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LMAO @ Ducky's Miami Draw

Asmus
03-22-2005, 03:33 AM
R64: Verdasco (who should be wanting revenge and probably has a better handle on Anny's serve than two weeks ago)
R32: Nadal (who is fresh and rested as well as confident after winning two titles and doing a hell of a lot better job against Hewitt in Melbourne)
R16: Ljubicic (who personally hates Ducky and is still revelling in his win over him in Davis Cup)
QF: Moya (the idea of losing to Ducky two events in a row might actually galvanize Carlos "I'm a lova, not a fighta" Moya to put up a fight)
SF: Safin (if Marat makes it this far, he will be deadly)
F: Federer (Jon Wertheim claims that Ducky is due for a win over Roger. I say that there is no limit to the number of times Roger will kick his @$$)

It's going to be a fun title defense...

bad gambler
03-22-2005, 03:35 AM
he should win them all except for the final.....

RickDaStick
03-22-2005, 03:36 AM
he should win them all except for the final.....

I disagree, I can see him losing to any of those guys. I doubt he will make the finals but if he does then its very deserved.

Scotso
03-22-2005, 03:38 AM
The Spanish boys will work him over. Even if Fernando can't win, he'll try to tire Andy out as much as possible so that Rafa can finish him off. :angel:

Rosa Luxembourg
03-22-2005, 03:44 AM
he should win them all except for the final.....


shouldda wouldda couldda ;)

liptea
03-22-2005, 03:47 AM
R64: Verdasco (who should be wanting revenge and probably has a better handle on Anny's serve than two weeks ago)
R32: Nadal (who is fresh and rested as well as confident after winning two titles and doing a hell of a lot better job against Hewitt in Melbourne)
R16: Ljubicic (who personally hates Ducky and is still revelling in his win over him in Davis Cup)
QF: Moya (the idea of losing to Ducky two events in a row might actually galvanize Carlos "I'm a lova, not a fighta" Moya to put up a fight)
SF: Safin (if Marat makes it this far, he will be deadly)
F: Federer (Jon Wertheim claims that Ducky is due for a win over Roger. I say that there is no limit to the number of times Roger will kick his @$$)

It's going to be a fun title defense...


Holy moly. What was the point of such a mean post?

1. His name is not Anny.
2. Carlos did put up a fight. I'm just sorry you missed the first set. Can we all stop assuming that Carlos Moya is the worst player to ever hit the Top Ten? Two years ago, he was in the final of this tournament. Last year, he almost beat Andy, when Roddick hit an amazing pass and got inspired. Reaching a Masters final is nothing to be ashamed about.
3. Safin is a streaky player. When he's on, he's pretty awesome. Otherwise his mental fortitude is questionable. Marat's just as likely to lose in round two as he is to destroy Andy.
4. The last time Nadal and Andy played on American hardcourts, Andy had homecourt advantage (just like Miami), was on his favorite surface(just like Miami), and fed Rafa a bagel.
5. Andy has a 50% chance of beating Roger. EDIT- THIS IS A JOKE BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO BE VERY OPTIMISTIC FOR ANDY.

Seriously. :rolleyes: What was the point of devoting a whole thread to dissect Andy's dismal chances at getting out of Round One on his favorite surface in front of his own country with ranking points at stake?

RickDaStick
03-22-2005, 03:49 AM
Holy moly. What was the point of such a mean post?

1. His name is not Anny.
2. Carlos did put up a fight. I'm just sorry you missed the first set.
3. Safin is a streaky player. When he's on, he's pretty awesome. Otherwise his mental fortitude is questionable.
4. The last time Nadal and Andy played on American hardcourts, Andy had homecourt advantage, was on his favorite surface, and fed Rafa a bagel.
5. Andy has a 50% chance of beating Roger.

Seriously. :rolleyes: What was the point of devoting a whole thread to dissect Andy's dismal chances at getting out of Round One on his favorite surface in front of his own country with ranking points at stake?

50% chance? Why dont you have a look at their head to head record.

liptea
03-22-2005, 03:49 AM
50% chance? Why dont you have a look at their head to head record.

um. Roger can either win or lose. That's basic probability.

RickDaStick
03-22-2005, 03:50 AM
um. Roger can either win or lose. That's basic probability.

So you are saying if I played vs Roger i would have a 50% chance?

liptea
03-22-2005, 03:54 AM
So you are saying if I played vs Roger i would have a 50% chance?

Yes. You can either win or lose. Theoretically.

RickDaStick
03-22-2005, 03:55 AM
Yes. You can either win or lose. Theoretically.

