's why I think that the trainer probably told him he COULD make it worse. But again that's just my opinion. The fact that he played from 5-5 in the first until 4-3 in the second shows pretty well that he didn't want to quit, I think. He played 2 games after it was taped and obviously knew he couldn't play through it or knew he couldn't go on.

Domino what are you talking about. He broke his racquet after he doublefaulted the TB away, he hurt his wrist at 5-5 40-0 in the first set.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 11:18 PM
Poor Deb, having to defend Andy all the time. I would offer to help out but hardly anyone is reasonable on here when it comes to Andy so I won't bother :p

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 11:21 PM
Nah, I don't really care. This is like the first time i've been to GM except to look at a couple of particular threads that people gave me links for in like 2 months.

I really pity the people who are so filled with hate that they take happiness from someone else's pain. If it were anyone but Andy, and people said some of these things, there would be new threads created and outcries to ban those people. But whatever, it's semi-amusing.

It's also pointless to argue about Fernando being a "better" player, especially since no one even SAW this match today. it's just silly. So, this will be my last post here cuz it really is just pointless.

trulliscorpion
03-25-2005, 11:22 PM
Q. Left wrist?

ANDY RODDICK: Right.

Q. Right wrist?

ANDY RODDICK: Left wrist wouldn't really affect my serve.



:tape:

Neely
03-25-2005, 11:23 PM
Yea, that's correct use of the word - no language problem :)
phew, good to hear! And I got it wrong somehow and was worried that I said something wrong which I acutally didn't want to say that way :hug:

NATAS81
03-25-2005, 11:24 PM
Well at least Andy has time to re-coop for clay. How good he'll be depends on his ability to adjust to footwork.

JCF
03-25-2005, 11:26 PM
Nah, I don't really care. This is like the first time i've been to GM except to look at a couple of particular threads that people gave me links for in like 2 months.

I really pity the people who are so filled with hate that they take happiness from someone else's pain. If it were anyone but Andy, and people said some of these things, there would be new threads created and outcries to ban those people. But whatever, it's semi-amusing.

It's also pointless to argue about Fernando being a "better" player, especially since no one even SAW this match today. it's just silly. So, this will be my last post here cuz it really is just pointless.
Don't go....you're a very interesting poster....

Its sad that alot of ppl cannot see Roddick for a really likeable guy. Just because he is a bit hyped up on court doesn't mean anything, he's actually imo just as likeable as Federer, Ferrero, Henman or most other guys. And when has Roddick not been classy in defeat?

Good for you for sticking up for your favourite, its sad that some ppl can't see past a bit of emotion.

Deboogle!.
03-25-2005, 11:26 PM
Well at least Andy has time to re-coop for clay. How good he'll be depends on his ability to adjust to footwork.

Well he has plenty of time to work on it now - he can do that while not playing with his wrist, certainly

of course if he doesn't PLAY on clay it doesn't matter how he moves on it. Blah. :smash:

Thanks JCF, but I'm over all the bickering. I used to come to General Messages every day and fight with people and it was just so stupid. No one's gonna change my mind about Andy and I'm not gonna change anyone's mind about him, either. It's pointless, and I have better things to do with my time. A lot of people here are just so hate-filled and mean that it becomes unenjoyable. Why would I want to waste my time on that. I'd rather just cheer for my faves and enjoy the great sport that is tennis.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 11:31 PM
So, this will be my last post here cuz it really is just pointless.

:haha: you kept to that long!

blosson
03-25-2005, 11:36 PM
so, Roger can relax now...:)

RickDaStick
03-25-2005, 11:41 PM
Don't leave Deb. You are one of the few Roddick fans that are knowlegeable and i enjoy reading your posts.

World Beater
03-25-2005, 11:42 PM
Well he has plenty of time to work on it now - he can do that while not playing with his wrist, certainly

of course if he doesn't PLAY on clay it doesn't matter how he moves on it. Blah. :smash:

Thanks JCF, but I'm over all the bickering. I used to come to General Messages every day and fight with people and it was just so stupid. No one's gonna change my mind about Andy and I'm not gonna change anyone's mind about him, either. It's pointless, and I have better things to do with my time. A lot of people here are just so hate-filled and mean that it becomes unenjoyable. Why would I want to waste my time on that. I'd rather just cheer for my faves and enjoy the great sport that is tennis.

Sorry, I can only recall one person suggesting that andy retired because he was losing. Other than that, most people either congratulated fernando on getting to the next round or sympathized with andy.

