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Masters Titles?

ktwtennis
03-21-2005, 05:42 PM
How many does Federer have now? Doesn't Agassi have 13 or 14? When (not if) will he surpass this?

adeegee
03-21-2005, 05:45 PM
5, not including his 2 end of season masters cup wins

he's won hamburg twice, indian wells twice and toronto once

RonE
03-21-2005, 05:47 PM
Yes 5 for Roger now. Agassi has 17.

joeb_uk
03-21-2005, 05:48 PM
is 17 including any masters cups?

jtipson
03-21-2005, 05:54 PM
Safin also has 5.

Rex
03-21-2005, 06:38 PM
federer appreciation threads again eh?

RonE
03-21-2005, 06:45 PM
is 17 including any masters cups?

No 17 AMS and 1 TMC

uNIVERSE mAN
03-21-2005, 07:41 PM
How exactly does Agassi have 17? The Master Series was only invented a few years ago.

Saumon
03-21-2005, 07:45 PM
they were called "super 9" before or something like that
well marat still calls tms like that :tape:

smucav
03-22-2005, 05:08 AM
How exactly does Agassi have 17? The Master Series was only invented a few years ago.Agassi has 17 since 1990. He also has the most different titles (7 out of 9). Here are the players who have won the most different AMS titles (according to ATP Media Guide):

Player--Total--Different Titles
Andre Agassi--17--7
Pete Sampras--11--5
Marcelo Rios--5--5
Michael Chang--7--4
Gustavo Kuerten--5--4
Marat Safin--5--3
Roger Federer--5--3 (updated through 2005 Indian Wells)
Andy Roddick--3--3
Carlos Moya--3--3
Thomas Enqvist--3--3

Bilbo
03-22-2005, 11:16 AM
Agassi is king

jtipson
03-22-2005, 11:33 AM
Ferrero should be in that list too, 4 from 3 different events.

Boris Franz Ecker
03-22-2005, 01:30 PM
Muster 8 -- 4 (Essen, Key Biscayne, Rome, Monte Carlo)
Becker 5 -- 3 (Stockholm, Stuttgart, Paris)
Edberg 4 -- 4 (Cincinatti, Indian Wells, Hamburg, Paris)

jtipson
03-22-2005, 01:33 PM
How many did Ivan Lendl get, anyone know? I really hate it how the ATP stats ignore anything from before "their" tour started.

RonE
03-22-2005, 01:45 PM
How many did Ivan Lendl get, anyone know? I really hate it how the ATP stats ignore anything from before "their" tour started.

Lendl won all of his before 1990- that was the year the ATP Tour was inaugurated. Before 1990 there were in effect no Master Series or Super 9's- they were called Grand Prix events back then and I think there were more than 9.

jtipson
03-22-2005, 03:24 PM
Thanks Ron. I suppose it would be quite a lot of hassle to trawl back through the ITF db and work out who won the equivalent events, I do remember a few of them (even went to one), but it's a long time ago now ;)

Jenrios
03-22-2005, 08:14 PM
Lendl won titles in Miami, Momte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg and Stuggart that I know of. He also won 5 Masters Cups.

I prefer it when players win different Masters series - not the same title again and again. Agassi's collection is the most impressive, and of course I'd rate Rios winning 5 of the 9.

Roger-No.1
03-23-2005, 12:47 AM
Agassi has won 6 Miamis, right?

Daniel
03-23-2005, 12:52 AM
I think Agassi has 5 Miamis, not sure .

smucav
03-23-2005, 12:55 AM
Agassi has won 6 Miamis, right?Indian Wells: 1 (2001) & 2 finals
Miami: 6 (1990, 1995, 1996, 2001, 2002, 2003) & 2 finals
Rome: 1 (2002)
Canada: 3 (1992, 1994, 1995)
Cincinnati: 3 (1995, 1996, 2004)
Madrid: 1 (2002)
Paris: 2 (1994 & 1999)

Missing:
Monte Carlo (he's only played 4 times, not since 1998)
Hamburg (he's only played 4 times, not since 2001)