Well yes both Andy and I could i guess theoretically win or lose but that doesnt mean we have a 50% chance in winning. Id say mine is .00000% and Andys is .000001%

tangerine_dream
03-22-2005, 03:55 AM
Holy moly. What was the point of such a mean post?
.....Seriously. :rolleyes: What was the point of devoting a whole thread to dissect Andy's dismal chances at getting out of Round One on his favorite surface in front of his own country with ranking points at stake?

Liptea, you know that GM just wouldn't be the same if the antifans didn't have Andy to obsessively talk about. Tennis would be so boring without him. :)

Besides, if you think this spate of New Trolls on the Block is bad now just wait till Nasdaq is over with. BAN Party! :banana:

kabuki
03-22-2005, 03:58 AM
Ahhh, the wonders of the American educational system.

liptea
03-22-2005, 03:59 AM
Well yes both Andy and I could i guess theoretically win or lose but that doesnt mean we have a 50% chance in winning. Id say mine is .00000% and Andys is .000001%

OK. If there are two outcomes, the chances of one of them happening is 50%. That's all I meant thanks. You're overcomplicating it.

Please stop devoting whole threads just to hate on Andy Roddick. If his draw makes you laugh your ass off, you should be devoting time to reattaching it.

Becarina
03-22-2005, 04:03 AM
Funny...I think Andy is going to win the tourney....the only one who might give him trouble would be Safin. ;)

Scotso
03-22-2005, 04:04 AM
Well yes both Andy and I could i guess theoretically win or lose but that doesnt mean we have a 50% chance in winning. Id say mine is .00000% and Andys is .000001%

Give yourself more credit. Roger could spontaneously combust, and thus be forced to default from the match.

.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% at least.

croat123
03-22-2005, 04:05 AM
OK. If there are two outcomes, the chances of one of them happening is 50%. That's all I meant thanks. You're overcomplicating it.

Please stop devoting whole threads just to hate on Andy Roddick. If his draw makes you laugh your ass off, you should be devoting time to reattaching it.
there are outside factors that have and effect on the two possible outcomes. your logic is flawed :retard:

Chloe le Bopper
03-22-2005, 04:07 AM
I would be surprised if Nadal mounted a serious challenge here :shrug:

bad gambler
03-22-2005, 04:10 AM
no nadal will be blown away

c'mon andrew :D

liptea
03-22-2005, 04:10 AM
there are outside factors that have and effect on the two possible outcomes. your logic is flawed :retard:

Right. But all I meant was that, regardless of what happened anywhere in the whole world, Federer could win or lose. It wasn't meant to be a statistics class. I'll remove the offending statement if you like. :rolleyes:

sigmagirl91
03-22-2005, 04:14 AM
:haha: :haha: @ this whole thread.

liptea
03-22-2005, 04:16 AM
Give yourself more credit. Roger could spontaneously combust, and thus be forced to default from the match.

.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% at least.

So I know that image shouldn't be funny, but if you imagine Roger Federer spontangeously combusting, it will give you laughter for a few seconds.

tennischick
03-22-2005, 04:43 AM
goooooooo Verdasco. crush him in the first round. you put up a better fight than Moya :rolleyes:

~EMiLiTA~
03-22-2005, 04:44 AM
I don't actually see what's so bad about Andy's draw either...I personally think he will go quite far...and I'm a Spaniard supporter...

bad gambler
03-22-2005, 04:46 AM
goooooooo Verdasco. crush him in the first round. you put up a better fight than Moya :rolleyes:


you make the dangerous assumption that moya gets that far into the draw!

Experimentee
03-22-2005, 04:46 AM
I dont think Marat will get to the semis considering his recent form. Moya is inconsistent and probably wont make it either. Nadal isnt going to beat Roddick on hardcourts either, he even took 4 sets to beat him on clay last time. Only Ljubicic is a legitimate threat there. Lets see if he can meet Roger for the 4th tournament in a row.

tennischick
03-22-2005, 04:47 AM
you make the dangerous assumption that moya gets that far into the draw!
i don't. that's why i'm hoping that Verdasco will do the job. :D

bad gambler
03-22-2005, 04:51 AM
i heard the nightlife in miami has declined in recent years so am expecting safin to win this tournament ;)

tennischick
03-22-2005, 04:53 AM
i heard the nightlife in miami has declined in recent years so am expecting safin to win this tournament ;)
not enuf babes to distract him :lol:

darnyelb
03-22-2005, 04:53 AM
I still think Andy will make the final.

Ljubicic's played a lot of tennis and might feel a little burnt out.

Verdasco will not be a problem this time.

Roddick can beat Nadal in 3 sets.