I don't dispute the fact that many fans dislike andy for whatever reason, but this thread isn't evidence for that.

adeegee
03-25-2005, 11:43 PM
Hey Ivan are you looking forward to Nadal v Ljubicic in the 4th round?

RickDaStick
03-25-2005, 11:44 PM
Hey Ivan are you looking forward to Nadal v Ljubicic in the 4th round?

I would love to see that but not so sure Nadal will beat Verdasco. Verdascos game is more suited for the hardcourts but we'll see. Ivan vs Spadea isnt a sure thing either.

User id 7816
03-25-2005, 11:58 PM
I feel this thread/news deserve some compassion. Some for Andy, and some for his non-obsessed fans, esply Deb.It's no good nagging abt it when a player is injured, its obvious he cudnt continue, the rest is just jokes. It's also no good bad repping someone because they stated their opinion without any mean remarks or something, but I guess that comes down to education and lack of it :)
Gotta say Im happy that Nando actually showed he's up there, he was 2 games away from winning the match and hope he'll do well in the tourney!

onion
03-26-2005, 12:36 AM
I bet $100 of my vcash on roddick... :p I'm obviously not happy!
But nah, hope Roddick's ok. It's not nice to see a good player retire because of injuries.

Scotso
03-26-2005, 01:10 AM
He said he'll be fine in days. I said if the "injury" was serious, I would apologize.

But if...

"It was unclear when the injury occurred, but it may have been when Roddick lost his temper after double-faulting on the final point of the first set. He angrily launched a ball into the second deck of the stadium, then broke his racket by slamming it to the hardcourt."

... is true, he brought it on himself. :shrug:

tennnisgirl7
03-26-2005, 01:20 AM
I bet $100 of my vcash on roddick... :p I'm obviously not happy!
But nah, hope Roddick's ok. It's not nice to see a good player retire because of injuries.

I bet 150 of my vcash on roddick arrrrrrrrrrgh! but oh well i wish the best of luck to Andy and may god be with you andy because it looks like you could use the extra help i mean 4th in the rankings thats really not like you andy.

Deboogle!.
03-26-2005, 01:32 AM
He said he'll be fine in days. I said if the "injury" was serious, I would apologize.

But if...

"It was unclear when the injury occurred, but it may have been when Roddick lost his temper after double-faulting on the final point of the first set. He angrily launched a ball into the second deck of the stadium, then broke his racket by slamming it to the hardcourt."

... is true, he brought it on himself. :shrug:

Oh, my god. If you bothered to read his press conference you would see that he injured it before that happened. So if you choose to trust the AP, which gets caught mistaking facts all the time (and has since changed their article and removed that part after Andy's press conference was released), or what he himself said, that it happened at a very specific point in the first set, just because you don't like Andy and would rather believe the version that makes him sound bad, then I just really pity you so much.

for-sure
03-26-2005, 01:33 AM
What is the playing style of Fernando Verdasco? Based off of two matches, he appears to give Roddick some trouble.

He is very powerful off both sides. First time I saw him I was very impressed. I think he will do well for himself on the ATP tour.

Scotso
03-26-2005, 01:33 AM
You can pity me all you want, hun.

Forgive me for not believing everything Roddick says... like he would admit to hurting himself whilst being an ass.

Blaze
03-26-2005, 01:34 AM
Hope Roddick get better quickly.

By the way I just saw someone like Agassi at the Heat and Suns game in Maimi (ESPN)? Is that really him?

Deboogle!.
03-26-2005, 01:38 AM
You can pity me all you want, hun.

Forgive me for not believing everything Roddick says... like he would admit to hurting himself whilst being an ass.

:haha: you are really too much. Go read a more recently updated AP article, it's completely different and even says "The tiebreaker made it clear that Roddick wasn't right." Thus, the original source of that statement has changed it to reflect what really happened and has completely deleted the part you quoted. I mean, are you kidding me? You really think he would make a whole story up about not being able to kick his serve and hit topspin just to cover something up? Well wait, obviously you do. Wow.

Ok this is absolutely pointless, you are not worth my energy and I said I wasn't gonna reply in this thread anymore, so now I'll keep that promise.


