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Hewitt looked great against Federer

wimbledonfan
03-22-2005, 01:56 PM
Given the fact that he was playing with an injury , and the last 2 sets weren't as easy as the scoreline suggests , I believe Hewitt took some positives from that match . The good news is that he was able to break Rogers serve , and on many occasions took him to distance on his service games . I also think the next time they play eachother , it will be even tighter than this match . If any player is playing in a closely contested match , it is natural for the world # 1 to make some errors , which is what Hewitt needs to do in his next encounter with Roger . Play him tight , try to take a set , and maybe we'll get to hear a c'mon chant from his corner .

What does everyone else think about Hewitts progress ?

Deivid23
03-22-2005, 02:05 PM
Agree, he avoided a bagel.

euroka1
03-22-2005, 02:05 PM
As I've said before, he has guts and does not give in easily.

Fumus
03-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Agree, he avoided a bagel.

haha... :)

Roddick looked great against Hewitt easily could have won that one, Andy is definitly the more talented player of the two but, I didn't make a thread about that..lol...cuz he lost...:o

Hewitt on the other hand wasn't even close to Fed, not only did he not take a set but he couldn't even challenge the world number 1, it was just a controlled beat down. ;)

Yea, but the injured Hewitt looked great losing big... :D

JCF
03-22-2005, 02:14 PM
haha... :)

Roddick looked great against Hewitt easily could have one that one is definitly the most talented player of the two but, I didn't make a thread about that..lol...cuz he lost...:o

Hewitt on the other hand was even close to Fed, not only did he not take a set but he couldn't even challenge the world number 1, it was just a controlled beat down. ;)

Yea, but the injured Hewitt looked great losing big... :D
Roddick is so much more talented than Hewitt, which is exactly why in 7 matches that they've played, he's won 1 ;)

Fumus
03-22-2005, 02:18 PM
Roddick is so much more talented than Hewitt, which is exactly why in 7 matches that they've played, he's won 1 ;)

It's a matchup issue/cofidence issue with Roddick. Remember when Fed was 0-5 against Nalbandian?

Fed is still 2-5 against him, would you say Daveed is the more talented of those two players? :o

FanOfHewitt
03-22-2005, 02:19 PM
Well, Hewitt probably had another gear which he could have shifted into had he been fit, but the problem is, Federer had a couple which he didn't shift into.

Hewitt was never close enough to push Federer to make Roger bring out his best. As such, Federer played well below his best and cruised for most of the match. Doing the minimum of what needed to be done.

If Hewitt had been fit the scores could have been even more one sided for Federer becuase Federer would have been more switched on.

I think Hewitt should continue working on his offense and shot making and try and execute more consistently. He did it to good effect in patches against Roger the other day but he made too many unforced errors to really threaten him.

Fumus
03-22-2005, 02:20 PM
Oh whatever, Hewitt will never challenge Federer again, he doesn't have the fire power, Federer has him figured out...next question please.

Auscon
03-22-2005, 02:22 PM
Roddick is so much more talented than Hewitt, which is exactly why in 7 matches that they've played, he's won 1 ;)

yeah, his level of talent is so much greater than Lleytons......i think he's just afraid to unleash it on Lleyton, them being such good mates and all

Fumus
03-22-2005, 02:29 PM
yeah, his level of talent is so much greater than Lleytons......i think he's just afraid to unleash it on Lleyton, them being such good mates and all

Bad arguement...

Hewitt frustrates Andy, Andy can hit shots Hewitt never will and has more of chance to beat Fed in the future.

Puschkin
03-22-2005, 02:32 PM
The good news is that he was able to break Rogers serve , and on many occasions took him to distance on his service games
That is too low an ambition level for the world's number 2 ;)

Auscon
03-22-2005, 02:34 PM
It's a matchup issue/cofidence issue with Roddick. Remember when Fed was 0-5 against Nalbandian?

