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Hewitt: I can't beat Fed. Time for a real No. 2 player

Tennis Fool
03-21-2005, 05:11 AM
From the AP news article on his IW finals defeat:

Hewitt said both his big toes began hurting the previous night, when he beat Andy Roddick in a grueling semifinal that went three sets and three tiebreakers. Guess he caught Agassi's disease :rolleyes:

``I probably wouldn't have won anyway,'' Hewitt said of the final. ``But I wasn't moving 100 percent.''

:rolleyes:

Great. Marat please keep OAF away and get into a finals with Fed. You're the only hope so far!

CassL
03-21-2005, 05:19 AM
so I guess that's his excuse. I don't know what's wrong with Hewitt, but his heart was nowhere to be found today. He looked lackluster throughout the match, so okay, maybe it was his toes, but mostly it was mental. During the offseason, all he talked about was beating Fed and how he can do it and such. Now, when he actually meets Fed, he doesn't believe in himself.

World Beater
03-21-2005, 05:19 AM
yeah...pretty defeatist from hewitt. He knew he was gonna lose...esp saying that he has nothing to lose against roger before the match...of course he has something to lose.

There isnt anyone else who deserves to be #2. Certainly not Marat. Marat may be unbeatable on his day, but when that day doesnt come too often, it doesnt say too much, does it?

bad gambler
03-21-2005, 05:21 AM
i love his brutal honesty, it should be applauded :D

Sjengster
03-21-2005, 05:30 AM
Now that's what I call going toe-to-toe...

Does it have to be another Top 4 player? Nalbandian, where are you?

tangerine_dream
03-21-2005, 05:34 AM
Did anyone else notice that Lleyton's "C'moooon!"s were few and far between during his SF and F matches? And no lawnmower rip either, although we did get the vicht.

I think after all the public criticism about his behavior at AO he decided to tone it down a bit.

I kind of like the lawnmower rip though. :)

World Beater
03-21-2005, 05:35 AM
yes i love the lawnmower rip. esp when he does it against andy. It def spices the match up, against another already intense guy.

Pea
03-21-2005, 05:42 AM
I guess Cliff was wrong.;)

bad gambler
03-21-2005, 05:44 AM
I kind of like the lawnmower rip though. :)


you can't have it both ways :p

NATAS81
03-21-2005, 05:46 AM
Well he certainly received the most blown calls in that match so he got the help he needed despite this toe problem.

Auscon
03-21-2005, 06:36 AM
we've got a real number 2 player.....you've just gotta understand that we've got one hell of a number 1

oneandonlyhsn
03-21-2005, 08:02 AM
we've got a real number 2 player.....you've just gotta understand that we've got one hell of a number 1

Very well said, for a while I never really cared much about Hewitt. I think his mainly defensive type of play put me off. However seeing him play more and more, I really admire the determination, and heart. You cant just take that away from him. He doesnt have the big weapons like Fed, Safin or Roddick. He is for certain the male version of Demntieva with a better serve. As for Roddick, he is Hewitt and Feds biatch, and he always plays consistently. He needs to change a lot of things in his game if he is going to break back into the top 2. Safin he is a great player a lot of potential, but he needs to be more consistent and have more heart and determintaion. As for Roger, even on a day when he is off you still see that subtle look of 'I want to win' and plus all of his other talents make him an amazing #1 player.

drf716
03-21-2005, 08:31 AM
hewitt s*ck#, get me outback jack!
just kiddin' .although it is really not nice to see thee world no.2 far from the world no1 and no4.

star
03-21-2005, 10:34 AM
So that was his problem. People sitting courtside today were mentioning that Hewitt just didn't seem as sharp as he did against Roddick.

Anyawy, Federer was just toying with Hewitt today. I had the feeling he didn't want to beat him 2, 2, 2 because he wanted the fans to have more of a show.

Best thing about seeing Federer play this weeks were my silly seatmates who were making crazy bets on how many games his oponents would win. :lol:

*karen*
03-21-2005, 10:44 AM
Marat's the only player good enough to compete with Fed.

Rogiman
03-21-2005, 11:05 AM
Until someone else wins enough matches in big tournaments like Hewitt does his #2 ranking is out of question :shrug:

blosson
03-21-2005, 11:57 AM
There is a handful of potential # 2 players but none have the edge to take on Roger consistently.

It will take a while until they can get closer to Roger's standards.