MisterQ
03-23-2005, 01:12 AM
Indian Wells: 1 (2001) & 2 finals
Miami: 6 (1990, 1995, 1996, 2001, 2002, 2003) & 2 finals
Rome: 1 (2002)
Canada: 3 (1992, 1994, 1995)
Cincinnati: 3 (1995, 1996, 2004)
Madrid: 1 (2002)
Paris: 2 (1994 & 1999)

Missing:
Monte Carlo (he's only played 4 times, not since 1998)
Hamburg (he's only played 4 times, not since 2001)

Thanks for that info. :)

He also made the final of Rome in 1989 and lost after having a match point! (but I don't know if it was considered a TMS at that point...)

Darkheart
03-23-2005, 01:28 AM
Shameless plug :angel: for my thread here:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=21145

Corey Feldman
03-23-2005, 01:29 AM
Agassi has 17 since 1990. He also has the most different titles (7 out of 9). Here are the players who have won the most different AMS titles (according to ATP Media Guide):

Player--Total--Different Titles
Andre Agassi--17--7
Pete Sampras--11--5
Marcelo Rios--5--5
Michael Chang--7--4
Gustavo Kuerten--5--4
Marat Safin--5--3
Roger Federer--5--3 (updated through 2005 Indian Wells)
Andy Roddick--3--3
Carlos Moya--3--3
Thomas Enqvist--3--3

Andrei Medvedev (remember him :o )
--4-- (monte carlo 94, hamburg 94,95,97)

smucav
03-23-2005, 01:46 AM
Andrei Medvedev (remember him :o )
--4-- (monte carlo 94, hamburg 94,95,97)That was a list of who has won the most different titles (not the most titles); there are others (Muster, Becker, Courier, Edberg, Medvedev) who have won more than 3, but they all came at only one or two different events.

Thanks for that info. :)
He also made the final of Rome in 1989 and lost after having a match point! (but I don't know if it was considered a TMS at that point...)Tennis Masters Series (now being referred to as ATP Masters Series) started in 1990 with the organization of the ATP.

Corey Feldman
03-23-2005, 01:52 AM
Oh i see..
id like to see that list 'all time most TMS/super nine titles' .. would be interesting!

smucav
03-23-2005, 02:05 AM
Another AMS fact about Agassi: He's the only player to win all four North American AMS titles. Andy Roddick is the only current player who has three out of the four.

Rios & Kuerten are the only players to win all three clay AMS titles. Three active players (Ferrero, Moya, & Coria) have two out of the three.

Corey Feldman
03-23-2005, 02:09 AM
Michael Chang won Toronto 1990..... Miami 1992.....Indian Wells 1992,1996,1997 and Cincinnati 1993,1994.

uNIVERSE mAN
03-23-2005, 03:43 AM
No one ever talks about it, but if someone ever won all of them, where would that put them in the scheme of things? In terms of greatness.

Action Jackson
03-23-2005, 04:07 AM
Rios & Kuerten are the only players to win all three clay AMS titles. Three active players (Ferrero, Moya, & Coria) have two out of the three.

Lendl won Hamburg, Rome and Monte Carlo.

Action Jackson
03-23-2005, 04:14 AM
These are the ones Lendl won.

Toronto
Stuttgart ( now in Madrid)
Montreal
Cincinnati, Ohio
Montreal
Monte Carlo
Boca West, Florida ( Now Miami)
Rome
Hamburg
Montreal
Monte Carlo
Rome
Toronto
Key Biscayne, Florida
Hamburg
Montreal

smucav
03-23-2005, 04:50 AM
We were discussing only 1990 or later -- after they were designated ATP Tennis Master Series tournaments. Page 370 of the ATP media guide lists the 47 players who have won ATP Master Series tournaments since 1990 & the players who have won the most different titles. Agassi has the most overall (17) & also the most different titles (7).

Action Jackson
03-23-2005, 04:53 AM
It's just a marketing tool and those tournaments were the big ones outside of the Slams as they are now.

Action Jackson
03-23-2005, 05:01 AM
Those were the titles that Lendl won that are now deemed Masters Series events, just because the ATP decides to name it these in 1990, doesn't mean these results don't count.