Fed is still 2-5 against him, would you say Daveed is the more talented of those two players? :o

But you see, way back in the past, Nalbandian would beat Roger, and now since Roger has hit top gear (and both matches were at the very beginning of his rise), he's accounted for Nalbandian

On the other hand, way back in the past, Lleyton would beat Andy, and now in the present, Lleyton is still beating Andy

If your hoping for Andy to make a killer surge to the peak of mens tennis, stay there, and dominate opponents who have dogged him in the past and continue to do so today, just like Roger did, your going to be one disappointed Fumus

federer_roar
03-22-2005, 02:37 PM
Given the fact that he was playing with an injury , and the last 2 sets weren't as easy as the scoreline suggests , I believe Hewitt took some positives from that match . The good news is that he was able to break Rogers serve , and on many occasions took him to distance on his service games . I also think the next time they play eachother , it will be even tighter than this match . If any player is playing in a closely contested match , it is natural for the world # 1 to make some errors , which is what Hewitt needs to do in his next encounter with Roger . Play him tight , try to take a set , and maybe we'll get to hear a c'mon chant from his corner .

What does everyone else think about Hewitts progress ?

that's so called reverse thinking. :lol:

Domino
03-22-2005, 02:38 PM
Andy looks like he really can't go further. I think he really peaked already. He is putting a lot of effort into expanding his game, but general stupidity prevents him from constructing points well, and that hurts against smarter, more all-around players.

Auscon
03-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Bad arguement...

Hewitt frustrates Andy, Andy can hit shots Hewitt never will and has more of chance to beat Fed in the future.

lol I wasnt aware I was making an argument....

Andy can hit shots faster than Lleyton ever will......whereas Lleyton can hit shots that Andy never will (consistently)

another thing such as court intelligence comes into it...unfortunately for Andy, he just doesnt play the game as smart as Lleyton does. But thats hardly his fault...a guy like Lleyton simply has to have that in spades to succeed at the highest level.

Hewitt_Rules
03-22-2005, 03:08 PM
Rodd**k is more talented than Hewitt? LOL that's a laugh. I think you may want to compare their resumes then see which is the more accomplished.

World Beater
03-22-2005, 03:14 PM
talent and accomplishment are not synonymous

Fumus
03-22-2005, 03:44 PM
talent and accomplishment are not synonymous

You know Thomas Johannson won a slam, is he more talented than Joachim Johannson or my homeboy Nadal?

You can't bring up the record of Hewitt and Roddick say "Hewitt is more talented because he has beat him more".

You know Safin is 1-7 against Fabrice Santoro. Is Santoro more talented? Perhaps will Frabrice make a jump to the top of tennis according to your logic.

There are plenty of records between players that shouldn't be the way they are but they are but that doesn't mean the guy with the better record is the better player, it just means the guy with the better record has the better record....which can change. :D

Out of anyone in the 10 top ten Hewitt makes the most of his game. He has less but maximizes the most. As far as raw ability goes he certainly isn't lacking but compared to the rest of the top ten, he's behind. What shots can he hit that the rest of the players in the top 10 can't? He has no lightening bolt serve, no crushing forehand, no sizzling backhand. He has speed, great court sense, courage and a desire to win. I feel however you need weapons to take down Fed...

Turkeyballs Paco
03-22-2005, 04:21 PM
Hewitt can still develop new weapons. Andy's game looked really good last week, and he too can still make improvements. It just doesn't happen overnight, but I feel that Federer's level is going to force everyone else to raise their game to compete. I think it can be done, just give it time. Roddick and Hewitt are the most likely to keep at it, IMO.

adeegee
03-22-2005, 04:37 PM
Hewitt was never in the match. From the moment Federer broke in the 1st game the result never looked in doubt. Even Hewitt looked like he didn't think he could win the match, and was playing for pride.