Moya/Safin might not even live up to their seedings, but even then Moya should be an easier win this time. And I feel Roddick would edge out Safin in the semis.

But it'd be a sweet ass win for him if he won the tournament. Nadal/Moya/Federer/Ljubicic were his biggest nightmares of the past year after all.

~EMiLiTA~
03-22-2005, 05:02 AM
i heard the nightlife in miami has declined in recent years so am expecting safin to win this tournament ;)

:lol:

u never know with Marat... :rolleyes:

World Beater
03-22-2005, 07:00 AM
Right. But all I meant was that, regardless of what happened anywhere in the whole world, Federer could win or lose. It wasn't meant to be a statistics class. I'll remove the offending statement if you like. :rolleyes:

Are you telling me that playing federer is like flipping a coin?

If that were the case, he should be theoretically losing half the time. Over a large sample population, theory matches experiment. You are saying by the time roger is done w/ his career he will have an approx .500 record. :scratch:

Pete had a 50 % chance in winning, according to you he should have won only 50 % of his matches over his career.

I think you may be over simplifying it. If I played Roger today, I guarantee you I wouldnt have a 50 % chance of winning. Why?

On every single shot I hit, Roger Federer would have at least a 95 % chance of hitting it better. Over the course of the match, one can do the math and find that Roger would probably have a greater than 50 % chance of winning.

MariaV
03-22-2005, 09:34 AM
i heard the nightlife in miami has declined in recent years so am expecting safin to win this tournament ;)

Oooh, bg! :scared: :lol:

Auscon
03-22-2005, 09:38 AM
he should still get to the final

Arcadion
03-22-2005, 09:40 AM
And the hatred continues...

Arcadion
03-22-2005, 09:41 AM
And what kind of player hates another? Don't see Andy hating anyone.

David Kenzie
03-22-2005, 09:42 AM
OK. If there are two outcomes, the chances of one of them happening is 50%. That's all I meant thanks. You're overcomplicating it.

You're funny :D

OK so if I understand, There is a 50% chance of a meteorite destroying the planet tomorrow. Because there are two outcomes (either it will or it won't).

Cervantes
03-22-2005, 10:29 AM
R64: Verdasco (who should be wanting revenge and probably has a better handle on Anny's serve than two weeks ago)
R32: Nadal (who is fresh and rested as well as confident after winning two titles and doing a hell of a lot better job against Hewitt in Melbourne)
R16: Ljubicic (who personally hates Ducky and is still revelling in his win over him in Davis Cup)
QF: Moya (the idea of losing to Ducky two events in a row might actually galvanize Carlos "I'm a lova, not a fighta" Moya to put up a fight)
SF: Safin (if Marat makes it this far, he will be deadly)
F: Federer (Jon Wertheim claims that Ducky is due for a win over Roger. I say that there is no limit to the number of times Roger will kick his @$$)

It's going to be a fun title defense...

R64: Verdasco hasn't beaten Wessels yet and I think Andy will play better than he did two weeks ago.
R32: US Open anyone? Should be pretty easy for Andy.
R16: Difficult, but it's not like Ljubi is unbeatable. 60-40 to the Duck.
QF: I doubt Moya will get this far, but Andy is 4-0 on hardcourt against him anyway.
SF: Safin, Roddick won last 3 meetings and like you said if Marat makes it this far.
F: game over for Andy if he meets Roger, but Roger might loose early on after playing a lot the last month.

Cervantes
03-22-2005, 10:34 AM
But it'd be a sweet ass win for him if he won the tournament. Nadal/Moya/Federer/Ljubicic were his biggest nightmares of the past year after all.

And that irritating fella named Hewitt? I'd say he's Andy worst nightmare as of late, losing big ones in Houston, Melbourne and Indian Wells.

Ferrero Forever
03-22-2005, 10:36 AM
my thoughts on this
Verdasco-he's bludy good, i really hope he wins, but i can't see it happening
Nadal- that i can see happening, he pushed hewitt to the limits on hardcourt, why can't he do the same to roddick
Ljubicic-dunno enough about him to form an opinion
Moya-can't really see moya winning, even though it would be nice, like everyone else i doubt he'll get that far (i really have faith in my faves don't i)
Safin- depends how he's playing
Federer- roddick will lose

RogerRocks
03-22-2005, 10:36 AM
The Spanish boys will work him over. Even if Fernando can't win, he'll try to tire Andy out as much as possible so that Rafa can finish him off. :angel:

yeah spanish team work :drool:

Ferrero Forever
03-22-2005, 10:37 AM
And that irritating fella named Hewitt? I'd say he's Andy worst nightmare as of late, losing big ones in Houston, Melbourne and Indian Wells.
i really can't wait until andy beats him, shows hewitt that there are other players out there capable of beating him.

garylanders
03-22-2005, 11:00 AM
Are you telling me that playing federer is like flipping a coin?