WyveN
03-21-2005, 12:16 PM
It will take a while until they can get closer to Roger's standards.

or more likely they have to wait until Rogers level drops for whatever reason.

blosson
03-21-2005, 12:48 PM
or more likely they have to wait until Rogers level drops for whatever reason.

Sad but true.

~EMiLiTA~
03-21-2005, 12:58 PM
or more likely they have to wait until Rogers level drops for whatever reason.

yep I agree...don't think it's possible for the others to reach such a high level in the near future.

and as we've already said here...I also think Marat is the only player who really has the capacity to beat Rogi at the moment. I'm not just saying that cos of Aus Open...I said it at the end of last year too...but his problem is that he's so damn erratic that you can never rely on him. He has sparks of brilliance amidst long unknown periods *sigh*
so i think at the moment it's gonna be Rogi, Rogi and Rogi...

liptea
03-21-2005, 01:01 PM
Now that's what I call going toe-to-toe...

Does it have to be another Top 4 player? Nalbandian, where are you?

I agree. And...maybe Carlos! Remember that moment of glory! He won a set!

Seriously, Nalbandian is my bet.

Puschkin
03-21-2005, 01:28 PM
It will take a while until they can get closer to Roger's standards.


I have not seen any of the IW matches, so I really do not understand what happened there.

You have this talented player Kiefer, he looked very hot in previous matches, he starts with a service break to love and an hour later 5 games is all he can scrap together. Next Canas, one of the toughest fighters on the tour, 4 games. Hewitt, THE strongest mind (so they say), 10 games.

I wonder how much of this is tennis and how much is psychology. And don't get me wrong, I don't believe in invincibility ;) .

Action Jackson
03-21-2005, 01:29 PM
I wonder how much of this is tennis and how much is psychology. And don't get me wrong, I don't believe in invincibility ;) .

Yet you are one of the ones who go on apologising and making excuses when he loses. :)

gsm
03-21-2005, 01:31 PM
i heard this on the adelaide evening news;

"lleyton is taking time off to have surgery on feet"

time will tell if this is true...

Billabong
03-21-2005, 01:32 PM
I agree with Auscon:yeah:!

Puschkin
03-21-2005, 01:35 PM
Yet you are one of the ones who go on apologising and making excuses when he loses.


Ah,the Roger/Marat match again ;) ! I did not make excuses, I said that Roger lost this match before Marat won it (deservedly) by his shot selection on match point.

What other losses have we been talking about? ;) GWH, you asked for it :wavey:

Action Jackson
03-21-2005, 01:38 PM
Ah,the Roger/Marat match again ;) ! I did not make excuses, I said that Roger lost this match before Marat won it (deservedly) by his shot selection on match point.

What other losses have we been talking about? ;) GWH, you asked for it :wavey:

There'd have been others, it just your account wasn't active when the time Federer was losing more often. I bet you could find excuses for Mantilla beating him in Rome 03 and Costa for beating him in 04.

Not from yourself, but when people start blaming centre court and his choice of shoes when he lost to Guga, then it's too much.

Puschkin
03-21-2005, 01:45 PM
There'd have been others, it just your account wasn't active when the time Federer was losing more often. I bet you could find excuses for Mantilla beating him in Rome 03 and Costa for beating him in 04.


I have not seen any of these with my own eyes. The last defeat I saw was against Berdych and he played (below) average, but had an opponent who was not intimitated (that was exactly my point about Kiefer, Canas and Hewitt in IW) and used this to his full advantage.

~EMiLiTA~
03-21-2005, 02:18 PM
i heard this on the adelaide evening news;

"lleyton is taking time off to have surgery on feet"

time will tell if this is true...

:eek: serious??

Winston's Human
03-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Now that's what I call going toe-to-toe...

Does it have to be another Top 4 player? Nalbandian, where are you?

There was a time when I thought Nalbandian would be the most likely Federer challenger, but he cannot seem to win the significant matches necessary to be in position to challenge Federer.

Puschkin
03-21-2005, 03:31 PM
There was a time when I thought Nalbandian would be the most likely Federer challenger, but he cannot seem to win the significant matches necessary to be in position to challenge Federer.


Tenniswise he still is, but I have not seen him lately, so I don't know why is not up to the task.

Joachim Johansson will also be achallenge, sooner or later ;)

Experimentee
03-21-2005, 03:40 PM
I dont think he is saying he cant beat Fed, he's just trying to make it sound like the foot thing isnt an excuse. He's saying that Federer was playing that well on the day anyway and even if he'd been 100% he would have still lost.