Fumus
03-22-2005, 04:48 PM
Hewitt can still develop new weapons. Andy's game looked really good last week, and he too can still make improvements. It just doesn't happen overnight, but I feel that Federer's level is going to force everyone else to raise their game to compete. I think it can be done, just give it time. Roddick and Hewitt are the most likely to keep at it, IMO.

Great Post! :)

Fumus
03-22-2005, 04:49 PM
Hewitt was never in the match. From the moment Federer broke in the 1st game the result never looked in doubt. Even Hewitt looked like he didn't think he could win the match, and was playing for pride.


I think Hewitt enjoys the challenge and he was playing to win otherwise he wouldn't be out there. He just couldn't get fired up about anything except for the point of the match...the 45 hit rally.... :eek:

adeegee
03-22-2005, 05:11 PM
I think Hewitt enjoys the challenge and he was playing to win otherwise he wouldn't be out there. He just couldn't get fired up about anything except for the point of the match...the 45 hit rally.... :eek:

point of the year!

but how many c'moooooooooooons did you hear? and how often did you see the fist to the head thing he always does? i know he didn't have too many chances to but i thought his body language looked like he was resigned to losing right from the start

Fumus
03-22-2005, 05:21 PM
point of the year!

but how many c'moooooooooooons did you hear? and how often did you see the fist to the head thing he always does? i know he didn't have too many chances to but i thought his body language looked like he was resigned to losing right from the start

C'mon Rock! Yea, people might think I don't like Lleyton after my posts about him but it's not true. It's just I would rather see Andy go to a final against Fed because I feel like he could be more compition(plus Andy's my favorite, but if I really thought Hewitt had a better chance and he was the better player I would want him to go to the final).

I know other posters are going to chew me out for that and bring up Andy's record with Roger (but aside from when Andy was injured in Bankok) he won't get bagled by Roger and he wont get double broked. Andy atleast has a punchers chance, if he comes in hot, hits the lines he could sqeak a win out. Hewitt just doesn't play that way.

Bilbo
03-22-2005, 05:26 PM
haha... :)

Roddick looked great against Hewitt easily could have won that one, Andy is definitly the more talented player of the two but, I didn't make a thread about that..lol...cuz he lost...:o

Hewitt on the other hand wasn't even close to Fed, not only did he not take a set but he couldn't even challenge the world number 1, it was just a controlled beat down. ;)

Yea, but the injured Hewitt looked great losing big... :D

You are an idiot and should learn more about tennis if you think so :rolleyes:

Hewitt has achieved more in his career than Roddick will ever do. Roddick is all about serve. If that's a talented player for you good night.

adeegee
03-22-2005, 05:27 PM
I actually agree with you 100% Fumus. Despite Andy's head to head against Roger I still think he's a lot more likely to trouble an on form Federer than Hewitt is. Hewitt just doesn't have the weapons which can trouble Federer when he's playing like this, getting the ball back into play just isn't enough. Andy on the other hand is very tough to beat when he's serving well and confident. Take the Wimbledon Final 04 for example, I still think if it hadn't rained that day Andy would've beaten Roger. He truly had him rattled, he was serving well and his forehand was huge, but after the rain delay he seemed to hold back a bit.

Fumus
03-22-2005, 05:29 PM
I actually agree with you 100% Fumus. Despite Andy's head to head against Roger I still think he's a lot more likely to trouble an on form Federer than Hewitt is. Hewitt just doesn't have the weapons which can trouble Federer when he's playing like this, getting the ball back into play just isn't enough. Andy on the other hand is very tough to beat when he's serving well and confident. Take the Wimbledon Final 04 for example, I still think if it hadn't rained that day Andy would've beaten Roger. He truly had him rattled, he was serving well and his forehand was huge, but after the rain delay he seemed to hold back a bit.