Probably is him, Blaze. He met Shaq at a party last night :)

Scotso
03-26-2005, 01:47 AM
:wavey:

dAgEnIuS
03-26-2005, 01:47 AM
DaMN!!!!
i bet 150 in favor of ANdy Roddick in this forum...
he just messed me up........

smucav
03-26-2005, 01:55 AM
Now he sure will have to improve his clay results and depend on Safin's inconsistency to secure his #3 spot. I don't know, I think he'll be #4 until Wimbledon.Safin at the most would have a 395 point lead (if he wins the tournament), but has 525 points to defend in the four big clay events (plus 120 points from Estoril he currently isn't planning to defend with a next best fifth of only 25). Andy has only 40 points in the four big events to defend (plus 120 from Houston, with a next best fifth of 110). Safin would have to have a better clay season than he did last year to retain a lead over Andy until Wimbledon (which most likely would seed Andy higher than Safin anyway taking into account previous grass court results).

lucashg
03-26-2005, 02:20 AM
Safin at the most would have a 395 point lead (if he wins the tournament), but has 525 points to defend in the four big clay events (plus 120 points from Estoril he currently isn't planning to defend with a next best fifth of only 25). Andy has only 40 points in the four big events to defend (plus 120 from Houston, with a next best fifth of 110). Safin would have to have a better clay season than he did last year to retain a lead over Andy until Wimbledon (which most likely would seed Andy higher than Safin anyway taking into account previous grass court results).

Thanks for the info, I don't know much about ranking systems and have no idea how well Safin played on clay last year. And no, I don't think Safin will win Miami, but can get further than he has ever.

Dirk
03-26-2005, 02:42 AM
Andy will be seeded 3 at Wimbly especially if he does well at Queens. That means he will likely have to go through Hewitt again if he wants a shot at the king.

ftd999
03-26-2005, 03:42 AM
:eek: What happened?! :eek:

All those ranking points lost too...

I wonder what the record for number of threads on the same topic is? I just scrolled through 'new posts' and saw like 32 threads on the Roddick loss :p

Is this really that surprising a loss? I'm not surprised at all. Verdasco's a young and hungry player, full of fire and energy, and looking to upset top players. He probably felt like he should have beaten Roddick last week. My guess is Roddick saw the draw and said 'God, not this guy again'. Remember, this isn't a slam, and top players are prone to lose to fiery up and comers in smaller tournaments. The top players just don't care about these tournaments as much. Hell, they just played the Pacific last week.

If Roddick and Verdasco meet at this years US Open, I wouldn't be making any predictions based on this match.

As to your question 'what happened', didn't Roddick say he sustained a wrist injury at the end of the first set :p Over the years, it always seems like Roddick gets these little injuries when he's struggling against lower players.

tennischick
03-26-2005, 03:45 AM
You can pity me all you want, hun.

Forgive me for not believing everything Roddick says... like he would admit to hurting himself whilst being an ass.
:lol: :lol: the Duck does have a history of faking altho' to be fair i think he stopped doing that once he hooked up with Brad. so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. let's wait and see how quickly he recovers. as Clijsters' case showed us, recovery from a wrist injury can take months. ;)

ftd999
03-26-2005, 03:46 AM
omg, did Andy twist his weak ankle again? :scared: I hope he's ok, please? :sad:

weak ankle, weak wrist, weak "****". It all seems weak when he's losing. These losses don't mean anything though. The guy knows how to pick it up when the slams roll around, and that's what matters. I think if I had to play an annoying player like Verdasco twice in two weeks, I'd probably quit too :p

adeegee
03-26-2005, 03:49 AM
I wonder what the record for number of threads on the same topic is? I just scrolled through 'new posts' and saw like 32 threads on the Roddick loss :p
I think Federer comfortably takes that crown when he won Indian Wells

tennischick
03-26-2005, 03:52 AM
weak ankle, weak wrist, weak "****". It all seems weak when he's losing. These losses don't mean anything though. The guy knows how to pick it up when the slams roll around, and that's what matters. I think if I had to play an annoying player like Verdasco twice in two weeks, I'd probably quit too :p
what makes Fernando annoying? :confused: he looks like a sweetie to me :hearts:

darnyelb
03-26-2005, 03:58 AM
I wonder what the record for number of threads on the same topic is? I just scrolled through 'new posts' and saw like 32 threads on the Roddick loss :p

Really? I look at the general message board and this is the only main thread on it, as far as I can tell.

ftd999
03-26-2005, 04:01 AM
what makes Fernando annoying? :confused: he looks like a sweetie to me :hearts:

I was mildly kidding around. I haven't actually seen Verdasco play yet :p But from reading about his game, he sounds like Fernando Gonzalez, who I've seen tons, and is definitely an annoying player.

I don't know how much tennis you've played, but I can't stand playing guys who just hit out the whole time. You can't get any rhythm at all and you just feel like the match is out of your hands. For someone who likes to get into the rallies and fight hard mentally, these guys can drive you nuts. Especially when they get a groove and start pasting the lines every shot, which they always seem to do.