If that were the case, he should be theoretically losing half the time. Over a large sample population, theory matches experiment. You are saying by the time roger is done w/ his career he will have an approx .500 record. :scratch:

Pete had a 50 % chance in winning, according to you he should have won only 50 % of his matches over his career.

I think you may be over simplifying it. If I played Roger today, I guarantee you I wouldnt have a 50 % chance of winning. Why?

On every single shot I hit, Roger Federer would have at least a 95 % chance of hitting it better. Over the course of the match, one can do the math and find that Roger would probably have a greater than 50 % chance of winning.

Amen to that

Gonzo Hates Me!
03-22-2005, 11:19 AM
Bad Gambler, lol!!

Hey, just for all the nincampoops to know, Andy will take Miami!!!!! And he will beat Roger Federer too! He is not AS hopeless as Lleyton Hewitt. GO RODDICK!

Deivid23
03-22-2005, 11:41 AM
Winning the title after this draw sounds like highly unlikely to my eyes. I would even be surprised if Roddick reaches the finals, honestly.

liptea
03-22-2005, 12:01 PM
I think you may be over simplifying it.



That was the whole point. :sad: I was just trying to be optimistic for Andy. ok. :hug:

graffiti
03-22-2005, 12:02 PM
i heard the nightlife in miami has declined in recent years so am expecting safin to win this tournament ;)


:lol:
Maybe he is strongly determined to change it this year ;)

liptea
03-22-2005, 12:04 PM
:lol:
Maybe he is strongly determined to change it this year ;)

Carlos Moya has a house in Miami. Marat could stay there and they could restructure the Miami nightlife together.

graffiti
03-22-2005, 12:37 PM
Carlos Moya has a house in Miami. Marat could stay there and they could restructure the Miami nightlife together.

Well, in that case Carlos wouldn't be much of a help since he obviously hasn't done much in restructuring it anyway ;)

World Beater
03-22-2005, 03:26 PM
That was the whole point. :sad: I was just trying to be optimistic for Andy. ok. :hug:

Oh, sorry. I understand why you said what you did. :hug: :)

NATAS81
03-22-2005, 04:59 PM
R64: Verdasco (who should be wanting revenge and probably has a better handle on Anny's serve than two weeks ago)
R32: Nadal (who is fresh and rested as well as confident after winning two titles and doing a hell of a lot better job against Hewitt in Melbourne)
R16: Ljubicic (who personally hates Ducky and is still revelling in his win over him in Davis Cup)
QF: Moya (the idea of losing to Ducky two events in a row might actually galvanize Carlos "I'm a lova, not a fighta" Moya to put up a fight)
SF: Safin (if Marat makes it this far, he will be deadly)
F: Federer (Jon Wertheim claims that Ducky is due for a win over Roger. I say that there is no limit to the number of times Roger will kick his @$$)

It's going to be a fun title defense...

It will be interesting for sure. I think A-Rod has stepped it up in the past couple weeks and just needs to get his serve in. He can win enough receiving points with his NEW patented short swing volley.

But you can't count on Moya or Safin making it that far. Safin for one with the mind issues, and Moya got lucky breaks versus A-Rod but also has the potential to fold early on hardcourts.

I can't tell you much about Nadal other than he will be hungry and that would be an energetic R of 32 for sure!

But, regardless of who Andy plays, I can't see him bowing out in two rounds or less. His game has picked up so much since AO IMO. :yeah:

Black Adam
03-22-2005, 05:12 PM
It will be interesting for sure. I think A-Rod has stepped it up in the past couple weeks and just needs to get his serve in. He can win enough receiving points with his NEW patented short swing volley.

But you can't count on Moya or Safin making it that far. Safin for one with the mind issues, and Moya got lucky breaks versus A-Rod but also has the potential to fold early on hardcourts.

I can't tell you much about Nadal other than he will be hungry and that would be an energetic R of 32 for sure!

But, regardless of who Andy plays, I can't see him bowing out in two rounds or less. His game has picked up so much since AO IMO. :yeah:

Amen to that ;)

Turkeyballs Paco
03-22-2005, 05:24 PM
my thoughts on this
Verdasco-he's bludy good, i really hope he wins, but i can't see it happening
Nadal- that i can see happening, he pushed hewitt to the limits on hardcourt, why can't he do the same to roddick
Ljubicic-dunno enough about him to form an opinion
Moya-can't really see moya winning, even though it would be nice, like everyone else i doubt he'll get that far (i really have faith in my faves don't i)
Safin- depends how he's playing
Federer- roddick will lose

yeah, I agree with this. I would be really worried about Rafa. I'd love to see that match.