Yea, that post is rep worthy, I have made the same exact post about a thousand times. :) I guess, I am not the only idiot. :o

Fumus
03-22-2005, 05:35 PM
You are an idiot and should learn more about tennis if you think so :rolleyes:

Hewitt has achieved more in his career than Roddick will ever do. Roddick is all about serve. If that's a talented player for you good night.


Your right, you know Andy is just all serve. It's a good thing the ATP allows him to serve every game, other wise he wouldn't win any matches. Ground strokes, movement, Andy has none of these, when someone returns his serve he has no answers...golly gosh it's so clear to me now. :D

Right yea, ending the year number 1, 24 career titles and two slams...Andy will never do that... :rolleyes:

Rogiman
03-22-2005, 05:57 PM
You know Thomas Johannson won a slam, is he more talented than Joachim Johannson or my homeboy Nadal?

You can't bring up the record of Hewitt and Roddick say "Hewitt is more talented because he has beat him more".

You know Safin is 1-7 against Fabrice Santoro. Is Santoro more talented? Perhaps will Frabrice make a jump to the top of tennis according to your logic.

There are plenty of records between players that shouldn't be the way they are but they are but that doesn't mean the guy with the better record is the better player, it just means the guy with the better record has the better record....which can change. :D

Out of anyone in the 10 top ten Hewitt makes the most of his game. He has less but maximizes the most. As far as raw ability goes he certainly isn't lacking but compared to the rest of the top ten, he's behind. What shots can he hit that the rest of the players in the top 10 can't? He has no lightening bolt serve, no crushing forehand, no sizzling backhand. He has speed, great court sense, courage and a desire to win. I feel however you need weapons to take down Fed...

(1) Please define talent

(2) Why, based on your definition, is Roddick more talented than Hewitt?
Also - why in your opinion aren't Lleyton's qualities part of his talent?

(3) Aren't grown-up people measured by what they have achieved, not by what they could have achieved but haven't?

Fumus
03-22-2005, 06:18 PM
1- don't ask stupid questions, that I have infact already answered in previous posts in this thread.

2- Read my post I already explained that shit...(i.e. punchers chance etc.)

3- No...read the other posts. (i.e. is Thomas Johannson more talented then Joachim, Nadal, Henman etc. because he won a slam)

mangoes
03-22-2005, 06:22 PM
haha... :)

Roddick looked great against Hewitt easily could have won that one, Andy is definitly the more talented player of the two but, I didn't make a thread about that..lol...cuz he lost...:o

Hewitt on the other hand wasn't even close to Fed, not only did he not take a set but he couldn't even challenge the world number 1, it was just a controlled beat down. ;)

Yea, but the injured Hewitt looked great losing big... :D


I like Andy, but he isn't more talented than Hewitt.

Fumus
03-22-2005, 06:24 PM
Ok...I said my piece and perhaps I even stayed too long in this thread, I posted what I thought..here come the trolls...:bolt:

Rogiman
03-22-2005, 06:35 PM
1- don't ask stupid questions, that I have infact already answered in previous posts in this thread.

2- Read my post I already explained that shit...(i.e. punchers chance etc.)

3- No...read the other posts. (i.e. is Thomas Johannson more talented then Joachim, Nadal, Henman etc. because he won a slam)

I don't find your explanation adequate then.
Certain questions aren't 'stupid' just because you're not capable of answering them properly.

Is Johanson really a good example here?
Hewitt has won two Slams and made it to the final of two others, he also won plenty of titles and is a permanent member in the later stages of every significant tournament (yes, even those played on clay), so based on his achievements I think you can definitely make a case for him being more talented than Roddick, because he's not a fluky Grand Slam champion like Johanson.

That habit of making up for your fav. player's shortcomings by telling yourself he's not made the most of his *talent* is utterly childish.
Ivan Lendl is one of the game's greatest achievers ever, and often fans and players alike were talking about his lack of talent.
So they talked, and remained losers, while he became an all time great, because tennis skills aside - he had the talent to compete in a way no one could, and that's also evident in Hewitt, who's a far better competitor than Roddick will ever be and that's his talent just like Roddick's ugly service motion is his.