I'd be willing to bet that Roddick saw this draw, and had absolutely no desire to play Verdasco.

tennischick
03-26-2005, 04:01 AM
Really? I look at the general message board and this is the only main thread on it, as far as I can tell.
he clicked thru "new posts" and mistook 32 new posts for 32 new threads ;)

ftd999
03-26-2005, 04:03 AM
Really? I look at the general message board and this is the only main thread on it, as far as I can tell.

I was exaggerating a bit :p There were probably five or six on the first few pages, and I'm sure a few were mainly empty or just news article posts. And I was under 'new posts', not GM.

tennischick
03-26-2005, 04:03 AM
I was mildly kidding around. I haven't actually seen Verdasco play yet :p But from reading about his game, he sounds like Fernando Gonzalez, who I've seen tons, and is definitely an annoying player.

I don't know how much tennis you've played, but I can't stand playing guys who just hit out the whole time. You can't get any rhythm at all and you just feel like the match is out of your hands. For someone who likes to get into the rallies and fight hard mentally, these guys can drive you nuts. Especially when they get a groove and start pasting the lines every shot, which they always seem to do.

I'd be willing to bet that Roddick saw this draw, and had absolutely no desire to play Verdasco.
i've seen both guys and trust me there is NO comparison. i agree with your assessment of Gonzo. Verdasco is no Gonzo. if he was he would not have come as close to spanking the Duck at Indian Wells. and spanking him today. Verdasco is a much more creative player and IMO he has a more complete game than big-bashing Gonzo. he plays a more mindful type of game. but he still makes too many errors. once he changes that, watch out world! :eek:

i hope you get to see him soon ;)

darnyelb
03-26-2005, 04:04 AM
I was mildly kidding around. I haven't actually seen Verdasco play yet :p But from reading about his game, he sounds like Fernando Gonzalez, who I've seen tons, and is definitely an annoying player.

Wow, I can't think of ANY player that plays like Fernando Gonzalez. I watched Verdasco (seriously, anyone see his name and think 'Tobasco'?) a couple weeks ago, and he was much more thoughtful with his game as well as more accurate with his shots.

KTF
03-26-2005, 04:07 AM
OMG ! i BET there're billions of you want Andy to retire :devil:

Scotso
03-26-2005, 04:30 AM
Q. What have you done for it so far and do you think it will be okay for your next tournament?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, luckily my next tournament is, what, three weeks away.

Q. Houston?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah. I have a pretty significant amount of time, about as much time as you'll get between tournaments. So I'm pretty optimistic.


BTW, someone should tell Andy that Monte Carlo is in two weeks. Or is he planning to be injured that week?

World Beater
03-26-2005, 05:12 AM
Wow, I can't think of ANY player that plays like Fernando Gonzalez. I watched Verdasco (seriously, anyone see his name and think 'Tobasco'?) a couple weeks ago, and he was much more thoughtful with his game as well as more accurate with his shots.
tennis-x calls him hot-sauce

Fee
03-26-2005, 05:13 AM
Either he wasn't thinking clearly because he was preoccupied with other things, or he was never planning to play Monte Carlo. It happens (but it was not a wise decision on his part, or his coach's, if he was planning to pass on a Masters).

Ferrero Forever
03-26-2005, 05:13 AM
i'm happy Fernando *won*, but i would have rathered he had done it by gaining 2 sets off andy. Oh well, Nadal next, another match of which i don't know who to cheer for-though i'll probably go for Verdasco

papasmurf11
03-26-2005, 05:37 AM
I actually just got back from the tournament in Miami. Im really dissapointed in Andy he was being really sluggish on the court today. Also he had a horrible temper today. I think even if he hadnt retired he still wouldnt have won. Fernando was taking full advantage of Andy being lazy and he was playing awesome tennis.

tennischick
03-26-2005, 05:40 AM
I actually just got back from the tournament in Miami. Im really dissapointed in Andy he was being really sluggish on the court today. Also he had a horrible temper today. I think even if he hadnt retired he still wouldnt have won. Fernando was taking full advantage of Andy being lazy and he was playing awesome tennis.
thanks for the report. there's no substitute for actually being there. ;)

:wavey:

Ace Tracker
03-26-2005, 06:06 AM
I actually just got back from the tournament in Miami. Im really dissapointed in Andy he was being really sluggish on the court today. Also he had a horrible temper today. I think even if he hadnt retired he still wouldnt have won. Fernando was taking full advantage of Andy being lazy and he was playing awesome tennis.

actually I though that Verdasco was playing a very smart game while Andy showed that he was not well prepared by his staff to face a leftie (where is ys when you need hem ;) ?) with a looping forehand... Fernando kept it simple and made this match basically a crosscourt battle between his forehand and Roddick's backhand.