AlexNYR
03-21-2005, 03:52 PM
only marat (once in a while) and boredom can beat federer and i know boredom needs work on the serve lol

foul_dwimmerlaik
03-21-2005, 03:52 PM
I wonder how much of this is tennis and how much is psychology. And don't get me wrong, I don't believe in invincibility ;) .I didn't see Fed play since Dubai, but I think that a good deal of it is indeed psychological. Fed nowadays wins half the match even before he takes the court. I remember thinking during Doha tournament that his opponents were playing to lose, they were so intimidated. They couldn't take bps. They couldn't pass him, they couldn't anything. The only ones who refused to cave were Marat and that Suzuki guy. Possibly Ljubicic also, but I didn't see any of his matches against Fed since Doha, and that one was a stinker.

euroka1
03-21-2005, 03:55 PM
Yes, I agree. I don't think Roddick would have done much better. Federer is in a class on his own these days.

Art&Soul
03-21-2005, 03:58 PM
The only ones who refused to cave were Marat and that Suzuki guy. Possibly Ljubicic also, but I didn't see any of his matches against Fed since Doha, and that one was a stinker.
Why forget Canas? :) He deserved to be in the first place ;)

Puschkin
03-21-2005, 04:10 PM
I didn't see Fed play since Dubai, but I think that a good deal of it is indeed psychological. Fed nowadays wins half the match even before he takes the court.


It seems so, but the opponents are pros, they should do something, no? Don't get me wrong: I adore Roger's tennis (as I do Russian literature, hence the username ;)) and I can't imagine ever being bored watching his technique. I just put myself into the position of the rest of the pack and I really wonder why they seem rather helpless at the moment.

smucav
03-21-2005, 04:14 PM
i heard this on the adelaide evening news;

"lleyton is taking time off to have surgery on feet"

time will tell if this is true...Tennisreporters.net also says that Hewitt is "questionable" for Miami due to "injured toes."

Billabong
03-21-2005, 04:30 PM
I hope Lleyton will be okay for Miami!!! I hope the injury is not serious:(! Get well soon Lley:hug:!

Billy Moonshine
03-21-2005, 04:53 PM
Mens tennis truly sucks at the moment. Where is the competition? Injured, Oafing or mentally spent. Go federer, clean up, it looks like all the other guys have given up already.
But I believe that someone is going to find it in themselves to topple Roger.
Nalbandian. He is having a hard time at the moment but he matches roger physically, has the game to beat him and is just waiting to fulfil that potential. He just needs to be fitter and sharpen that serve. Give it a few more years maybe of roger being the king, and then watch David´s challenge.
We can only hope really, otherwise it´s going to be mighty boring!

euroka1
03-21-2005, 04:59 PM
I hope Lleyton will be okay for Miami!!! I hope the injury is not serious:

Yes, I hope so, too. It was my impression that his serve was below his usual standard for most of last week. Maybe in the past, I've just remembered the good ones.

Black Adam
03-21-2005, 05:39 PM
Marat definitely is the one if he can become more consistent ;)

foul_dwimmerlaik
03-21-2005, 05:45 PM
It seems so, but the opponents are pros, they should do something, no? That's what's so frustrating about the whole situation: it's like, whenever they play Roger, they forget their balls in the locker room. "Oh my, oh my, I'm 40-15 on FEDERER'S serve! I'm about to break FEDERER! What do I do now? Oh no, this cannot be happening!" - and they allow Roger to hold and get broken afterwards. Even Hewitt seem to be perpetually spooked of him nowadays. Roger is a great player, outstanding player, but he's not that much better then the rest of'em. He's not Jesus, regardless of what his cronies say. But with every straight-set demolition, that mental block strenghtens.

adeegee
03-21-2005, 05:57 PM
In my opinion.....

Hewitt - Simply a terrible match up against Roger. Getting a lot of balls back in works against virtually every player on the tour, but Roger is just too accurate that even Hewitt can't chase the balls down.

Safin - One of the few capable of challenging if only he sorted out his head.

Roddick - I can definitely see him challenging in the future, his backhand could still do with a bit of improvement and once he is intelligent enough to change his racquet which would enable him to volley 100 times better he'll be a threat.

Nalbandian - His serve isn't good enough at the moment to beat Roger, I still think his best surface should be clay but his results don't really suggest this.