World Beater
03-22-2005, 06:39 PM
Talent is meaningless unless its developed, and saying that Roddick is more talented than Hewitt has value only in words. Roddick doesnt need to be more talented to beat hewitt and federer, he needs to get a lot smarter and much more tactically astute. For a guy who seems to know a lot about strategy(my impression of him in interviews), it is appaling to see him rush the net when he is helpless out there.

Roddick plays with emotion, and not with brains. How many times in that Hewitt match, did roddick have him on the defensive, yet could not finish the point off. Kudos to Hewitt for playing his game, but when you can hit a 140 mph serve, its alarming to see Roddick not be able to hit winners of his best side. When roddick was asked what skill he desired most in roger, he said it was his "court sense" or court intelligence.

Nalbandian and Coria are excellent examples of guys who are very tactically astute. Of course, Roger is just as smart and has great talent to back it up.

World Beater
03-22-2005, 06:47 PM
Sorry Rogiman, I was writing my post before I saw yours. But you summed it up quite well. A few points though:

Johansson is a very bad example. The guy got injured and hasnt been able to return to the top successfully. So saying he is a fluky grand slam champion is a little unfair. Was his win unexpected, yes of course. But fluky, I am not so sure.\

Hewitt is also an all-surface player in comparison to Roddick. This should account for some talent, no Fumus?

Hewitt also has a far more developed net game than Roddick and has won doubles titles.

Summary

Fh Roddick
bh Hewitt
Movement Hewitt
Net play : Hewitt
Serve : Roddick
Return: Hewitt
Power: Roddick

Roddick can keep up with hewitt because on his day he can blow him off the court. But on any other day, Hewitt will always win.

Seleshfan
03-22-2005, 08:21 PM
Mental Tenacity: Hewitt
Looks: Tie
Ass: Roddick

wimbledonfan
03-22-2005, 11:11 PM
What I was impressed with hewitts game was that he was playing a little more offensively and going for his shots rather than playing his usuall conservative style . The only problem is , during times in the match he would hit unforced errors because he was playing outside his comfort zone . In due time , once he can limit those unforced errors , I think he has a chance at competing with Roger on an equal playing field and could be the rivalry tennis needs .

Another point I wanted to make , was how Hewitt was utilizing the slice shot and mixing up his game which was lacking in his us open match final . A few things , I think he needs to do is to attack Rogers second serve like he was doing in the third set , mixing up his game by hitting short balls and long balls within the same rally and not letting Roger get comfortable with a certain shot .

FanOfHewitt
03-23-2005, 01:38 AM
What I was impressed with hewitts game was that he was playing a little more offensively and going for his shots rather than playing his usuall conservative style . The only problem is , during times in the match he would hit unforced errors because he was playing outside his comfort zone . In due time , once he can limit those unforced errors , I think he has a chance at competing with Roger on an equal playing field and could be the rivalry tennis needs .

Another point I wanted to make , was how Hewitt was utilizing the slice shot and mixing up his game which was lacking in his us open match final . A few things , I think he needs to do is to attack Rogers second serve like he was doing in the third set , mixing up his game by hitting short balls and long balls within the same rally and not letting Roger get comfortable with a certain shot .

Good points wfan.

It will be hard to do but trying to get consistency whilst going for his shots is definitely what Hewitt has to work on to be competitive against Roger.

I Agree about the slice shot. He still stuffed up on it sometimes but he used it much better than he has in previous matches agaisnt Roger and it worked for him quite well.

Another adjustment Hewitt seemed to make was that he was standing to recieve Roger's serve much closer to the baseline than he had in previous matches. Although he was going for some rediculous shots when recieving and didn't make the most of the fact that he was getting his racquet to the ball, he did manage to put some pressure on Roger's serve by being in a better position to hit his second shot in the rally rather than being dragged way off the court the way he would if he was recieving from far behind the baseline.