Verdasco has a looping backswing that makes his strokes, especially from the forehand side, fly with a vicious topspin and bounce at shoulder high.... Roddick tends to bend his elbow too closely while hitting a backhand and a high bouncing ball will always cause him trouble on that side because he cannot effectively throw his body weigh behind the shot the way he does with a waist high ball, so it's no wonder that Verdasco was winning most of the cross court rallies... if Roddick were better prepared for this match, he would have to turn the rallies around to make it his forehand against Verdasco's considerably weaker backhand side, a match-up that he would assurely be in better position to win...

safdem
03-26-2005, 06:18 AM
bloody hell...i bet 500 vcash on roddick

papasmurf11
03-26-2005, 06:23 AM
I never said Fernando didnt play well I mean he played excellent and outsmarted Andy on many points. I also think though Andy was not into the match today he had sluggish movement and Fernando took advantage by really moving him around.

CooCooCachoo
03-26-2005, 06:54 AM
And we add another injured player to the list :rolleyes:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
03-26-2005, 06:57 AM
Go Verdasco

tennischick
03-26-2005, 07:11 AM
actually I though that Verdasco was playing a very smart game while Andy showed that he was not well prepared by his staff to face a leftie (where is ys when you need hem ;) ?) with a looping forehand... Fernando kept it simple and made this match basically a crosscourt battle between his forehand and Roddick's backhand.

Verdasco has a looping backswing that makes his strokes, especially from the forehand side, fly with a vicious topspin and bounce at shoulder high.... Roddick tends to bend his elbow too closely while hitting a backhand and a high bouncing ball will always cause him trouble on that side because he cannot effectively throw his body weigh behind the shot the way he does with a waist high ball, so it's no wonder that Verdasco was winning most of the cross court rallies... if Roddick were better prepared for this match, he would have to turn the rallies around to make it his forehand against Verdasco's considerably weaker backhand side, a match-up that he would assurely be in better position to win...

you make terrific points.

but after the Davis Cup fiasco i concluded that the problem is not that the Duck's people don't prepare him adequately but that he has a problem maintaining the appropriate focus and sticking to the plan for which he has been prepared.

read his post-match interview after his loss to Hewitt at Indian Wels and there is no doubt that Goldfine et al had clearly instructed him to stop going for early winners, remain more patient and stay in the point. he admits clearly that this was the plan. in other words, he had the right words in his head -- but he couldn't stick to the plan.

bec he seems to WANT to however, i concluded that his problem is one of attention and focus. ADHD as it were. it's time to stop blaming his handlers :o

Roger-No.1
03-26-2005, 08:15 AM
bloody hell...i bet 500 vcash on roddick
And some friends were going to bet.......

Verdasco is always difficult for Roddick

foul_dwimmerlaik
03-26-2005, 09:31 AM
He said he'll be fine in days. I said if the "injury" was serious, I would apologize.

But if...

"It was unclear when the injury occurred, but it may have been when Roddick lost his temper after double-faulting on the final point of the first set. He angrily launched a ball into the second deck of the stadium, then broke his racket by slamming it to the hardcourt."

... is true, he brought it on himself. :shrug:I thought you said he retired because he was afraid to lose? What a punk you are.

Get well soon Andy.

euroka1
03-26-2005, 10:08 AM
but he couldn't stick to the plan.

bec he seems to WANT to however, i concluded that his problem is one of attention and focus. ADHD as it were. it's time to stop blaming his handlers :


This would not surprise me either for a number of other reasons as well. A lot of us have these psychological quirks that are mostly manageable and contribute to both our successes and our failures in life.

Action Jackson
03-26-2005, 10:17 AM
I am not going to comment on whether he is injured or not, but lets say since he is playing at home on his favourite surface the likelihood of him defaulting without an injury isn't very high.

It must be heartbreaking that he missed out on the 5th Slam and maybe he can return to the greatest clay tournament of all time in Houston.

Time to be serious, hopefully his wrist problem isn't too serious and that he is back playing as soon as.

WyveN
03-26-2005, 11:25 AM
read his post-match interview after his loss to Hewitt at Indian Wels and there is no doubt that Goldfine et al had clearly instructed him to stop going for early winners, remain more patient and stay in the point. he admits clearly that this was the plan. in other words, he had the right words in his head -- but he couldn't stick to the plan.


but he did stick to the plan, thats why the match was close instead of the thrashing he got in Houston and the 4th set in AO.