Pea
03-22-2005, 06:00 PM
i heard the nightlife in miami has declined in recent years so am expecting safin to win this tournament ;)

There are neighboring cities.;) Miami 4 life!:cool:

blosson
03-22-2005, 07:04 PM
Andy knows the night life in Miami and will make sure his 'friends' keep the other players busy.

Carito_90
03-22-2005, 08:59 PM
This thread is funny... I mean this guy made this thread about one of his probably least liked players draws and this is when I begin to wonder why. For example I don't like, no, I don't mind Federer therefore I'm not checking every single player he could possibly play in Miami. I just ignore that. Yet people who don't like Roddick seem to LOVE knowing everything about him and just pick the bad stuff and make a thread about it.
Sorry, I forgot he's Andy Roddick.

Anyway, the draw is tough, but I try to see the bright side of it, if he wins (or gets to the final) he will do it by beating very tough and good players and if he loses then he will lose to any of these very tough and good players and will probably be a fair loss. But if Andy plays the way he did in IW he can definitely take Verdasco (okay come on as if HE was THAT consistent... he played really well in IW, who knows what he can come up with now), Nadal (I love him but unless he plays some really good tennis and Andy doesn't, he can't beat him), Ljubicic (he's the one that scares me the most honestly), Moya (No, seriously :rolleyes: ) and Marat (OAF, period.)
And Roger... um no, don't really think he can beat him but I still can't wait to see this match, specially if Andy's playing well :)

Asmus
03-22-2005, 09:20 PM
This thread is funny... I mean this guy made this thread about one of his probably least liked players draws and this is when I begin to wonder why. For example I don't like, no, I don't mind Federer therefore I'm not checking every single player he could possibly play in Miami. I just ignore that. Yet people who don't like Roddick seem to LOVE knowing everything about him and just pick the bad stuff and make a thread about it.
Sorry, I forgot he's Andy Roddick.


I simply looked at the draw and noticed that it couldn't have been made better by someone who was hoping he would lose and thought it was kind of funny because Roddick rubs me the wrong way. Once simple glance at his draw is enough to notice that there are a lot of tough players there.

tangerine_dream
03-22-2005, 09:25 PM
:haha: Caro, you rule. He just proved your point all too well. *good reps Caro*

I simply looked at the draw and noticed that it couldn't have been made better by someone who was hoping he would lose and thought it was kind of funny because Roddick rubs me the wrong way. Once simple glance at his draw is enough to notice that there are a lot of tough players there.

Carito_90
03-24-2005, 07:52 PM
I simply looked at the draw and noticed that it couldn't have been made better by someone who was hoping he would lose and thought it was kind of funny because Roddick rubs me the wrong way. Once simple glance at his draw is enough to notice that there are a lot of tough players there.

Wow, and I didn't even have to pay you. Thanks buddy ;)

:kiss: Tangy

PaulieM
03-24-2005, 08:04 PM
andy has a good shot at making the final, but if he and roger both make the final andy's going down(i hope) !!

Paialii
03-24-2005, 08:51 PM
Personally, I like Andy's chances of making the finals. While he's been pushed by all of those players before, I think his past encounters will see him through. I'd love to see a Federer/Roddick final.

Should both Rogi and Andy make it to the finals, I think Andy will press Roger to three sets, but unless Andy's playing some "in the zone" tennis like he sometimes can bring out and is able to atleast press Federer, I think Roger will come out on top.

It's not as if rooting for Andy will do any good here. If he wins the tournament without playing Federer, the reason everyone will give here on this board will be "well he didn't have to play Federer!" If he goes to the finals and miraculously shows Federer up and wins over him, the reason here will be "Well Federer was playing like sh*t!".

I'm one of the people that believes Federer will not always /ALWAYS/ dominate Roddick, yet I respect him and realize that Federer is, or has been showing thusfar, that he's the better player of the two. Who knows. Andy lost the first four ATP meetings to Federer and then won the fifth. He's lost the last four ATP meetings, this would be the fifth if they meet. Will history repeat itself? :p ;)

In any case, good luck to Rogi and Andy :)

NATAS81
03-24-2005, 09:32 PM
Should both Rogi and Andy make it to the finals, I think Andy will press Roger to three sets

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Men's TMS finals BO5?

Paialii
03-25-2005, 01:18 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Men's TMS finals BO5?

That's right, this is men's tennis, my mistake.

In that case, I think Andy will press Fed to atleast four sets, but I'd drool if there was a five-setter between the two.