Roger-No.1
03-23-2005, 02:35 AM
The time of the match (12 pm in California) was important too

Auscon
03-23-2005, 03:59 AM
What I was impressed with hewitts game was that he was playing a little more offensively and going for his shots rather than playing his usuall conservative style . The only problem is , during times in the match he would hit unforced errors because he was playing outside his comfort zone . In due time , once he can limit those unforced errors , I think he has a chance at competing with Roger on an equal playing field and could be the rivalry tennis needs .


With his toes as they were, he pretty much had to go for his shots more, try and end points a little more quickly

I agree though, he has to do that to have a chance of really competing with Roger....the thing to watch out for is that he doesnt change the fundamentals of his game in order to compete with Roger, to the point that it effects the way he plays against the rest of the field, whom his game is already well suited to win against

mitalidas
03-23-2005, 11:47 PM
It's a matchup issue/cofidence issue with Roddick. Remember when Fed was 0-5 against Nalbandian?

Fed is still 2-5 against him, would you say Daveed is the more talented of those two players? :o

they've played once since Roger got on form after his breakthrough Wimby 03
the contrast in styles is why daveed won-- similar to why hewitt won most against Fed earlier on
But Fed makes a habit of figuring everyone out . where is daveed these days anyways?

jacobhiggins
03-24-2005, 06:01 AM
The reason why Hewitt made some what of a comeback on that last set, was because he had nothing to lose. He was smashing the ball and since he probablly knew he was on his way to losing the match, it did not bother him that much. He was playing some very gutsy tennis but when your that far behind, in a way, you can hit some incredible shots because you have no pressure on yourself. If Hewitt were to ever beat Federer, Federer will have to have an off day and Hewitt will have to blast the ball and play almost flawlessly, it's possible, very very unlikely though.

Hagar
03-24-2005, 01:55 PM
The reason why Hewitt made some what of a comeback on that last set, was because he had nothing to lose. He was smashing the ball and since he probablly knew he was on his way to losing the match, it did not bother him that much. He was playing some very gutsy tennis but when your that far behind, in a way, you can hit some incredible shots because you have no pressure on yourself. If Hewitt were to ever beat Federer, Federer will have to have an off day and Hewitt will have to blast the ball and play almost flawlessly, it's possible, very very unlikely though.

The good thing is that we can be sure Lleyton will keep trying to find a way to beat Roger.

Experimentee
03-25-2005, 01:58 PM
I've seen a few matches where Hewitt was healthy, looked good and didnt do much wrong, yet still didnt have a chance against Federer. Most he can get is a set when Fed goes off the boil.

euroka1
03-25-2005, 10:30 PM
With his toes as they were, he pretty much had to go for his shots more, try and end points a little more quickly


One has to give credit to Hewitt for at least playing through to the end. He has lots of guts.

euroka1
03-25-2005, 11:59 PM
Me again. Well, it certainly took Hewitt a while to finish that fantastic 45 shot rally at Indian Wells. I have just found it at http://www.atptennis.com/en/ where you can view it or download it. I'll be watching it many times. That's really classy tennis.

Levo.
03-26-2005, 12:52 AM
I loved watching Hewitt vs Roddick. Roddick has huge firepower, but Hewitt handled it easily. He hit winners off rocket forehands most other players could only dream of getting a racket to. The main way Roddick kept it so close was his insane amount of aces. 25.. that's one whole set worth.

euroka1
03-26-2005, 01:01 AM
I loved watching Hewitt vs Roddick. Roddick has huge firepower, but Hewitt handled it easily. He hit winners off rocket forehands most other players could only dream of getting a racket to. The main way Roddick kept it so close was his insane amount of aces. 25.. that's one whole set worth.

Yes, 25 aces. Fine, but in themselves uninteresting to watch after a while compared, say, to that 45 shot rally with Federer.