Paialii
03-26-2005, 02:11 PM
Ugh.

Apparently wrist injuries are contagious.. guess who tweaked something in their wrist this morning at practice? :sad:

Jogy
03-26-2005, 02:20 PM
And I know people will attack me for this, but I think that Roddick retired from iknowimgoingtoloseanywayitis.
Hey Beckfan, I hope Beck will be injures soon so that I can say the same about Beck!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

I will be come back to you on ocassion!

Pea
03-26-2005, 02:23 PM
Congrats Fernando!:cool:

World Beater
03-26-2005, 02:26 PM
Ugh.

Apparently wrist injuries are contagious.. guess who tweaked something in their wrist this morning at practice? :sad:

I need some help, here!

Neely
03-26-2005, 02:30 PM
I really pity the people who are so filled with hate that they take happiness from someone else's pain. If it were anyone but Andy, and people said some of these things, there would be new threads created and outcries to ban those people. But whatever, it's semi-amusing.
Exactly, I agree with you. But stop making sense or you might get banned! ;)

Action Jackson
03-26-2005, 02:32 PM
Too bad for Verdasco, there'll always be a question mark over this victory sadly because of the default.

~EMiLiTA~
03-26-2005, 02:32 PM
great for Nando...sad for Andy...and now Nando has to play Rafa :banghead: oh well...at least he had a bit of luck against Andy...that was pretty tough getting him in the second round for 2 consecutive tournaments...

Jogy
03-26-2005, 02:34 PM
BTW, I agree that nothing should taken away from Verdasco. It not his error that Roddick injured.

euroka1
03-26-2005, 02:34 PM
Ugh.

Apparently wrist injuries are contagious.. guess who tweaked something in their wrist this morning at practice? :sad:

Try smashing the racquet!

euroka1
03-26-2005, 02:45 PM
[/QUOTE]

Q. Why do you think it is that in the last two matches you've given him so many problems? Is it something, do you think, especially in your game that upsets the way he wants to play?

FERNANDO VERDASCO: I don't know. I didn't ask to him this, no. But I think, like, I am left‑handed. For him is more difficult to play, no, because when he play the backhand cross to my forehand, then I have all the time, you know. I can play another time to his backhand or hit one, one forehand, to him, you know, his forehand, with more power, and then he goes running and I have always the time to dominate the point.

I think in the baseline, after the serve ‑‑ but if he serve good, it's not impossible but so, so difficult to return the serve. But when I play in the baseline, then I think like I have more chances to win the points like him.[/QUOTE]

To me this was more revealing that all of the Roddick press conference. Roddick's problem indeed seems to be in his inability to think out strategy during a point. If the serve fails and he can't wallop a forehand, he's often in trouble.

Action Jackson
03-26-2005, 02:54 PM
To me this was more revealing that all of the Roddick press conference. Roddick's problem indeed seems to be in his inability to think out strategy during a point. If the serve fails and he can't wallop a forehand, he's often in trouble.

That is not exactly a new thing at all and will continue to be a problem, though where he is going next, well he does not have the aptitude to change that.

tennischick
03-26-2005, 04:30 PM
but he did stick to the plan, thats why the match was close instead of the thrashing he got in Houston and the 4th set in AO.
i watched that match and i think he strayed from the plan far too often. he seemed unable to stick to it. in fact his definition of strategy (and this was also evident in the match against Lbj) is to hit a powerful shot and hope that his opponent makes an error.

RoddickBabe10
03-26-2005, 09:03 PM
Ugh.

Apparently wrist injuries are contagious.. guess who tweaked something in their wrist this morning at practice? :sad:

:eek: Who??

Scotso
03-26-2005, 09:06 PM
Hey Beckfan, I hope Beck will be injures soon so that I can say the same about Beck!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

I will be come back to you on ocassion!

Okay, uhm. People jump all over me for suggesting that Roddick retired but wasn't really injured, yet when someone WISHES an injury on someone else, that's perfectly okay with you guys?

MissMoJo
03-26-2005, 09:21 PM
:eek: Who??
I assumed she was referring to herself :shrug:

tennischick
03-27-2005, 04:12 PM
Late breaking news: Ducky's "injury" downgraded to "mild sprain" :shrug:

MRI confirms only mild sprain for Roddick

KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. (AP) — Andy Roddick's right wrist injury is only a mild sprain and he should resume light activity in five days.