Coria - Similar to Hewitt, and highly unlikely to beat Roger on hard or grass. But more than capable of winning on clay.

Ljubicic - I know he's taken Federer close recently but he's lost every time, and could challenge in the future but I feel he could do with improvements in the forehand, volleying and movement areas.

Ferrero - I actually think his game matches up quite well against Federers. Solid off both wings and if he can get back to some form he'll be dangerous.

On clay, people like Nadal and Gaudio can trouble Roger. On hard or grass its tough to see who can beat Roger. I keep thinking back to the Wimbledon Final 04, the last time I saw Roger looking really worried when Roddick was unleashing off everything. Obviously its very tough to keep up over the whole period of a match, but maybe it'll take someone like Gonzalez to just hammer the ball every chance he gets, and not get into rally's with Federer. There's no point sitting back and rallying with Roger as he will always come out on top, as Hewitt has shown.

Apologies for the long post :rolleyes: I'm just getting concerned about Federer's dominance at the moment, it's getting to the Serena Williams dominance on the WTA Tour when she was in her prime a couple of years back

BelgianWaffle
03-21-2005, 06:14 PM
Marat definitely is the one if he can become more consistent ;)

Neeeeeeeeever gonna happen :p
I'd like to see more Marat-Fed matches to see if he could really challenge him but that won't happen if Marat keeps loosing in the early rounds :rolleyes: :o

WyveN
03-21-2005, 10:19 PM
Apologies for the long post :rolleyes: I'm just getting concerned about Federer's dominance at the moment, it's getting to the Serena Williams dominance on the WTA Tour when she was in her prime a couple of years back

Serena was more dominant then Roger and was a example of how fast things can change.
Roger is still slamless in 2005 and until he can change that its to early to talk about domination.

RogiFan88
03-21-2005, 10:52 PM
There'd have been others, it just your account wasn't active when the time Federer was losing more often. I bet you could find excuses for Mantilla beating him in Rome 03 and Costa for beating him in 04.

Not from yourself, but when people start blaming centre court and his choice of shoes when he lost to Guga, then it's too much.

Yes, it IS too much :p

When Rogi lost to Mantilla and Costa, he was just not playing well... mentally, he was crap in that ROMA final [throughout the whole tourney actually]. Costa's too smart for Rogi on clay, just like Corretja.

When Rogi lost to just about everyone a few yrs ago, he was just immature, mentally crappy, like a lot of guys on the tour right now. ;)

Golfnduck
03-21-2005, 10:57 PM
I agree. And...maybe Carlos! Remember that moment of glory! He won a set!

Seriously, Nalbandian is my bet.
Nalbandian is not consistent enough to hold the #2 spot, but he can beat Roger.

NATAS81
03-21-2005, 11:07 PM
You know the tour has it's dominating presence when people have to break down the rest of the field against one individual.

erik-the-red
03-21-2005, 11:16 PM
Hewitt can beat Roddick because Hewitt's game has more variety than Roddick's, he moves better, and he has a bigger heart.

The only true threat to Federer when Federer is playing 80-90% is Safin. Safin's got the huge guns and the footwork to back them up. Nobody can beat Federer when he's playing 100 or even 120% (e.g. 2003 Masters Cup Final, 2004 U.S. Open Final).

Unfortunately, Safin oafs a wee bit too many matches. Can't blame him, though.

Fedex
03-22-2005, 02:25 AM
Marat's the only player good enough to compete with Fed.
First Safin will have to get more consistant, and not go through the mental lapses that he tends to go through, and then we could have a potential rivalry here.

Fedex
03-22-2005, 02:27 AM
Serena was more dominant then Roger and was a example of how fast things can change.
Roger is still slamless in 2005 and until he can change that its to early to talk about domination.
I agree.

MariaV
03-22-2005, 09:21 AM
I adore Roger's tennis (as I do Russian literature, hence the username ;)) and I can't imagine ever being bored watching his technique.

Me too!
:worship: :worship: :worship:
I can understand ppl getting bored by him winning all the time but to be honest, I'd like him to break some more incredibe records, so just for this sake I hope he'll keep on winning for a while more until he himself gets bored.

MariaV
03-22-2005, 09:24 AM
First Safin will have to get more consistant, and not go through the mental lapses that he tends to go through, and then we could have a potential rivalry here.

I doubt that Marat's head can be changed that much tbh.