Roddick hurt his wrist Friday during his opening match at the Nasdaq-100 Open and retired trailing Fernando Verdasco in the second set. He underwent an MRI exam that confirmed the mild sprain, ATP Tour trainer Doug Spreen said Saturday.

Roddick's next scheduled tournament is at Houston beginning April 18.

Scotso
03-27-2005, 04:18 PM
As I said, it's nothing serious.

Since when do MRI's denote "mild" sprains? In any case.... poor Andy :( out for 5 days. such a serious injury :(

Chloe le Bopper
03-27-2005, 04:20 PM
It could have possibly been a worse sprain had he continued. You never know :)

Scotso
03-27-2005, 04:25 PM
yes.... because after playing 7 games and serving 140mph, etc.... two more games would have just destroyed him. ;)

Chloe le Bopper
03-27-2005, 04:28 PM
With sports injuries, you never know. It's best not to push them.

I get a form of tendonitis in my foot from time to time. I forget what it's properly called at the moment, but I feel it on the ball of my left foot. Regardless, if this occured to me during a tennis match, I'd have to quit. I'd hate to think what people would say about me if I was any good and that happened :angel:

Scotso
03-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Yes, but my point is that he didn't quit right away... he played more than 7 games after "realizing" this injury.

BiancaUL
03-27-2005, 04:51 PM
It would seem likely that he tried to 'tough' it out, but quit after those 7 games because he realized that it was getting worse, perhaps could get much worse, and to try and continue to play wasn't worth risking that.

Deivid23
03-27-2005, 05:39 PM
Don't be silly. I like Verdasco he's got a lot of potential but to say at his best he's a different class to Roddick is just nonsense

Hell, how can anyone say Verdasco has more talent than Roddick!! Just a big non-sense!!! :cuckoo:


PD: Good luck against Nadal, Fer. For me it´s more like who do u want more your mum or your dad? :shrug: . Anyway I want Verdasco to start being stronger mentally and beating his "black beast" Nadal would be another step ahead. Should be a great match to watch between the two best young talents in the world. :yeah:

nkhera1
03-27-2005, 06:18 PM
KarolBeckFan let me try to explain this to you. They played about 20 points in the tiebreaker so we will both assume they served about ten points each. Roddick committed about 3 or 4 double faults on his service games. Now Roddick may not be the best but i'm sure he usually commits about 3 or 4 double faults a match or at worst a set, so how could there not be something bothering him. Yet even though he was getting blown of the court as people here claim, he still had 3 set points which he squandered. I think a few of them were due to his double faults. So what I'm trying to say is that maybe he was injured seriously. How many times have you played with a sprained wrist against a great player. Also if you've ever seen slo-motion video of Roddick's forehand he uses his wrist quite a bit so if its hurting his forehand is not going to be as potent as it can be.


Also as mentioned above a player like Verdesco will give Roddick fits because he is a lefty with a great forehand. Everyone here knows that Roddick can't hit a backhand down the line so he can only hit it crosscourt. Roddick needed to get into rallies with his forehand or improve his backhand, but to do that he may have to change his technique a bit.

Iheartandy&roger
03-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Well this is gonna be a long tourney..... at least Rogi's still in this.

ftd999
03-27-2005, 11:19 PM
Nadal schooled Verdasco 2 and 2. On a hard court. Is this guy Verdasco just an up and down player, does Roddick not match up well with him (because he's a lefty), or is Nadal simply heading straight for the top 5? Or all three? Every time I've seen Nadal in the last six months I've been extremely impressed by his fitness and his fight, he definitely looks like someone heading in a positive direction.

Daniel
03-28-2005, 12:17 AM
Well done Verdasco :banana:

nkhera1
03-28-2005, 12:18 AM
Nadal schooled Verdasco 2 and 2. On a hard court. Is this guy Verdasco just an up and down player, does Roddick not match up well with him (because he's a lefty), or is Nadal simply heading straight for the top 5? Or all three? Every time I've seen Nadal in the last six months I've been extremely impressed by his fitness and his fight, he definitely looks like someone heading in a positive direction.

I think its a little of everything.

If i had to rank them

1. Nadal headed to the top 10
2. Roddick not matching up well and not playing too well
3. Verdasco is up and down

tangerine_dream
03-28-2005, 12:31 AM
Deb, stop making sense. You're confusing the haters. :lol:

Anyhoo, this all doesn't matter. Andy's injury is not as serious as suspected :woohoo: and he was smart to take the precaution and retire rather than risk a worse injury even though all his points went down the drain. And what would be the point of killing yourself to defend 500 pts only to have to sit the rest of the year out, recouperating?

All this nonsense talk of coulda-shoulda-woulda is moot. Verdasco played great and had Andy on the ropes at Pacific Life too and yet Roddick still pulled off a win so it's pointless to talk about who "really" won this match. Roddick retired. Verdasco won. The end.

No real fan of Verdasco wants a win like this (none of the Roddick fans I know were too happy that Coria had to retire in last year's final); you always want to prove yourself and earn it, not have it handed to you. The other 98% in here are the usual obsessed group of Andy's anti-fans who are so desperate to see him down and out that they'll grasp at any straw they can get, no matter how short and hollow.

Take care of that wrist, Andy, and be well for Queen's and Wimbledon. :banana:

nkhera1
03-28-2005, 12:36 AM
Deb, stop making sense. You're confusing the haters. :lol:

Anyhoo, this all doesn't matter. Andy's injury is not as serious as suspected :woohoo: and he was smart to take the precaution and retire rather than risk a worse injury even though all his points went down the drain. And what would be the point of killing yourself to defend 500 pts only to have to sit the rest of the year out, recouperating?

All this nonsense talk of coulda-shoulda-woulda is moot. Verdasco played great and had Andy on the ropes at Pacific Life too and yet Roddick still pulled off a win so it's pointless to talk about who "really" won this match. Roddick retired. Verdasco won. The end.

No real fan of Verdasco wants a win like this (none of the Roddick fans I know were too happy that Coria had to retire in last year's final); you always want to prove yourself and earn it, not have it handed to you. The other 98% in here are the usual obsessed group of Andy's anti-fans who are so desperate to see him down and out that they'll grasp at any straw they can get, no matter how short and hollow.

Take care of that wrist, Andy, and be well for Queen's and Wimbledon. :banana:

Agreed. He squandered 3 set points and had about 3 double faults as well in the tiebreak.

jasmine(usa)
03-28-2005, 12:45 AM
Deb, stop making sense. You're confusing the haters. :lol:

Anyhoo, this all doesn't matter. Andy's injury is not as serious as suspected :woohoo: and he was smart to take the precaution and retire rather than risk a worse injury even though all his points went down the drain. And what would be the point of killing yourself to defend 500 pts only to have to sit the rest of the year out, recouperating?

All this nonsense talk of coulda-shoulda-woulda is moot. Verdasco played great and had Andy on the ropes at Pacific Life too and yet Roddick still pulled off a win so it's pointless to talk about who "really" won this match. Roddick retired. Verdasco won. The end.

No real fan of Verdasco wants a win like this (none of the Roddick fans I know were too happy that Coria had to retire in last year's final); you always want to prove yourself and earn it, not have it handed to you. The other 98% in here are the usual obsessed group of Andy's anti-fans who are so desperate to see him down and out that they'll grasp at any straw they can get, no matter how short and hollow.

Take care of that wrist, Andy, and be well for Queen's and Wimbledon. :banana:Thank you, tangy. I agree.:D

Scotso
03-28-2005, 01:19 AM
Verdasco proved himself and earned it. Anyone saying otherwise is just being defensive.

Re: Nadal spanking Verdasco, as I expected, 2 and 2 (Becca can tell you I called this one ;))... Verdasco has mental troubles playing other Spaniards, and also has problems backing up a good WIN.

euroka1
03-28-2005, 01:25 AM
Take care of that wrist, Andy, and be well for Queen's and Wimbledon.:

....and stop smashing racquets when you get frustrated!

Paialii
03-28-2005, 01:37 AM
....and stop smashing racquets when you get frustrated!

Bah, but he's so cute when he's upset! ;)

euroka1
03-28-2005, 01:56 AM
Can't be good for the wrist, though.

Paialii
03-28-2005, 02:03 AM
The latest I've heard is that in five days he can be playing again. I've cracked too many racquets (cracked one to pieces yesterday morning), but I throw them into the ground rather than slamming them into the ground while holding it.

A reminder why you shouldn't throw (like I do :p) your racquets at the ground... they come back to attack you.

http://cache.wtnphotos.com/545/21238794051myskina.jpg

;)

nkhera1
03-28-2005, 02:08 AM
if he really wanted to he could work on his footwork.

euroka1
03-28-2005, 03:13 AM
I throw them into the ground rather than slamming them into the ground while holding it.

A reminder why you shouldn't throw (like I do :p) your racquets at the ground... they come back to attack you.


;)

Thanks for the advice on technique. Possibly I'll try it myself in one of my uncontrolled moments. But I take warning from the great picture! Cheers.